I wrote:
> Bop, Bop: "A-a man that wouldn't stay dead, Donald!" (page 1)
^^^^^^^^
Oops, It seems like I took a stand on a controversial issue there. :-)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Boppeti Bop! Buppity Bup! Shoeless Pashly!"
Author
Topic: 199309
(132 messages)
Per Starback
Bop, Bop
Message 91 -
1993-09-24 at 01:51:43
David A Gerstein
Disney-comics digest #108.
Message 92 -
1993-09-24 at 03:18:09
Dear Folks,
LO-OO-ONG digest today! Boy, just the kind of thing to top
off my day! Great to hear *so much* from my fellow duck fans... and
the occasional Mouse fan; we can always use *more* you know! (If
anyone here isn't familiar with the works of the great Gatsby -- er,
Gottfredson -- just buy your choice of: WDC&S 582-83, 587-Present;
MM 219-239, 241-244, 246-249, 251-253.)
I'll take ye on one at a time:
Mark Semich: Yeahhh, where *did* you get that quote? I
assumed it was from one of Don Rosa's stories! (And it seemed funny
that I couldn't remember *which* one!)
Ole Reichstein: Swell to hear that someone's found "my"
stories (i. e. the Danish/Dutch stories I've translated). Sadly, I
still haven't dug up the code numbers for any others, but I can give
summaries of a few... maybe you'll know them.
"His Master's Voice" (Branca, maybe in the issues numbered 2.91 or
thereabouts?) (Scrooge as Donald's butler)
"The Hoard at the Rainbow's End" (Verhagen) (Donald travels to
the Oriental country of Onamatapang in search of an empress' treasure)
"Bornworthy's Job" (Branca, circa issue 51.89) (Bornworthy is
trained to deliver mail to snowbound miners)
"E. A. T." (Branca, circa late 1989) (The Beagle Boys steal a
money-eating Alien from Gyro Gearloose)
"The Rarest Dog in the World" (Vicar, *perhaps* D89000)
(Scrooge is in search of a wooly Goat-Hound in feudal Nomoola)
"Bugged by Humbug" (Verhagen) (Donald is swindled by a phony
exterminator)
On one story which I did way back when for *Disney Comics*
(which bought my first three and never printed them... now Gladstone
gets to), I didn't know it at the time but Bob Foster'd already bought
Gary Gabner's version. "A Sense of Humor" (DiDDA 25) was called "All
the World's a Prank" in my version, and excellent as Gabner's version
was, it still meant that my personal favorite line of *any* of my
dialogs will never see print, as no one had any real reason to buy my
version of the story!!! Donald to gym owner Charles Hapless
(which is what I called him) as he sprays him with water from a trick
flower: "Here's where May flowers bring April showers! Getting that
washed-out feeling?"
Wilmer Rivers: Ah, but the quail (formerly an eagle) as
printed in WDC&S 579 was a *giant* quail. (The word "giant" wasn't in
the original, either.) Can't say that'd make him tougher eating,
though. The original version, by the way, is not banned; Disney just
chose to change that one printing. In CBL Album #12 (is that the
one?) the story appears with the eagle staying an eagle. Same exact
color job as WDC&S 579, though.
WDC&S 566 featured the Barks story "Will o' the Wisp" (is that
from WDC&S 159?). In perhaps the most infuriating example of what Len
Wein would do to stories, when Scrooge takes out his "book of devious
strategems," Wein went in and actually lettered that phrase *onto* the
book as its *title*!!!!!!!!!!!! Bob Foster had nothing to do with
that. In the same story, Scrooge's top hat was redrawn so that it
wasn't partially covered by a word balloon in the first panel.
WDC&S 575 featured Barks' Olympic try-out story. The Olympic
Committee blackmailed Disney into paying a hefty fee to them for
permission to use any Olympic-themed stories (Gladstone just printed
some... didn't matter four years earlier!), then insisted on editorial
control, so the story was *butchered*. This one has too many changes
for me to go through right now.
Don Rosa: The earliest story I ever saw your D. U. C. K. in
was "Nobody's Business" (US 220), on some comic book Gladstone was
reading during the story. Were you under the impression Gladstone had
deleted that, or just the one in "Son of the Sun"??
Per Starback: On Gladstone's Carl Barks Heroes and Villains
Trading Card #16 (or whatever the one is for Bombie), the
illustrations from "Voodoo Hoodoo" are the original, unchanged
versions. John Clark tells me he's going to try to coax Disney into
letting him use the original version when the story's printed in his
upcoming Carl Barks Library Album DD One-Shot series, too.
I always imagined Scrooge having a Scottish accent, but not
one half as strong as it is in "DuckTales". Scrooge not only speaks
with some Scottish dialect in OS 186, but also in some of the 1960s
Barks stories, which of all the CB material obviously had the greatest
influence, unfortunately, on "DuckTales".
In England, Goofy doesn't speak in written-out hick dialect, a
real shock to me! As Goofy himself once said about his cousin Arizona
Goof's normal English, "Seems tuh me he got some kind o' speech
impeddyment."
Speaking of speech impediments,
B'dee-b'dee-b'dee... That's all, Folks!
David Gerstein
(Don't get after me for that last bit... Barks did do a Porky
Pig story, after all! And he sure does a *good* Porky!)
LO-OO-ONG digest today! Boy, just the kind of thing to top
off my day! Great to hear *so much* from my fellow duck fans... and
the occasional Mouse fan; we can always use *more* you know! (If
anyone here isn't familiar with the works of the great Gatsby -- er,
Gottfredson -- just buy your choice of: WDC&S 582-83, 587-Present;
MM 219-239, 241-244, 246-249, 251-253.)
I'll take ye on one at a time:
Mark Semich: Yeahhh, where *did* you get that quote? I
assumed it was from one of Don Rosa's stories! (And it seemed funny
that I couldn't remember *which* one!)
Ole Reichstein: Swell to hear that someone's found "my"
stories (i. e. the Danish/Dutch stories I've translated). Sadly, I
still haven't dug up the code numbers for any others, but I can give
summaries of a few... maybe you'll know them.
"His Master's Voice" (Branca, maybe in the issues numbered 2.91 or
thereabouts?) (Scrooge as Donald's butler)
"The Hoard at the Rainbow's End" (Verhagen) (Donald travels to
the Oriental country of Onamatapang in search of an empress' treasure)
"Bornworthy's Job" (Branca, circa issue 51.89) (Bornworthy is
trained to deliver mail to snowbound miners)
"E. A. T." (Branca, circa late 1989) (The Beagle Boys steal a
money-eating Alien from Gyro Gearloose)
"The Rarest Dog in the World" (Vicar, *perhaps* D89000)
(Scrooge is in search of a wooly Goat-Hound in feudal Nomoola)
"Bugged by Humbug" (Verhagen) (Donald is swindled by a phony
exterminator)
On one story which I did way back when for *Disney Comics*
(which bought my first three and never printed them... now Gladstone
gets to), I didn't know it at the time but Bob Foster'd already bought
Gary Gabner's version. "A Sense of Humor" (DiDDA 25) was called "All
the World's a Prank" in my version, and excellent as Gabner's version
was, it still meant that my personal favorite line of *any* of my
dialogs will never see print, as no one had any real reason to buy my
version of the story!!! Donald to gym owner Charles Hapless
(which is what I called him) as he sprays him with water from a trick
flower: "Here's where May flowers bring April showers! Getting that
washed-out feeling?"
Wilmer Rivers: Ah, but the quail (formerly an eagle) as
printed in WDC&S 579 was a *giant* quail. (The word "giant" wasn't in
the original, either.) Can't say that'd make him tougher eating,
though. The original version, by the way, is not banned; Disney just
chose to change that one printing. In CBL Album #12 (is that the
one?) the story appears with the eagle staying an eagle. Same exact
color job as WDC&S 579, though.
WDC&S 566 featured the Barks story "Will o' the Wisp" (is that
from WDC&S 159?). In perhaps the most infuriating example of what Len
Wein would do to stories, when Scrooge takes out his "book of devious
strategems," Wein went in and actually lettered that phrase *onto* the
book as its *title*!!!!!!!!!!!! Bob Foster had nothing to do with
that. In the same story, Scrooge's top hat was redrawn so that it
wasn't partially covered by a word balloon in the first panel.
WDC&S 575 featured Barks' Olympic try-out story. The Olympic
Committee blackmailed Disney into paying a hefty fee to them for
permission to use any Olympic-themed stories (Gladstone just printed
some... didn't matter four years earlier!), then insisted on editorial
control, so the story was *butchered*. This one has too many changes
for me to go through right now.
Don Rosa: The earliest story I ever saw your D. U. C. K. in
was "Nobody's Business" (US 220), on some comic book Gladstone was
reading during the story. Were you under the impression Gladstone had
deleted that, or just the one in "Son of the Sun"??
Per Starback: On Gladstone's Carl Barks Heroes and Villains
Trading Card #16 (or whatever the one is for Bombie), the
illustrations from "Voodoo Hoodoo" are the original, unchanged
versions. John Clark tells me he's going to try to coax Disney into
letting him use the original version when the story's printed in his
upcoming Carl Barks Library Album DD One-Shot series, too.
I always imagined Scrooge having a Scottish accent, but not
one half as strong as it is in "DuckTales". Scrooge not only speaks
with some Scottish dialect in OS 186, but also in some of the 1960s
Barks stories, which of all the CB material obviously had the greatest
influence, unfortunately, on "DuckTales".
In England, Goofy doesn't speak in written-out hick dialect, a
real shock to me! As Goofy himself once said about his cousin Arizona
Goof's normal English, "Seems tuh me he got some kind o' speech
impeddyment."
Speaking of speech impediments,
B'dee-b'dee-b'dee... That's all, Folks!
David Gerstein
(Don't get after me for that last bit... Barks did do a Porky
Pig story, after all! And he sure does a *good* Porky!)
Fredrik Ekman
List of Lists
Message 93 -
1993-09-24 at 04:16:26
H'lo!
Yesterday, I found a rather interesting List of Lists on r.a.d.
This list obviously contained all the lists that appears more or
less regularily on r.a.d and some others as well (two of them
maintained by our own Andy Krieg, btw). And of course, none of
the lists included any info about comics. I have now taken the
liberty of informing the List of Lists maintainer about the
existence of our group and our FTP archive, so now it is up to
him if he wants to include "our" lists and indexes or not.
I also thought that this would be a good idea to announce our
existence on r.a.d, perhaps as a reply to abovementioned list.
I believe that this has been done before, but that was some time
ago, right? Unfortunately I cannot do this myself as I can
currently only read news, not post anything.
So I toss the ball over to you.
/Fredrik
email: d91fe at ide.ide.hk-r.se
Yesterday, I found a rather interesting List of Lists on r.a.d.
This list obviously contained all the lists that appears more or
less regularily on r.a.d and some others as well (two of them
maintained by our own Andy Krieg, btw). And of course, none of
the lists included any info about comics. I have now taken the
liberty of informing the List of Lists maintainer about the
existence of our group and our FTP archive, so now it is up to
him if he wants to include "our" lists and indexes or not.
I also thought that this would be a good idea to announce our
existence on r.a.d, perhaps as a reply to abovementioned list.
I believe that this has been done before, but that was some time
ago, right? Unfortunately I cannot do this myself as I can
currently only read news, not post anything.
So I toss the ball over to you.
/Fredrik
email: d91fe at ide.ide.hk-r.se
Anders Berglund
Voices
Message 94 -
1993-09-24 at 15:10:49
Some people have said (or written - Wonder what they sound like?)
several things about Scrooge's accent, e. g.:
>
> Mark asked about how we think Scrooge sounds:
> > When I first read Uncle Scrooge comics in my youth, I heard Scrooge in
> > my head with an American accent.
>
---
> Note Scrooge speech in The Old Castle's Secret where Barks first
> told us of Scrooge's Scottish heritage, by the way! He calls the boys
> lads repeatedly, and says "aye" instead of yes.
> -- "
> Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
I just want to add that there is a reference to Scrooge's accent in
Mystery of the Swamp (if I remember the title right; what I mean is the
mid-sixties US story with the Brutopian consul and the little box that
makes dogs able to grasp integral calculus...; Tr|stl|sa Tr{sket i Swedish).
It's when Donald meets Scrooge, who doesn't remember who he is. After having
been told that this old duck is not at all his uncle, but a "senor Pato",
Donald looks bewildered after him, thinking that "he sure sounded like
Scrooge - the same broad Duckburg accent"
(or something to that extent; This is taken from my memory version of the
Swedish translation).
Anders Berglund, Stockholm, Sweden.
several things about Scrooge's accent, e. g.:
>
> Mark asked about how we think Scrooge sounds:
> > When I first read Uncle Scrooge comics in my youth, I heard Scrooge in
> > my head with an American accent.
>
---
> Note Scrooge speech in The Old Castle's Secret where Barks first
> told us of Scrooge's Scottish heritage, by the way! He calls the boys
> lads repeatedly, and says "aye" instead of yes.
> -- "
> Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
I just want to add that there is a reference to Scrooge's accent in
Mystery of the Swamp (if I remember the title right; what I mean is the
mid-sixties US story with the Brutopian consul and the little box that
makes dogs able to grasp integral calculus...; Tr|stl|sa Tr{sket i Swedish).
It's when Donald meets Scrooge, who doesn't remember who he is. After having
been told that this old duck is not at all his uncle, but a "senor Pato",
Donald looks bewildered after him, thinking that "he sure sounded like
Scrooge - the same broad Duckburg accent"
(or something to that extent; This is taken from my memory version of the
Swedish translation).
Anders Berglund, Stockholm, Sweden.
Harry Fluks
Replies part 1
Message 95 -
1993-09-24 at 15:12:54
I have only been away for 2 days and there's a lot of traffic on the list!
I'll reply to some now, in separate mails.
Don Rosa:
> The balloon in "Voodoo Hoodoo" was not in the form of your note.
> It wasn't "Hey, Bop! Bop, what is...". It was "Hey, Bop, Bop! What
> is..." That seems clear that the fellas name is "Bop Bop" or (for
> whatever reason) "Bop, Bop". I guess the reason that I need to bounce
> around such trivia is that I might have needed to use that guy (?) in my
> "Life" series, at which time it would have become very important to
> figure this out!
Same reason for me: I wanted to make sure sobody made a mistake about this
before David would use the character in a story.
I'm convinced now 8-)
> And, Harry, there's nothing wrong with your English! (...)
> as a group, I look askance at semi-literates.
I'll have to look up the word 'askance' in a dictionary 8-)
--Harry.
"So solly! Me no speakee lingo!"
I'll reply to some now, in separate mails.
Don Rosa:
> The balloon in "Voodoo Hoodoo" was not in the form of your note.
> It wasn't "Hey, Bop! Bop, what is...". It was "Hey, Bop, Bop! What
> is..." That seems clear that the fellas name is "Bop Bop" or (for
> whatever reason) "Bop, Bop". I guess the reason that I need to bounce
> around such trivia is that I might have needed to use that guy (?) in my
> "Life" series, at which time it would have become very important to
> figure this out!
Same reason for me: I wanted to make sure sobody made a mistake about this
before David would use the character in a story.
I'm convinced now 8-)
> And, Harry, there's nothing wrong with your English! (...)
> as a group, I look askance at semi-literates.
I'll have to look up the word 'askance' in a dictionary 8-)
--Harry.
"So solly! Me no speakee lingo!"
Harry Fluks
Replies part x
Message 96 -
1993-09-24 at 16:30:11
Bad stories
~~~~~~~~~~~
About Minnie's nieces, Per wrote:
> Nadir? I seems like the idea of
> nieces for Minnie has a tendency to appear when bad Mouse stories are
> made. The only reason this Molly (a single niece) is remembered here
> is because the Norwegian book Donaldismen (The Donaldism) by Jon Gisle
> made her the symbol of the bad stories in Scandinavia in the
> mid-sixties.
David once told me that some D-coded stories were bad... you should see
THESE stories! They appear to have been drawn by Jim Fletcher. Now that
he was described on this list, let's FORGET all about him and continue
with the stories that are really worth talking about...
Good stories
~~~~~~~~~~~~
About my favourite stories: I think I once stated that the "Cornelius Coot
statue" story was my favourite 10-page Barks story. I'm not good at explaining
why.
My favourite Gottfredson story is "Medioka". And I chose that story long before
I knew all the backgrounds of it.
My favourite Rosa story is "His Majesty, McDuck", though "Return to Xanadu" is
a close 2nd.
My favourite Jippes story is the one from the very first Gladstone WDC issue,
about the charity club. I think that story deserves a USA reprint in much
better colouring!
Maybe needless to say: my favourite Disney comic artists are Barks, Jippes,
Gottfredson, Rosa (in that order).
About me
~~~~~~~~
I'm 31 years old. I have studied econometrics (with lots of computer
science) at the university of Groningen. I now work at the research
department of the Dutch mail and telephone company (PTT).
As a kid I read more books than comics, but I did read a lot of comics
as well. I read no super heroes though, what I read was mostly Disney
and European comics like Tintin, Lucky Luke, and Asterix. Later I added
lots of non-kiddie comics, but that was after reading comic fanzines and
visiting conventions which sort of made me yet more interested in comics in
general.
I was specially interested in Disney (a bit animation, but much more comics),
and I read what I could find on the subject. The first time I learned
about Carl Barks was in the foreword of the Dutch "Beste Verhalen van
Donald Duck" #4. One year later, I read the Dutch "Barks Boek" by Rob
Stechweij. It gave a (largely erratic) index on all Barks stories.
Since then, I tried to make my own index, which became computerised in 1983,
and public (on our ftp site) in 1992/1993.
Only in 1986, when I moved from Groningen to Leidschendam (near The Hague),
I found out that in the cities in this area in Holland, there were some
comic specialty shops that sold American comics, like Gladstone comics.
Nowadays I try to read all my Disney material in sequence: when I'm finished
with the last issue, I start again with the first. Such a cycle can take 2 or
3 years...
I have a subscription to the Dutch Donald Duck, and I only buy foreign
Disney comics (German, USA) if they contain interesting stories. Since my
Barks, Jippes and Gottfredson collections are a good as complete, I have much
fun in trying to get a complete Rosa collection.
I try to collect Disney comic stories, but not at all cost: I have a sort of
maximum price per page. If a comic is considered rare and expensive, I try to
get a reprint. I'm collecting comic STORIES, not comic ISSUES.
Other hobbies include reading and geography (which means finding out where
Mount Rosa is etc.)
(Maybe this text looks familiar to you? Discover the differences with Per's!)
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (NL) (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
(a quote few people 'outside' understand, but which honours both
Carl and Don. Per once pointed out this joke on this list.)
~~~~~~~~~~~
About Minnie's nieces, Per wrote:
> Nadir? I seems like the idea of
> nieces for Minnie has a tendency to appear when bad Mouse stories are
> made. The only reason this Molly (a single niece) is remembered here
> is because the Norwegian book Donaldismen (The Donaldism) by Jon Gisle
> made her the symbol of the bad stories in Scandinavia in the
> mid-sixties.
David once told me that some D-coded stories were bad... you should see
THESE stories! They appear to have been drawn by Jim Fletcher. Now that
he was described on this list, let's FORGET all about him and continue
with the stories that are really worth talking about...
Good stories
~~~~~~~~~~~~
About my favourite stories: I think I once stated that the "Cornelius Coot
statue" story was my favourite 10-page Barks story. I'm not good at explaining
why.
My favourite Gottfredson story is "Medioka". And I chose that story long before
I knew all the backgrounds of it.
My favourite Rosa story is "His Majesty, McDuck", though "Return to Xanadu" is
a close 2nd.
My favourite Jippes story is the one from the very first Gladstone WDC issue,
about the charity club. I think that story deserves a USA reprint in much
better colouring!
Maybe needless to say: my favourite Disney comic artists are Barks, Jippes,
Gottfredson, Rosa (in that order).
About me
~~~~~~~~
I'm 31 years old. I have studied econometrics (with lots of computer
science) at the university of Groningen. I now work at the research
department of the Dutch mail and telephone company (PTT).
As a kid I read more books than comics, but I did read a lot of comics
as well. I read no super heroes though, what I read was mostly Disney
and European comics like Tintin, Lucky Luke, and Asterix. Later I added
lots of non-kiddie comics, but that was after reading comic fanzines and
visiting conventions which sort of made me yet more interested in comics in
general.
I was specially interested in Disney (a bit animation, but much more comics),
and I read what I could find on the subject. The first time I learned
about Carl Barks was in the foreword of the Dutch "Beste Verhalen van
Donald Duck" #4. One year later, I read the Dutch "Barks Boek" by Rob
Stechweij. It gave a (largely erratic) index on all Barks stories.
Since then, I tried to make my own index, which became computerised in 1983,
and public (on our ftp site) in 1992/1993.
Only in 1986, when I moved from Groningen to Leidschendam (near The Hague),
I found out that in the cities in this area in Holland, there were some
comic specialty shops that sold American comics, like Gladstone comics.
Nowadays I try to read all my Disney material in sequence: when I'm finished
with the last issue, I start again with the first. Such a cycle can take 2 or
3 years...
I have a subscription to the Dutch Donald Duck, and I only buy foreign
Disney comics (German, USA) if they contain interesting stories. Since my
Barks, Jippes and Gottfredson collections are a good as complete, I have much
fun in trying to get a complete Rosa collection.
I try to collect Disney comic stories, but not at all cost: I have a sort of
maximum price per page. If a comic is considered rare and expensive, I try to
get a reprint. I'm collecting comic STORIES, not comic ISSUES.
Other hobbies include reading and geography (which means finding out where
Mount Rosa is etc.)
(Maybe this text looks familiar to you? Discover the differences with Per's!)
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (NL) (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
(a quote few people 'outside' understand, but which honours both
Carl and Don. Per once pointed out this joke on this list.)
Harry Fluks
Replies part x+1
Message 97 -
1993-09-24 at 16:38:47
Wilmer, about the Turkey hunt story, WDC 87:
> When this
> story is reprinted in Europe, is it still an "eagle" there or does
> Disney require it to be edited? Is killing an eagle punished as harshly
> in Europe as it is in the USA, and does that matter to Disney?
It is an eagle in Holland. I think killing an eagle is not different from
killing other birds of the same kind, here. There is no extra punishment
for killing a symbol.
> Will someone please tell me (lie, if necessary) that I'm
> not the oldest person in this group? I'm 44 (...)
What a relief! I thought I was the oldest on the list (31). I'm glad you
told your age. Now I can go back to reading my comics without feeling
guilty...
(Sorry Wilmer, I'm not good at lying.)
--Harry.
> When this
> story is reprinted in Europe, is it still an "eagle" there or does
> Disney require it to be edited? Is killing an eagle punished as harshly
> in Europe as it is in the USA, and does that matter to Disney?
It is an eagle in Holland. I think killing an eagle is not different from
killing other birds of the same kind, here. There is no extra punishment
for killing a symbol.
> Will someone please tell me (lie, if necessary) that I'm
> not the oldest person in this group? I'm 44 (...)
What a relief! I thought I was the oldest on the list (31). I'm glad you
told your age. Now I can go back to reading my comics without feeling
guilty...
(Sorry Wilmer, I'm not good at lying.)
--Harry.
Harry Fluks
Replies part 4 (= x + 2)
Message 98 -
1993-09-24 at 16:44:20
Don Rosa, about the "D.U.C.K." in his stories:
> That dedication has been in every story I've ever done, in the
> splash (first) panel after the first 2 stories... but early on at both
> Gladstone and Egmont the editors removed it. Now that I hide it and have
> explained what it is, it is no longer removed. I also started putting it
> on the covers as well, beginning with the covers I did for Disney Comics
> a few years ago.
Yes, you said in the album "Donald & Scrooge": "I even hid it in the new
cover". I have looked at that cover many times, but I CAN'T FIND the @#$%
thing! Did you hide it behind some money bags or what?
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (NL) (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!" (D.U.K.H.)
> That dedication has been in every story I've ever done, in the
> splash (first) panel after the first 2 stories... but early on at both
> Gladstone and Egmont the editors removed it. Now that I hide it and have
> explained what it is, it is no longer removed. I also started putting it
> on the covers as well, beginning with the covers I did for Disney Comics
> a few years ago.
Yes, you said in the album "Donald & Scrooge": "I even hid it in the new
cover". I have looked at that cover many times, but I CAN'T FIND the @#$%
thing! Did you hide it behind some money bags or what?
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (NL) (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!" (D.U.K.H.)
Harry Fluks
Replies part 5
Message 99 -
1993-09-24 at 16:49:59
Andy:
> I have only seen the Gladstone version of Bombie. Where can I look to
> see the original Barks' version?
Per:
> You'd have to look in the original Donald Duch One Shot #238 I guess.
Or look at a foreign reprint, of course. Voodoo Hoodoo has been reprinted
in a more original form (but translated, of course) in Holland and
Germany, at least.
> Of course I don't have that by the way. According to Barrier's book
> the editors substituted "done for" for "dead" on page 1 and 22 of that
> story (but left "dead" unchanged on page 6). It seems like Another
> Rainbow redone those changes at least
Yes, they did, and they explained this in the Gladstone Album where it was
reprinted. It's funny that this kind of explanations were not in the CBL,
only in the albums. They didn't even mention the censoring in the CBL,
although a model sheet drawing of Bombie is shown in its original form.
--Harry.
> I have only seen the Gladstone version of Bombie. Where can I look to
> see the original Barks' version?
Per:
> You'd have to look in the original Donald Duch One Shot #238 I guess.
Or look at a foreign reprint, of course. Voodoo Hoodoo has been reprinted
in a more original form (but translated, of course) in Holland and
Germany, at least.
> Of course I don't have that by the way. According to Barrier's book
> the editors substituted "done for" for "dead" on page 1 and 22 of that
> story (but left "dead" unchanged on page 6). It seems like Another
> Rainbow redone those changes at least
Yes, they did, and they explained this in the Gladstone Album where it was
reprinted. It's funny that this kind of explanations were not in the CBL,
only in the albums. They didn't even mention the censoring in the CBL,
although a model sheet drawing of Bombie is shown in its original form.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks
Replies part 6
Message 100 -
1993-09-24 at 17:01:23
David:
> Ole Reichstein: Swell to hear that someone's found "my"
> stories (i. e. the Danish/Dutch stories I've translated). Sadly, I
> still haven't dug up the code numbers for any others, but I can give
> summaries of a few... maybe you'll know them.
I found some:
> "The Hoard at the Rainbow's End" (Verhagen) (Donald travels to
> the Oriental country of Onamatapang in search of an empress' treasure)
H 84133, 20 pages, text by Jan Kruse.
> "Bornworthy's Job" (Branca, circa issue 51.89) (Bornworthy is
> trained to deliver mail to snowbound miners)
D 88121, 8 pages.
> "Bugged by Humbug" (Verhagen) (Donald is swindled by a phony
> exterminator)
H 86117, 10 pages.
> B'dee-b'dee-b'dee... That's all, Folks!
>
> (Don't get after me for that last bit... Barks did do a Porky
> Pig story, after all! And he sure does a *good* Porky!)
The story was good, but the art wasn't all Barks! The editor let someone
else redraw all the heads of Porky, Petunia and Bugs, because Barks's heads
weren't good enough! That's one reason that Barks never did a Porky Pig
again.
--Harry.
> Ole Reichstein: Swell to hear that someone's found "my"
> stories (i. e. the Danish/Dutch stories I've translated). Sadly, I
> still haven't dug up the code numbers for any others, but I can give
> summaries of a few... maybe you'll know them.
I found some:
> "The Hoard at the Rainbow's End" (Verhagen) (Donald travels to
> the Oriental country of Onamatapang in search of an empress' treasure)
H 84133, 20 pages, text by Jan Kruse.
> "Bornworthy's Job" (Branca, circa issue 51.89) (Bornworthy is
> trained to deliver mail to snowbound miners)
D 88121, 8 pages.
> "Bugged by Humbug" (Verhagen) (Donald is swindled by a phony
> exterminator)
H 86117, 10 pages.
> B'dee-b'dee-b'dee... That's all, Folks!
>
> (Don't get after me for that last bit... Barks did do a Porky
> Pig story, after all! And he sure does a *good* Porky!)
The story was good, but the art wasn't all Barks! The editor let someone
else redraw all the heads of Porky, Petunia and Bugs, because Barks's heads
weren't good enough! That's one reason that Barks never did a Porky Pig
again.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks
Replies part 7 (final part)
Message 101 -
1993-09-24 at 17:13:33
Ole Reichstein Nielsen (ROC) [Welcome!]:
> I did my first index in '78 and it took another couple of years before I found
> out that it should be titled 'Barks'.
Back in 1977, I made a list of the best Donald Duck stories I knew then. Later,
12 out of 15 stories came out to be Barks stories (and I only knew stories
from the 60s then!). The others were 2 Strobls and a Hubbard (yes Per, a
HUBBARD story).
> I happen to have the Danish publications of most of those upcoming translations
> by David Gerstein (Yo, Dave:)
>
> H 83120 "A Car-Gone Conclusion" - AA 12B/89
Script by Ruud Straatman.
> HELP: (that's an offer)
>
> I have indexes of all the Danish AA&Co, (up to '82 from "Carl Barks & Co.")
> The last couple of years are in ASCII, another 10 years is in unintelligible
> crayola-on-A4. (I _did_ manage to find those above!) Would you like them
> translated? All of them? And should I try to identify ALL the artists, not
> just the good (American and Dutch) ones?
I LOVE to see indexes! I can't wait to see it, when the ftp site is 'up'
again...
BTW, about indexes: Fredrik made some contributions to our Disney Comics
index. A new version can be expected next week.
And David is working on a Gottfredson sunday pages index.
> HELP: (that's a request)
>
> I am also interested in subscriptions on Dutch and, possibly, Finnish Donald
> Duck weeklies, could anyone help me with that?
I can give you the address of the Dutch editor, but I don't have it here
right now. Next time.
--Harry.
> I did my first index in '78 and it took another couple of years before I found
> out that it should be titled 'Barks'.
Back in 1977, I made a list of the best Donald Duck stories I knew then. Later,
12 out of 15 stories came out to be Barks stories (and I only knew stories
from the 60s then!). The others were 2 Strobls and a Hubbard (yes Per, a
HUBBARD story).
> I happen to have the Danish publications of most of those upcoming translations
> by David Gerstein (Yo, Dave:)
>
> H 83120 "A Car-Gone Conclusion" - AA 12B/89
Script by Ruud Straatman.
> HELP: (that's an offer)
>
> I have indexes of all the Danish AA&Co, (up to '82 from "Carl Barks & Co.")
> The last couple of years are in ASCII, another 10 years is in unintelligible
> crayola-on-A4. (I _did_ manage to find those above!) Would you like them
> translated? All of them? And should I try to identify ALL the artists, not
> just the good (American and Dutch) ones?
I LOVE to see indexes! I can't wait to see it, when the ftp site is 'up'
again...
BTW, about indexes: Fredrik made some contributions to our Disney Comics
index. A new version can be expected next week.
And David is working on a Gottfredson sunday pages index.
> HELP: (that's a request)
>
> I am also interested in subscriptions on Dutch and, possibly, Finnish Donald
> Duck weeklies, could anyone help me with that?
I can give you the address of the Dutch editor, but I don't have it here
right now. Next time.
--Harry.
David A Gerstein
Disney-comics digest #108.
Message 102 -
1993-09-24 at 19:17:33
Dear Don (and everyone),
You asked for critical comments about your stories. I have to
admit I have very few -- most of which I've already asked about. But
here's one that's been nagging at me:
"The Money Pit"'s artwork has mysteriously thicker, blunter
lines in its artwork in many places. The Ducks also look more
angst-ridden, nervous and harsh than they do most of the time, right
from Donald's picture in the opening splash. The whole story is just
somehow slightly more abrasive. (Even the coins in the bin look less
round, in effect "sharper" than usual.)
This is the only story that I have seen that looks this way.
In contrast to the letter that inspired this one, I actually find War
of the Wendigo to be my *favorite* art among your stories, essentially
because its linework seems smoother and more supple, particularly in
the last few pages.
Does the "Money Pit" art reflect your general disgust with
the management at Disney and your doubt that they would "see the
light" and agree
after that to return your art (which was well-founded doubt, as said
management didn't change their ways for approximately 30 months after
that)? I'm just wondering.
And... where's the D. U. C. K. on your two published Gladstone
covers so far? (Well, okay, DDA #23 has been printed now, but hasn't
made it to Williamstown yet)
I'm also interested in other digest-reader responses to this,
so I'm sending it to the digest in general.
Sincerely,
David Gerstein
"They can have it! I'll take vanilla!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
You asked for critical comments about your stories. I have to
admit I have very few -- most of which I've already asked about. But
here's one that's been nagging at me:
"The Money Pit"'s artwork has mysteriously thicker, blunter
lines in its artwork in many places. The Ducks also look more
angst-ridden, nervous and harsh than they do most of the time, right
from Donald's picture in the opening splash. The whole story is just
somehow slightly more abrasive. (Even the coins in the bin look less
round, in effect "sharper" than usual.)
This is the only story that I have seen that looks this way.
In contrast to the letter that inspired this one, I actually find War
of the Wendigo to be my *favorite* art among your stories, essentially
because its linework seems smoother and more supple, particularly in
the last few pages.
Does the "Money Pit" art reflect your general disgust with
the management at Disney and your doubt that they would "see the
light" and agree
after that to return your art (which was well-founded doubt, as said
management didn't change their ways for approximately 30 months after
that)? I'm just wondering.
And... where's the D. U. C. K. on your two published Gladstone
covers so far? (Well, okay, DDA #23 has been printed now, but hasn't
made it to Williamstown yet)
I'm also interested in other digest-reader responses to this,
so I'm sending it to the digest in general.
Sincerely,
David Gerstein
"They can have it! I'll take vanilla!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Mark Semich
D.U.C.K.? (was Replies part 4 (= x + 2))
Message 103 -
1993-09-24 at 19:49:27
>From: Harry Fluks <H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl>
>Don Rosa, about the "D.U.C.K." in his stories:
>> That dedication has been in every story I've ever done, in the
>> splash (first) panel after the first 2 stories... but early on at both
>> Gladstone and Egmont the editors removed it.
Does this mean that your story in which Gladstone founds Gladstone
Comics is one of your first two? As someone else recently pointed
out, the "D.U.C.K" is in the last panel, not on the splash.
>> Now that I hide it and have
>> explained what it is, it is no longer removed. I also started putting it
>> on the covers as well, beginning with the covers I did for Disney Comics
>> a few years ago.
>
>Yes, you said in the album "Donald & Scrooge": "I even hid it in the new
>cover". I have looked at that cover many times, but I CAN'T FIND the @#$%
>thing! Did you hide it behind some money bags or what?
Don must have become *very* adept at hiding it - I've been looking for
the dedication on "Donald and Scrooge" for quite a while and have been
unable to locate it.
I also can't find it on the cover of Gladstone's latest "Donald Duck
Adventures", #23. Did anyone have any luck on this one?
>Don Rosa, about the "D.U.C.K." in his stories:
>> That dedication has been in every story I've ever done, in the
>> splash (first) panel after the first 2 stories... but early on at both
>> Gladstone and Egmont the editors removed it.
Does this mean that your story in which Gladstone founds Gladstone
Comics is one of your first two? As someone else recently pointed
out, the "D.U.C.K" is in the last panel, not on the splash.
>> Now that I hide it and have
>> explained what it is, it is no longer removed. I also started putting it
>> on the covers as well, beginning with the covers I did for Disney Comics
>> a few years ago.
>
>Yes, you said in the album "Donald & Scrooge": "I even hid it in the new
>cover". I have looked at that cover many times, but I CAN'T FIND the @#$%
>thing! Did you hide it behind some money bags or what?
Don must have become *very* adept at hiding it - I've been looking for
the dedication on "Donald and Scrooge" for quite a while and have been
unable to locate it.
I also can't find it on the cover of Gladstone's latest "Donald Duck
Adventures", #23. Did anyone have any luck on this one?
Gadducci
Gawsh... (*LONG*)
Message 104 -
1993-09-25 at 18:03:34
... the number of messages you receive in 10 days is almost incredible!!
Lot more than those received from CATEGORIES or CONCURRENCY mailing lists!!
Mmmmmh, maybe there is a deep meaning on this...
Ok, let's go!!
A long time ago, Per wrote (to Harry)
>
>So you never got Becattini's Dell Index? When I ordered the daily
>strip index from the same source nothing happened for a long time. I
>wrote a letter about once every three months asking about it, and then
>out of the blue when I'd almost lost my hope I suddenly got it. Maybe
>you should write them and remind them? (Not that I know if that
>helped, though.)
>
>Well, I know nothing about Jim Fletcher except what is said in that
>book so I can't say anything about his drawing style, but he did many
>of the Mim & Magica stories, so he might be the one you're looking
>for. Becattini writes:
>
[stuff deleted]
>
>I think we mentioned his name here before when this very text was our
>source for Molly's English name. The easiest thing to look up of
>those things seems to be DD 85, but I don't have it. It's not in the
>Dell Index, as that's the first non-Dell Donald Duck, and the DD#85
>entry in Kjell Crone's index is incomplete, so I don't know where it's
>published here in Sweden either, and there is nothing with code DD 85
>in your Dutch index. Oh, well... Fabio seems to know more about him,
>right?
Well... I had in mind exactly the Dell Index by Becattini, since it is one
of the few books that is not in a box (I'm still moving), but I'm almost
sure that you can get more information on the Comic-Book encyclopedia by
Ron Goulart (a Fact on File publication, I think to remember...).
And talking about books on Disney comics: I actually live near Florence
(you were right, Harry), and the owner of Al Fumetto Club is a friend of
mine. So, if you are interested in any of his books (the publishing house
is Glamour, same owner of the store), tell me!! (Btw, I could get them with
a little discount... ;-).
Besides, should the books list include only English-language stuff? Or, as
Harry suggested, even references in other languages? Obviously, I have in
mind MANY Italian books...
Now about my favourite stories... Well, I do not think I can list only TEN
stories... Maybe my Barks' favourite one is the full version of "Back to
the Klondike" (if I HAD to decide), and that is probably my favourite duck
story, too, even if there are at least a couple of Italian (which are
linked to my childhood) by Romano Scarpa (Zio Paperone e le lenticchie di
Babilonia) and Pezzin-Cavazzano (Paperino e l'isola vulcano) which are
close enough...
(ok, go on: flame me :-)
And for Gottfredson... well, surely Island in the Sky from the Thirties,
but his best stuff is maybe from the Forties (even if I do not remember the
English titles...). More on this next time... :-)
About the DYSNEYANA querelle: well, my point of view is quite different
from all thre others, since in Italy the Disney cartoons are not well know,
and a duck fan is usually a comics fan... Besides, the Disney fan is
usually older and wiser (:-) than the other kinds of comic books fan:
actually, the target of Disney comics here in Italy is very differentiated,
while the large part of teenagers (the *ignorant* crowd) are superheroes
(or manga, maybe) zombies... Anyway, Don is perfectly right: he describes
very well the average comics fan...
Scottish accent? I was absolutely sure he talked in a plain Italian... :-)
Finally, who I am... My complete name is Fabio Gadducci, and I am a 27
years-old Ph.D. student in Computer Science at the University of Pisa. I
read, collected, worship... ehm, read AND collected comic books (not only
Disney's) for all my sentient life: there should be almost ten thousand in
my collection...
(Only Yummi Fur? What about Fantagraphics, Per?)
When I do not read comics (and sci-fi books - tons of those, too) or study
I WRITE on these topics (and now you obviously understand that you are
talking with a lunatic) since I am a regular contributor to some newszines
and fanzines here in Italy...
I recently joined this mailing list, and I started feeling envious of all
of you who can read Life of $crooge (Grrrrrrr....)
Well, we are starting to be too much *too long* here, and I'll cut down:
more on Italian political correctness next time... :-)
Fabio
================================================================
Fabio Gadducci Dip. di Informatica
Universita` di Pisa
Tel. +39-50-510268 Corso Italia 40, 56100 PISA (ITALY)
FAX: +39-50-510226 E-mail:gadducci at di.unipi.it
================================================================
Lot more than those received from CATEGORIES or CONCURRENCY mailing lists!!
Mmmmmh, maybe there is a deep meaning on this...
Ok, let's go!!
A long time ago, Per wrote (to Harry)
>
>So you never got Becattini's Dell Index? When I ordered the daily
>strip index from the same source nothing happened for a long time. I
>wrote a letter about once every three months asking about it, and then
>out of the blue when I'd almost lost my hope I suddenly got it. Maybe
>you should write them and remind them? (Not that I know if that
>helped, though.)
>
>Well, I know nothing about Jim Fletcher except what is said in that
>book so I can't say anything about his drawing style, but he did many
>of the Mim & Magica stories, so he might be the one you're looking
>for. Becattini writes:
>
[stuff deleted]
>
>I think we mentioned his name here before when this very text was our
>source for Molly's English name. The easiest thing to look up of
>those things seems to be DD 85, but I don't have it. It's not in the
>Dell Index, as that's the first non-Dell Donald Duck, and the DD#85
>entry in Kjell Crone's index is incomplete, so I don't know where it's
>published here in Sweden either, and there is nothing with code DD 85
>in your Dutch index. Oh, well... Fabio seems to know more about him,
>right?
Well... I had in mind exactly the Dell Index by Becattini, since it is one
of the few books that is not in a box (I'm still moving), but I'm almost
sure that you can get more information on the Comic-Book encyclopedia by
Ron Goulart (a Fact on File publication, I think to remember...).
And talking about books on Disney comics: I actually live near Florence
(you were right, Harry), and the owner of Al Fumetto Club is a friend of
mine. So, if you are interested in any of his books (the publishing house
is Glamour, same owner of the store), tell me!! (Btw, I could get them with
a little discount... ;-).
Besides, should the books list include only English-language stuff? Or, as
Harry suggested, even references in other languages? Obviously, I have in
mind MANY Italian books...
Now about my favourite stories... Well, I do not think I can list only TEN
stories... Maybe my Barks' favourite one is the full version of "Back to
the Klondike" (if I HAD to decide), and that is probably my favourite duck
story, too, even if there are at least a couple of Italian (which are
linked to my childhood) by Romano Scarpa (Zio Paperone e le lenticchie di
Babilonia) and Pezzin-Cavazzano (Paperino e l'isola vulcano) which are
close enough...
(ok, go on: flame me :-)
And for Gottfredson... well, surely Island in the Sky from the Thirties,
but his best stuff is maybe from the Forties (even if I do not remember the
English titles...). More on this next time... :-)
About the DYSNEYANA querelle: well, my point of view is quite different
from all thre others, since in Italy the Disney cartoons are not well know,
and a duck fan is usually a comics fan... Besides, the Disney fan is
usually older and wiser (:-) than the other kinds of comic books fan:
actually, the target of Disney comics here in Italy is very differentiated,
while the large part of teenagers (the *ignorant* crowd) are superheroes
(or manga, maybe) zombies... Anyway, Don is perfectly right: he describes
very well the average comics fan...
Scottish accent? I was absolutely sure he talked in a plain Italian... :-)
Finally, who I am... My complete name is Fabio Gadducci, and I am a 27
years-old Ph.D. student in Computer Science at the University of Pisa. I
read, collected, worship... ehm, read AND collected comic books (not only
Disney's) for all my sentient life: there should be almost ten thousand in
my collection...
(Only Yummi Fur? What about Fantagraphics, Per?)
When I do not read comics (and sci-fi books - tons of those, too) or study
I WRITE on these topics (and now you obviously understand that you are
talking with a lunatic) since I am a regular contributor to some newszines
and fanzines here in Italy...
I recently joined this mailing list, and I started feeling envious of all
of you who can read Life of $crooge (Grrrrrrr....)
Well, we are starting to be too much *too long* here, and I'll cut down:
more on Italian political correctness next time... :-)
Fabio
================================================================
Fabio Gadducci Dip. di Informatica
Universita` di Pisa
Tel. +39-50-510268 Corso Italia 40, 56100 PISA (ITALY)
FAX: +39-50-510226 E-mail:gadducci at di.unipi.it
================================================================
David A Gerstein
Disney-comics digest #109.
Message 105 -
1993-09-26 at 03:05:24
Dear Folks:
The "D. U. C. K." on Disney Comics' "DONALD AND SCROOGE" is
very hard to find, but it can be found nonetheless. Turn the comic 90
degrees. Now look at the treasure chest (or one of the wooden objects
on the cover, I'm not sure)...
But wherever the "D. U. C. K" is on US 281 completely eludes
me!!! I'm stuck!
Harry... *boy*, I envy you, having as good as all of the
Gottfredson stories! As of this summer I have every existing reprint
in English, but as any fan who does a little research will find out,
that's only about 1/3 of the stories. I have some others in 1940s
Dell printings, but they're in serial form and thus missing chapters
here and there. (I *do* have "Goofy and Agnes" complete... and in the
single week that Bob Karp wrote, Mickey suddenly gets Donald's
temper!!!)
I was so bothered that I didn't have Dell's complete printing
of "The 'Lectro Box" (this was about Feb. 1991) that I began to pester
Bob Foster to see it printed. That's essentially how I *really* got
to know him (only brief conversations took place before that). Soon
he indeed printed "The 'Lectro Box" for me! (That being WDC&S 568).
Who's Jim Fletcher? As far as I'm concerned, the worst Disney
artist of all time is Stan Walsh who drew MM and "The Robot Army"
which somehow, Bob Foster got several requests for and ran in WDC&S
574-77. This story contains the ugliest version of Mickey and Goofy
that I've ever seen... well, the ugliest Goofy, anyway (Mickey looks
pretty bad in some Dick Moores stories, too).
I have tracked down "The Swamp of No Return" (I'm not sure who
was discussing that story), and the quote is "...that old duck sure
had a *SCOTTISH* accent like Uncle Scrooge's!" That's the clincher;
like I've always figured, Scrooge talks with a slight accent, but it's
not strong enough to be "heard" via dialect in the balloons.
Len Wein, by the way, laid down the law in 1990 that in new
stories, Scrooge should have his DuckTales dialect written into the
balloons! Hence stories like "Coffee, Louie or Me" in US 257, wherein
Scrooge refers to "m' money bin!" Phooey! (Van Horn didn't obey that
regulation; *only* Jaime Diaz stories adopted it.)
I met Jaime Diaz in a Disney Publishing elevator on a trip
there to meet Cris Palomino, in 1992. I had quite a talk with him,
during which it was revealed that he *dislikes* Barks' work which is
why he makes sure *none* of his artists imitates Barks. So if they're
not going to respect Barks (by respect I don't mean copy him
slavishly, but "respect" like Egmont and Oberon do), then *why* use
Barks characters (i. e. Scrooge) and situations (i. e. bin raids) to
begin with? The end result is stories no better than Whitman's stuff.
When it comes to the Ducks, anyway.
As for the Diaz Mouse work, D&M was going to feature that
in perpetuity. Now John Clark tells me that the last one will be #24.
That suggests that it has not been well received. I like Diaz Goofy
stuff a bit (i. e. the long "historical" stories), but even those are
awkwardly paced... very slow, in the case of "Goofy Midas." I sure
would have rather seen Gottfredson's "Mickey Mouse, Boxing Champion"
in place of that Midas story, with its references to "moo cows" and
other juvenile stuff.
So beginning with D&M #25, Italian Mouse stories will appear
there. I say... great!
Thanks for the credits for those Dutch stories. I can
*really* use that information! My warmest wishes to all who offered
such information!
Your friend,
David Gerstein
The "D. U. C. K." on Disney Comics' "DONALD AND SCROOGE" is
very hard to find, but it can be found nonetheless. Turn the comic 90
degrees. Now look at the treasure chest (or one of the wooden objects
on the cover, I'm not sure)...
But wherever the "D. U. C. K" is on US 281 completely eludes
me!!! I'm stuck!
Harry... *boy*, I envy you, having as good as all of the
Gottfredson stories! As of this summer I have every existing reprint
in English, but as any fan who does a little research will find out,
that's only about 1/3 of the stories. I have some others in 1940s
Dell printings, but they're in serial form and thus missing chapters
here and there. (I *do* have "Goofy and Agnes" complete... and in the
single week that Bob Karp wrote, Mickey suddenly gets Donald's
temper!!!)
I was so bothered that I didn't have Dell's complete printing
of "The 'Lectro Box" (this was about Feb. 1991) that I began to pester
Bob Foster to see it printed. That's essentially how I *really* got
to know him (only brief conversations took place before that). Soon
he indeed printed "The 'Lectro Box" for me! (That being WDC&S 568).
Who's Jim Fletcher? As far as I'm concerned, the worst Disney
artist of all time is Stan Walsh who drew MM and "The Robot Army"
which somehow, Bob Foster got several requests for and ran in WDC&S
574-77. This story contains the ugliest version of Mickey and Goofy
that I've ever seen... well, the ugliest Goofy, anyway (Mickey looks
pretty bad in some Dick Moores stories, too).
I have tracked down "The Swamp of No Return" (I'm not sure who
was discussing that story), and the quote is "...that old duck sure
had a *SCOTTISH* accent like Uncle Scrooge's!" That's the clincher;
like I've always figured, Scrooge talks with a slight accent, but it's
not strong enough to be "heard" via dialect in the balloons.
Len Wein, by the way, laid down the law in 1990 that in new
stories, Scrooge should have his DuckTales dialect written into the
balloons! Hence stories like "Coffee, Louie or Me" in US 257, wherein
Scrooge refers to "m' money bin!" Phooey! (Van Horn didn't obey that
regulation; *only* Jaime Diaz stories adopted it.)
I met Jaime Diaz in a Disney Publishing elevator on a trip
there to meet Cris Palomino, in 1992. I had quite a talk with him,
during which it was revealed that he *dislikes* Barks' work which is
why he makes sure *none* of his artists imitates Barks. So if they're
not going to respect Barks (by respect I don't mean copy him
slavishly, but "respect" like Egmont and Oberon do), then *why* use
Barks characters (i. e. Scrooge) and situations (i. e. bin raids) to
begin with? The end result is stories no better than Whitman's stuff.
When it comes to the Ducks, anyway.
As for the Diaz Mouse work, D&M was going to feature that
in perpetuity. Now John Clark tells me that the last one will be #24.
That suggests that it has not been well received. I like Diaz Goofy
stuff a bit (i. e. the long "historical" stories), but even those are
awkwardly paced... very slow, in the case of "Goofy Midas." I sure
would have rather seen Gottfredson's "Mickey Mouse, Boxing Champion"
in place of that Midas story, with its references to "moo cows" and
other juvenile stuff.
So beginning with D&M #25, Italian Mouse stories will appear
there. I say... great!
Thanks for the credits for those Dutch stories. I can
*really* use that information! My warmest wishes to all who offered
such information!
Your friend,
David Gerstein