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Harry Fluks

Languages Message 91 - 1993-03-30 at 19:26:19

Luigi wrote:

> TIME UPDATING: 1993-03-30 17:30
> (update this time when you alter the list)

So we should use Italian time? Remember: the NewZealanders could send
tomorrow's posts, already...

> English | Dutch | German ..... | Italian
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> -mad cousin? | ? | ? | Paperoga

Fethry.

Dutch name: Diederik.

> Rockerduck? | ? | ? | Rockerduck

Yes, I guess he was named Rockerduck in the only Barks story he appeared in.

Dutch names:
Leopold Kwartjesvinder
Klaas Klever
Govert Goudglans (= the name of Flintheart Glomgold)
Rockerduck
...and there are some more...

German name:
Klaas Klever

> Oh Oh... Harry Fluks was quicker than me... Luigi

You know, my name "Fluks" means "Quickly". You weren't that far wrong when
you misspelled my first name "Hurry", once... 8-)

--Harry.

Luigi Bevilacqua

Languages Message 92 - 1993-03-30 at 19:42:37

Harry Fluks

Languages Message 93 - 1993-03-30 at 20:00:16

> I have also collected names of Disney characters in various languages
> now and then

Quite an impressive list!

> When I could't find a language in that (half-finished?) standard I used the
> full name prefixed by "x." (only used for Flemish).

I guess Flemish isn't a language, just like Mexican an Argentinan aren't.
So you could indicate that by "nl-fl" or so.

> Well, all in all there are lots of things
> that should be cleaned up (lots of spelling errors etc), but I won't
> do it right now, and as you've started collecting names here they are:

I'll add some things I know right now, apart from the names in earlier
postings. Maybe this is something to put in some FAQ?

> en:Junior Woodchucks

nl: Jonge Woudlopers

> en:Flintheart Glomgold

nl: Govert Goudglans

> en:Moby Duck
> sv:Moby Duck

nl: Moby Duck (surprize 8-)

> en:Neighbor (J.) Jones
> sv:(Olle) Olsson

nl: Buurman Bolderbast (in one story: Bolsterbast)

> en:Clara Cluck

nl: Klaartje Kip

> en:Peg-Leg Pete, Big (Bad) Pete, Black Pete

nl: Boris Boef

> en:Pluto the Pup
> sv:Pluto
> da:Pluto
> is:Pl'ut'o
> no:Pluto
> fi:Pluto
> hu:Plu'to'
> sk:Pluto
> cs:Pluto

nl: Pluto (You wouldn't have guessed)

> en:Morty and Ferdie Fieldmouse

nl: Puk en Max Mouse

> en:Horace Horsecollar

nl: Karel Paardepoot

> en:Clarabelle Cow

nl: Clarabella Koe

> en:The (Phantom) Blot

nl: De zwarte Schim

> en:Chief O'Hara

nl: Commissaris O'Hara

> en:Chip 'n' Dale
> nl:Knabbel & Babbel

de: Ahoernchen und Behoernchen (oe = o")

> en:Zeke Wolf = The Big Bad Wolf
> nl:De (Grote) Boze Wolf

nl: Midas Wolf = De Grote Boze Wolf

> en:Li'l Bad Wolf
> nl:De Kleine Boze Wolf

nl: Wolfje = De Kleine Boze Wolf

> en:Izzy Wolf
> sv:Smockan

nl: Pollo

> en:Three Little Pigs

nl: De Drie Biggetjes

> en:Fiddler Pig
> sv:Bror Lustig (eller {r det Bror Hurtig?)

nl: Knir (of is het Knar?)

> en:Fifer Pig
> sv:Bror Hurtig (eller {r det Bror Lustig?)

nl: Knar (of is het Knir?)

> en:Practical Pig
> sv:Bror Duktig

nl: Knor

> en:Brer Bear
> sv:Bror Bj|rn

nl: Meneer Beer (Bruin Beer)

> en:Brer Fox
> sv:Bror R{v

nl: Meneer Vos (Reintje Vos)

> en:Eega Beeva

nl: Ega Beva

> en:Emil Eagle

nl: Arend Akelig

> da:Gaaser|d
> fi:Hanhivaara
> sv:G}seborg

I guess this is the town next to Duckburg, in Holland mostly called Ganzenstad.

> en:Scamp
> sv:Ludde
> nl:Rakker

de: Strolchi

> en:Cinderella
> x.flemish:Assepoester

nl: Assepoester (I don't know why you put a Flemish entry here...)

> en:Sylvester Shyster
> sv:Fusky / Mutkolv

nl: Sylvester Slibber

> en:Shamrock Bones
> sv:Sk{rlock Holm

nl: Sul Dufneus

> en:Captain Churchmouse
> sv:Kapten Kyrkr}tta

nl: Kapitein Kerkrat / Kapitein Kerkmuis

> it:Filo Fganga
> sv:Johannes N{bbelin / Ludde Spinsson / Johannes Hum / Ernst

I'm very curious who this could be...

> en:Tinker Bell
> sv:Tingeling

nl: Rinkelbel

> en:Little Toot
> sv:Lilla Tr}get

nl: Kleine Toet (appeared in only 3 or 4 stories)

> -- "
> Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
> "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"

nl: Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, Netherlands. email: h.w.fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Het leven is een gok, laat Knobelisme het voor u uitzoeken!"

Luigi Bevilacqua

Languages' questions Message 94 - 1993-03-31 at 15:13:51

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Hi,

If we want to have a good list of names we need to update it in
an handy way.

So:

- Anyone can modify the list?
(in this case we need update-time, is Greenwich time good for everybody?)

- Or just Per Starback updates the list.
(Do you agree, Per?)

In my opinion it is better to have a little character description after
English name, especially if the character is not very important.
The list needs also the COMPLETE name. For example: Uncle Scrooge.
The name is Scrooge McDuck/Uncle Scrooge in English and
Paperon de' Paperoni/Zio Paperone in Italian.
The nephews call him Zio Paperone, foreigners call him Paperon de' Paperoni.
Should we write the relative word, like uncle or hunt?
Donald Duck/Uncle Donald === Paolino Paperino/Paperino/Zio Paperino

So, what do we do?

BYE!!!
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| TH...TH...THAT'S ALL, FOLKS! Luigi <bevilal at ghost.dsi.unimi.it> |
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Per Starbäck

Languages, Gare', pigs Message 95 - 1993-03-31 at 16:43:50

> - Or just Per Starback updates the list.
> (Do you agree, Per?)

I'm too busy right now. That's why I just poured out my file for you
all without even incorporating some info some of you had already
posted to the list. I just wanted to make it available to anyone who
might be interested in compiling all such info.

On the other hand I will probably dig through old posts and enter any
info I find into my list in the future if noone else wants to
coordinate such a list, so any "Bucky Bug is XXX in Sawbuggian" type
of post will eventually be taken care of.

What I will do, starting as of now, is to include a small dictionary
of the names of the most popular characters in English and the native
language of the new subscriber in the welcome message to new
subscribers (when their native language, as guessed by their
geographic position, isn't English). Is that a good idea?
That might even be useful (which Daisy's name in Serbocroatian
probably isn't...).

I'm sorry to hear that Gare' Barks is dead by the way. I was
surprised to hear that, as I've always (without any particular reason)
pictured Unca Carl going first.

BTW (again): I and Harry seem both to be unsure of who is who of
Fifer and Fiddler Pig. Anyone knows?
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"

Harry Fluks

Languages' questions Message 96 - 1993-03-31 at 19:50:14

Luigi:

> Hi,
>
> If we want to have a good list of names we need to update it in
> an handy way.
>
> So:
>
> - Anyone can modify the list?
> (in this case we need update-time, is Greenwich time good for everybody?)
>
> - Or just Per Starback updates the list.
> (Do you agree, Per?)

I could have volunteered for that, but I don't know the "official" language
symbols and the ASCII representation of several diacritic characters.
(BTW: The Greek name for Donald is NTONALT NTAK (by OUOOLT NTISNI), and
Mickey is called MIKKI MAOUS. But these are just transcriptions from the
Greek alphabet, while the Greek is just an effort to transcribe the Latin
alphabet names...)

> In my opinion it is better to have a little character description after
> English name, especially if the character is not very important.

Rich Bellacera once proposed to make a description of every Disney character,
with info like "Origin", "Family", "Species" (Goofy is an anthropomorphized
dingo) etc. We could start a Disney characters encyclopedia...
Rich already has a list of all "recurring" characters in the Disney movies,
TV series and comics. It's on the ftp site (you know.. something lysator
something). It would be nice to have a short description with each
character.

> The list needs also the COMPLETE name. For example: Uncle Scrooge.
> The name is Scrooge McDuck/Uncle Scrooge in English and
> Paperon de' Paperoni/Zio Paperone in Italian.
> The nephews call him Zio Paperone, foreigners call him Paperon de' Paperoni.
> Should we write the relative word, like uncle or hunt?
> Donald Duck/Uncle Donald === Paolino Paperino/Paperino/Zio Paperino

Only if it's the common name, used in a comic. There are a lot of stories
starring "Uncle Scrooge", while there are not that many "Uncle Donald"s, and
as far as I know, no "Uncle Mickey" or "Aunt Daisy" at all.

Do I understand correctly that Paperino is his last name, and that his
first name is Paolino?

> So, what do we do?

I don't know.

--Harry.

Harry Fluks

News from the lists (wanted: volunteers) Message 97 - 1993-03-31 at 20:06:09

Some newer members may not know that we have compiled some lists of comic
stories. These lists are avaliable on "our" ftp site (ftp.lysator.liu.se).
What we have so far:

1. Two Carl Barks lists: one Dutch list (complete, and up to date till
february 1993), and a (less up to date) Swedish list. The Dutch list
also contains (USA) story titles and dates the stories were made (this
may be interesting for non-Dutch people).

2. A complete USA/Scandinavian/Dutch Don Rosa list. This list is updated from
time to time, by several mailing list members (supervisor: Per Starback).

>>>BTW Per: The "Nostrildamus" story will be reprinted in Dutch DD Extra
4, 1993 (X93-04).

3. A list of stories appearing in Gladstone's comics. Andy Krieg is still
working on a part of it.

>>>WE STILL COULD USE SOME VOLUNTEERS to fill the gaps in this list.
If you want to help, contact me: I coordinate this to avoid double work.

4. A list of stories in Disney Comics's comics. This is far from complete
(and a lot of comics are not that interesting to list them at all, IMHO).
The same applies to this list: volunteers, contact me!

5. A list of stories in Dell comics, compiled by Kjell Crone. This list
is not complete (yet), but maybe we will get updates from Kjell in
the future (he is no member of this mailing list).

6. A list of stories in Dutch comics, made by me. Any remarks on this list
are very welcome.

(did I forget something?)

There's some more at the ftp site, just have a look at it! There are README
files explaining the contents of the available files.

--Harry.

Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"

Torsten Wesley Adair

Mickey's wedding- FINAL /more Message 98 - 1993-03-31 at 22:57:37

On Tue, 30 Mar 1993, luigi bevilacqua wrote:
> ===========================================================================
> On Mon, 29 Mar 1993, Torsten Wesley Adair answered:
> > And is the sorceror related to Magica de Spell, and/or Yen Sid?
> No, of course! They are not ducks!
> Who is Yen Sid?

Yen Sid (read it backwards for the secret message) is the name of the
sorceror in Fantasia. I was being flippant.
>
> > And was Samantha more likable than Minnie?
> More and more beautiful! She is pink (not black and white like Minnie)
> and she is more ...uuhhmm... female!

I wondered about that. I understand why Mickey is black (born before
technicolor), but I've never seen a white mouse in a Disney Universe
(Mickey, Donald, Goofy) story. Of course, there's Bianca of the Rescuers.

Torsten

Torsten Wesley Adair

Gare' Barks Message 99 - 1993-03-31 at 23:04:40

I doubt you'll be able to get a copy, as most stores I know don't
keep back issues. I posted the short obituary that week, and wonder if it
made it to the net.
If anyone would like a photocopy, just send your snail mail
address to me.

Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE

Per Starbäck

Gare' Barks Message 100 - 1993-03-31 at 23:29:33

Torsten:
> I doubt you'll be able to get a copy, as most stores I know don't
> keep back issues. I posted the short obituary that week, and wonder if it
> made it to the net.

To the net? If you've sent it to this list it didn't get through.
And I haven't seen anything about it in rec.arts.comics.* or
rec.arts.disney either. In fact I learned about her being dead from
Wilmer River's posting to this list:

> I hope most of you (in the USA, anyway) saw the tributes the latest
> issue of Comics Buyers Guide published to the late Gare' Barks, Carl's
> wife/inker/letterer/advisor as well as a distinguished landscape artist
> in her own right. Gare' died on March 6, I think it was, and her
> passing is a major loss to all fans of the Barks stories to which she
> contributed so much. The tribute was certainly appropriate, and if you
> missed it, you should go purchase a copy on the newstands now.

I called a Swedish comics dealer and asked him about it. He said that
the latest ish of CBG that he had got *mentioned* the death on the
back cover. I thought that "the tributes" might be something more than
that, and that it is the issue after that one I want. Is it?

Could anyone please give me some issue numbers, both of this CBG and
an earlier one with a feature on Gladstone and interviews with Don
Rosa and William Van Horn. I'd also like the issue number of that
issue of Advance Comics with a Don Rosa interview that Harry
mentioned. There is an old interview with Rosa by Dana Gabbard that
Gabbard told me would be published in The Comics Journal. Has it?
Please anyone tell me when it appears.

And finally a simple question on Gare': How do you proncounce her
name? Like Gary???
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"

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