Dear Folks,
Forgot to reply to one or two items. The credits for "Porky
Pig of the Mounties" are: Story/script by Chase Craig. Art by Carl
Barks. Some reinking by Carl Beuttner.
Beuttner didn't redo more than a minority of the Porky/Petunia
heads. It's easy to tell his pig, because the eyes almost come to a
teardrop point on top (the picture of Porky on the cover of the Barks
Bear Book is actually one of his). By contrast, Barks' Porky has more
accurate, rounded eyes. Also a fatter snout. The most obvious
contrast between them is in the page where Porky meets the baby bear.
The first two panels on the page are both close-ups, one by Barks, one
by Beuttner. Other characteristic Beuttner "reinks" are in the last
panel of the story.
As for Bugs, yes, nearly all of the Bugs heads were redrawn.
But you can tell Barks' right off the bat; Barks gives Bugs a black
nose, while Beuttner doesn't ink in the nose. On the page reproduced
in the Barrier book, the scene of Bugs tugging at the wafer with his
teeth -- eyes closed -- is perhaps the best example of Barks' Bugs.
(I came to these conclusions by comparing contemporary work by
Beuttner -- who drew most Porky stories at the time -- with "Porky of
the Mounties.")
That Porky story had its roots in the 1936 Pig cartoon "Porky
in the Northwoods," in which Porky is a Mountie rescuing animals from
an evil trapper. That was only the inspiration for the comic, though,
which had a much more detailed plot (and explained how Porky became a
Mountie; to be precise, he *wasn't* really one), as well as adding
Bugs and Petunia (neither of whom existed in 1936).
Can anyone recommend a few particularly good Danish or Dutch
stories published by Egmont since July 1992 (when I had to stop
getting the weekly German Egmont edition)? I want to do some really
recent stories, but have little access to them.
Well, gotta go.
Your friend,
David Gerstein
"Can I help it if this barrel wasn't big enough fer *both* of
us to hide in?"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Author
Topic: 199309
(132 messages)
David A Gerstein
Pork-barrel politics
Message 106 -
1993-09-26 at 03:17:45
Mark Semich
Disney-comics digest #109.
Message 107 -
1993-09-27 at 04:20:37
David Gerstein writes:
> But wherever the "D. U. C. K" is on US 281 completely eludes
>me!!! I'm stuck!
It took me a while, but I managed to find it - it's in the coins that
Scrooge has in his shovel.
> Len Wein, by the way, laid down the law in 1990 that in new
>stories, Scrooge should have his DuckTales dialect written into the
>balloons! Hence stories like "Coffee, Louie or Me" in US 257, wherein
>Scrooge refers to "m' money bin!" Phooey! (Van Horn didn't obey that
>regulation; *only* Jaime Diaz stories adopted it.)
I'm not that informed, but from what I've been able to gather, there
seem to be *many* reasons to dislike Len's tenure on the Disney books.
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"I am Scrooge McDuck of the clan McDuck. There can be only one!"
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> But wherever the "D. U. C. K" is on US 281 completely eludes
>me!!! I'm stuck!
It took me a while, but I managed to find it - it's in the coins that
Scrooge has in his shovel.
> Len Wein, by the way, laid down the law in 1990 that in new
>stories, Scrooge should have his DuckTales dialect written into the
>balloons! Hence stories like "Coffee, Louie or Me" in US 257, wherein
>Scrooge refers to "m' money bin!" Phooey! (Van Horn didn't obey that
>regulation; *only* Jaime Diaz stories adopted it.)
I'm not that informed, but from what I've been able to gather, there
seem to be *many* reasons to dislike Len's tenure on the Disney books.
===========================================================================
"I am Scrooge McDuck of the clan McDuck. There can be only one!"
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Mark Semich
Disney-comics digest #108.
Message 108 -
1993-09-27 at 05:24:42
>From: David A Gerstein <David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu>
>(If anyone here isn't familiar with the works of the great Gatsby --
>er, Gottfredson -- just buy your choice of: WDC&S 582-83,
>587-Present; MM 219-239, 241-244, 246-249, 251-253.)
Thank you for the index! I have a few of these issues , now I know
what other ones to look for.
> Mark Semich: Yeahhh, where *did* you get that quote? I
>assumed it was from one of Don Rosa's stories! (And it seemed funny
>that I couldn't remember *which* one!)
A few people have asked me the source of the quote in my signature
file. I must confess that it sprang, unbidden, like a cancerous
growth, from the bowels of my own fervid imagination. It's actually a
slight modification of "I am Conner McCleod of the clan McCleod.
There can be only one!" from the movie "Highlander."
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"I am Scrooge McDuck of the clan McDuck. There can be only one!"
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mark a. semich mas at csa.bu.edu
===========================================================================
>(If anyone here isn't familiar with the works of the great Gatsby --
>er, Gottfredson -- just buy your choice of: WDC&S 582-83,
>587-Present; MM 219-239, 241-244, 246-249, 251-253.)
Thank you for the index! I have a few of these issues , now I know
what other ones to look for.
> Mark Semich: Yeahhh, where *did* you get that quote? I
>assumed it was from one of Don Rosa's stories! (And it seemed funny
>that I couldn't remember *which* one!)
A few people have asked me the source of the quote in my signature
file. I must confess that it sprang, unbidden, like a cancerous
growth, from the bowels of my own fervid imagination. It's actually a
slight modification of "I am Conner McCleod of the clan McCleod.
There can be only one!" from the movie "Highlander."
===========================================================================
"I am Scrooge McDuck of the clan McDuck. There can be only one!"
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mark a. semich mas at csa.bu.edu
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Luigi Bevilacqua
Here I am
Message 109 -
1993-09-27 at 13:41:56
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi everybody,
Long time no see, (or no write?)
Few things by now:
ABOUT ME:
I'm Luigi "Gigi" Bevilacqua, 26 years old, brown eyes and hair,
I wear glasses or contact lens (because too much reading?).
I'm a computer science student at the Statal University in Milan.
I live in a small village near the city.
I think Disney comics were first thing I ever read, and I never stopped.
Several years ago I began to read English comics, and I discovered Rosa
material (DD#1, Disney).
My favorite authors are: Barks (?!), Giorgio Cavazzano and Don Rosa.
I never read other Disney stories but what these authors do.
I read many other comics: Lobo, Marshal Law, Frank Miller's comics, Sandman,
Doom Patrol...
...and Lum (Urusei Yatsura), Video girl AI, Ranma 1/2...
... and everything is written by Alan Moore and more and more.
I also read SF novels. I read everything is readable!
Comics, books, magazine, newspapers, papers, computer monitors...
And when I don't read then I study...
Sorry, I have to go by now.
I have to eat something, it's about time for lunch!
__ BYE!!!
. Gigi
. (my official nickname)
.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
OH, BOYS! NOW I KNOW WHAT I LIVE FOR! GUESS WHAT?
.
. Luigi < (Email removed) >
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi everybody,
Long time no see, (or no write?)
Few things by now:
ABOUT ME:
I'm Luigi "Gigi" Bevilacqua, 26 years old, brown eyes and hair,
I wear glasses or contact lens (because too much reading?).
I'm a computer science student at the Statal University in Milan.
I live in a small village near the city.
I think Disney comics were first thing I ever read, and I never stopped.
Several years ago I began to read English comics, and I discovered Rosa
material (DD#1, Disney).
My favorite authors are: Barks (?!), Giorgio Cavazzano and Don Rosa.
I never read other Disney stories but what these authors do.
I read many other comics: Lobo, Marshal Law, Frank Miller's comics, Sandman,
Doom Patrol...
...and Lum (Urusei Yatsura), Video girl AI, Ranma 1/2...
... and everything is written by Alan Moore and more and more.
I also read SF novels. I read everything is readable!
Comics, books, magazine, newspapers, papers, computer monitors...
And when I don't read then I study...
Sorry, I have to go by now.
I have to eat something, it's about time for lunch!
__ BYE!!!
. Gigi
. (my official nickname)
.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
OH, BOYS! NOW I KNOW WHAT I LIVE FOR! GUESS WHAT?
.
. Luigi < (Email removed) >
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Harry Fluks
Gawsh... (Fabio)
Message 110 -
1993-09-27 at 18:57:48
> Now about my favourite stories... Well, I do not think I can list only TEN
> stories... Maybe my Barks' favourite one is the full version of "Back to
> the Klondike" (if I HAD to decide), and that is probably my favourite duck
> story, too, even if there are at least a couple of Italian (which are
> linked to my childhood) by Romano Scarpa (Zio Paperone e le lenticchie di
> Babilonia) and Pezzin-Cavazzano (Paperino e l'isola vulcano) which are
> close enough...
> (ok, go on: flame me :-)
I remember a LOT of VERY BAD Italian stories, and a few good ones:
Scrooge in search of a fish for a 'kaibi' bird, featuring something like
'the Flying Dutchman';
Scrooge and Donald on a butterfly hunt, featuring Brigitta MacBridge
I think those two were early Scarpa stories; they were printed in Holland
in the early 70s.
> And for Gottfredson... well, surely Island in the Sky from the Thirties,
> but his best stuff is maybe from the Forties (even if I do not remember the
> English titles...). More on this next time... :-)
I disagree: the best stuff is from the 30s! In the 40s, you get the stories
with Eega Beeva, which are quite OK (but not the best), and after th
t, well..
> [Scrooge has a] Scottish accent? I was absolutely sure he talked in a plain
> Italian... :-)
But if I remember well, the Italian Disney characters do GRUNT, SNORT and
make other noises in English! And Scrooge has dollars in his money bin.
Does that mean that Duckburg is in the USA, even in the Italian translations?
(In Holland, Duckburg is in some undefined country, but they pay in
guilders.)
--Harry.
> stories... Maybe my Barks' favourite one is the full version of "Back to
> the Klondike" (if I HAD to decide), and that is probably my favourite duck
> story, too, even if there are at least a couple of Italian (which are
> linked to my childhood) by Romano Scarpa (Zio Paperone e le lenticchie di
> Babilonia) and Pezzin-Cavazzano (Paperino e l'isola vulcano) which are
> close enough...
> (ok, go on: flame me :-)
I remember a LOT of VERY BAD Italian stories, and a few good ones:
Scrooge in search of a fish for a 'kaibi' bird, featuring something like
'the Flying Dutchman';
Scrooge and Donald on a butterfly hunt, featuring Brigitta MacBridge
I think those two were early Scarpa stories; they were printed in Holland
in the early 70s.
> And for Gottfredson... well, surely Island in the Sky from the Thirties,
> but his best stuff is maybe from the Forties (even if I do not remember the
> English titles...). More on this next time... :-)
I disagree: the best stuff is from the 30s! In the 40s, you get the stories
with Eega Beeva, which are quite OK (but not the best), and after th
t, well..
> [Scrooge has a] Scottish accent? I was absolutely sure he talked in a plain
> Italian... :-)
But if I remember well, the Italian Disney characters do GRUNT, SNORT and
make other noises in English! And Scrooge has dollars in his money bin.
Does that mean that Duckburg is in the USA, even in the Italian translations?
(In Holland, Duckburg is in some undefined country, but they pay in
guilders.)
--Harry.
Harry Fluks
Pork-barrel politics
Message 111 -
1993-09-27 at 19:12:49
David:
> The credits for "Porky
> Pig of the Mounties" are: Story/script by Chase Craig. Art by Carl
> Barks. Some reinking by Carl Beuttner.
Thank you for that and the other information! But Carl should be Buettner,
right?
--Harry.
> The credits for "Porky
> Pig of the Mounties" are: Story/script by Chase Craig. Art by Carl
> Barks. Some reinking by Carl Beuttner.
Thank you for that and the other information! But Carl should be Buettner,
right?
--Harry.
Gadducci
Gawsh ... - The sequel (*Not so long*)
Message 112 -
1993-09-27 at 19:36:03
Well, my 2 cent coin about political correctness in Italy.
There had been no problem with translation or political correctness in the
DD & MM stories here in Italy till the '80s, and an eagle was an eagle. Now
the current editors (Gaudenzio Capelli and Elisa Penna) and the
wimmens'staff (yes, almost all of those involved with 'Topolino' editorial
staff are women...) chose a environment-safe politics (maybe under the
direction of the new management of the Italian branch of Disney): as an
example, usually ducks are vegetarians in current Italian stories....
Another example: there is an ongoing series called 'Zio Paperone' that
reprints at a low price the CBL. They presented the revised edition of
Darkest Africa, obviously, but the art of the political uncorrect stories
is not changed (if CBL did not change it)!! Anyway, they sometimes modify
the text to give it an environment-safe flavour; I do not remember if the
eagle is still an eagle, but an interesting example is the old story about
DD trapping a fake wolf. The nephews decide to make DD a joke, using
Daisy's fur coats, and in this modern translation those fur coats are
"false ones"...
There was an article in the "cultural" pages of 'La Repubblica' (maybe the
most important Italian daily newspaper), some months ago: the author was
Luca Raffaelli (a well know expert of comics and cartoons), and was devoted
to the topic of censorship in Disney comics...
Now talking about Disney and moral corruption (yo, Don :-): did anybody
read "Walt Disney, the dark prince"? It was out some month ago, even if I
did not yet received it! I read a brief summary, however, and it seemed a
kind of "Disney, Babylon" book: very interesting!!
And this quote is for you, Don: "Cuteness is a worldwide problem of major
proportion. Though cuteness has been with us for centuries, its most recent
proliferation threatens to smother us in a plethora of plastic Snoopy
pillows". And more "At the hearth of the cuteness impulse is the desire to
trivialize everything... to remove the presence of real-life & substitute
for it a blande, reassuring 'cleanliness'..." (in 'Griffith Observatory',
an underground strip by Bill Griffith -the same of Zippy- reprinted last
summer by Fantagraphics: go and buy it!!)
Well, he used Porky-Pig as a graphical example, but it could work for
Chip&Dale, too, I think... :-)
Bye for now
Fabio
================================================================
Fabio Gadducci Dip. di Informatica
Universita` di Pisa
Tel. +39-50-510268 Corso Italia 40, 56100 PISA (ITALY)
FAX: +39-50-510226 E-mail:gadducci at di.unipi.it
================================================================
There had been no problem with translation or political correctness in the
DD & MM stories here in Italy till the '80s, and an eagle was an eagle. Now
the current editors (Gaudenzio Capelli and Elisa Penna) and the
wimmens'staff (yes, almost all of those involved with 'Topolino' editorial
staff are women...) chose a environment-safe politics (maybe under the
direction of the new management of the Italian branch of Disney): as an
example, usually ducks are vegetarians in current Italian stories....
Another example: there is an ongoing series called 'Zio Paperone' that
reprints at a low price the CBL. They presented the revised edition of
Darkest Africa, obviously, but the art of the political uncorrect stories
is not changed (if CBL did not change it)!! Anyway, they sometimes modify
the text to give it an environment-safe flavour; I do not remember if the
eagle is still an eagle, but an interesting example is the old story about
DD trapping a fake wolf. The nephews decide to make DD a joke, using
Daisy's fur coats, and in this modern translation those fur coats are
"false ones"...
There was an article in the "cultural" pages of 'La Repubblica' (maybe the
most important Italian daily newspaper), some months ago: the author was
Luca Raffaelli (a well know expert of comics and cartoons), and was devoted
to the topic of censorship in Disney comics...
Now talking about Disney and moral corruption (yo, Don :-): did anybody
read "Walt Disney, the dark prince"? It was out some month ago, even if I
did not yet received it! I read a brief summary, however, and it seemed a
kind of "Disney, Babylon" book: very interesting!!
And this quote is for you, Don: "Cuteness is a worldwide problem of major
proportion. Though cuteness has been with us for centuries, its most recent
proliferation threatens to smother us in a plethora of plastic Snoopy
pillows". And more "At the hearth of the cuteness impulse is the desire to
trivialize everything... to remove the presence of real-life & substitute
for it a blande, reassuring 'cleanliness'..." (in 'Griffith Observatory',
an underground strip by Bill Griffith -the same of Zippy- reprinted last
summer by Fantagraphics: go and buy it!!)
Well, he used Porky-Pig as a graphical example, but it could work for
Chip&Dale, too, I think... :-)
Bye for now
Fabio
================================================================
Fabio Gadducci Dip. di Informatica
Universita` di Pisa
Tel. +39-50-510268 Corso Italia 40, 56100 PISA (ITALY)
FAX: +39-50-510226 E-mail:gadducci at di.unipi.it
================================================================
David A Gerstein
Political Correctness; also, Egmont's Mickey
Message 113 -
1993-09-28 at 02:41:41
Dear Harry (and everyone),
Yeah... Carl should be *Buettner*, with the "u" before the
"e". Thanks, Harry. (I don't think I've ever spelled that fellow's
name consistently.)
Buetnner's art is really unique in the mid-1940s, with a
softness to it that refrains from cuteness (as Jack Bradbury would
later get just *mired* in). By the way, the stories in the first
Br'er Rabbit comic are his, not Murry's. (The way the boldface
italics are lettered in the word balloons is enough of a giveaway...
compare those stories to BROS 208's Murry items and you'll see the
difference.)
When it comes to political correctness... Disney management
told Bob Foster that he couldn't reprint old Br'er Rabbit stories
without rewriting the dialect to remove the Southern accents...
offensive to Southerners, apparently (not to blacks in particular as
far as I know, but I'm not sure). In WDC&S 576, he snuck two
consecutive Sunday-strip stories in completely unchanged. The
readers loved them, so maybe Gladstone will get a better deal.
Fabio: I'm not sure what you meant about Darkest Africa. It
was censored in the CBL (more so than any other story... it being the
*only* one from which a whole panel was actually cut), censored the
same way when it appeared last year in DONALD DUCK ADVENTURES, and if
that's what was printed in Italy, that was censored the same way.
Donald as a vegetarian? Hmmmm... he often eats roast chicken,
and one of his best friends (Gyro) is that very bird. At least one
story has also shown him eating roast goose, and that defines both Gus
and Gladstone. Vicar's story in US 265 showed Scrooge having a "ham
steak" for lunch, and merely five issues later we saw him opposing the
classic *pig* villain, Argus McSwine.
Perhaps the ultimate helping of confusion is Barks' classic
"Think Box" story in WDC&S 141. I'm in fact finishing off a sequel to
that for Egmont right now!
And Mickey is willing to eat roast duck... for example, see
"The Bat Bandit of Inferno Gulch," in which Mickey returns home to be
given a celebratory *duck* dinner. And if you think things changed
after Donald appeared in the MM strip, nope... in "Unhappy Campers"
(1939) Mickey catches ducks for dinner, too.
So maybe the ducks have been made vegetarians to avoid rather
squeamish undertones, but maybe not.
An interesting story to that respect is "My Friends the
Trees," a Vicar story that Egmont published circa early 1992. Donald
cheats on Daisy, joining an ecological movement and falling in love
with a politically correct duck. He invites her to dinner -- making a
vegetarian dinner to butter her up, he notes -- but forgets he also
invited Daisy to dinner, and *both* romances fizzle. I won't be
translating that one... it just isn't *good* enough, aside from the
one scene of Donald fixing dinner.
As for other info... I'm actually getting into some Mickey
stories for Egmont now, and we'll see what the reaction is when
they're published. I'm using some characters who've been underused in
recent years. My first one pairs Mickey with Horace, and the second
pits Mickey and Minnie against Sylvester Shyster. They've already
brought back Eli Squinch and will be using him regularly from now on.
Mickey is getting a facelift in Denmark. He's also going to be
returning to wearing his old short pants in the stories being done
there (although it's being done in stages, as the Disney foreign
office much prefers Murry's Mouse).
I've had a nutty idea to adapt a story I once did with my own
characters for Mickey... as a Mouse story, it would involve Mickey
traveling to Europe with Goofy and *Butch*, his early pal from "Circus
Roustabout" and a few others from that time.
I have also gained permission to use Mickey's rival Mortimer
and/or Minnie's lazy cousin Ruffhouse Rat as Gladstone-like foils for
Mickey. What do you think? No such stories are as yet in the works.
(Although an idea has *just now* sprung into my head....!)
Your friend,
David Gerstein
Yeah... Carl should be *Buettner*, with the "u" before the
"e". Thanks, Harry. (I don't think I've ever spelled that fellow's
name consistently.)
Buetnner's art is really unique in the mid-1940s, with a
softness to it that refrains from cuteness (as Jack Bradbury would
later get just *mired* in). By the way, the stories in the first
Br'er Rabbit comic are his, not Murry's. (The way the boldface
italics are lettered in the word balloons is enough of a giveaway...
compare those stories to BROS 208's Murry items and you'll see the
difference.)
When it comes to political correctness... Disney management
told Bob Foster that he couldn't reprint old Br'er Rabbit stories
without rewriting the dialect to remove the Southern accents...
offensive to Southerners, apparently (not to blacks in particular as
far as I know, but I'm not sure). In WDC&S 576, he snuck two
consecutive Sunday-strip stories in completely unchanged. The
readers loved them, so maybe Gladstone will get a better deal.
Fabio: I'm not sure what you meant about Darkest Africa. It
was censored in the CBL (more so than any other story... it being the
*only* one from which a whole panel was actually cut), censored the
same way when it appeared last year in DONALD DUCK ADVENTURES, and if
that's what was printed in Italy, that was censored the same way.
Donald as a vegetarian? Hmmmm... he often eats roast chicken,
and one of his best friends (Gyro) is that very bird. At least one
story has also shown him eating roast goose, and that defines both Gus
and Gladstone. Vicar's story in US 265 showed Scrooge having a "ham
steak" for lunch, and merely five issues later we saw him opposing the
classic *pig* villain, Argus McSwine.
Perhaps the ultimate helping of confusion is Barks' classic
"Think Box" story in WDC&S 141. I'm in fact finishing off a sequel to
that for Egmont right now!
And Mickey is willing to eat roast duck... for example, see
"The Bat Bandit of Inferno Gulch," in which Mickey returns home to be
given a celebratory *duck* dinner. And if you think things changed
after Donald appeared in the MM strip, nope... in "Unhappy Campers"
(1939) Mickey catches ducks for dinner, too.
So maybe the ducks have been made vegetarians to avoid rather
squeamish undertones, but maybe not.
An interesting story to that respect is "My Friends the
Trees," a Vicar story that Egmont published circa early 1992. Donald
cheats on Daisy, joining an ecological movement and falling in love
with a politically correct duck. He invites her to dinner -- making a
vegetarian dinner to butter her up, he notes -- but forgets he also
invited Daisy to dinner, and *both* romances fizzle. I won't be
translating that one... it just isn't *good* enough, aside from the
one scene of Donald fixing dinner.
As for other info... I'm actually getting into some Mickey
stories for Egmont now, and we'll see what the reaction is when
they're published. I'm using some characters who've been underused in
recent years. My first one pairs Mickey with Horace, and the second
pits Mickey and Minnie against Sylvester Shyster. They've already
brought back Eli Squinch and will be using him regularly from now on.
Mickey is getting a facelift in Denmark. He's also going to be
returning to wearing his old short pants in the stories being done
there (although it's being done in stages, as the Disney foreign
office much prefers Murry's Mouse).
I've had a nutty idea to adapt a story I once did with my own
characters for Mickey... as a Mouse story, it would involve Mickey
traveling to Europe with Goofy and *Butch*, his early pal from "Circus
Roustabout" and a few others from that time.
I have also gained permission to use Mickey's rival Mortimer
and/or Minnie's lazy cousin Ruffhouse Rat as Gladstone-like foils for
Mickey. What do you think? No such stories are as yet in the works.
(Although an idea has *just now* sprung into my head....!)
Your friend,
David Gerstein
Anders Engwall
More political correctness
Message 114 -
1993-09-28 at 08:44:53
rivers at seismo.CSS.GOV (Wilmer Rivers) writes:
> Who at Disney Comics made such a dumb substitution of
> "quail" in place of "eagle"? The punchline to the whole story was
> thereby rendered completely meaningless (unless you were familiar
> with the original). If they felt compelled to come up with a substitute
> for "eagle", why didn't they use "buzzard" or some such? (3) When this
> story is reprinted in Europe, is it still an "eagle" there or does
> Disney require it to be edited?
Dunno about how it was done in the first Swedish publication, but when
it was reprinted in 1968 they used "vulture". I like that -- it sounds
even less eatable than "eagle".
More interesting is perhaps the fact that the main story in US64 (July
1966) has *never* been printed here, presumably for political reasons.
I haven't read it myself, but I've been told that the plot takes place
in some part of the world with a rather striking resemblance to Vietnam...
Anders Engwall Email: Anders.Engwall at eua.ericsson.se
ELLEMTEL Utvecklings AB Voice: +46 8 727 3893
[lvsj|, Sweden Fax: +46 8 727 42 20
UT MED JORDINGARNA! - Gr|nt Marsianskt Motst}nd
> Who at Disney Comics made such a dumb substitution of
> "quail" in place of "eagle"? The punchline to the whole story was
> thereby rendered completely meaningless (unless you were familiar
> with the original). If they felt compelled to come up with a substitute
> for "eagle", why didn't they use "buzzard" or some such? (3) When this
> story is reprinted in Europe, is it still an "eagle" there or does
> Disney require it to be edited?
Dunno about how it was done in the first Swedish publication, but when
it was reprinted in 1968 they used "vulture". I like that -- it sounds
even less eatable than "eagle".
More interesting is perhaps the fact that the main story in US64 (July
1966) has *never* been printed here, presumably for political reasons.
I haven't read it myself, but I've been told that the plot takes place
in some part of the world with a rather striking resemblance to Vietnam...
Anders Engwall Email: Anders.Engwall at eua.ericsson.se
ELLEMTEL Utvecklings AB Voice: +46 8 727 3893
[lvsj|, Sweden Fax: +46 8 727 42 20
UT MED JORDINGARNA! - Gr|nt Marsianskt Motst}nd
Anders Engwall
Accents in word balloons (was: Voices)
Message 115 -
1993-09-28 at 08:57:06
Per Starback <starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> writes:
> Torsten:
> > The easiest way to denote an accent in writing is to change da spellin' uv
> > da letturz so dat da readurz kin undahstands dat chur writin' in, uh,
> > di-uh-lekt, and not Uhmurican.
>
> Such comic book spellings are not common at all in Sweden (I guess
> they are afraid the kids won't learn to spell properly if they read
> too much of it), but I think they add colour to the dialogues.
Brer Bear used to speak with some Swedish equivalent of hillbilly
accent (V{sterg|tland? Sm}land?) in the fifties. Oddly enough, I
think he was the only one in those Li'l Bad Wolf stories who spoke
like that. Anyway, it did add colour and it's a pity they changed
it.
Anders Engwall Email: Anders.Engwall at eua.ericsson.se
ELLEMTEL Utvecklings AB Voice: +46 8 727 3893
[lvsj|, Sweden Fax: +46 8 727 42 20
K\R UT JORDINGARNA! - Gr|nt Marsianskt Motst}nd
> Torsten:
> > The easiest way to denote an accent in writing is to change da spellin' uv
> > da letturz so dat da readurz kin undahstands dat chur writin' in, uh,
> > di-uh-lekt, and not Uhmurican.
>
> Such comic book spellings are not common at all in Sweden (I guess
> they are afraid the kids won't learn to spell properly if they read
> too much of it), but I think they add colour to the dialogues.
Brer Bear used to speak with some Swedish equivalent of hillbilly
accent (V{sterg|tland? Sm}land?) in the fifties. Oddly enough, I
think he was the only one in those Li'l Bad Wolf stories who spoke
like that. Anyway, it did add colour and it's a pity they changed
it.
Anders Engwall Email: Anders.Engwall at eua.ericsson.se
ELLEMTEL Utvecklings AB Voice: +46 8 727 3893
[lvsj|, Sweden Fax: +46 8 727 42 20
K\R UT JORDINGARNA! - Gr|nt Marsianskt Motst}nd
Harry Fluks
Vietnam; Dutch subscriptions
Message 116 -
1993-09-28 at 09:48:47
Vietnam
~~~~~~~
Anders E.:
> More interesting is perhaps the fact that the main story in US64 (July
> 1966) has *never* been printed here, presumably for political reasons.
> I haven't read it myself, but I've been told that the plot takes place
> in some part of the world with a rather striking resemblance to Vietnam...
That same story ("Treasure of Marco Polo") was never printed in Holland,
*until* 1992. Last year, they managed to reprint it in the Dutch "all Barks
stories" series. It is the ONLY story that has not been printed in the
_regular_ Disney issues.
The story leads the Ducks to Unsteadystan, where a civil war is going on.
Scrooge helps the "rightful" person (prince Char Ming) to regain the throne.
It is not explained why the revolutionaries are in war, they're just BAD. And
the prince is just GOOD, because he is the traditional (hence rightful?)
leader of the country.
Dorfman and Mattelart criticized this story a lot in their book "How to read
Donald Duck" (a socialist view on Disney comics).
Dutch subscriptions
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ROC: if you want a subscription to the Dutch DD Weekly, write to
Klantenservice Donald Duck
Postbus 299
2000 AG Haarlem
Holland
(BTW: ROC, would you turn into a witch if someone throws a magic stone at you?)
--Harry.
~~~~~~~
Anders E.:
> More interesting is perhaps the fact that the main story in US64 (July
> 1966) has *never* been printed here, presumably for political reasons.
> I haven't read it myself, but I've been told that the plot takes place
> in some part of the world with a rather striking resemblance to Vietnam...
That same story ("Treasure of Marco Polo") was never printed in Holland,
*until* 1992. Last year, they managed to reprint it in the Dutch "all Barks
stories" series. It is the ONLY story that has not been printed in the
_regular_ Disney issues.
The story leads the Ducks to Unsteadystan, where a civil war is going on.
Scrooge helps the "rightful" person (prince Char Ming) to regain the throne.
It is not explained why the revolutionaries are in war, they're just BAD. And
the prince is just GOOD, because he is the traditional (hence rightful?)
leader of the country.
Dorfman and Mattelart criticized this story a lot in their book "How to read
Donald Duck" (a socialist view on Disney comics).
Dutch subscriptions
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ROC: if you want a subscription to the Dutch DD Weekly, write to
Klantenservice Donald Duck
Postbus 299
2000 AG Haarlem
Holland
(BTW: ROC, would you turn into a witch if someone throws a magic stone at you?)
--Harry.
Per Starback
We'll get richer faster crackin' eggs!
Message 117 -
1993-09-28 at 13:33:20
The computer I run this mailing list from has been attacked by
crackers and in the aftermath of that it has been inaccessible from
the outside. That is why I haven't been here for awhile, but I'm
happy to see that the list seems to have been working as usual.
So that's the reason why I haven't answered any mail or made archive
updates that I had planned to do during the weekend. If I owe you
mail, just keep waiting! :)
One thing about the archive that I already *did* fix, but forgot to
mention: The files with the old messages were compress with gzip
1.2.4, but at lysator they only had 1.2.3 which couldn't always unzip
them, so the automatic unzipping of those files didn't work. The
bottom line of that is just that if you tried to fetch those files
before and some of them turned out to be garbage, the problem is
probably fixed now. Thanks to Fredrik for telling me about the
problem.
--
Per
crackers and in the aftermath of that it has been inaccessible from
the outside. That is why I haven't been here for awhile, but I'm
happy to see that the list seems to have been working as usual.
So that's the reason why I haven't answered any mail or made archive
updates that I had planned to do during the weekend. If I owe you
mail, just keep waiting! :)
One thing about the archive that I already *did* fix, but forgot to
mention: The files with the old messages were compress with gzip
1.2.4, but at lysator they only had 1.2.3 which couldn't always unzip
them, so the automatic unzipping of those files didn't work. The
bottom line of that is just that if you tried to fetch those files
before and some of them turned out to be garbage, the problem is
probably fixed now. Thanks to Fredrik for telling me about the
problem.
--
Per
David A Gerstein
Disney-comics digest #112.
Message 118 -
1993-09-29 at 02:27:34
Dear Folks,
Only a few comments today.
1. Harry: How much does a subscription to that Dutch weekly
*cost*?? I would love to get it! Just what I need...
2. The story "Treasure of Marco Polo" was reprinted *once*
here, by Whitman in about 1976, I think. It's the violence of the
story, not the politics, apparently, that did it in after that.
Gladstone had planned to print it at the very end of their initial
run, but it didn't see the light of day (whether that's because too
many changes were requested or simply that they couldn't print
everything before the license ran out, I don't know). We will
eventually see it in the CBL album series, of course.
As for why the revolutionaries are at war, it's apparently
pure greed; Barks refers to "Unsteadystan, where every thug wants to
be ruler!" I think this story, which has genuine suspense -- rare in
1960s Barks -- would have been a classic if he'd done something like
it circa 1952. It also wouldn't have been as arch-conservative
politically, as Barks became later on.
Good night, folks.
David Gerstein
"The only way to get ahead of Mickey Mouse is to *run* in
*front* of him!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Only a few comments today.
1. Harry: How much does a subscription to that Dutch weekly
*cost*?? I would love to get it! Just what I need...
2. The story "Treasure of Marco Polo" was reprinted *once*
here, by Whitman in about 1976, I think. It's the violence of the
story, not the politics, apparently, that did it in after that.
Gladstone had planned to print it at the very end of their initial
run, but it didn't see the light of day (whether that's because too
many changes were requested or simply that they couldn't print
everything before the license ran out, I don't know). We will
eventually see it in the CBL album series, of course.
As for why the revolutionaries are at war, it's apparently
pure greed; Barks refers to "Unsteadystan, where every thug wants to
be ruler!" I think this story, which has genuine suspense -- rare in
1960s Barks -- would have been a classic if he'd done something like
it circa 1952. It also wouldn't have been as arch-conservative
politically, as Barks became later on.
Good night, folks.
David Gerstein
"The only way to get ahead of Mickey Mouse is to *run* in
*front* of him!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
David A Gerstein
Diuhleckt
Message 119 -
1993-09-29 at 02:31:17
One other thing:
In England, Goofy speaks like a perfectly normal person! What
a shock...
David Gerstein
"The only way to get ahead of Mickey Mouse is to *run* in
*front* of him!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
In England, Goofy speaks like a perfectly normal person! What
a shock...
David Gerstein
"The only way to get ahead of Mickey Mouse is to *run* in
*front* of him!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Harry Fluks
Dutch DD
Message 120 -
1993-09-29 at 10:19:21
David:
> 1. Harry: How much does a subscription to that Dutch weekly
> *cost*?? I would love to get it! Just what I need...
I think it's 1.75 guilders a week. Would that be one dollar? I don't know
the guilder/dollar rate...
Dutch Donald Duck weekly has not much interesting, these days... Almost all
Barks material has been reprinted (they're re-reprinting some of it). Most
issues have a Danish opening story (usually Vicar), and uninteresting Dutch
fillers. One in a while there's a Dutch opening story, and sometimes it's a
good one. But I haven't seen Jippes in ages.
And there NEVER is a Rosa story in the DD weekly (they are in the monthly
DD Extra; you can't subscribe to that).
There is one thing to look forward to every week: the (Dutch) back cover gag.
They are actually very good, IMHO.
(Do other Dutch members agree?)
--Harry.
> 1. Harry: How much does a subscription to that Dutch weekly
> *cost*?? I would love to get it! Just what I need...
I think it's 1.75 guilders a week. Would that be one dollar? I don't know
the guilder/dollar rate...
Dutch Donald Duck weekly has not much interesting, these days... Almost all
Barks material has been reprinted (they're re-reprinting some of it). Most
issues have a Danish opening story (usually Vicar), and uninteresting Dutch
fillers. One in a while there's a Dutch opening story, and sometimes it's a
good one. But I haven't seen Jippes in ages.
And there NEVER is a Rosa story in the DD weekly (they are in the monthly
DD Extra; you can't subscribe to that).
There is one thing to look forward to every week: the (Dutch) back cover gag.
They are actually very good, IMHO.
(Do other Dutch members agree?)
--Harry.