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On Fri, 19 Mar 1993, Tom Tanida wrote:
> Wasn't there a Don Rosa story featuring the Ducks' return (including
> Scrooge) to Plain Awful (the land of the square shaped people)? I seem
> to remember one. If so, I was wondering if I could get the comic title
> (Uncle Scrooge or Uncle Scrooge Adventures, I'm guessing), and number.

Check the Gladstone Index. I believe this story was done before Rosa had
the disagreement with Disney about artwork. Was this a two-parter?

Correct me if I am mistaken, but wasn't Uncle Scrooge Adventures chiefly
Barks and single stories, and Uncle Scrooge mostly shorter stories?

> Also, is there a "complete list of Don Rosa stories", like the
> list of Carl Barks stories?

Check the Gladstone Index, and whatever exists for the current Disney titles.

Torsten torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE

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Disney & Gladstone: latest info: shipping program

Shipping Publisher Series Remarks
month

April Disney Dinosaurs#2 -newsstand edition 48 pp. $2.95
Disney Adventures#32 128 pp. $1.95
Donald Duck Adventures#38 32 pp. $1.50
Uncle Scrooge#280 32 pp. $1.50 (Rosa cover?)
WD Comics & Stories#585 48 pp. $1.50 (48pp at the
same price?)

May Disney Disney Adventures#33 128 pp. $1.95

May Gladstone (All Gladstone's series will be bi-monthly)
Donald Duck Adventures#21 32 pp. $1.50 (Rosa cover?)
WD Comics & Stories#586 32 pp. $1.50
Uncle Scrooge#281 32 pp. $1.50 (Rosa cover?)

June Gladstone Donald Duck#280
Donald & Mickey#1
Uncle Scrooge Adventures#22

(no info about Disney in June)

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If donald is Huey,Dewey and Louie's uncle then who is their father???

Torsten Adair wrote:

>On Wed, 24 Mar 1993, Fredrik Ekman wrote:
>> >If donald is Huey,Dewey and Louie's uncle then who is their father???
>> Actually, DD is _not_ HD&L's father's brother, but rather their sister's
>> brother. It is, however, a bit more complicated than that...
> You mean "their mother's brother", right? And what about Webby?

Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. Isn't Webby the daughter of the fat lady
that keeps $crooge's house (whatever her name). I don't think she's related
to the rest of the ducks.

Torsten again:

>What about Grandma Duck and Uncle Scrooge?

Grandma Duck was introduced by Al Taliaferro and he introduced her as
_Donald's_ grandmother. Later, however, Carl Barks revitalized the old
lady, and I have seen several comics where she is referred to as $crooge's
sister. If this is the case, we can assume that she is Hewey, Dewey and
Louie's grandmother and in that case she must be Donald's mother (unless
we accept the theory of Donald's cousin Della).

Harry Fluks wrote:

>There must be other 'origin' stories of the Duck family...

I have read at least two. One American that was published in Sweden in the
late 60's (I think). The Swedish title translates to "This is you life,
Donald Duck". The other was published by Gutenberghus for Donald's 50th
birthday and was created by an Italian artist. Do I remember his name? No,
of course not, but he is one of my favourite DD artists. *sigh* In both
these, so far as I remember, Grandma Duck is Donald's stepmother.

Andreas Gammel wrote:

>Apparently Dagobert never married, and Donald has a few cousins

No, Donald does not have a few cousins. Donald has _lots_ of cousins! And
so does $crooge and HLD. It seems that as soon as one of the Disney comic
creators needed a relative for some purpose, he invented one, rather than
trying to find some older that would fill his purpose. For this reason it
will never be possible to create a complete (or even nearly complete)
family tree for the Duck family.

Rich wrote:

>On the tree is listed Donald, Huey, Dewey, Louie, Gyro, Gus, Scrooge, Grandma,

This is the first time I have seen Gyro mentioned as a relative to any of
the other characters. What is his relation? Are there any other references
to him as a relative? I don't think Barks intended him as a relative.

One other thing: Luigi, if I ever meet you in real life, I will strangle you
slowly! That is, unless you tell us all about Mickey's wedding _at_once_! ;)

/Fredrik Ekman

Well, it looks like this thread has stimulated some discussion. First, a
reply to Aerid's inquirey about "Why cousins and uncle's and such?"
I don't know if this is true or not, but it seems as if there has been a
traditional unspoken rule that says no Disney character can have sex. What
I mean is that until the recent Disney Afternoon series we almost never
saw a Disney "furry" with an direct off-spring. In cartoons the same was
basically true except for Pluto, who with Minnie's pooch, Fifi the Peke,
had a litter of mini-plutos and one, named Pluto Junior, even appeared
again (Pluto's Quintuplets, 1937 and Pluto, Junior, 1942). As for Goofy
he appeared in several cartoons with a little redhead/red-nosed son named
Georgie or Goofy, Jr. Otherwise it has been the status quo not to have
directly related children. Goofy, in comics, does also have a recurring
highly intelligent nephew named Gilbert (who always wears a graduation cap).

As for my contributions to the Duck family:

FAMILY TREE: The only comic I could find with a picture of the Duck Family
Tree was in UNCLE DONALD AND HIS NEPHEWS: FAMILY FUN #38 (Dell, 1960)
On the tree is listed Donald, Huey, Dewey, Louie, Gyro, Gus, Scrooge, Grandma,
Gladstone, Daisy, April, May, June, and three I am not familiar with:
Blackduck (pirate), Z-Gun Duck, Ebenezer Duck, and one brach of the tree has
a "?". The story involves a family reunion which takes everyone in Grandma's
house back in time (Blackduck, Z-Gun & Ebenezer are not present) due to a
tornado. Three Beagle Boys are transported too since they were breaking in at
the same time. While in the past they pick up a giant prehistoric egg. Gyro
rigs a device that returns them to the present. The egg had hatched and out
came a fully grown caveduck they named "Simon". Uncle Scrooge suggests that
Simon is the "?" on the Family Tree. That made absolutely no sense, but
apparently it was an accepted theory. Simon stayed on at Grandma's farm.

GRANDPA DUCK: A real wack-o that dresses like Davey Crocket, carries a musket
rifle and slaughters domestic cows for sport. Definitely not a desirable
relative. He only appeared once in the DD cartoon "No Hunting" in 1955.

COUSIN FRED: I know I have a comic with him in it, but I couldn't find it.
Maybe someone can help me out here, but he's apparently an artis and he looks
alot like Herb Muddlefoot from DARKWING DUCK (same proportions).

NEWTON: Gyro's nephew who appears in the comic WDC&S Vol.26 #9 in the story
"The Trouble With Thudder." Newton looks a lot like Gyro but about the age
of HD&L.

DIM-WITTY DUCK: I'm not familiar with exactly how he is related, but he is
supposedly a recurring character. I have only one story with him in UNCLE
SCROOGE #75 (Gold Key June, 1968) where he caused havok for Daisy in "The
Fix-It Fiasco."

MOBY DUCK: A wacky ship captain for whom Donald worked (later replaced by
Dim-Witty) as First Mate. He first appeared in DD #112 (Gold Key March,
1967) and eventually earned his own title for a short while. I'm not sure
how he was related, but it was said in one source that they were.

CLARA CLUCK: This one is my speculation. I have at least one story where
she appears at a family reunion for Daisy's birthday. Gyro, Donald, U$,
Gladstone, AM&J, Grandma, and HD&L are all there, so either Clara was the
only "friend" invited, or like Gyro, she's among the "chicken" relatives of
the "ducks." This story appears in DD #278 (Gladstone March, 1990), but
originally appeared in a Netherland Oberon B.V. story by Jan Kruse and Don
Rosa).

ADENDUM:

In the spirit of "relatives" I thought I'd list two of the more obscure ref-
ernces that I have for other Duck's character relatives.

BEAGLE BRATS: The junior members of the Beagle Boy clan. These bullies
attack HD&L, but eventually end up getting spankings from the sexior Beagles.
ooopps that's "senior" not "sexior" (typo...no edit capability). ;-)
UNCLE DONALD AND HIS NEPHEWS #38 (Dell, 1960).

MINIMA DE SPELL: Magica's niece that appears in the firm paperback called
"Disney's Ducktales." It was not a regular comic and I suspect it is really
just reprinted stories from the digest magazine "DISNEY ADVENTURES." The
story was called "Dime After Dime" and revolved around another attempt of
Magica to steal U$'s Lucky Dime. Webby befriend's Minima who starts out
as a rotten brat, but learns to be nicer.

PHANTOM BRAT: The "daughter" of the Phantom Blot who appeared in MICKEY MOUSE
ADVENTURES #8 (January, 1991). I beleive she appeared again later, but she
did actually have influence on stories prior to her appearance.

NOTES:

I forgot to list NEWTON's appearance was from a Dell comic (June, 1966) and
MINIMA's was a Disney special edition of Cartoon Tales, 1991.

I have some books about Donald and Disney in general and I found a reference
to the same thing Jamal mentioned. At some point in the past Carl Barks had
tried to tie up the missing links in the Duck Family for which he linked
the Ducks & the Geese via Thelma Duck and Goostave Gander, and other
references included Gus Goose's relatives his Aunt Daphne and Uncle Luke
Goose, His Aunt Fanny who dispatched him to Donald's house the day he raided
DD's refrigerator, and his father Quackmore (Daphne's brother). Apparently,
there exists an entire "complete(?)" Duck Family Tree somewhere. Has anyone
ever heard of a Bark's Duck Family Tree?

-Rich

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Hi,

Harry said:

> I have another question for you, Luigi:
>
> I have the impression that all Italian comics are numbered in the series
> "Albi d'Oro" (Golden Books). Something like in the USA the Four Color Comics;
> they have their own title, but subsequent numbering.
> Is this true? Or maybe, almost true (some specials excluded)? Or far from
> true (different series with their own numbering)?

"Albi d'Oro" was a Mondadori's weekly -comic size- series (a rare format
in Italy at that time); it started in early '50 throungh late '60.
Each issue, in b/w and color, had 32 pages.
On this series were published, for the first time in Italy, many many
Disney stories by Al Tagliaferro, Carl Barks and Floyd Gottfredson.
This series had its own numbering, absolutely not like "Four Color Comics".
Maybe you said that because in that series were published not only
Disney stories, but Warner too.
So, in a "Albi d'Oro" list of Disney material, there are many "holes"
(in which is published warner material).

-Hey Harry,

What does "Hartelijke groeten" mean?

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> From: jellybea at juts
> It was most appreciated!!! So I hope you won't mind if I cause a stir by
> asking even more questions. That's what this club is for isn't it?

Stir it up. I don't think anyone is going to get upset over a few questions
and some shared information. As long as we don't get into any flame-fests
over it.

> How did Darkwing Duck come about?

The concept for DWD orginated when Disney wanted to do a spin-off series based
on an episode of Ducktales which involved the secret agent named Double-0 Duck
(sort of a James Bond-type). The series was suppose to star 00-Duck and
Launchpad, but somewhere along the way they changed to focus to that of a
superhero type storyline. Darkwing was invented for the series.

> Where did Unca Scrooge get his number 1 dime from?

I have not seen the comic that explains that, but I think it was explained in
a Ducktales episode. I believe it had something to do with being Uncle
$crooge's first (ever) earned wage or found commodity. I was under the
impression that he invested it wisely and it multiplied to the point of his
current Moneybin state. However, that wouldn't make much sense since he still
has it. Hmmmm. Maybe he bought it back? Per or someone probably knows this
answer and where exactly to find it (the comic not the dime ;-).

> Where did Darkwing Duck get his powers from?
> I must confess that I've never read a Darkwing Duck comic, I've only seen
> him on TV.

I believe the Disney Afternoon series gave a couple different scenarios for
that answer. I forget which is accepted as canon. Maybe Stephanie or one of
the other Ranger-Listers can answer that.

> Why does that witch duck (I can't remember her name) want Scrooges dime?

Magica de Spell. She wants it because she believes that it contains great
power (of luck). She thinks it because of the dime that $crooge is so wealthy
but I think he explained to HD&L that it's really because he is wise with
money.

> When did Mickey get married and to whom?

Mickey is secretly married to Minnie, but for the movies he is her perpetual
consort or suitor.

> Is Gyro related to the duck family at all?

Good question. The official answer seems to be "Yes" but "How" is probably
more to the point. While the Ducks (like Donald & U$) and the Gooses (like
Gladstone 'Gander' & Gus Goose) are technically related (species-wise),
Chickens like Gyro are not. I'm stumped.

> Has anyone (except me) heard of Bubba the caveduck and his pet dinosaur
> Tootsie who eats ice blocks?

I have. In fact I was thinking that maybe Bubba Duck is actually conceptually
related to Simon the Caveduck from that FAMILY FUN story I mentioned earier.
I wonder if it's technically true. Though they both originated the same way
(via a time-travel story), and they both stayed in the present (the rest of
their story, however is dramatically different).

> And now to change the subject dramatically. Does anyone want to be my penpal
> and write in the old fashioned way with ink and paper?? Reply if you want
> and I'll give you my address.

Sure:

email to me and I'll send you my address.

Caio