Dear Folks,
I don't have my issues with me now, but I can offer a bit of
help with that Van Horn list nonetheless. Here's a whole section of
it complete with many additions.
It seems that the K-codes for "Kid Stuff" and "The
Not-So-Silent Service" were switched when they were printed in Europe,
either that or Disney blew it in their *own* comics (which actually
seems more likely).
I may have made a mistake when installing that information
however... so please note, "Kid Stuff" is the one that was listed as
"A child's game" and "Service" was listed as the one about water and
treasure, I forget what it was called.
During the course of my revisions I bungled what issues the
stories for DDAD 7 and 8 appeared in in Scandinavia. Those are
*both* Halloween stories, the second being a direct sequel to the
first.
I have installed information about several issues that you
didn't list at all, those being WDC&S 545 and 574, and DDAD 27.
The cover that Gladstone's back-issue page credits now to Van
Horn for WDC&S 584 is actually by Jim Franzen and Bruce Patterson.
I got most of the code information from my own Disney Comics
Code Index. I never dreamed you guys would want something that
specific, but if you do, tell me and you can have it (I'll take
vanilla!). Note: KU 30-90 is a code for both cover *and* story to
"No Room for Human Error".
Code USA NL Scan Title [+ remarks]
===========================================================================
KD 02-90 DDAD 2 X91-01 K93-39 12 DD Rootin' Tootin' Duck
[script JLu]
KD 22-90 DDAD 3 X92-06 12 DD Beachhead Bathos
KD 07-90 DDAD 4 K92-41 12 DD The Bees Have It
KD 08-90 DDAD 5 X91-12 M92-11,12 12 DD Snore Losers
KD 09-90 DDAD 6 X91-08 14 DD It's Bats, Man! [script JLu]
KD 28-90 DDAD 7 X93-02? 12 DD It's In the Bag! (Halloween)
KD 35-90 DDAD 8 X93-02? 12 DD Public Ugly #1 (Halloween)
KD 21-90 DDAD 10 X92-03 12 DD Run-Down Runner
KD 36-90 DDAD 13 X92-04 K92-45 12 DD Just a Humble, Bumbling Duck!
KJD005-1 DDAD 15 X92-10 12 DD A Tuft Luck Tale
KJD003-1 DDAD 16 X92-07 12 DD Kid Stuff
KD5590-1 DDAD 18 X92-11 14 DD That Ol' Soft Soap [script MGi]
KJD004-1 DDAD 19 X92-05 19 DD The Not-So-Silent Service
KJD002-1 DDAD 20 X92-12 12 DD The Ghost of Kamikaze Ridge
KJD006-1 DDAD 27 2 DD Nap in Nature
KJD007-1 WDC 574 2 DD Magic Trick
KU 05-90 US 243 X92-01 K93-36 14 US Pie in the Sky [script BR]
KU 30-90 US 252 WB.92 26 US No Room for Human Error
KJS001-1 WDC 561 2 LBW Blow Me Down!
D 91341 WDC 588 K93-30 10 DD Spotless Don
D 91378 WDC 587 K93-23 10 DD Out of Harmony's Way
D 91379 DDAD 38 K93-10 10 DD A Small Matter
D 92144 DDAD 37 K93-08 10 DD in Balms Away
D 92145 M93-07,08 10 DD ?? (Promising sleeping)
D 92172 K93-16 10 DD ?? (Lot of happiness)
D 92205 K93-19,20 10 DD Magica's Missin' Magic
[rejected by Disney; was
to have been in DDAD #16
and was so advertised]
D 92207 DDA 24 M93-09,10 21 DD The Black Moon
COVERS:
Code USA NL Scan Title [+ remarks]
===========================================================================
DDA 15 The Mad Chemist
DDA 17 Curse of the Lost Empress
DDAD 2 Rootin' Tootin' Duck
DDAD 4 The Bees Have It!
KD 37-90 DDAD 6 It's Bats, Man!
KD 39-90 DDAD 7 It's in the Bag!
KD 40-90 DDAD 8 Public Ugly #1
KD 58-90 DDAD 10 Run-down Runner
KD 43-90 DDAD 13 Just a Humble, Bumbling Duck
KJD011-1 DDAD 15 A Tuft Luck Tale
KJD022-1 DDAD 18 That Ol' Soft Soap!
KJD025-1 DDAD 19 The Not-So-Silent Service
JD 033-1 DDAD 20 The Ghost of Kamikaze Ridge
KJD121-1 DDAD 38 A Small Matter [Layout BF]
DM 19 Donald sculpting Mickey
KU 05-90 US 243 Pie In The Sky
KU 31-90 US 250 Money bin as swimming pool
KU 30-90 US 252 No Room for Human Error
KJU066-1 US 270 Ten-Cent Marathon
WDC 545 HDL have the bigger sandwich
WDC 547 DD gets snow on his head
KS ... WDC 551 The Hard Loser
KS 56-90 WDC 558 Donald's Fix-It Shop
KS 71-90 WDC 559 Don't Bug Me!
KS 70-90 WDC 560 The April Foolers
KS 81-90 WDC 561 Flipsim! !msipilF
KJS031-1 WDC 565 Truant Officer
KJS034-1 WDC 566 Will O' the Wisp
KJS036-1 WDC 567 Turkey Trouble
KJS042-1 WDC 568 Submarine Santa
KJS057-1 WDC 570 Postman Duck [Inker JuM]
KJS139-1 WDC 585 Gladstone's Secret
WDC 586 Gull on DD's straw hat
WDC 587 Out of Harmony's Way
[END OF LIST ADDITIONS]
You see that Van Horn sold stories completely out of order to
Disney... also far in advance of when they would be printed. When
"Magica's Missin' Magic" was rejected (Disney had reached their annual
budget on buying new stories for DDAD) and "Kid Stuff" was substituted
in DDAD 16, no one notified the advertising department, and the
"Between the Lines" page for that month actually lists the unprinted
story.
"Magica's Missin' Magic" was reworked from 6-panel pages to
8-panel ones, has recently appeared in Europe as you noted, and should
show up here sooner or later, I guess.
I've included the publication numbers for two stories --
"Spotless Don" and "The Black Moon" (that's the U. S. title) -- which
I knew them for, despite the fact that the second one won't be
published for 2 months.
That's all for now. *Phew* what a lot of work! I never
dreamed this would be such a *big* project when I started it an hour
ago...
Your friend,
David Gerstein
"Phooey on Sir Quincy Quack! Double phooey! And yuck!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Author
Topic: 199310
(214 messages)
David A Gerstein
Van Horn revisions
Message 1 -
1993-10-01 at 00:33:26
David A Gerstein
Rosa on... + A Modest Proposal
Message 2 -
1993-10-01 at 02:56:25
Dear Mark (and everybody),
Glad to read your listing of what's gonna be in DD 283...
particularly "From Duckburg to Lillehammer" (spelling?). Might you be
so kind as to tell us what "ADVANCE COMICS" said was to appear in USA
25 and D&M 22?
In my froth-filled list of my least favorite Duck stories I
forgot the worst of the worst:
Donald Duck in "Southern Hospitality" (1952). Not only is
this a "travel tale" without the least bit of realistic business in
it, but Scrooge has bought himself a cotton plantation, dresses like
Simon Legree and sports a hick-style Southern accent! What's more,
his workers have left him because he tried to feed them cotton as
opposed to let them go on lunch breaks, and even Scrooge wouldn't
poison someone to save money. The art is pretty bad, too (although
not impossibly bad). For dragging a Barks character into such a
childish story, the unknown scripter gets one raspberry, and for so
shamelessly misinterpreting that Barks character, he gets a truckload
of them. Better, he should eat a truckload of *cotton!* ;-)
The above is, I believe, also the first long adventure to use
Scrooge that wasn't done by Barks, thus setting the stage for a lot of
pretty tepid such stories.
Per, could you please start sending me the letters as
individual postings rather than digest form? That way I can save only
the most important for my research (no offense... honest!). No,
really, I have gotten a lot of great information from all of you, and
hope that I've paid you back with my own obscure duck information.
Don, do you know when "Guardians of the Lost Library" will see
print here? Now that it's been printed in Europe... I'm excited to
read your origin of the Woodchucks.
Also a piece of criticism for one bit of your work. The
centerfold for Uncle Scrooge #275 (I think that's the one) has ducks
who look rather stiff and inert. Was it the size you had to draw them
at? On the flip side of the number one dime, however, I still get a
kick out of that Beagle Boy about to get a little *something* under
the mistletoe!
Also: The story "The Hoard at the Rainbow's End" (H84133, I
think) has been pushed ahead! Instead of being in DDA 26 as I
thought, it's actually going to be in DDA 25. (The first long story
I've dialogued up to this point.)
And for all of you: I'm meant to do some "fieldwork" for my
Anthropology course later this year. I'm supposed to analyze some
group in society and to sorta learn what makes them tick.
Would any of you mind answering a posted questionaire which I
would use to analyze the lives of Disney comic collectors... to see
what we all have in common, that sort of thing, including what
differentiates us from the "mutant" crowd here in the U. S. -- and
what in Europe might make the comics more popular in the mainstream.
This might require a lot of dumb-sounding questions, perhaps followed
by individual letters to a few of you.
Don't be offended by this, please, folks... I'm not trying to
say we're typical comic-shop weirdos, I want to find out why we
*aren't* and what makes a Disney comic aficionado... this really interests me
and might meet the qualifications for the project!! If I get a lot of
positive responses to this concept, I can pitch it to my teacher on
Tuesday and if it's a success, maybe I will actually make the
questionnaire in the next coupla weeks.
The most interesting thing would be looking at my own life and
seeing if I can notice real differences between it and those of Marvel
fans; what their family situations are like, what drove them to the
comics, etc. (I'll presumably run a poll sheet through my local comic
shop back home, which will be glad to distribute, then collect them.
They know me there.) What's different about this country?
(I know *your* response, Don, but I'm wondering what *makes*
it that way... for this thing, I'll have to dig deeper than just the
kind of criticism I enjoy joining with you in heaping on U. S. comic
"fandom," speculation-style. Your views, of course, would be *very
much* appreciated.)
If the response to this idea is tepid, I'll see if Foola
Zoola's village will let me do some analyses of its populace! :-)
Thanks, folks.
David Gerstein
P. S. Don, do you think that other stories besides WDC&S 89
should be banned from the regular monthly titles here? If so, why?
(This is no relation to the project above)
Glad to read your listing of what's gonna be in DD 283...
particularly "From Duckburg to Lillehammer" (spelling?). Might you be
so kind as to tell us what "ADVANCE COMICS" said was to appear in USA
25 and D&M 22?
In my froth-filled list of my least favorite Duck stories I
forgot the worst of the worst:
Donald Duck in "Southern Hospitality" (1952). Not only is
this a "travel tale" without the least bit of realistic business in
it, but Scrooge has bought himself a cotton plantation, dresses like
Simon Legree and sports a hick-style Southern accent! What's more,
his workers have left him because he tried to feed them cotton as
opposed to let them go on lunch breaks, and even Scrooge wouldn't
poison someone to save money. The art is pretty bad, too (although
not impossibly bad). For dragging a Barks character into such a
childish story, the unknown scripter gets one raspberry, and for so
shamelessly misinterpreting that Barks character, he gets a truckload
of them. Better, he should eat a truckload of *cotton!* ;-)
The above is, I believe, also the first long adventure to use
Scrooge that wasn't done by Barks, thus setting the stage for a lot of
pretty tepid such stories.
Per, could you please start sending me the letters as
individual postings rather than digest form? That way I can save only
the most important for my research (no offense... honest!). No,
really, I have gotten a lot of great information from all of you, and
hope that I've paid you back with my own obscure duck information.
Don, do you know when "Guardians of the Lost Library" will see
print here? Now that it's been printed in Europe... I'm excited to
read your origin of the Woodchucks.
Also a piece of criticism for one bit of your work. The
centerfold for Uncle Scrooge #275 (I think that's the one) has ducks
who look rather stiff and inert. Was it the size you had to draw them
at? On the flip side of the number one dime, however, I still get a
kick out of that Beagle Boy about to get a little *something* under
the mistletoe!
Also: The story "The Hoard at the Rainbow's End" (H84133, I
think) has been pushed ahead! Instead of being in DDA 26 as I
thought, it's actually going to be in DDA 25. (The first long story
I've dialogued up to this point.)
And for all of you: I'm meant to do some "fieldwork" for my
Anthropology course later this year. I'm supposed to analyze some
group in society and to sorta learn what makes them tick.
Would any of you mind answering a posted questionaire which I
would use to analyze the lives of Disney comic collectors... to see
what we all have in common, that sort of thing, including what
differentiates us from the "mutant" crowd here in the U. S. -- and
what in Europe might make the comics more popular in the mainstream.
This might require a lot of dumb-sounding questions, perhaps followed
by individual letters to a few of you.
Don't be offended by this, please, folks... I'm not trying to
say we're typical comic-shop weirdos, I want to find out why we
*aren't* and what makes a Disney comic aficionado... this really interests me
and might meet the qualifications for the project!! If I get a lot of
positive responses to this concept, I can pitch it to my teacher on
Tuesday and if it's a success, maybe I will actually make the
questionnaire in the next coupla weeks.
The most interesting thing would be looking at my own life and
seeing if I can notice real differences between it and those of Marvel
fans; what their family situations are like, what drove them to the
comics, etc. (I'll presumably run a poll sheet through my local comic
shop back home, which will be glad to distribute, then collect them.
They know me there.) What's different about this country?
(I know *your* response, Don, but I'm wondering what *makes*
it that way... for this thing, I'll have to dig deeper than just the
kind of criticism I enjoy joining with you in heaping on U. S. comic
"fandom," speculation-style. Your views, of course, would be *very
much* appreciated.)
If the response to this idea is tepid, I'll see if Foola
Zoola's village will let me do some analyses of its populace! :-)
Thanks, folks.
David Gerstein
P. S. Don, do you think that other stories besides WDC&S 89
should be banned from the regular monthly titles here? If so, why?
(This is no relation to the project above)
Mark Semich
Back to the future
Message 3 -
1993-10-01 at 06:22:38
>From: David A Gerstein <David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu>
>
> Glad to read your listing of what's gonna be in DD 283...
>particularly "From Duckburg to Lillehammer" (spelling?). Might you be
>so kind as to tell us what "ADVANCE COMICS" said was to appear in USA
>25 and D&M 22?
Sure:
Donald and Mickey #22 $1.50
"This issue contains the 10-page Barks' story, _Omelet_. Learn why
Donald and the boys have been declared _personna_non_grata_ in a small
mountain town. Also featured is _The_Great_Winks_Robbery_, the final
installment (for now) in the Mickey and the Sleuth sampler."
I must confess that I'm pleased they're stopping the "Mickey and the
Sleuth" stuff, I was rather dissapointed with it.
Uncle Scrooge Adventures #25 $1.50
(Grammatical errors are Gladstone's:)
"The book-length, 26-page reprint of Barks' Scrooge classic
_The_Money_Well_ is the featured story. When Scrooge's reluctance to
spend money for a new pair of spectacles leads to the Beagle Boys'
takever of his fantasticatillions. Cover produced by Gladstone
Studios using Barks' panel art from the story."
> Don, do you know when "Guardians of the Lost Library" will see
>print here? Now that it's been printed in Europe... I'm excited to
>read your origin of the Woodchucks.
Wait a minute. Do you mean to say that Don did a story about the
origin of the Woodchucks?!?! WHY CAN'T WE READ THIS STUFF!!!! I
*really want* to read this story. And who knows how long it will take
Gladstone to get off their duff and print it. (If they even will..)
How frustrating.
BTW, David, how do you know what Don Rosa's stories are titled before
we see them here in the states? Do you find out from over-seas? Are
they listed in the ftp-able don rosa index?
(PS-like note: "Guardians of the Lost Library" is a very cool title
for a story.)
===========================================================================
"I am Scrooge McDuck of the clan McDuck. There can be only one!"
-- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --
mark a. semich mas at csa.bu.edu
===========================================================================
>
> Glad to read your listing of what's gonna be in DD 283...
>particularly "From Duckburg to Lillehammer" (spelling?). Might you be
>so kind as to tell us what "ADVANCE COMICS" said was to appear in USA
>25 and D&M 22?
Sure:
Donald and Mickey #22 $1.50
"This issue contains the 10-page Barks' story, _Omelet_. Learn why
Donald and the boys have been declared _personna_non_grata_ in a small
mountain town. Also featured is _The_Great_Winks_Robbery_, the final
installment (for now) in the Mickey and the Sleuth sampler."
I must confess that I'm pleased they're stopping the "Mickey and the
Sleuth" stuff, I was rather dissapointed with it.
Uncle Scrooge Adventures #25 $1.50
(Grammatical errors are Gladstone's:)
"The book-length, 26-page reprint of Barks' Scrooge classic
_The_Money_Well_ is the featured story. When Scrooge's reluctance to
spend money for a new pair of spectacles leads to the Beagle Boys'
takever of his fantasticatillions. Cover produced by Gladstone
Studios using Barks' panel art from the story."
> Don, do you know when "Guardians of the Lost Library" will see
>print here? Now that it's been printed in Europe... I'm excited to
>read your origin of the Woodchucks.
Wait a minute. Do you mean to say that Don did a story about the
origin of the Woodchucks?!?! WHY CAN'T WE READ THIS STUFF!!!! I
*really want* to read this story. And who knows how long it will take
Gladstone to get off their duff and print it. (If they even will..)
How frustrating.
BTW, David, how do you know what Don Rosa's stories are titled before
we see them here in the states? Do you find out from over-seas? Are
they listed in the ftp-able don rosa index?
(PS-like note: "Guardians of the Lost Library" is a very cool title
for a story.)
===========================================================================
"I am Scrooge McDuck of the clan McDuck. There can be only one!"
-- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --
mark a. semich mas at csa.bu.edu
===========================================================================
Harry Fluks
Indexes on ftp (WVH index announcement)
Message 4 -
1993-10-01 at 10:39:54
Fredrik wrote:
> Harry and I recently joined forces to produce a American-Dutch-Scandi-
> navian William Van Horn index, similar to the Rosa index. I have sent
> this to Per and he has just added it to the FTP archive. Therefore, it
> won't be necessary to post the entire index here, but I will include
> the final part about what is yet to be done. I hope that some other
> members out there will have some of this information and is willing to
> provide it.
There is already a lot of new information, not only from David, but also
from Ole (ROC) who updated the 'disney.index' and 'gladstone.index' files
on ftp. We have an almost complete Gladstone index now!
On this moment, the ftp site contains ".old" and ".new" files for some
entries. This is because some people updated some files simultaneously.
I merged those files yesterday and sent them to Per, so there will be only
one version per file soon.
Thanks to Fredrik and Ole for the updates!
This brings me to the various indexes we have: some of them list all stories
of a particular artist (don-rosa, Van Horn, Barks, Gottfredson), while some of
the indexes are by publication (Gladstone, Disney, Crone's Dell index,
the Dutch and Danish indexes) or by code (the MM newspaper indexes, the
ar-index [new file on ftp], and maybe the Disney Comics index David was
talking about). [David: I would like to have a copy of that list!]
Maybe it is time to re-arrange some of the information, because a lot of
information is listed 3 or 4 times (especially story credits).
One solution would be to give each story a unique code (mostly the story
code, but in case of newspaper strips, an own code would be easier), and
make indexes by story code.
Such "story code indexes" (D-index, H-index, AR-index etc.) would list
the credits, number of pages, an original title (or always an English
title?), and the exact dates in case of a newspaper strip.
Then the "indexes by publication" will contain only a story code, and maybe
a title. For stories of unknown origin, the "index by publication" entry will
still contain all information it contains now.
We could make programs to generate complete "indexes by publication", or
indexes by artist, for whoever would want those.
As far as I'm concerned, one thing is for sure for this moment: the
"don-rosa" index will remain on ftp as a separate file!
What do you all think? In which form would you like to have the indexes? I
have the impression that only a few people actually get those files from ftp.
Is that so?
--Harry.
> Harry and I recently joined forces to produce a American-Dutch-Scandi-
> navian William Van Horn index, similar to the Rosa index. I have sent
> this to Per and he has just added it to the FTP archive. Therefore, it
> won't be necessary to post the entire index here, but I will include
> the final part about what is yet to be done. I hope that some other
> members out there will have some of this information and is willing to
> provide it.
There is already a lot of new information, not only from David, but also
from Ole (ROC) who updated the 'disney.index' and 'gladstone.index' files
on ftp. We have an almost complete Gladstone index now!
On this moment, the ftp site contains ".old" and ".new" files for some
entries. This is because some people updated some files simultaneously.
I merged those files yesterday and sent them to Per, so there will be only
one version per file soon.
Thanks to Fredrik and Ole for the updates!
This brings me to the various indexes we have: some of them list all stories
of a particular artist (don-rosa, Van Horn, Barks, Gottfredson), while some of
the indexes are by publication (Gladstone, Disney, Crone's Dell index,
the Dutch and Danish indexes) or by code (the MM newspaper indexes, the
ar-index [new file on ftp], and maybe the Disney Comics index David was
talking about). [David: I would like to have a copy of that list!]
Maybe it is time to re-arrange some of the information, because a lot of
information is listed 3 or 4 times (especially story credits).
One solution would be to give each story a unique code (mostly the story
code, but in case of newspaper strips, an own code would be easier), and
make indexes by story code.
Such "story code indexes" (D-index, H-index, AR-index etc.) would list
the credits, number of pages, an original title (or always an English
title?), and the exact dates in case of a newspaper strip.
Then the "indexes by publication" will contain only a story code, and maybe
a title. For stories of unknown origin, the "index by publication" entry will
still contain all information it contains now.
We could make programs to generate complete "indexes by publication", or
indexes by artist, for whoever would want those.
As far as I'm concerned, one thing is for sure for this moment: the
"don-rosa" index will remain on ftp as a separate file!
What do you all think? In which form would you like to have the indexes? I
have the impression that only a few people actually get those files from ftp.
Is that so?
--Harry.
Harry Fluks
A Modest Proposal
Message 5 -
1993-10-01 at 10:47:25
David:
> And for all of you: I'm meant to do some "fieldwork" for my
> Anthropology course later this year.
Go ahead, it's all OK with me. I'm curious about the results of it!
You might find out that European Disney comics freaks are quite different
from American ones...
--Harry.
(another short message to throw away, unless it's part of a Digest 8-)
> And for all of you: I'm meant to do some "fieldwork" for my
> Anthropology course later this year.
Go ahead, it's all OK with me. I'm curious about the results of it!
You might find out that European Disney comics freaks are quite different
from American ones...
--Harry.
(another short message to throw away, unless it's part of a Digest 8-)
Mattias Hallin
Introduckin' meself...
Message 6 -
1993-10-01 at 12:52:58
...which might be a polite thing to do, being new on this net since a couple of
days, and considering that you don't all know from before: m'name's Mattias
Hallin (age 28), residing in the beautiful university town
of Lund, Sweden, where I'm presently employed at the University Registrar's
office and archives - it is courtesy of my workplace computers that I'm able to
participate in this sort of thing.
Being a Swede, I'm obviously a NAFS(k) member (well, all Swedes aren't, of
course; but most Swedish donaldists), and co-editor with my brother Jakob of
Swedish donaldist fanzine "NAFS(k)uriren". So anyone who cares to write to
NAFS(k)uriren might do this via this net (my email adress(es) are either
"Mattias.Hallin at J-sek.lu.se" or "ANNAS at castor.ldc.lu.se" - they work equally
well). Our letters column accepts letters in English, but any article would
have to be translated into Swedish to appear. We'd gladly do that, of course,
but then most of you couldn't read your own article...
Well, anyway I'm glad to be amongst ya'll on the net and please just delete
this happy c**p once you've gleaned it.
Quackly Yours
Mattias
days, and considering that you don't all know from before: m'name's Mattias
Hallin (age 28), residing in the beautiful university town
of Lund, Sweden, where I'm presently employed at the University Registrar's
office and archives - it is courtesy of my workplace computers that I'm able to
participate in this sort of thing.
Being a Swede, I'm obviously a NAFS(k) member (well, all Swedes aren't, of
course; but most Swedish donaldists), and co-editor with my brother Jakob of
Swedish donaldist fanzine "NAFS(k)uriren". So anyone who cares to write to
NAFS(k)uriren might do this via this net (my email adress(es) are either
"Mattias.Hallin at J-sek.lu.se" or "ANNAS at castor.ldc.lu.se" - they work equally
well). Our letters column accepts letters in English, but any article would
have to be translated into Swedish to appear. We'd gladly do that, of course,
but then most of you couldn't read your own article...
Well, anyway I'm glad to be amongst ya'll on the net and please just delete
this happy c**p once you've gleaned it.
Quackly Yours
Mattias
Mattias Hallin
DDA 23-cover
Message 7 -
1993-10-01 at 14:07:27
I dunno - Gladstone claims (in the last item, I think it was, of the letters
column) in DDA 23 that the logo on top of the viking chief's "ugly kisser" was
fully intentional on Don's part - obviously I don't know how true that is, but
that's what the man said!
But why must vikings always be stereotypically portrayed in horned helmets and
hairy breeches - that ain't exactly what they looked like, actually! Oh, I know
- by using the stereotype they're easily and immediately identified as
"vikings"; but I'm bothered just the teensiest weensiest any way!
Quack! (He said knowingly)
Mattias Hallin
column) in DDA 23 that the logo on top of the viking chief's "ugly kisser" was
fully intentional on Don's part - obviously I don't know how true that is, but
that's what the man said!
But why must vikings always be stereotypically portrayed in horned helmets and
hairy breeches - that ain't exactly what they looked like, actually! Oh, I know
- by using the stereotype they're easily and immediately identified as
"vikings"; but I'm bothered just the teensiest weensiest any way!
Quack! (He said knowingly)
Mattias Hallin
Harry Fluks
Worst Disney Stories
Message 8 -
1993-10-01 at 17:16:53
Topi Ylinen wrote:
> Anything by Cavazzano.
Who is that? One of the Italian artists? How can I recognize him? Any USA
reprints?
--Harry.
> Anything by Cavazzano.
Who is that? One of the Italian artists? How can I recognize him? Any USA
reprints?
--Harry.
Per Starback
Indexes on ftp (WVH index announcement)
Message 9 -
1993-10-01 at 17:29:28
Harry:
> On this moment, the ftp site contains ".old" and ".new" files for some
> entries. This is because some people updated some files simultaneously.
> I merged those files yesterday and sent them to Per, so there will be only
> one version per file soon.
I've fixed that now. Thanks again to everyone involved.
--
Per
> On this moment, the ftp site contains ".old" and ".new" files for some
> entries. This is because some people updated some files simultaneously.
> I merged those files yesterday and sent them to Per, so there will be only
> one version per file soon.
I've fixed that now. Thanks again to everyone involved.
--
Per
David A Gerstein
Ducks and *Details* and Destinies
Message 10 -
1993-10-01 at 23:55:54
Dear Folks,
I finally figured out how to download the really *old* digests
from ftp. I noticed raging debates that went on before I started
corresponding, and thus have a few comments for you.
Fethry Duck appeared in *many* mid-1960s stories that Whitman
published. In those stories he talked like a *beatnik*!!! If stories
with him are used here in the future, I hope this won't be done. By
the mid-'70s Fethry was so uncommon here that when the kids' textbook
series "Disney's Wonderful World of Learning" originating from Italy
was published here, the volume "hosted" by Fethry claimed that this
was Donald in a disguise!!!
A few German character names for you:
Sylvester Shyster = Baldwin Beutelschneider
["Beutelschneider" = bundle-cutter = embezzler]
Bolivar/Bornworthy = Bernie
Eli Squinch = Ernst Kropp
Horace Horsecollar = Rudi Ross
Clarabelle Cow = Klarabella Kuh
Eega Beeva = Gamma
The Beagle Boys = Panzerknacker
Flintheart Glomgold = Mac Moneysac
Grandma Duck = Oma Doretta Duck
The money bin = Geldspeicher
Ludwig Von Drake = Primus Von Quack
The Phantom Blot = Der Schwartze Fantome (spelling?)
Gladstone Gander = Gustav Gans (which translates to Gus Goose!)
Gus (Gustave) Goose = Franz Gans
[The original movie poster for "Donald's Cousin Gus"
says, "Introducing Gustave Goose", giving that as his
official studio name at the time, Gus being a nickname.
When Gladstone used the poster as a cover, they
altered this.]
Magica De Spell = Gundel Gaukeley
Rockerduck = Klaas Klever
Captain Churchmouse = Kapt'n Kluese
[the version in Murry stories is a different character
in Germany, called Kapt'n Kirchmaus. Shows you what
happens when Murry changes characters so liberally..]
Spooks the Gorilla = Bobo
Publicity drawings of the whole gang done by Adolf Kabatek for
the German comics' "fun pages" show Minnie with two nieces.
The name "Ezra Scrooge McDuck" is absolutely a mistake... it
derives from the name of Grandma's landlord, "Ezra Scrooge," in
"Vacation Parade" #1's GD story. No relation! No relation! The same
argument could be used to say that Scrooge is the last name of "Ezry"
in "Old California."
Grandma Duck's real first name in English is, I believe, in
the November, 1950 issue of WDC&S's "Grandma Duck" story. I don't
remember the name offhand, but it was a Victorian name; I've heard of
people having it, but never met someone with it. (Note: I'll ask my
folks if they can get the issue from one of my boxes back home and
give me the name via phone). Might be something weird.
* GOSH * Does Don Rosa need that name for his Life of
Scrooge for some reason? Please tell me if you do, Don!!!!!
The name of the "donkey" in the Donald newspaper strip is
Basil Burro (perhaps a relation of Benny :-) Donald also has a cat
in the earlier dailies, named Tabby (and Barks used him by name in
WDC&S 65, although making him white rather than black-and-white).
Gladstone mentions in the DDA #23 letter page that Br'er
Rabbit won't be featured in WDC&S for a while. This isn't due -- as
it may imply -- to Disney's feelings about Southern dialect; just to
the fact that most WDC&S issues are going to be filled with only a
Duck story and a Gottfredson Mickey story for the next year.
(I was nervous, so asked John Clark about that)
Fred Milton's "The Big Sneeze" may be used by Gladstone, but
nothing is definite yet.
The Life of Scrooge by Don Rosa will begin in US #285, not USA
as was implied by the DDA letter column mentioned above. Say, Don...
when will "Guardians of the Lost Library" be printed here????
And also... Don, do you really feel that Uncle Scrooge (gulp)
*died* in 1967? We've all gotta go sometime, but do you feel that *no
one* can add to the canon if their stories have elements that are any
more "recent"? Well, okay, if you're thinking in real time, maybe he
could have died, but do you view the duck world as being firmly
entrenched in "real" time? Well, maybe so... I'm confused.
Also: The Gladstone WDC in Color album series info is
slightly wrong in the don-rosa list; I believe that the cover
descriptions for #6 and #7 are accidentally switched there.
The *official* name of Donald's St. Bernard for new stories,
as Disney and Gladstone have agreed on and made law, is Bolivar. In
Europe, Egmont has it as Bornworthy. I am writing a story about him
now for Egmont and working on a foreign one for Gladstone, so I'm
calling the dog by both names accidentally!
The cartoon in which Mickey and Minnie are married is 1932's
"Mickey's Nightmare" -- the title explains it all. Storks bring
thousands of baby mice who look *just* like Morty and Ferdie initially
did -- in fact, the comic "Mickey's Nephews" (1932) is essentially the
comic version of that film, using many of the same gags but making it
logical by using a non-nightmare story and real relatives that didn't
involve marriage. (Gottfredson said in MMIC that he was inspired to use M&F by
adapting them from the orphans in "Orphans' Benefit," but since that
was 1934, I knew something was wrong! I saw "Mickey's Nightmare" on
the Disney Channel last summer. It's been colorized, seemingly using
Gladstone Album #3 as reference for the brats' clothing.)
The stories I dialogued that were scheduled for US 285 and
WDC&S 591 may be bumped ahead an issue because the proofs have not yet
come from Denmark and things are getting tight. More on that when
John Clark tells me.
By contrast, "The Hoard at the Rainbow's End" (H84133,
Verhagen) was moved sooner, from DDA 26 to DDA 25!!!! I think you
guys will like how this story came out, but please don't blame me for
the fact that it starts a little slowly and has a rather unsatisfying
ending... I didn't choose it, Gladstone had me do it. In the long
run, though, I had a *great* time working it all out, particularly in
dreaming up Oriental-style names and places.
And "Bugged by Humbug" is still going to be in WDC&S 589.
Your friend,
David Gerstein
"Tastes like it was enriched with chocolate bars and bananas!
I'll throw away the Goldilocks script and eat *all* the porridge!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
I finally figured out how to download the really *old* digests
from ftp. I noticed raging debates that went on before I started
corresponding, and thus have a few comments for you.
Fethry Duck appeared in *many* mid-1960s stories that Whitman
published. In those stories he talked like a *beatnik*!!! If stories
with him are used here in the future, I hope this won't be done. By
the mid-'70s Fethry was so uncommon here that when the kids' textbook
series "Disney's Wonderful World of Learning" originating from Italy
was published here, the volume "hosted" by Fethry claimed that this
was Donald in a disguise!!!
A few German character names for you:
Sylvester Shyster = Baldwin Beutelschneider
["Beutelschneider" = bundle-cutter = embezzler]
Bolivar/Bornworthy = Bernie
Eli Squinch = Ernst Kropp
Horace Horsecollar = Rudi Ross
Clarabelle Cow = Klarabella Kuh
Eega Beeva = Gamma
The Beagle Boys = Panzerknacker
Flintheart Glomgold = Mac Moneysac
Grandma Duck = Oma Doretta Duck
The money bin = Geldspeicher
Ludwig Von Drake = Primus Von Quack
The Phantom Blot = Der Schwartze Fantome (spelling?)
Gladstone Gander = Gustav Gans (which translates to Gus Goose!)
Gus (Gustave) Goose = Franz Gans
[The original movie poster for "Donald's Cousin Gus"
says, "Introducing Gustave Goose", giving that as his
official studio name at the time, Gus being a nickname.
When Gladstone used the poster as a cover, they
altered this.]
Magica De Spell = Gundel Gaukeley
Rockerduck = Klaas Klever
Captain Churchmouse = Kapt'n Kluese
[the version in Murry stories is a different character
in Germany, called Kapt'n Kirchmaus. Shows you what
happens when Murry changes characters so liberally..]
Spooks the Gorilla = Bobo
Publicity drawings of the whole gang done by Adolf Kabatek for
the German comics' "fun pages" show Minnie with two nieces.
The name "Ezra Scrooge McDuck" is absolutely a mistake... it
derives from the name of Grandma's landlord, "Ezra Scrooge," in
"Vacation Parade" #1's GD story. No relation! No relation! The same
argument could be used to say that Scrooge is the last name of "Ezry"
in "Old California."
Grandma Duck's real first name in English is, I believe, in
the November, 1950 issue of WDC&S's "Grandma Duck" story. I don't
remember the name offhand, but it was a Victorian name; I've heard of
people having it, but never met someone with it. (Note: I'll ask my
folks if they can get the issue from one of my boxes back home and
give me the name via phone). Might be something weird.
* GOSH * Does Don Rosa need that name for his Life of
Scrooge for some reason? Please tell me if you do, Don!!!!!
The name of the "donkey" in the Donald newspaper strip is
Basil Burro (perhaps a relation of Benny :-) Donald also has a cat
in the earlier dailies, named Tabby (and Barks used him by name in
WDC&S 65, although making him white rather than black-and-white).
Gladstone mentions in the DDA #23 letter page that Br'er
Rabbit won't be featured in WDC&S for a while. This isn't due -- as
it may imply -- to Disney's feelings about Southern dialect; just to
the fact that most WDC&S issues are going to be filled with only a
Duck story and a Gottfredson Mickey story for the next year.
(I was nervous, so asked John Clark about that)
Fred Milton's "The Big Sneeze" may be used by Gladstone, but
nothing is definite yet.
The Life of Scrooge by Don Rosa will begin in US #285, not USA
as was implied by the DDA letter column mentioned above. Say, Don...
when will "Guardians of the Lost Library" be printed here????
And also... Don, do you really feel that Uncle Scrooge (gulp)
*died* in 1967? We've all gotta go sometime, but do you feel that *no
one* can add to the canon if their stories have elements that are any
more "recent"? Well, okay, if you're thinking in real time, maybe he
could have died, but do you view the duck world as being firmly
entrenched in "real" time? Well, maybe so... I'm confused.
Also: The Gladstone WDC in Color album series info is
slightly wrong in the don-rosa list; I believe that the cover
descriptions for #6 and #7 are accidentally switched there.
The *official* name of Donald's St. Bernard for new stories,
as Disney and Gladstone have agreed on and made law, is Bolivar. In
Europe, Egmont has it as Bornworthy. I am writing a story about him
now for Egmont and working on a foreign one for Gladstone, so I'm
calling the dog by both names accidentally!
The cartoon in which Mickey and Minnie are married is 1932's
"Mickey's Nightmare" -- the title explains it all. Storks bring
thousands of baby mice who look *just* like Morty and Ferdie initially
did -- in fact, the comic "Mickey's Nephews" (1932) is essentially the
comic version of that film, using many of the same gags but making it
logical by using a non-nightmare story and real relatives that didn't
involve marriage. (Gottfredson said in MMIC that he was inspired to use M&F by
adapting them from the orphans in "Orphans' Benefit," but since that
was 1934, I knew something was wrong! I saw "Mickey's Nightmare" on
the Disney Channel last summer. It's been colorized, seemingly using
Gladstone Album #3 as reference for the brats' clothing.)
The stories I dialogued that were scheduled for US 285 and
WDC&S 591 may be bumped ahead an issue because the proofs have not yet
come from Denmark and things are getting tight. More on that when
John Clark tells me.
By contrast, "The Hoard at the Rainbow's End" (H84133,
Verhagen) was moved sooner, from DDA 26 to DDA 25!!!! I think you
guys will like how this story came out, but please don't blame me for
the fact that it starts a little slowly and has a rather unsatisfying
ending... I didn't choose it, Gladstone had me do it. In the long
run, though, I had a *great* time working it all out, particularly in
dreaming up Oriental-style names and places.
And "Bugged by Humbug" is still going to be in WDC&S 589.
Your friend,
David Gerstein
"Tastes like it was enriched with chocolate bars and bananas!
I'll throw away the Goldilocks script and eat *all* the porridge!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Fredrik Ekman
Various replies...
Message 11 -
1993-10-02 at 00:07:05
Hourch!
Lately, my e-mail has been behaving very strangely. For example:
Yesterday, I got Don Rosa's message that he had returned from
Norway, to which I responded. Today, I got not only my own re-
sponse, but also Don's letter where he said that he was _leaving_
for Norway! And replies have arrived several days before the
letters they replied to. So if I seem confused, that's just
natural... Oh well, here are some various replies to recent
postings:
David wrote:
>Would any of you mind answering a posted questionaire which I
>would use to analyze the lives of Disney comic collectors...
I wouldn't mind at all. On the other hand, I don't conisder myself as
being a collector. "Fan" might perhaps be a better description...
And Mark Semich:
>I just read William Van Horn's "Spotless Don" in WDC&S 588.
>
>Although I love the duck stories, I must confess that I'm not
>extremely well read in them. Has Donald ever been referred to as
>"Don" in any published stories before? It certainly struck me as
>different.
On at least one occasion: "Christmas on Bear Mountain", last seen in
DiDDA 9, I think. On the very last page $crooge says "Have some more
soda, Don!" (quoted from memory). As I'm sure most of you already know,
this story feature $crooge's first appearance. And if I ever got around
to listing my favourite Barks stories, this one would certainly be
included.
Finally, Harry on the subject of the FTP indexes:
>Maybe it is time to re-arrange some of the information, because a lot of
>information is listed 3 or 4 times (especially story credits).
>One solution would be to give each story a unique code (mostly the story
>code, but in case of newspaper strips, an own code would be easier), and
>make indexes by story code.
>Such "story code indexes" (D-index, H-index, AR-index etc.) would list
>the credits, number of pages, an original title (or always an English
>title?), and the exact dates in case of a newspaper strip.
>Then the "indexes by publication" will contain only a story code, and maybe
>a title. For stories of unknown origin, the "index by publication" entry will
>still contain all information it contains now.
>
>We could make programs to generate complete "indexes by publication", or
>indexes by artist, for whoever would want those.
I have for a fact thought about this, and although I am in favour of such
a solution, there are some things to consider. For one thing; many people
may not have access to a suitable compiler (I assume we would make these
programs in C, as that is the most portable computer language today) and
even if they do, compiling the programs may seem a nuisance. Having people
order thier indexes from you or anyone else wouldn't be completely
satisfying either. Right now, I can think of two possible solutions.
1) Let's reconstruct the indexes and make programs according to Harry's
specifications. (Who's gonna write the programs by the way? Harry?) Then
the programs and files could be put on some computer where people could
log on with TELNET and use the programs to extract whatever info they want.
No, don't tell me. I *know* that this is neither very practical nor worth
the effort. I'm just trying to examine all possibilities.
2) Construct the programs and indexes as in solution 1. Then put them all
on the FTP archive and finally extract such indexes as we think interesting
and put them _too_ on the archive in some special directory created for
that purpose. This would, obviously, still leave us with a lot of redundant
information, but now we have a way of extracting whatever we want and the
redundancy would be only to increase the accessability. (Please remember
that English is not my native language. :-)
>As far as I'm concerned, one thing is for sure for this moment: the
>"don-rosa" index will remain on ftp as a separate file!
Right! And I would kind of like to see the "van-horn" index stay as well.
Which reminds me, will you update that with the new info from list members
or should I do it?
Whew! That'd be my two cents worth for several days to come!
/Fredrik
"Phooey on bears! Phooey, phooey and phooey!"
Lately, my e-mail has been behaving very strangely. For example:
Yesterday, I got Don Rosa's message that he had returned from
Norway, to which I responded. Today, I got not only my own re-
sponse, but also Don's letter where he said that he was _leaving_
for Norway! And replies have arrived several days before the
letters they replied to. So if I seem confused, that's just
natural... Oh well, here are some various replies to recent
postings:
David wrote:
>Would any of you mind answering a posted questionaire which I
>would use to analyze the lives of Disney comic collectors...
I wouldn't mind at all. On the other hand, I don't conisder myself as
being a collector. "Fan" might perhaps be a better description...
And Mark Semich:
>I just read William Van Horn's "Spotless Don" in WDC&S 588.
>
>Although I love the duck stories, I must confess that I'm not
>extremely well read in them. Has Donald ever been referred to as
>"Don" in any published stories before? It certainly struck me as
>different.
On at least one occasion: "Christmas on Bear Mountain", last seen in
DiDDA 9, I think. On the very last page $crooge says "Have some more
soda, Don!" (quoted from memory). As I'm sure most of you already know,
this story feature $crooge's first appearance. And if I ever got around
to listing my favourite Barks stories, this one would certainly be
included.
Finally, Harry on the subject of the FTP indexes:
>Maybe it is time to re-arrange some of the information, because a lot of
>information is listed 3 or 4 times (especially story credits).
>One solution would be to give each story a unique code (mostly the story
>code, but in case of newspaper strips, an own code would be easier), and
>make indexes by story code.
>Such "story code indexes" (D-index, H-index, AR-index etc.) would list
>the credits, number of pages, an original title (or always an English
>title?), and the exact dates in case of a newspaper strip.
>Then the "indexes by publication" will contain only a story code, and maybe
>a title. For stories of unknown origin, the "index by publication" entry will
>still contain all information it contains now.
>
>We could make programs to generate complete "indexes by publication", or
>indexes by artist, for whoever would want those.
I have for a fact thought about this, and although I am in favour of such
a solution, there are some things to consider. For one thing; many people
may not have access to a suitable compiler (I assume we would make these
programs in C, as that is the most portable computer language today) and
even if they do, compiling the programs may seem a nuisance. Having people
order thier indexes from you or anyone else wouldn't be completely
satisfying either. Right now, I can think of two possible solutions.
1) Let's reconstruct the indexes and make programs according to Harry's
specifications. (Who's gonna write the programs by the way? Harry?) Then
the programs and files could be put on some computer where people could
log on with TELNET and use the programs to extract whatever info they want.
No, don't tell me. I *know* that this is neither very practical nor worth
the effort. I'm just trying to examine all possibilities.
2) Construct the programs and indexes as in solution 1. Then put them all
on the FTP archive and finally extract such indexes as we think interesting
and put them _too_ on the archive in some special directory created for
that purpose. This would, obviously, still leave us with a lot of redundant
information, but now we have a way of extracting whatever we want and the
redundancy would be only to increase the accessability. (Please remember
that English is not my native language. :-)
>As far as I'm concerned, one thing is for sure for this moment: the
>"don-rosa" index will remain on ftp as a separate file!
Right! And I would kind of like to see the "van-horn" index stay as well.
Which reminds me, will you update that with the new info from list members
or should I do it?
Whew! That'd be my two cents worth for several days to come!
/Fredrik
"Phooey on bears! Phooey, phooey and phooey!"
Fredrik Ekman
Various replies...
Message 12 -
1993-10-02 at 00:07:05
Hourch!
Lately, my e-mail has been behaving very strangely. For example:
Yesterday, I got Don Rosa's message that he had returned from
Norway, to which I responded. Today, I got not only my own re-
sponse, but also Don's letter where he said that he was _leaving_
for Norway! And replies have arrived several days before the
letters they replied to. So if I seem confused, that's just
natural... Oh well, here are some various replies to recent
postings:
David wrote:
>Would any of you mind answering a posted questionaire which I
>would use to analyze the lives of Disney comic collectors...
I wouldn't mind at all. On the other hand, I don't conisder myself as
being a collector. "Fan" might perhaps be a better description...
And Mark Semich:
>I just read William Van Horn's "Spotless Don" in WDC&S 588.
>
>Although I love the duck stories, I must confess that I'm not
>extremely well read in them. Has Donald ever been referred to as
>"Don" in any published stories before? It certainly struck me as
>different.
On at least one occasion: "Christmas on Bear Mountain", last seen in
DiDDA 9, I think. On the very last page $crooge says "Have some more
soda, Don!" (quoted from memory). As I'm sure most of you already know,
this story feature $crooge's first appearance. And if I ever got around
to listing my favourite Barks stories, this one would certainly be
included.
Finally, Harry on the subject of the FTP indexes:
>Maybe it is time to re-arrange some of the information, because a lot of
>information is listed 3 or 4 times (especially story credits).
>One solution would be to give each story a unique code (mostly the story
>code, but in case of newspaper strips, an own code would be easier), and
>make indexes by story code.
>Such "story code indexes" (D-index, H-index, AR-index etc.) would list
>the credits, number of pages, an original title (or always an English
>title?), and the exact dates in case of a newspaper strip.
>Then the "indexes by publication" will contain only a story code, and maybe
>a title. For stories of unknown origin, the "index by publication" entry will
>still contain all information it contains now.
>
>We could make programs to generate complete "indexes by publication", or
>indexes by artist, for whoever would want those.
I have for a fact thought about this, and although I am in favour of such
a solution, there are some things to consider. For one thing; many people
may not have access to a suitable compiler (I assume we would make these
programs in C, as that is the most portable computer language today) and
even if they do, compiling the programs may seem a nuisance. Having people
order thier indexes from you or anyone else wouldn't be completely
satisfying either. Right now, I can think of two possible solutions.
1) Let's reconstruct the indexes and make programs according to Harry's
specifications. (Who's gonna write the programs by the way? Harry?) Then
the programs and files could be put on some computer where people could
log on with TELNET and use the programs to extract whatever info they want.
No, don't tell me. I *know* that this is neither very practical nor worth
the effort. I'm just trying to examine all possibilities.
2) Construct the programs and indexes as in solution 1. Then put them all
on the FTP archive and finally extract such indexes as we think interesting
and put them _too_ on the archive in some special directory created for
that purpose. This would, obviously, still leave us with a lot of redundant
information, but now we have a way of extracting whatever we want and the
redundancy would be only to increase the accessability. (Please remember
that English is not my native language. :-)
>As far as I'm concerned, one thing is for sure for this moment: the
>"don-rosa" index will remain on ftp as a separate file!
Right! And I would kind of like to see the "van-horn" index stay as well.
Which reminds me, will you update that with the new info from list members
or should I do it?
Whew! That'd be my two cents worth for several days to come!
/Fredrik
"Phooey on bears! Phooey, phooey and phooey!"
Lately, my e-mail has been behaving very strangely. For example:
Yesterday, I got Don Rosa's message that he had returned from
Norway, to which I responded. Today, I got not only my own re-
sponse, but also Don's letter where he said that he was _leaving_
for Norway! And replies have arrived several days before the
letters they replied to. So if I seem confused, that's just
natural... Oh well, here are some various replies to recent
postings:
David wrote:
>Would any of you mind answering a posted questionaire which I
>would use to analyze the lives of Disney comic collectors...
I wouldn't mind at all. On the other hand, I don't conisder myself as
being a collector. "Fan" might perhaps be a better description...
And Mark Semich:
>I just read William Van Horn's "Spotless Don" in WDC&S 588.
>
>Although I love the duck stories, I must confess that I'm not
>extremely well read in them. Has Donald ever been referred to as
>"Don" in any published stories before? It certainly struck me as
>different.
On at least one occasion: "Christmas on Bear Mountain", last seen in
DiDDA 9, I think. On the very last page $crooge says "Have some more
soda, Don!" (quoted from memory). As I'm sure most of you already know,
this story feature $crooge's first appearance. And if I ever got around
to listing my favourite Barks stories, this one would certainly be
included.
Finally, Harry on the subject of the FTP indexes:
>Maybe it is time to re-arrange some of the information, because a lot of
>information is listed 3 or 4 times (especially story credits).
>One solution would be to give each story a unique code (mostly the story
>code, but in case of newspaper strips, an own code would be easier), and
>make indexes by story code.
>Such "story code indexes" (D-index, H-index, AR-index etc.) would list
>the credits, number of pages, an original title (or always an English
>title?), and the exact dates in case of a newspaper strip.
>Then the "indexes by publication" will contain only a story code, and maybe
>a title. For stories of unknown origin, the "index by publication" entry will
>still contain all information it contains now.
>
>We could make programs to generate complete "indexes by publication", or
>indexes by artist, for whoever would want those.
I have for a fact thought about this, and although I am in favour of such
a solution, there are some things to consider. For one thing; many people
may not have access to a suitable compiler (I assume we would make these
programs in C, as that is the most portable computer language today) and
even if they do, compiling the programs may seem a nuisance. Having people
order thier indexes from you or anyone else wouldn't be completely
satisfying either. Right now, I can think of two possible solutions.
1) Let's reconstruct the indexes and make programs according to Harry's
specifications. (Who's gonna write the programs by the way? Harry?) Then
the programs and files could be put on some computer where people could
log on with TELNET and use the programs to extract whatever info they want.
No, don't tell me. I *know* that this is neither very practical nor worth
the effort. I'm just trying to examine all possibilities.
2) Construct the programs and indexes as in solution 1. Then put them all
on the FTP archive and finally extract such indexes as we think interesting
and put them _too_ on the archive in some special directory created for
that purpose. This would, obviously, still leave us with a lot of redundant
information, but now we have a way of extracting whatever we want and the
redundancy would be only to increase the accessability. (Please remember
that English is not my native language. :-)
>As far as I'm concerned, one thing is for sure for this moment: the
>"don-rosa" index will remain on ftp as a separate file!
Right! And I would kind of like to see the "van-horn" index stay as well.
Which reminds me, will you update that with the new info from list members
or should I do it?
Whew! That'd be my two cents worth for several days to come!
/Fredrik
"Phooey on bears! Phooey, phooey and phooey!"
Henri Rantanen
Posters...
Message 13 -
1993-10-02 at 03:07:56
Not so long ago, I asked about posters of Don Rosa art...
Yeps, I did see the answer from Don Rosa himself. But I do not want
(oh well, I'd LOVE to, but I am not rich...) to buy the original art,
just to know if there are any posters available for the public. I haven't
see them anywhere here in Finland, and the catalogs I have from the States
do not have them either... Do those exist? I mean that they surely would
have a market HERE...
Don Rosa is NOT so famous in the USA? That sure comes as a surprise for me!
Here in Finland he is becoming more popular, and I sure hope he gets the
deserved 'push' there too. Not so much is known about him here, but his art
shows more often in the magazine. Have you given an interview to the folks
of the Finnish maggy yet? If not, perhaps one would do no harm...
-Henri
Yeps, I did see the answer from Don Rosa himself. But I do not want
(oh well, I'd LOVE to, but I am not rich...) to buy the original art,
just to know if there are any posters available for the public. I haven't
see them anywhere here in Finland, and the catalogs I have from the States
do not have them either... Do those exist? I mean that they surely would
have a market HERE...
Don Rosa is NOT so famous in the USA? That sure comes as a surprise for me!
Here in Finland he is becoming more popular, and I sure hope he gets the
deserved 'push' there too. Not so much is known about him here, but his art
shows more often in the magazine. Have you given an interview to the folks
of the Finnish maggy yet? If not, perhaps one would do no harm...
-Henri
Don Rosa
+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #115.
Message 14 -
1993-10-02 at 15:44:44
COMMENTS ON #115:
Yow! These Digests useta be so SHORT. I had to read through
that'n so quickly that I may have missed something.
What questions was I asked?
I don't know when they'll use my "Guardians of the Lost
Library". It has only been used in Norway as of now, and I don't know if
that means Gladstone can use it or if they still have to wait for a few
other Egmont branches to use it. It's a 28 pager, and a bit preachy
since it was done to fill a certain "educational" need, as was that "War
of the Wendigo" story. I was afraid it read like "Donald and the Wheel"
or something, but some folks have said it's my "best story". You'll need
to judge for yourself -- but STOP calling it the "origin of the
Woodchucks"! It's not the origin of the Woodchucks (I deal with that in
the "Life & Times of $McD" part 10), but it has something to do with the
origin of their GUIDEBOOK.... but you are not supposed to know THAT
until the second-to-last page!!! In Norway they gave away the ending of
the story on the COVER! That's a lil' bit irritating for a writer to
see, y'knowwhatimean?
What other old Barks stories or Disney stories do I think should
be banned from the "popular editions". Definitely anything involving
INDIANS! Besides that, I'd hafta see some example to think on it. All I
know is that I would be really p*ssed off if I saw a new comic that had
the story hinge on what a good gag it is that Donald killed an eagle
instead of something WORTH killing. Yow! There must be other stories
like that. And I guess I'd have a hard time arguing against them
removing the noses and lips from Foola Zoola and his gang. The only
problem, as I said before, is Disney does not seek to preserve a version
for the historians... the changes must be made overall.
Speaking of banned stuff, Disney is still changing everything
they can think of in current printings. The problem is that there are
people at Disney whose job it is to look through Disney comic stories,
foreign or old Dell stuff, and find things to change. If they don't find
anything to change, their job is NOT NEEDED. So they MUST create
problems and then save the world by solving them so their bosses will be
happy with their work. Their job is not to solve problems but to make
their jobs necessary. In that reprinting of "Omelet", Disney told
Gladstone to omit the line where an Omelet citizen, fleeing the sunken,
burning city, says "At least we had insurance!" Disney preferred it to
look like Donald had ruined the entire town's lifesavings and future
rather than have someone seem like they were benefiting from insurance
fraud (since they were burning their own town)???? Disney also told
Gladstone to delete all the dialect from all my Scottish characters in
the "Life of $McD" series.
Gladstone just ignored both directives.
Fredrik -- what had you said about the art in "Wendigo"? I think
you just said it "wasn't outstanding", but I still hoped you'd help me
by explaining why so that I could improve. I'll look back at that one
drawing of Donald -- it's very common that I do bizarrely bad drawings
that I usually catch myself, but some might slip by! And that last scene
with the saluting animals was just to pander a bit to the publishers'
reasons for having me do a story on that specific topic. A bit too
sugary? Maybe so.
I failed to say hello to MATTIAS last time! This guy is one of
the people who are so very nice to me when I visit Sweden! Anyway,
what's going on with Stefan and his translations? Doesn't he need any
questions answered? I never hear from him! I'm always anxious to help
because I see what a mess some countries are making of that "Life of
$crooge" series. In Holland they use the chapters out of order,
seemingly on purpose... and in England they begin with part 3 and, even
though they have my English script, they still change the wordings and
ruin lots of meaning. I sure look forward to Gladstone's use!
That Donald Duck Viking cover. It was my intention that the big
guy be peering from in between the logo lines. The idea was that it
would make him look big? I never say my ideas are good! When I see the
actual comic, I might not like it either!
I also did the cover to Barks' "Money Well" issue, contrary to
what the ads say. They wanted me to do the cover for my "Lillehammer"
story, but I said that I preferred to forget that one.
David -- pertaining to Grandma Duck's actual name. I base my
"Life of $crooge" on Barks, but if there was ever some fact revealed,
especially concerning a non-Barks character like her, if there was
nothing wrong with the fact or name, I sought not to act arrogant and
allow other sources to determine such factors. In my complete and
detailed index to WDC&S (that I mentioned doing about 17 years ago) I
made a note about what Grandma's name was given as, and I hunted it down
since I deal with Grandma in part 10 of "life". Her name is Elvira. And
I decided her maiden name was COOT. She is the owner of all the land
around Duckburg from whom $crooge buys it when he arrives in 1902.
As to when I say $crooge died (1967) or what other writers might
do with $crooge. What does it matter. I don't demand (or even request)
that any other writer or artist follow my blueprnt of $crooge's life. I
think I've created one that all CAN follow and create good stories
from... but they don't have to. Barks did his Ducks. I do mine (based on
Barks', but their mine) and everyone else decides what theirs are.
Anarchy? Yeah. I would like to think my Ducks are the same as Barks, but
apparently that idea disgusts Barks, so my Ducks are just my Ducks.
Gotta go!
Yow! These Digests useta be so SHORT. I had to read through
that'n so quickly that I may have missed something.
What questions was I asked?
I don't know when they'll use my "Guardians of the Lost
Library". It has only been used in Norway as of now, and I don't know if
that means Gladstone can use it or if they still have to wait for a few
other Egmont branches to use it. It's a 28 pager, and a bit preachy
since it was done to fill a certain "educational" need, as was that "War
of the Wendigo" story. I was afraid it read like "Donald and the Wheel"
or something, but some folks have said it's my "best story". You'll need
to judge for yourself -- but STOP calling it the "origin of the
Woodchucks"! It's not the origin of the Woodchucks (I deal with that in
the "Life & Times of $McD" part 10), but it has something to do with the
origin of their GUIDEBOOK.... but you are not supposed to know THAT
until the second-to-last page!!! In Norway they gave away the ending of
the story on the COVER! That's a lil' bit irritating for a writer to
see, y'knowwhatimean?
What other old Barks stories or Disney stories do I think should
be banned from the "popular editions". Definitely anything involving
INDIANS! Besides that, I'd hafta see some example to think on it. All I
know is that I would be really p*ssed off if I saw a new comic that had
the story hinge on what a good gag it is that Donald killed an eagle
instead of something WORTH killing. Yow! There must be other stories
like that. And I guess I'd have a hard time arguing against them
removing the noses and lips from Foola Zoola and his gang. The only
problem, as I said before, is Disney does not seek to preserve a version
for the historians... the changes must be made overall.
Speaking of banned stuff, Disney is still changing everything
they can think of in current printings. The problem is that there are
people at Disney whose job it is to look through Disney comic stories,
foreign or old Dell stuff, and find things to change. If they don't find
anything to change, their job is NOT NEEDED. So they MUST create
problems and then save the world by solving them so their bosses will be
happy with their work. Their job is not to solve problems but to make
their jobs necessary. In that reprinting of "Omelet", Disney told
Gladstone to omit the line where an Omelet citizen, fleeing the sunken,
burning city, says "At least we had insurance!" Disney preferred it to
look like Donald had ruined the entire town's lifesavings and future
rather than have someone seem like they were benefiting from insurance
fraud (since they were burning their own town)???? Disney also told
Gladstone to delete all the dialect from all my Scottish characters in
the "Life of $McD" series.
Gladstone just ignored both directives.
Fredrik -- what had you said about the art in "Wendigo"? I think
you just said it "wasn't outstanding", but I still hoped you'd help me
by explaining why so that I could improve. I'll look back at that one
drawing of Donald -- it's very common that I do bizarrely bad drawings
that I usually catch myself, but some might slip by! And that last scene
with the saluting animals was just to pander a bit to the publishers'
reasons for having me do a story on that specific topic. A bit too
sugary? Maybe so.
I failed to say hello to MATTIAS last time! This guy is one of
the people who are so very nice to me when I visit Sweden! Anyway,
what's going on with Stefan and his translations? Doesn't he need any
questions answered? I never hear from him! I'm always anxious to help
because I see what a mess some countries are making of that "Life of
$crooge" series. In Holland they use the chapters out of order,
seemingly on purpose... and in England they begin with part 3 and, even
though they have my English script, they still change the wordings and
ruin lots of meaning. I sure look forward to Gladstone's use!
That Donald Duck Viking cover. It was my intention that the big
guy be peering from in between the logo lines. The idea was that it
would make him look big? I never say my ideas are good! When I see the
actual comic, I might not like it either!
I also did the cover to Barks' "Money Well" issue, contrary to
what the ads say. They wanted me to do the cover for my "Lillehammer"
story, but I said that I preferred to forget that one.
David -- pertaining to Grandma Duck's actual name. I base my
"Life of $crooge" on Barks, but if there was ever some fact revealed,
especially concerning a non-Barks character like her, if there was
nothing wrong with the fact or name, I sought not to act arrogant and
allow other sources to determine such factors. In my complete and
detailed index to WDC&S (that I mentioned doing about 17 years ago) I
made a note about what Grandma's name was given as, and I hunted it down
since I deal with Grandma in part 10 of "life". Her name is Elvira. And
I decided her maiden name was COOT. She is the owner of all the land
around Duckburg from whom $crooge buys it when he arrives in 1902.
As to when I say $crooge died (1967) or what other writers might
do with $crooge. What does it matter. I don't demand (or even request)
that any other writer or artist follow my blueprnt of $crooge's life. I
think I've created one that all CAN follow and create good stories
from... but they don't have to. Barks did his Ducks. I do mine (based on
Barks', but their mine) and everyone else decides what theirs are.
Anarchy? Yeah. I would like to think my Ducks are the same as Barks, but
apparently that idea disgusts Barks, so my Ducks are just my Ducks.
Gotta go!
David A Gerstein
More German character names
Message 15 -
1993-10-02 at 19:58:07
Dear Folks,
Just remembered a few *more* German character names! Gotta do
my duty... (I've given translations when the names have been
particularly interesting, as in yesterday's listing)
Gyro's helper = Hilferlein
Moby Duck = (Same)
Dimwitty Duck = Doofy ("Dopey")
Br'er (Riley) Rabbit = Vetter Hansi Hase
Molly Rabbit = Molly
Butch (in MM strip 1930/31) = Dicker ("Fatty")
April, May and June = Dicky, Dacky und Ducky
Morty and Ferdie Fieldmouse = Mack und Muck
Launchpad McQuack = Quack
Webbigail [feh!] = Nicky
Kat Nipp = Kipp der Kater [Was this in your list at all?]
Creamo Catnera = Willi Wumm [Was *this* in your list at all?]
Junior Woodchucks = Die Faehnlein Feiselschweif
Updated German listings for:
Donald Duck (pre-WWII) = Schnatterich ("Blabbermouth")
(post-WWII) = Donald Duck
Huey, Dewey and Louie (1951) = Rip, Rap, Rup
(1952-present) = Tick, Trick, Track
Jiminy Cricket (1951) = Jiminy Grashuepfer
(1952-present) = Jiminy Grille
Chip 'n' Dale (at first) = Schlipp und Schlupp
(then) = Ahoernchen und Behoernchen
(1990-present) = Chip und Chap
The first German issue of postwar Disney comics (Sept. 1951)
began with Barks' "Gladstone Returns" (WDC&S 95) in painted color.
All German Disney comics had painted color at first, absolutely
beautiful! The other first Barks stories to appear in German were
from WDC&S 78 ("Jam Robbers"), WDC&S 86 ("Fireman Donald"), and WDC&S
100 ("Truant Officer Donald"). The first long Gottfredson story to be
published, I believe, was "An Education for Thursday" (although some
also appeared prior to Hitler's 1938 ban as well), which appeared in
an extra-length special of 1952.
In the first few issues of the German comics the names of
Donald's nephews and of a few others were inconsistent, hence the
above.
One updated Italian listing:
Minnie Mouse (early 1930s) = Topolina
(mid '30s-present) = Minni
Why in the world was *this* change made? As it stands now,
Minnie's Italian name is certainly closer to the English than any of
the others' names, but seems out of *place* beside the others' names,
too.
That's all for now.
David Gerstein
"I'm Mickey Mouse... you know, Mickey *Mouse*? I hope...
you've heard of me! I hope!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Just remembered a few *more* German character names! Gotta do
my duty... (I've given translations when the names have been
particularly interesting, as in yesterday's listing)
Gyro's helper = Hilferlein
Moby Duck = (Same)
Dimwitty Duck = Doofy ("Dopey")
Br'er (Riley) Rabbit = Vetter Hansi Hase
Molly Rabbit = Molly
Butch (in MM strip 1930/31) = Dicker ("Fatty")
April, May and June = Dicky, Dacky und Ducky
Morty and Ferdie Fieldmouse = Mack und Muck
Launchpad McQuack = Quack
Webbigail [feh!] = Nicky
Kat Nipp = Kipp der Kater [Was this in your list at all?]
Creamo Catnera = Willi Wumm [Was *this* in your list at all?]
Junior Woodchucks = Die Faehnlein Feiselschweif
Updated German listings for:
Donald Duck (pre-WWII) = Schnatterich ("Blabbermouth")
(post-WWII) = Donald Duck
Huey, Dewey and Louie (1951) = Rip, Rap, Rup
(1952-present) = Tick, Trick, Track
Jiminy Cricket (1951) = Jiminy Grashuepfer
(1952-present) = Jiminy Grille
Chip 'n' Dale (at first) = Schlipp und Schlupp
(then) = Ahoernchen und Behoernchen
(1990-present) = Chip und Chap
The first German issue of postwar Disney comics (Sept. 1951)
began with Barks' "Gladstone Returns" (WDC&S 95) in painted color.
All German Disney comics had painted color at first, absolutely
beautiful! The other first Barks stories to appear in German were
from WDC&S 78 ("Jam Robbers"), WDC&S 86 ("Fireman Donald"), and WDC&S
100 ("Truant Officer Donald"). The first long Gottfredson story to be
published, I believe, was "An Education for Thursday" (although some
also appeared prior to Hitler's 1938 ban as well), which appeared in
an extra-length special of 1952.
In the first few issues of the German comics the names of
Donald's nephews and of a few others were inconsistent, hence the
above.
One updated Italian listing:
Minnie Mouse (early 1930s) = Topolina
(mid '30s-present) = Minni
Why in the world was *this* change made? As it stands now,
Minnie's Italian name is certainly closer to the English than any of
the others' names, but seems out of *place* beside the others' names,
too.
That's all for now.
David Gerstein
"I'm Mickey Mouse... you know, Mickey *Mouse*? I hope...
you've heard of me! I hope!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>