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Fredrick asked:
> Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. Isn't Webby the daughter of the fat lady
> that keeps $crooge's house (whatever her name). I don't think she's related
> to the rest of the ducks.

Actually, as I recall, Webby (a.k.a. Webbigail Vanderquack) is really not
related to Mrs. Beakley. In the 5-part opener of the Ducktales series Edna
Beakley says she is Webby's legal guardian and asks $crooge if she gets hired
as his maid can she raise Webby in the mansion too. To which $crooge said it
would be fine, and even made Webby promise to call him "Unca $crooge". In
time the mansion became over-run with rugrats calling him "Unca" (Huey, Dewey,
Louie, Bubba, and Webby. And if we count the comics, April, May and June as
well. I also recall seing Morty & Ferdie calling poor $crooge "Unca"). Webby
does, however, affectionately call Mrs. Beakley "Grammy".

> >What about Grandma Duck and Uncle Scrooge?
>
> Grandma Duck was introduced by Al Taliaferro and he introduced her as
> _Donald's_ grandmother. Later, however, Carl Barks revitalized the old
> lady, and I have seen several comics where she is referred to as $crooge's
> sister. If this is the case, we can assume that she is Hewey, Dewey and
> Louie's grandmother and in that case she must be Donald's mother (unless
> we accept the theory of Donald's cousin Della).

Oy! Some of that actually might make sense. Since I learned from this list
that Grandma's real name is "Bella", then as sister of "Della" we'd have
rhyming "twins"?? Just to throw a monkey wrench in the works, I've seen a
story once with Unca $crooge and Grandma Duck dating. What's that? Incest?

> Rich wrote:
> >On the tree is listed Donald, Huey, Dewey, Louie, Gyro, Gus, Scrooge, Grand
>
> This is the first time I have seen Gyro mentioned as a relative to any of
> the other characters. What is his relation? Are there any other references
> to him as a relative? I don't think Barks intended him as a relative.

Got me! But you can check the story out for yourself. I dunno what to make
of it. I can't imagine what you get when you cross a Chicken with a Duck. A
"Chuck"? A "Dicken"? Or maybe it was through the Goose lineage. A "Choose"?
A "Gooken"? A "Ganduck?" As I listed in a previous letter, yes, Gyro has a
nephew named "Newton."

Whelp! I've done my damage for one day.

;-)

-Rich

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Subject: Why Cousins, Unca's and such...?

I think, their is a straightforward reason for this phenomena.

By not letting them be directly related, you don't have to bother with 'norm'. You don't have to deal with role-model, because it is a situation that doesnt commonly exist.

If Donald would go around slapping his sons, this could be seen as childabuse.
If he were Scrooge's son, he would have a formal RIGHT to his fortune.

By using these abstractions, you can create a much more fun world, which is a lot easier to accept.

That's the same reason why they are all animals and not humans. It's all a question of how easy will the reader accept it.

Another effect that is commomly used in comics is what I call blank leading roles. E.g. Mickey Mouse. This is a character that is left relatively blank. He doesnt have extravagant features or characteristics. This invokes the psychological effect in the reader to fill in this blank person with his own ideas, and in this way strongly relate to him. In this way a large variety of people can enjoy the same comic. Such a blank figure is mostly supported by some very strongly typed figures (Goofy, Pluto) allowing the writer to introduce special features anyway. The writer can construct a web of extremes in which the reader (playing the role of the leading blank) can find his place.

That's what I think, but what do you guys think

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From: starback at juts
> Rich:
> > The only comic I could find with a picture of the Duck Family
> > Tree was in UNCLE DONALD AND HIS NEPHEWS: FAMILY FUN #38 (Dell, 1960)
> > On the tree is listed Donald, Huey, Dewey, Louie, Gyro, Gus, Scrooge, Gran
> > Gladstone, Daisy, April, May, June, and three I am not familiar with:
>
> So how are they related according to that tree?

It actually doesn't present anything all that clearly. It just has everyone
at the end of a branch conveniently lumped together according to familiar
groupings. It is not exactly like this but similar. Of
Gyro course I wasn't able to list everyone.
Donald \ Scrooge I like Per's Bark's Family Tree better.
\ \ | Grandma
Huey ----\ \|| /
Dewey---\\ || / Daisy
Louie--\\ ||/ /---April
Gus\\|| //---May
\ | |//---June
\| /
-Rich | |
(not a duck) / \"

Hi. I seem to remember having a couple issues of "Donald Duck's Family Album"
.. a Disney Comic that came out in the early 1960's, published by Dell
(Western Publishing), and drawn by a rather lousy (in my opinion)
artist. (I could probly track the name down if I had some Gladstone
Digests handy, but I dont..) Anyway, I don't suppose the "Family Album"
comic ever answered some of these family questions?

In addition, let's remember that Disney most likly did what alot of
comic and cartoon-writers have done. They make some characters and
indicate that they are vaguely related, and later on when people show
interest, they find that they have to "tie" everything together loosely.
Marvel and DC do this with their comic "Universes" as well, and it's bloody
confusing.

The same problem came up concerning Uncle Scrooge's age. (Some of you
may remember how one perticular date changes in a reprint of "Only
a Poor old Man", when Scrooge is relating a story to Donald... or
was that a different story? the Terra Firmy one? Or mabye the Golden
Fleace? Bleah.)

- JH

When was the last time you saw a human-looking mother in a Disney
animated movie?
Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, Little Mermaid, Jungle Book, and
Pinocchio don't have any.
Sleeping Beauty maybe.
Snow White and Cinderella had evil step-mothers.
Animal features (Oliver and Company, Robin Hood) don't count.

Read the "real" version of Aladdin and you'll see how Disney
butchers fairy tales. (I love Disney movies. I just hope they don't do
anymore H.C. Anderson.)

Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE

all so much for sharing all of your information about D Ducks family tree.
It was most appreciated!!! So I hope you won't mind if I cause a stir by
asking even more questions. That's what this club is for isn't it?
How did Darkwing Duck come about?
Where did Unca Scrooge get his number 1 dime from?
Where did Darkwing Duck get his powers from?
I must confess that I've never read a Darkwing Duck comic, I've only seen
him on TV.
Why does that witch duck (I can't remember her name) want Scrooges dime?
When did Mickey get married and to whom?
Is Gyro related to the duck family at all?
Has anyone (except me) heard of Bubba the caveduck and his pet dinosaur
Tootsie who eats ice blocks?
And now to change the subject dramatically. Does anyone want to be my penpal
and write in the old fashioned way with ink and paper?? Reply if you want
and I'll give you my address.

Fethry Duck
~~~~~~~~~~~
Andreas Gammel:
> And there's another cousin who wears a green woolen cap.

Harry Fluks:
> I understand his cap is not always _green_ in other countries; one
> Englishman once asked for foreign names of "the guy with the red woolen
> cap".

Here in Sweden he wears pink. The only time I've seen Fethry in an
American publication (WDC 509) it was red.

Gladstone Gander
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Harry Fluks again:
> On the first pages of 'Race to the South Seas', a Barks story from 1949,
> the relation between Donald and Scrooge, and Gladstone and Scrooge is
> explained. I don't know it by head, but I can look it up. As far as I
> remember, Gladstone is a "distant" cousin, i.e. a son of a cousin of
> Donald's father, or so.

Here are the relevant quotes:

Donald: "And my uncle on my mother's side is Scrooge McDuck, the
richest man in the world!"

Gladstone: "So what? Scrooge McDuck is *my* mother's brother's
brother-in-law, and I'm going to get a *big* cut of his
fortune, too!"

Barks's Duck Family Tree
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Those quotes agree with that Duck Family Tree which Barks made in the
early fifties. It is published in Carl Barks Library, Set VI, p. 476,
and I won't try to redraw it here, but the information in it is:

Old "Scotty" McDuck had the following children:
Matilda McDuck who married Goosetave Gander,
Scrooge McDuck,
Hortense McDuck.

Grandma Duck had the following children:
Quackmore Duck,
Daphne, who married Luke the Goose.

Hortense McDuck and Quackmore Duck married and had Thelma Duck (the
mother of Huey, Dewey and Louie) and Donald Duck.

Luke the Goose and Daphne had one son, Gladstone, who was orphaned
when Daphne and Luke overate at a free-lunch picnic. Gladstone was
then adopted by Matilda McDuck and Goosetave Gander!

Gus Goose was a nephew of Luke the Goose "making him a very distant
`cousin' of Donald".

Other trees
~~~~~~~~~~~
Harry:
> There is at least one family tree published in a book about Donald Duck's
> life (published in Holland in 1984 - or was it 1987?), the story and
> tree are of Italian origin. In the story, Scrooge is Grandma's brother, and
> Donald is an _adopted_ child (Grandma never got married).

I guess you (and in a later post Fredrik Ekman) mean "Buon compeanno,
Paperino" by Marco Rota which we have discussed here before? (Swedish
title: Mitt liv i ett "aggskal.) There is no family tree in the
Swedish edition though. The question of how Scrooge and Grandma are
related is a crucial point when making a Duck family tree. I prefer
the solution in Barks's tree where they aren't related at all. After
all, Scrooge grew up in Scotland, surely (?) Grandma didn't!
I have some more things to say about Grandma, but that'll have to wait
to a later post.

Rich:
> The only comic I could find with a picture of the Duck Family
> Tree was in UNCLE DONALD AND HIS NEPHEWS: FAMILY FUN #38 (Dell, 1960)
> On the tree is listed Donald, Huey, Dewey, Louie, Gyro, Gus, Scrooge, Grandma,
> Gladstone, Daisy, April, May, June, and three I am not familiar with:

So how are they related according to that tree?

Harry > There must be other 'origin' stories of the Duck family...
Fredrik> I have read at least two. One American that was published in
Fredrik> Sweden in the late 60's (I think). The Swedish title
Fredrik> translates to "This is you life, Donald Duck".

Four color #1109 (1960), reprinted in Gladstone's Donald Duck Comic
Digest #4. Doesn't say much about how the ducks are related though.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"

How does Daisy fit into the family tree? How closely related is she
to Donald? They are courting, of course, but they have the same
surname "Duck". Do we know anything about her family other than that
she is the aunt of April, May, and June? Who are AM&J's parents?
Speaking of dating your relatives, how closely are Mickey Mouse and
Minnie Mouse related? And will Luigi **PLEASE** tell us about their
wedding????

Wilmer Rivers
rivers at seismo.css.gov