>What do people think about Don Rosa using the Phantom Blot in
>a Scrooge story?
As much as I love Don Rosa's Scrooge and Donald, I think he would do a
poor Mickey. Don's strength is comedy and adventure, not suspense.
In the last issue of Uncle Scrooge, Gladstone states plainly that
Disney would no longer allow team-ups between Scrooge and Mickey.
Why?
Author
Topic: 199310
(214 messages)
James Williams
Disney-comics digest #119.
Message 61 -
1993-10-06 at 15:17:11
Harry Fluks
Jippes
Message 62 -
1993-10-06 at 15:47:38
David wrote:
> Someone (I think Harry Fluks):
>
> (BTW: David, tell the Gladstone people to put more Jippes in their comics.
> There still are a few Milton/Jippes stories not reprinted in the USA.)
>
> *WHICH* Milton/Jippes stories? Tell me, and you've got them
> requested... and if I do the requesting, I also get to dialog
> 'em!!!!!!!! Since I can translate Dutch and no one else at Gladstone
> can, or so it seems!!! Oh, boy, oh, boy!
Of course it was me. Who else would care to promote Jippes? 8-)
BTW: how come you can translate Dutch? (BTOW: I think most of the Milton/Jippes
stories are originally written in English, because neither of them speak the
other's language.)
1st: when are they going to print the Barks/Jippes Woodchuck stories?
2nd: there are a few Jippes stories in my Dutch list that are not in the
Gladstone list. Some of them are very good. Maybe they rejected them
because of the use of violence or ???
Here's a list: (don't worry, it's only 7 entries; short enough to skip it 8-)
3p. H DD-7413 donald in patat-a-la-petoet
Jippes' very first Donald Duck story. The 1949 Barks style is a bit
exaggerated here. But it would be a nice filler.
10p. H DD-781 liters lekkere levertraan... (by Milton+Jippes)
Donald versus Gladstone. Very good!
10p. H DD-7809 donald in disco-ducks (by Milton+Jippes)
Donald versus Gladstone again. Very good again. Maybe too violent?
At the end, Donald's house has been totally destroyed.
10p. H DD-7801 televisie-bewaking (inked by Verhagen)
A story in the 50s style of Barks (with shorter beaks). Quite good.
(notice the obviously erroneous story codes...)
10p. H 8382 luchtballon (script Kruse)
This story was published when Gladstone was not around. (In Dutch DD
43-1991.) Not an excellent story, but good artwork.
1p. een lot voor guus geluk (Gladstone gag)
A one-pager from 1974. Published in Dutch album "DD en andere verhalen"
#20. I guess noone noticed this gag. I don't even know the code.
1.5p. H 8263 met gelijke munt
A one-and-a-half page gag about Donald swimming in his comics, just
like Scrooge swims in his money. Could be used on special occasions,
like the x00th copy of a comic.
Jippes did some more, but they can't be used. Like Hiawatha stories, special
jubileum stories etc.
And as I said before, it is time to reprint some of the best stories from
Gladstone's beginning. The stories deserve it!
--Harry.
> Someone (I think Harry Fluks):
>
> (BTW: David, tell the Gladstone people to put more Jippes in their comics.
> There still are a few Milton/Jippes stories not reprinted in the USA.)
>
> *WHICH* Milton/Jippes stories? Tell me, and you've got them
> requested... and if I do the requesting, I also get to dialog
> 'em!!!!!!!! Since I can translate Dutch and no one else at Gladstone
> can, or so it seems!!! Oh, boy, oh, boy!
Of course it was me. Who else would care to promote Jippes? 8-)
BTW: how come you can translate Dutch? (BTOW: I think most of the Milton/Jippes
stories are originally written in English, because neither of them speak the
other's language.)
1st: when are they going to print the Barks/Jippes Woodchuck stories?
2nd: there are a few Jippes stories in my Dutch list that are not in the
Gladstone list. Some of them are very good. Maybe they rejected them
because of the use of violence or ???
Here's a list: (don't worry, it's only 7 entries; short enough to skip it 8-)
3p. H DD-7413 donald in patat-a-la-petoet
Jippes' very first Donald Duck story. The 1949 Barks style is a bit
exaggerated here. But it would be a nice filler.
10p. H DD-781 liters lekkere levertraan... (by Milton+Jippes)
Donald versus Gladstone. Very good!
10p. H DD-7809 donald in disco-ducks (by Milton+Jippes)
Donald versus Gladstone again. Very good again. Maybe too violent?
At the end, Donald's house has been totally destroyed.
10p. H DD-7801 televisie-bewaking (inked by Verhagen)
A story in the 50s style of Barks (with shorter beaks). Quite good.
(notice the obviously erroneous story codes...)
10p. H 8382 luchtballon (script Kruse)
This story was published when Gladstone was not around. (In Dutch DD
43-1991.) Not an excellent story, but good artwork.
1p. een lot voor guus geluk (Gladstone gag)
A one-pager from 1974. Published in Dutch album "DD en andere verhalen"
#20. I guess noone noticed this gag. I don't even know the code.
1.5p. H 8263 met gelijke munt
A one-and-a-half page gag about Donald swimming in his comics, just
like Scrooge swims in his money. Could be used on special occasions,
like the x00th copy of a comic.
Jippes did some more, but they can't be used. Like Hiawatha stories, special
jubileum stories etc.
And as I said before, it is time to reprint some of the best stories from
Gladstone's beginning. The stories deserve it!
--Harry.
Mattias Hallin
Mickey + $crooge = true
Message 63 -
1993-10-06 at 16:55:43
Said James Williams:
What Disney knows about American comic books wouldn't fill a thimble.
Crossovers are all the rage. With a little marketing, an annual Donald/
Mickey cross-over in D&M would probably sell better than a regular issue
of D&M. Only routine teamups would affect the characters adversely.
True enough: I only stated what I thought Disney thought - not what I thought
they ought to think, nor what I think myself
And the continued:
I wouldn't use Murry's PB as the basis for anything. While the concept
was neat the story was poorly done and PB was completely out of
character.
Nor would I (that was my whole point in mentioning them); I also heartily
concur in your evaluation.
You (and every other Donaldist) completely ignore Gottfredson's works.
Before Donald was a household name, he appeared as a supporting
character in Mickey Mouse's strip. I'll grant you that they don't live
in the same town now, if you'll grant me that they did live in the
same town in the past.
Now, this is where you jump the track completely; but - no fault of yours of
course, since I didn't give you my full argument from my article, where I deal
in DETAIL with Gottfredson's Mickey (and when I wrote this, I suddenly
rememberd that that's where and when I read that Disney don't like crossovers:
already in the thirties they pulled Donald out of the Mickey strip, because
they felt at that time the co-appearance would lessen the commercial value of
both characters) and the appearance therein of Donald Duck.
Also, both "Hometown" and "Mouseville" are municipalities from the Gottfredson
strips ("Hoppy the Kangaroo" and the original "Phantom Blot" story (can't
recall the exact title) respectively).
But anyway, I think (in Duck reality, not real reality, alack and alas!) that
Donald, who according to Don Rosa was/is born c 1920 (the June 6 1934 date is
RIDICULOUS: you have to be a LITTLE older than new-hatched to act Donald's part
in "The Wise Little Hen"), a date with which I agree, and who thus was a
teenager in the midthirties, well, he simply lived in MICKEY'S town before
permanently moving to the West Coast and eventually to Duckburg, Calisota,
probably some time in the early forties. I for one have NO problem with the
idea of a young Donald restlessly moving through the USA of the post-depression
era before settling down more permanently as he aquires the added
responsibility of caring for his nephews. So don't you say that I don't care
about Gottfredson, nor for that part Taliaferro, whom I also checked, to the
best of my abilities, for references (could only find a c 1941 Donald
Duck-adress: "Hollywood, USA").
Barks for his part has only two references to Mickey and the Ducks that I know
(the ducks don't appear in "Riddle of the Red Hat"): the "Mickey Mouses social
security number" gag in the radio prize shoe in WDC, and the less clear
reference in the "Donald sends the kids to Grandma/beds down/fights salesmen
story" (also WDC) where he says to himself (more or less) "I must call Daisy
and Mickey and all my friends and warn them not to ring the dorrbell once". But
this might of course be some other Mickey...? Weeeell... what do I know? I know
nuthing! I'm from Sweden.
And finally:
Agreed. This means that the story would probably have to occur on
neutral ground. Using a real location with a rich history would make
for a better story than using either Mouseton or Duckburg.
Yeah. True enough.
Mattias Hallin
"Root-te-toot, root-te-toot! I'm a girl from the institute!"
What Disney knows about American comic books wouldn't fill a thimble.
Crossovers are all the rage. With a little marketing, an annual Donald/
Mickey cross-over in D&M would probably sell better than a regular issue
of D&M. Only routine teamups would affect the characters adversely.
True enough: I only stated what I thought Disney thought - not what I thought
they ought to think, nor what I think myself
And the continued:
I wouldn't use Murry's PB as the basis for anything. While the concept
was neat the story was poorly done and PB was completely out of
character.
Nor would I (that was my whole point in mentioning them); I also heartily
concur in your evaluation.
You (and every other Donaldist) completely ignore Gottfredson's works.
Before Donald was a household name, he appeared as a supporting
character in Mickey Mouse's strip. I'll grant you that they don't live
in the same town now, if you'll grant me that they did live in the
same town in the past.
Now, this is where you jump the track completely; but - no fault of yours of
course, since I didn't give you my full argument from my article, where I deal
in DETAIL with Gottfredson's Mickey (and when I wrote this, I suddenly
rememberd that that's where and when I read that Disney don't like crossovers:
already in the thirties they pulled Donald out of the Mickey strip, because
they felt at that time the co-appearance would lessen the commercial value of
both characters) and the appearance therein of Donald Duck.
Also, both "Hometown" and "Mouseville" are municipalities from the Gottfredson
strips ("Hoppy the Kangaroo" and the original "Phantom Blot" story (can't
recall the exact title) respectively).
But anyway, I think (in Duck reality, not real reality, alack and alas!) that
Donald, who according to Don Rosa was/is born c 1920 (the June 6 1934 date is
RIDICULOUS: you have to be a LITTLE older than new-hatched to act Donald's part
in "The Wise Little Hen"), a date with which I agree, and who thus was a
teenager in the midthirties, well, he simply lived in MICKEY'S town before
permanently moving to the West Coast and eventually to Duckburg, Calisota,
probably some time in the early forties. I for one have NO problem with the
idea of a young Donald restlessly moving through the USA of the post-depression
era before settling down more permanently as he aquires the added
responsibility of caring for his nephews. So don't you say that I don't care
about Gottfredson, nor for that part Taliaferro, whom I also checked, to the
best of my abilities, for references (could only find a c 1941 Donald
Duck-adress: "Hollywood, USA").
Barks for his part has only two references to Mickey and the Ducks that I know
(the ducks don't appear in "Riddle of the Red Hat"): the "Mickey Mouses social
security number" gag in the radio prize shoe in WDC, and the less clear
reference in the "Donald sends the kids to Grandma/beds down/fights salesmen
story" (also WDC) where he says to himself (more or less) "I must call Daisy
and Mickey and all my friends and warn them not to ring the dorrbell once". But
this might of course be some other Mickey...? Weeeell... what do I know? I know
nuthing! I'm from Sweden.
And finally:
Agreed. This means that the story would probably have to occur on
neutral ground. Using a real location with a rich history would make
for a better story than using either Mouseton or Duckburg.
Yeah. True enough.
Mattias Hallin
"Root-te-toot, root-te-toot! I'm a girl from the institute!"
James Williams
Mickey + $crooge = true
Message 64 -
1993-10-06 at 17:00:43
>About what James Williams asked concerning why Disney don't allow $crooge
>and Mickey to appear together, I think I remember reading something a
>few years ago about how Disney feels this would weaken each characters
>commercial pontential. I dunno, but I think I saw sumpin' to that
>effect.
What Disney knows about American comic books wouldn't fill a thimble.
Crossovers are all the rage. With a little marketing, an annual Donald/
Mickey cross-over in D&M would probably sell better than a regular issue
of D&M. Only routine teamups would affect the characters adversely.
>I wrote an article (alas! in Swedish) in NAFS(k)uriren 23 about this
>very matter, and I found that with the basic exception for the Murry
>"Phantom Blot" stories, $crooge and Donald lives in Duckburg, Calisota,
>probably on the westcoast, while Mickey's adressess over the years has
>been "Hometown", "Mouseville", "Burbank" and "Mouseton".
Two comments:
I wouldn't use Murry's PB as the basis for anything. While the concept
was neat the story was poorly done and PB was completely out of
character.
You (and every other Donaldist) completely ignore Gottfredson's works.
Before Donald was a household name, he appeared as a supporting
character in Mickey Mouse's strip. I'll grant you that they don't live
in the same town now, if you'll grant me that they did live in the
same town in the past.
>BUT, also from a donaldistic viewpoint, it is HIGHLY debateable at
>least wether the (Barks) ducks live in the same town or even the same
>part of the USA as Mickey and his friends.
Agreed. This means that the story would probably have to occur on
neutral ground. Using a real location with a rich history would make
for a better story than using either Mouseton or Duckburg.
>and Mickey to appear together, I think I remember reading something a
>few years ago about how Disney feels this would weaken each characters
>commercial pontential. I dunno, but I think I saw sumpin' to that
>effect.
What Disney knows about American comic books wouldn't fill a thimble.
Crossovers are all the rage. With a little marketing, an annual Donald/
Mickey cross-over in D&M would probably sell better than a regular issue
of D&M. Only routine teamups would affect the characters adversely.
>I wrote an article (alas! in Swedish) in NAFS(k)uriren 23 about this
>very matter, and I found that with the basic exception for the Murry
>"Phantom Blot" stories, $crooge and Donald lives in Duckburg, Calisota,
>probably on the westcoast, while Mickey's adressess over the years has
>been "Hometown", "Mouseville", "Burbank" and "Mouseton".
Two comments:
I wouldn't use Murry's PB as the basis for anything. While the concept
was neat the story was poorly done and PB was completely out of
character.
You (and every other Donaldist) completely ignore Gottfredson's works.
Before Donald was a household name, he appeared as a supporting
character in Mickey Mouse's strip. I'll grant you that they don't live
in the same town now, if you'll grant me that they did live in the
same town in the past.
>BUT, also from a donaldistic viewpoint, it is HIGHLY debateable at
>least wether the (Barks) ducks live in the same town or even the same
>part of the USA as Mickey and his friends.
Agreed. This means that the story would probably have to occur on
neutral ground. Using a real location with a rich history would make
for a better story than using either Mouseton or Duckburg.
Per Starback
Fethry in the 1960s USA
Message 65 -
1993-10-06 at 22:17:54
David wrote:
> Now for a little information on Cousin Fethry. I first note
> him appearing about 1964 in the U. S., and he's in a lot of Tony
> Strobl-drawn stories from the period.
So they were made almost at the same time as the Fethry stories drawn
by Al Hubbard for the foreign market! (Strobl did lots of S-coded
Fethrys later on here.) So now I don't know who the first artist on
Fethry was, something I thought I knew just a couple of days ago.
> It would be interesting to see the story in WDC&S 509 and see
> if Fethry speaks in hipper-than-thou lingo. I certainly hope not.
He only has a small part (one page), and there's nothing strange about
his speech at all.
> So someone on the list has WDC&S 509... does anyone you know
> have #510? That, Whitman's last issue, contained an Egmont Daniel
> Branca story!
Sure, I have #510 too. I remember being very disappointed in getting
a D-coded story when subscribing to American books. There were enough
of those in the Swedish books.
> "We didn't realize," they said, "that it was one of the TWO Danish
> stories Whitman published shortly before giving up on comics..." TWO?
> What's the other one? Sounds like it's one Gladstone never used.
I haven't the faintest. It's not in any of the last Whitman WDC's
though, so it must have been in some other title.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
> Now for a little information on Cousin Fethry. I first note
> him appearing about 1964 in the U. S., and he's in a lot of Tony
> Strobl-drawn stories from the period.
So they were made almost at the same time as the Fethry stories drawn
by Al Hubbard for the foreign market! (Strobl did lots of S-coded
Fethrys later on here.) So now I don't know who the first artist on
Fethry was, something I thought I knew just a couple of days ago.
> It would be interesting to see the story in WDC&S 509 and see
> if Fethry speaks in hipper-than-thou lingo. I certainly hope not.
He only has a small part (one page), and there's nothing strange about
his speech at all.
> So someone on the list has WDC&S 509... does anyone you know
> have #510? That, Whitman's last issue, contained an Egmont Daniel
> Branca story!
Sure, I have #510 too. I remember being very disappointed in getting
a D-coded story when subscribing to American books. There were enough
of those in the Swedish books.
> "We didn't realize," they said, "that it was one of the TWO Danish
> stories Whitman published shortly before giving up on comics..." TWO?
> What's the other one? Sounds like it's one Gladstone never used.
I haven't the faintest. It's not in any of the last Whitman WDC's
though, so it must have been in some other title.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Per Starback
Currencies in Duckburg
Message 66 -
1993-10-06 at 23:00:21
Harry:
> One big disadvantage for the German speaking is that they have no symbol for
> the 'Taler' (like $ for dollar). This means in the various Scrooge comics,
> that they replace the $ by a big T, or just delete it! I've seen a German
> version of "The Magic Hourglass", where all the $$ are removed! (Remember
> the scenes where Scrooge eats an egg in his home.)
In fact I didn't (I looked it up now), but most of such $'s are
removed in Sweden too. Sometimes they are replaced by "KR" for Kronor,
and sometimes they are replaced by Scrooge's monogram "JvA" (Joakim
von Anka). Moneybags with "$" in the original sometimes get "100000"
or something like that instead.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"My eggs should be done to *perfection*--- *ULP!*"
> One big disadvantage for the German speaking is that they have no symbol for
> the 'Taler' (like $ for dollar). This means in the various Scrooge comics,
> that they replace the $ by a big T, or just delete it! I've seen a German
> version of "The Magic Hourglass", where all the $$ are removed! (Remember
> the scenes where Scrooge eats an egg in his home.)
In fact I didn't (I looked it up now), but most of such $'s are
removed in Sweden too. Sometimes they are replaced by "KR" for Kronor,
and sometimes they are replaced by Scrooge's monogram "JvA" (Joakim
von Anka). Moneybags with "$" in the original sometimes get "100000"
or something like that instead.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"My eggs should be done to *perfection*--- *ULP!*"
Gadducci
Gawsh... (Fabio)
Message 67 -
1993-10-07 at 00:23:22
As usual, I'm sending out a "digest" with my 2 cents coins...
A lot of time ago, Harry wrote
>> Now about my favourite stories... Well, I do not think I can list only TEN
>> stories... Maybe my Barks' favourite one is the full version of "Back to
>> the Klondike" (if I HAD to decide), and that is probably my favourite duck
>> story, too, even if there are at least a couple of Italian (which are
>> linked to my childhood) by Romano Scarpa (Zio Paperone e le lenticchie di
>> Babilonia) and Pezzin-Cavazzano (Paperino e l'isola vulcano) which are
>> close enough...
>> (ok, go on: flame me :-)
>
>I remember a LOT of VERY BAD Italian stories, and a few good ones:
>Scrooge in search of a fish for a 'kaibi' bird, featuring something like
> 'the Flying Dutchman';
>Scrooge and Donald on a butterfly hunt, featuring Brigitta MacBridge
>
>I think those two were early Scarpa stories; they were printed in Holland
>in the early 70s.
>
>> And for Gottfredson... well, surely Island in the Sky from the Thirties,
>> but his best stuff is maybe from the Forties (even if I do not remember the
>> English titles...). More on this next time... :-)
>
>I disagree: the best stuff is from the 30s! In the 40s, you get the stories
>with Eega Beeva, which are quite OK (but not the best), and after that, well..
>
>> [Scrooge has a] Scottish accent? I was absolutely sure he talked in a plain
>> Italian... :-)
>
>But if I remember well, the Italian Disney characters do GRUNT, SNORT and
>make other noises in English! And Scrooge has dollars in his money bin.
>Does that mean that Duckburg is in the USA, even in the Italian translations?
>(In Holland, Duckburg is in some undefined country, but they pay in
>guilders.)
>
Mmmmm, I think I got an enemy, here...
First of all, remember the Sturgeon Law: more than 90% of the [science
fiction] published stuff is crap!! I think that it can applied to the comic
medium as a whole, and as a particular case to Disney books...
Then, about the stories. Both of them by Scarpa, as already Per pointed
out: the first one is "Zio Paperone e lo Scozzese Volante" and the second
one is "Paperino e la farfalla di Colombo". Both of them wonderful stories
(obviously :-), but not my favourite from Scarpa that is "Paperone e le
lenticchie di Babilonia" (it appeared in a thick digest: it involves
$crooge trying to became the king in the ... trading. Besides, Scarpa is
maybe better as a Mickey artist...
And about Mickey: Gottfredson himself told that his best drawn material was
from the Sixties... Let's just say that I prefer the third way, a god mix
of drawning and plotting: in this sense, his stuff from the Forties is
maybe his best...
Was I was VERY young, it was obvious to me that the only language of the
world was Italian, and I've got at that time my 'mental voices' of all the
ducks...
Actually, the characters grunt and snort, and they use dollars: it is
always clear that Duckburg (Paperopoli) is somewhere in the USA, most
likely California... and not so far from Mouseville (Topolinia), too!
Actually, in the last years there were many team-ups between Mickey and
$crooge in the Italian stories, even if, now that I think about it, they
disappeared after that the Italian Disney took over Mondadori...
Now David, about vegetarian ducks (and mice): in the last issue of Minnie &
Co., Minnie officially stated that she is a vegetarian... The story was
really bad, and besides the statement about the vegetarianism was
absolutely out of context, completely unrelated to the story itself...
And about underused characters: in the first years of the Seventies,
Mondadori (back then the publisher in Italy of Disney material) decided to
reprint almost all of the Thirties stuff by Gottfredson in a low price
series called "Nel Regno di Topolino". After that, during the Seventies
many authors used characters as Sylvester Shyster, Eli Squinch and *Butch*:
almost all of them got a little restyling, so it could be nice (and maybe
useful) if you give a look at them!!
And now, a very sad note: Topi wrote, about Disney worst stories...
> Anything by Cavazzano.
>
And then, Harry:
>Who is that? One of the Italian artists? How can I recognize him? Any USA
>reprints?
>
Again,, Per:
>I also wonder who this Cavazzano is. How come Luigi lists him as
>his favourite author next to Barks and Topi says that anything by
>Cavazzano is the worst?
Finally, 'OLE':
>Fredrik:
>>My favorite authors are: Barks (?!), Giorgio Cavazzano and Don Rosa.
>Topi:
>>Subject: Re: Worst Disney Stories
>>Anything by Cavazzano.
>Fabio:
>> Now about my favourite stories...[deleted]...and Pezzin-Cavazzano (Paperino
>> e l'isola vulcano) which are close enough...
>> (ok, go on: flame me :-)
>
>So, who *is* this Cavazzano? He's not listed in the CREATORS file...
>
>A Bop, Bop theory: Maybe that comma is a tired bug?
>
Gosh, I am so sad...
Cavazzano IS surely the best Italian Disney artists since the
mid-Seventies: his work was seminal for all the other Italian Disney
artists of the last ten years, and it is heavily copied, sometimes with
very good results (as for Massimo de Vita).
It is a pity that noone of his stories has been published in the USA, since
IMHO he is one of the best Disney artists ever.
A proposal for David: you wrote
> I think the major reason that Fethry died out here is that he
>was linked to a culture -- 1960s hippies -- which went out of style,
>and the type of story done for the foreign market -- in which he was
>an interesting character, not a stereotype -- was never seen here.
>
> Oh yes, in Germany: Cousin Fethry = Vetter Dussel
>
> Maybe I can offer to dialogue an Italian story with Fethry for
>Gladstone to use. I wouldn't use the beatnik speech however.
Well, the story "Paperoga e l'isola a elica" by Pezzin-Cavazzano is a very
good one, and the main characters are Donald and Fethry: you could give
that a try, for publication... (and I can send you the code, or a copy of
that issue...:-)
(And about the Italian section of your list of characters, David: there is
some minor mistake in the chronological order of the name: tell me if you
are interested (and if you'd like to know why Paperinik got that name...)!
I should add some more information to the archive about Mondadori and the
Italian codes, and I'll do that as soon as I have some time to devote to
that: gawsh, it is already a problem to read all the letters... :-)
Bye for now,
Fabio
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Universita` di Pisa
Tel. +39-50-510268 Corso Italia 40, 56100 PISA (ITALY)
FAX: +39-50-510226 E-mail:gadducci at di.unipi.it
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A lot of time ago, Harry wrote
>> Now about my favourite stories... Well, I do not think I can list only TEN
>> stories... Maybe my Barks' favourite one is the full version of "Back to
>> the Klondike" (if I HAD to decide), and that is probably my favourite duck
>> story, too, even if there are at least a couple of Italian (which are
>> linked to my childhood) by Romano Scarpa (Zio Paperone e le lenticchie di
>> Babilonia) and Pezzin-Cavazzano (Paperino e l'isola vulcano) which are
>> close enough...
>> (ok, go on: flame me :-)
>
>I remember a LOT of VERY BAD Italian stories, and a few good ones:
>Scrooge in search of a fish for a 'kaibi' bird, featuring something like
> 'the Flying Dutchman';
>Scrooge and Donald on a butterfly hunt, featuring Brigitta MacBridge
>
>I think those two were early Scarpa stories; they were printed in Holland
>in the early 70s.
>
>> And for Gottfredson... well, surely Island in the Sky from the Thirties,
>> but his best stuff is maybe from the Forties (even if I do not remember the
>> English titles...). More on this next time... :-)
>
>I disagree: the best stuff is from the 30s! In the 40s, you get the stories
>with Eega Beeva, which are quite OK (but not the best), and after that, well..
>
>> [Scrooge has a] Scottish accent? I was absolutely sure he talked in a plain
>> Italian... :-)
>
>But if I remember well, the Italian Disney characters do GRUNT, SNORT and
>make other noises in English! And Scrooge has dollars in his money bin.
>Does that mean that Duckburg is in the USA, even in the Italian translations?
>(In Holland, Duckburg is in some undefined country, but they pay in
>guilders.)
>
Mmmmm, I think I got an enemy, here...
First of all, remember the Sturgeon Law: more than 90% of the [science
fiction] published stuff is crap!! I think that it can applied to the comic
medium as a whole, and as a particular case to Disney books...
Then, about the stories. Both of them by Scarpa, as already Per pointed
out: the first one is "Zio Paperone e lo Scozzese Volante" and the second
one is "Paperino e la farfalla di Colombo". Both of them wonderful stories
(obviously :-), but not my favourite from Scarpa that is "Paperone e le
lenticchie di Babilonia" (it appeared in a thick digest: it involves
$crooge trying to became the king in the ... trading. Besides, Scarpa is
maybe better as a Mickey artist...
And about Mickey: Gottfredson himself told that his best drawn material was
from the Sixties... Let's just say that I prefer the third way, a god mix
of drawning and plotting: in this sense, his stuff from the Forties is
maybe his best...
Was I was VERY young, it was obvious to me that the only language of the
world was Italian, and I've got at that time my 'mental voices' of all the
ducks...
Actually, the characters grunt and snort, and they use dollars: it is
always clear that Duckburg (Paperopoli) is somewhere in the USA, most
likely California... and not so far from Mouseville (Topolinia), too!
Actually, in the last years there were many team-ups between Mickey and
$crooge in the Italian stories, even if, now that I think about it, they
disappeared after that the Italian Disney took over Mondadori...
Now David, about vegetarian ducks (and mice): in the last issue of Minnie &
Co., Minnie officially stated that she is a vegetarian... The story was
really bad, and besides the statement about the vegetarianism was
absolutely out of context, completely unrelated to the story itself...
And about underused characters: in the first years of the Seventies,
Mondadori (back then the publisher in Italy of Disney material) decided to
reprint almost all of the Thirties stuff by Gottfredson in a low price
series called "Nel Regno di Topolino". After that, during the Seventies
many authors used characters as Sylvester Shyster, Eli Squinch and *Butch*:
almost all of them got a little restyling, so it could be nice (and maybe
useful) if you give a look at them!!
And now, a very sad note: Topi wrote, about Disney worst stories...
> Anything by Cavazzano.
>
And then, Harry:
>Who is that? One of the Italian artists? How can I recognize him? Any USA
>reprints?
>
Again,, Per:
>I also wonder who this Cavazzano is. How come Luigi lists him as
>his favourite author next to Barks and Topi says that anything by
>Cavazzano is the worst?
Finally, 'OLE':
>Fredrik:
>>My favorite authors are: Barks (?!), Giorgio Cavazzano and Don Rosa.
>Topi:
>>Subject: Re: Worst Disney Stories
>>Anything by Cavazzano.
>Fabio:
>> Now about my favourite stories...[deleted]...and Pezzin-Cavazzano (Paperino
>> e l'isola vulcano) which are close enough...
>> (ok, go on: flame me :-)
>
>So, who *is* this Cavazzano? He's not listed in the CREATORS file...
>
>A Bop, Bop theory: Maybe that comma is a tired bug?
>
Gosh, I am so sad...
Cavazzano IS surely the best Italian Disney artists since the
mid-Seventies: his work was seminal for all the other Italian Disney
artists of the last ten years, and it is heavily copied, sometimes with
very good results (as for Massimo de Vita).
It is a pity that noone of his stories has been published in the USA, since
IMHO he is one of the best Disney artists ever.
A proposal for David: you wrote
> I think the major reason that Fethry died out here is that he
>was linked to a culture -- 1960s hippies -- which went out of style,
>and the type of story done for the foreign market -- in which he was
>an interesting character, not a stereotype -- was never seen here.
>
> Oh yes, in Germany: Cousin Fethry = Vetter Dussel
>
> Maybe I can offer to dialogue an Italian story with Fethry for
>Gladstone to use. I wouldn't use the beatnik speech however.
Well, the story "Paperoga e l'isola a elica" by Pezzin-Cavazzano is a very
good one, and the main characters are Donald and Fethry: you could give
that a try, for publication... (and I can send you the code, or a copy of
that issue...:-)
(And about the Italian section of your list of characters, David: there is
some minor mistake in the chronological order of the name: tell me if you
are interested (and if you'd like to know why Paperinik got that name...)!
I should add some more information to the archive about Mondadori and the
Italian codes, and I'll do that as soon as I have some time to devote to
that: gawsh, it is already a problem to read all the letters... :-)
Bye for now,
Fabio
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Universita` di Pisa
Tel. +39-50-510268 Corso Italia 40, 56100 PISA (ITALY)
FAX: +39-50-510226 E-mail:gadducci at di.unipi.it
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David A Gerstein
Disney-comics digest #120.
Message 68 -
1993-10-07 at 05:58:59
LONG Digest today! And almost no time to respond to it... oh,
fer gosh sakes! (Gotta get home and go to bed!)
Harry:
"BTW: how come you can translate Dutch? (BTOW: I think most of
the Milton/Jippes stories are originally written in English, because
neither of them speak the other's language.)
I can translate Dutch because it's *just barely* close enough
to German for me to figure it out, with a little trouble!!! Also, I
have to translate stories from Dutch that were originally written in
English because after Oberon (or whatever it's called) uses them a
single time and gives Egmont a crack at them, it *throws away the
English script*, something Egmont *never* does.
Fabio:
Why is Paperinik called that? It's a cinch he'll never get
that "Superduck" name over here while Archie Comics still holds a
character by that name under lock and key!
I'm interested by "Paperoga e l'isola a elica"... what does
that *mean*? How long is the story? My student dean here at Williams
has cut a deal to do rough translation of Italian for me to then
dialogue... that's the only way I'm going to get to do Italian stories
for Gladstone.
One story I would really like to dialogue is that "lentils of
Babylon" story, but I don't have access to it or its code number.
Anyone got a code number for "Colossus of the Nile"? John Clark had
to put an order in for it by *issue* number and it's taking forever!
Fabio, I'd *love* to see some of those 1970s stories using
"remodelled" Gottfredson characters which were done in Italy! BTW:
Eli Squinch was never gone for good, and is now being used by Egmont
regularly (although those stories haven't seen print yet). I will be
doing Egmont's first Sylvester Shyster story (as far as they remember)
not long from now. It involves a treasure and I think you'll enjoy it
when it's published... it's to be called "The Cavern in the
Shifting Sands". As for Butch... well, I just might use him with
Mickey sometime soon.
When I use those characters I'm going to specify that they
look as they did when Gottfredson used them last. I can't *imagine*
how Butch would be alongside the modern Mickey and I thought *I* was
the first to think of that! I imagine him kinda like Fethry is to
Donald...
Any of those stories use Ruffhouse Rat or Creamo Catnera?
Egmont realizes full well that a lot of their Mickey stories
up to this point have been dull (despite good art in some of the more
recent ones). They would also like to be doing as many MM stories as
Duck stories. But many writers feel that MM is only for mysteries
and thus use that as an excuse to act jaded with him. Most of the new
writers that have come to Egmont in the last ten years have only
expressed interest in doing Ducks. I may be the first to do lots of
both Ducks and Mickeys, and to me MM is anything but dull!
Egmont has a rule that MM and DD cannot appear together...
OFTEN. They just did one such story, though (not published yet),
showing that now and then they don't mind.
I don't mind making Mickey into a humorous character at all.
My next story involves MM and Horace prospecting for valuable ore on
Mt. Fishflake. No villain in this story -- chemistry between
Mickey and Horace causes the trouble! I'll be making the final script
for this soon.
And when I use Sylvester Shyster and Pete together (in my
second MM story) I'll be sure to have them sing their favorite
"victory" song after thinking they've defeated MM:
"Oh, it's *always* good *weather* when *good* fellows get
together!"
I also plan to use Mickey's rival Mortimer Mouse in stories
now and then. Mortimer, who always thinks he can think of a smart way
to get anything done, can be the same type of thorn in the hero's side
that Gladstone is for Donald. I imagine the following... Mouseton
city street, lunchtime:
Mortimer: Yep! All I've gotta do if I want something is to
turn on my *brain* and *hotcha!* I've *got* it!
Mickey: Phooey! I wish you'd turn it *off* once in a while,
Mortimer!
Mortimer: See that pie in Mr. Frizzlewhiskers' window? Why,
if I wanted that pie I could get it, right now!
Mickey: Oh, y' *could* could you? I'd like to see you try!
[Mortimer runs around the side of the building and yowls like
a cat, driving the grocer crazy until he runs out behind the shop.
Meanwhile, Mickey squirts mustard into the holes in the piecrust from
a bottle. Before Mr. Frizzlewhiskers comes back, Mortimer dashes in
through the door, swipes the pie, grabs Mickey by the arm and dashes
out]
Mortimer: See? I *got* it! All it took was using my
*brains!* (CHOMP CHOMP CHOMP) Brains?????!! >PFOOOO!<
Mickey [paying Mr. Frizzlewhiskers for the pie, as Mortimer
tries to look innocent]: This is fer that pie of yours... we took it
and *I* enjoyed *every last bite!*
* * * * *
Good night, folks.
David Gerstein
fer gosh sakes! (Gotta get home and go to bed!)
Harry:
"BTW: how come you can translate Dutch? (BTOW: I think most of
the Milton/Jippes stories are originally written in English, because
neither of them speak the other's language.)
I can translate Dutch because it's *just barely* close enough
to German for me to figure it out, with a little trouble!!! Also, I
have to translate stories from Dutch that were originally written in
English because after Oberon (or whatever it's called) uses them a
single time and gives Egmont a crack at them, it *throws away the
English script*, something Egmont *never* does.
Fabio:
Why is Paperinik called that? It's a cinch he'll never get
that "Superduck" name over here while Archie Comics still holds a
character by that name under lock and key!
I'm interested by "Paperoga e l'isola a elica"... what does
that *mean*? How long is the story? My student dean here at Williams
has cut a deal to do rough translation of Italian for me to then
dialogue... that's the only way I'm going to get to do Italian stories
for Gladstone.
One story I would really like to dialogue is that "lentils of
Babylon" story, but I don't have access to it or its code number.
Anyone got a code number for "Colossus of the Nile"? John Clark had
to put an order in for it by *issue* number and it's taking forever!
Fabio, I'd *love* to see some of those 1970s stories using
"remodelled" Gottfredson characters which were done in Italy! BTW:
Eli Squinch was never gone for good, and is now being used by Egmont
regularly (although those stories haven't seen print yet). I will be
doing Egmont's first Sylvester Shyster story (as far as they remember)
not long from now. It involves a treasure and I think you'll enjoy it
when it's published... it's to be called "The Cavern in the
Shifting Sands". As for Butch... well, I just might use him with
Mickey sometime soon.
When I use those characters I'm going to specify that they
look as they did when Gottfredson used them last. I can't *imagine*
how Butch would be alongside the modern Mickey and I thought *I* was
the first to think of that! I imagine him kinda like Fethry is to
Donald...
Any of those stories use Ruffhouse Rat or Creamo Catnera?
Egmont realizes full well that a lot of their Mickey stories
up to this point have been dull (despite good art in some of the more
recent ones). They would also like to be doing as many MM stories as
Duck stories. But many writers feel that MM is only for mysteries
and thus use that as an excuse to act jaded with him. Most of the new
writers that have come to Egmont in the last ten years have only
expressed interest in doing Ducks. I may be the first to do lots of
both Ducks and Mickeys, and to me MM is anything but dull!
Egmont has a rule that MM and DD cannot appear together...
OFTEN. They just did one such story, though (not published yet),
showing that now and then they don't mind.
I don't mind making Mickey into a humorous character at all.
My next story involves MM and Horace prospecting for valuable ore on
Mt. Fishflake. No villain in this story -- chemistry between
Mickey and Horace causes the trouble! I'll be making the final script
for this soon.
And when I use Sylvester Shyster and Pete together (in my
second MM story) I'll be sure to have them sing their favorite
"victory" song after thinking they've defeated MM:
"Oh, it's *always* good *weather* when *good* fellows get
together!"
I also plan to use Mickey's rival Mortimer Mouse in stories
now and then. Mortimer, who always thinks he can think of a smart way
to get anything done, can be the same type of thorn in the hero's side
that Gladstone is for Donald. I imagine the following... Mouseton
city street, lunchtime:
Mortimer: Yep! All I've gotta do if I want something is to
turn on my *brain* and *hotcha!* I've *got* it!
Mickey: Phooey! I wish you'd turn it *off* once in a while,
Mortimer!
Mortimer: See that pie in Mr. Frizzlewhiskers' window? Why,
if I wanted that pie I could get it, right now!
Mickey: Oh, y' *could* could you? I'd like to see you try!
[Mortimer runs around the side of the building and yowls like
a cat, driving the grocer crazy until he runs out behind the shop.
Meanwhile, Mickey squirts mustard into the holes in the piecrust from
a bottle. Before Mr. Frizzlewhiskers comes back, Mortimer dashes in
through the door, swipes the pie, grabs Mickey by the arm and dashes
out]
Mortimer: See? I *got* it! All it took was using my
*brains!* (CHOMP CHOMP CHOMP) Brains?????!! >PFOOOO!<
Mickey [paying Mr. Frizzlewhiskers for the pie, as Mortimer
tries to look innocent]: This is fer that pie of yours... we took it
and *I* enjoyed *every last bite!*
* * * * *
Good night, folks.
David Gerstein
Harry Fluks
Reply to message from OLE (about 1 year ago)
Message 69 -
1993-10-07 at 13:03:36
Ole, or Roc, or Orn, or whoever, wrote:
> Yes, "my" index is actually Martin Olsen's, at least until 1982. (...)
> The problem with spreading this is a trifle matter of typing it all in. I
> don't dare to hope that a scanner could handle my claw. But OK, half a day's
> work here and half a night's there... Where should it go? I know Harry would
> like it.
I would LOVE it, but I didn't know you had to type it all in! Know what you
are doing: it took me 4 hours to index one year of Dutch DD!
> ...the Dutch Donald Duck...
> All we get are Mau Heymans'
> shorts, and I find them very amusing. There was a self-portrait (on a wanted
> poster, where else?) in H 90022, the firebrigadehose<...>factory.
No, that's not a self-portrait, it's a portrait of Ed van Schuijlenburg, the
Dutch 'Art director'. He is the 'boss' of all the Dutch artists, so to say.
> What's r.a.d.? Research and Development? Radical Anarchist Devices??
rec.arts.disney, one of the news groups on Usenet. Mostly discussing movies
and theme parks; all the comics fans are on disney-comics...
(And now you're going to ask: what is Usenet?)
> I have noticed a pattern in the autobiographies submitted by list members.
> Now that we know how many employees of General Electric are on this list, it
> would be interesting to know the Aquarius frequency. Would too!
I'm a Gemini. But I don't practice it.
--Harry.
> Yes, "my" index is actually Martin Olsen's, at least until 1982. (...)
> The problem with spreading this is a trifle matter of typing it all in. I
> don't dare to hope that a scanner could handle my claw. But OK, half a day's
> work here and half a night's there... Where should it go? I know Harry would
> like it.
I would LOVE it, but I didn't know you had to type it all in! Know what you
are doing: it took me 4 hours to index one year of Dutch DD!
> ...the Dutch Donald Duck...
> All we get are Mau Heymans'
> shorts, and I find them very amusing. There was a self-portrait (on a wanted
> poster, where else?) in H 90022, the firebrigadehose<...>factory.
No, that's not a self-portrait, it's a portrait of Ed van Schuijlenburg, the
Dutch 'Art director'. He is the 'boss' of all the Dutch artists, so to say.
> What's r.a.d.? Research and Development? Radical Anarchist Devices??
rec.arts.disney, one of the news groups on Usenet. Mostly discussing movies
and theme parks; all the comics fans are on disney-comics...
(And now you're going to ask: what is Usenet?)
> I have noticed a pattern in the autobiographies submitted by list members.
> Now that we know how many employees of General Electric are on this list, it
> would be interesting to know the Aquarius frequency. Would too!
I'm a Gemini. But I don't practice it.
--Harry.
Don Rosa
+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #120.
Message 70 -
1993-10-07 at 15:35:17
COMMENT TO #120:
Not much to say except to Mattias. I'm curious what you didn't
like about my Duck Family Tree. But whatever it is, I'm blameless! That
was strictly Barks or others, and all I did was create some faces to
link grandparents to grandchildren or uncles to nephews or such. I did
make Grandma Duck a Coot, but I think that was rather good, especially
as it gave her a spot in the "Life" series. I wanted to make Ludwig Von
Drake the husband of $crooge's sister Matilda, but I was vetoed by
everyone... likewise, I don't regard Fethry as a "real" character, but
they told me to stick him in there since he's sooooo popular in Europe.
I won't get into this discussion of whether Mickey lives in
Duckburg or nearby or on the east coast. You know that I feel that the
Ducks exist in a completely different UNIVERSE from Mickey, not simply a
different town. A team-up is impossible. But, as I said before, I'm not
insulted if people want to see my version of the Ducks as existing in a
different universe than everybody else's, so if somebody wanted to do a
Donald-Mickey team-up, it wouldn't matter to me. But they could never
get ME to be involved in something like that; I don't even see the
"DuckTales" universe as existing anywhere -- to me, "DuckTales" is an
unauthorized fictionalization of $crooge's life that kids in Duckburg
watch on TV and which $crooge finally sued off the air.
Not much to say except to Mattias. I'm curious what you didn't
like about my Duck Family Tree. But whatever it is, I'm blameless! That
was strictly Barks or others, and all I did was create some faces to
link grandparents to grandchildren or uncles to nephews or such. I did
make Grandma Duck a Coot, but I think that was rather good, especially
as it gave her a spot in the "Life" series. I wanted to make Ludwig Von
Drake the husband of $crooge's sister Matilda, but I was vetoed by
everyone... likewise, I don't regard Fethry as a "real" character, but
they told me to stick him in there since he's sooooo popular in Europe.
I won't get into this discussion of whether Mickey lives in
Duckburg or nearby or on the east coast. You know that I feel that the
Ducks exist in a completely different UNIVERSE from Mickey, not simply a
different town. A team-up is impossible. But, as I said before, I'm not
insulted if people want to see my version of the Ducks as existing in a
different universe than everybody else's, so if somebody wanted to do a
Donald-Mickey team-up, it wouldn't matter to me. But they could never
get ME to be involved in something like that; I don't even see the
"DuckTales" universe as existing anywhere -- to me, "DuckTales" is an
unauthorized fictionalization of $crooge's life that kids in Duckburg
watch on TV and which $crooge finally sued off the air.
Mattias Hallin
Forthcoming views on Don's Duck Family Tree
Message 71 -
1993-10-07 at 16:45:46
Don!
Rest assured - my critique will be very limited and about minor details of
relationships; however, I cannot presently take that much time off from the job
to discuss the matter in full (and also I'd like to check a few details once
more) - so I'll try to get back to in my own time during the week-end.
Till then: all my best!
Mattias
Rest assured - my critique will be very limited and about minor details of
relationships; however, I cannot presently take that much time off from the job
to discuss the matter in full (and also I'd like to check a few details once
more) - so I'll try to get back to in my own time during the week-end.
Till then: all my best!
Mattias
Per Starback
Gawsh... (Fabio)
Message 72 -
1993-10-07 at 16:48:00
Fabio:
> Then, about the stories. Both of them by Scarpa, as already Per pointed
> out:
No, that wasn't me. That was Harry.
> And about Mickey: Gottfredson himself told that his best drawn material was
> from the Sixties...
That doesn't count. Barks also think that his later stuff is better
drawn than the earlier (even though he admits that the stories were
better back in about 1949), but he is also wrong! :-)
Of course artists tend to think they're getting better and better; if
they didn't like the way their art is developing, they'd try to avoid
it, right?
I'll take a look at this Cavazzano then, to see what I like him. I
still have a stack of Topolino's I bought in Rome, but I haven't
got very far with them yet.
> I should add some more information to the archive about Mondadori and the
> Italian codes, and I'll do that as soon as I have some time to devote to
> that: gawsh, it is already a problem to read all the letters... :-)
Sure is...
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
> Then, about the stories. Both of them by Scarpa, as already Per pointed
> out:
No, that wasn't me. That was Harry.
> And about Mickey: Gottfredson himself told that his best drawn material was
> from the Sixties...
That doesn't count. Barks also think that his later stuff is better
drawn than the earlier (even though he admits that the stories were
better back in about 1949), but he is also wrong! :-)
Of course artists tend to think they're getting better and better; if
they didn't like the way their art is developing, they'd try to avoid
it, right?
I'll take a look at this Cavazzano then, to see what I like him. I
still have a stack of Topolino's I bought in Rome, but I haven't
got very far with them yet.
> I should add some more information to the archive about Mondadori and the
> Italian codes, and I'll do that as soon as I have some time to devote to
> that: gawsh, it is already a problem to read all the letters... :-)
Sure is...
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Luigi Bevilacqua
This and that
Message 73 -
1993-10-07 at 17:01:56
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Hi everybody,
Many many things to talk about and so few minutes!
And in the latest weeks too many letters!
So, let's begin!
- to Fredrik Ekman
Sorry, I don't find that Topolino#1600.
It's a very strange thing, here in Italy there are tons of
"second hand" Topolinos... but I don't quit...
Harry Fluks wrote:
> I remember a LOT of VERY BAD Italian stories, and a few good ones(...)
I agree. I think there are many bad Italian stories, especially in '60.
Seventies and eighties Italian stories are better.
> And [in Italian comics] Scrooge has dollars in his money bin.
> Does that mean that Duckburg is in the USA, even in the Italian translations?
> (In Holland, Duckburg is in some undefined country, but they pay in
> guilders.)
In Italy our money is "Lira", its symbol is 'L.' (I don't find the key on
this keyboard!) like the English pound symbol.
In every story the money bin has '$' and every duck speaks about dollars.
There are some stories, where a map is drawn, and Duckburg is in USA;
in the recent stories on the West coast (Los Angeles?), on the East Cost
in older ones...
Topi Ylinen about Worst Disney Stories:
> Anything by Cavazzano.
In Italy we say:"Tastes are tastes". For example: I don't like Scarpa.
In my opinion Giorgio Cavazzano is an Artist (with capital A).
Do you know: most of latest stories in Italy are drawn
in a Cavazzano's style (like what is happening in USA about superheroes
with McFarlane/Jim Lee style).
Ole Reichstein Nielsen replies:
> Fredrik:
> >My favorite authors are: Barks (?!), Giorgio Cavazzano and Don Rosa.
> Topi:
> >Subject: Re: Worst Disney Stories
> >Anything by Cavazzano.
> Fabio:
> > Now about my favourite stories...[deleted]...and Pezzin-Cavazzano (Paperino
> > e l'isola vulcano) which are close enough...
> > (ok, go on: flame me :-)
>
> So, who *is* this Cavazzano? He's not listed in the CREATORS file...
No. Barks, Cavazzano and Rosa are MY favorite "Duckers", not Fredrik's ones.
I think that the two best (and famous) Italian Disney artists are:
Romano Scarpa and Giorgio Cavazzano.
As once Per Starback said to me CREATORS file is not a complete guide of
anyone ever worked in Disney "art" field.
I'm sure something by Cavazzano is been printed in Denmark, if you want I can
find some codes of his stories.
Anybody in Denmark knows more? I don't read your national versions!
Maybe Fabio can be more updated than me.
- to Fabio Gadducci:
Fabio! Do you want to help me to keep Cavazzano's material up?
Also:
Are there more info about Cavazzano in "Italian Disney" by
Granata Press? Have you got that book?
Or maybe we'll find something in "Cavazzano" volume by Comic Art
in few days?
Do you know if something by Rosa is been printed in Italy?
- to Don Rosa
What/who do you like in Italian stories/creators?
__ BYE!!!
. Gigi
. (my official nickname)
.
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Hi everybody,
Many many things to talk about and so few minutes!
And in the latest weeks too many letters!
So, let's begin!
- to Fredrik Ekman
Sorry, I don't find that Topolino#1600.
It's a very strange thing, here in Italy there are tons of
"second hand" Topolinos... but I don't quit...
Harry Fluks wrote:
> I remember a LOT of VERY BAD Italian stories, and a few good ones(...)
I agree. I think there are many bad Italian stories, especially in '60.
Seventies and eighties Italian stories are better.
> And [in Italian comics] Scrooge has dollars in his money bin.
> Does that mean that Duckburg is in the USA, even in the Italian translations?
> (In Holland, Duckburg is in some undefined country, but they pay in
> guilders.)
In Italy our money is "Lira", its symbol is 'L.' (I don't find the key on
this keyboard!) like the English pound symbol.
In every story the money bin has '$' and every duck speaks about dollars.
There are some stories, where a map is drawn, and Duckburg is in USA;
in the recent stories on the West coast (Los Angeles?), on the East Cost
in older ones...
Topi Ylinen about Worst Disney Stories:
> Anything by Cavazzano.
In Italy we say:"Tastes are tastes". For example: I don't like Scarpa.
In my opinion Giorgio Cavazzano is an Artist (with capital A).
Do you know: most of latest stories in Italy are drawn
in a Cavazzano's style (like what is happening in USA about superheroes
with McFarlane/Jim Lee style).
Ole Reichstein Nielsen replies:
> Fredrik:
> >My favorite authors are: Barks (?!), Giorgio Cavazzano and Don Rosa.
> Topi:
> >Subject: Re: Worst Disney Stories
> >Anything by Cavazzano.
> Fabio:
> > Now about my favourite stories...[deleted]...and Pezzin-Cavazzano (Paperino
> > e l'isola vulcano) which are close enough...
> > (ok, go on: flame me :-)
>
> So, who *is* this Cavazzano? He's not listed in the CREATORS file...
No. Barks, Cavazzano and Rosa are MY favorite "Duckers", not Fredrik's ones.
I think that the two best (and famous) Italian Disney artists are:
Romano Scarpa and Giorgio Cavazzano.
As once Per Starback said to me CREATORS file is not a complete guide of
anyone ever worked in Disney "art" field.
I'm sure something by Cavazzano is been printed in Denmark, if you want I can
find some codes of his stories.
Anybody in Denmark knows more? I don't read your national versions!
Maybe Fabio can be more updated than me.
- to Fabio Gadducci:
Fabio! Do you want to help me to keep Cavazzano's material up?
Also:
Are there more info about Cavazzano in "Italian Disney" by
Granata Press? Have you got that book?
Or maybe we'll find something in "Cavazzano" volume by Comic Art
in few days?
Do you know if something by Rosa is been printed in Italy?
- to Don Rosa
What/who do you like in Italian stories/creators?
__ BYE!!!
. Gigi
. (my official nickname)
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OH, BOYS! NOW I KNOW WHAT I LIVE FOR! GUESS WHAT?
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. Luigi < (Email removed) >
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Harry Fluks
Rosa
Message 74 -
1993-10-07 at 19:49:12
> COMMENTS TO #119:
>
> First off, I had another large message "returned" to me as
> "undeliverable". These always seem to actually have been delivered and
> posted, but I didn't notice for sure if this'n made it. Before I erase
> it, did my message come through where, among MANY other things, I was
> saying Hi to Mattias?
Yes. Maybe someone else already told you: if you get a message "returned",
it mostly means that it could not be delivered to ONE of the members of
the list. So (almost) nothing to worry about.
> HARRY FLUKS: the comics arrived! Yes, thank you veddy much!!!
> (...) Watch out for future issues for me, right?
I will! (And I'm still looking for Dutch "Wendigo" comics for those poor
Americans that asked for them...)
> Gosh, it looks like the DONALD DUCK EXTRA has virtually turned
> into a Don Rosa publication! Nearly every issue of the past year and a
> half has used one of my stories with a new cover for it.
The DD Extra always has a new cover based on the lead story of the comic.
They even did that with the worst Danish and Italian stories they have been
reprinting...
> Anyway, Harry -- I can see now whether there are any issues that
> I still need. Can you sometime check your stacks and see if I have work
> in the issues that I don't have copies of???
No need to check my stacks: we have an index for this 8-)
> The issues I don't have are
> the weekly -- 1991: #3-5,7,8,10,12,13. 1992: #1,2,5-8,11,12. And
> 1993: #8-10. Any Rosa junk in those issues? (I guess not, or you would
> have sent them, eh?)
Right. You mentioned all the (_monthly_) issues that DON'T have a Rosa
story.
> So... how much do I owe you for all this????
You once offered your Captain Kentucky comics (you still have a garage full
of them?): I would like to have TWO copies of every comic (one for my poor
Dutch friend who hasn't got e-mail and has to read all our discussions
on the printouts I send him)
And if it's OK with you, I would like to have xerox copies of:
- the English script of "War of the Wendigo"
- the cover with signatures that was NOT published on the WDC in Color #8 album.
(As I said to someone else today: I prefer comics to money!)
--Harry.
>
> First off, I had another large message "returned" to me as
> "undeliverable". These always seem to actually have been delivered and
> posted, but I didn't notice for sure if this'n made it. Before I erase
> it, did my message come through where, among MANY other things, I was
> saying Hi to Mattias?
Yes. Maybe someone else already told you: if you get a message "returned",
it mostly means that it could not be delivered to ONE of the members of
the list. So (almost) nothing to worry about.
> HARRY FLUKS: the comics arrived! Yes, thank you veddy much!!!
> (...) Watch out for future issues for me, right?
I will! (And I'm still looking for Dutch "Wendigo" comics for those poor
Americans that asked for them...)
> Gosh, it looks like the DONALD DUCK EXTRA has virtually turned
> into a Don Rosa publication! Nearly every issue of the past year and a
> half has used one of my stories with a new cover for it.
The DD Extra always has a new cover based on the lead story of the comic.
They even did that with the worst Danish and Italian stories they have been
reprinting...
> Anyway, Harry -- I can see now whether there are any issues that
> I still need. Can you sometime check your stacks and see if I have work
> in the issues that I don't have copies of???
No need to check my stacks: we have an index for this 8-)
> The issues I don't have are
> the weekly -- 1991: #3-5,7,8,10,12,13. 1992: #1,2,5-8,11,12. And
> 1993: #8-10. Any Rosa junk in those issues? (I guess not, or you would
> have sent them, eh?)
Right. You mentioned all the (_monthly_) issues that DON'T have a Rosa
story.
> So... how much do I owe you for all this????
You once offered your Captain Kentucky comics (you still have a garage full
of them?): I would like to have TWO copies of every comic (one for my poor
Dutch friend who hasn't got e-mail and has to read all our discussions
on the printouts I send him)
And if it's OK with you, I would like to have xerox copies of:
- the English script of "War of the Wendigo"
- the cover with signatures that was NOT published on the WDC in Color #8 album.
(As I said to someone else today: I prefer comics to money!)
--Harry.
Harry Fluks
Fabio's taste, Italian story codes, Dallas
Message 75 -
1993-10-07 at 20:02:06
Fabio:
> Mmmmm, I think I got an enemy, here...
>
> And about Mickey: Gottfredson himself told that his best drawn material was
> from the Sixties... Let's just say that I prefer the third way, a god mix
> of drawning and plotting: in this sense, his stuff from the Forties is
> maybe his best...
Can you mention a particular story? I wonder which story you possibly can
prefer to "Medioka", "Foreign Legion" or "Phantom Blot"...
> I should add some more information to the archive about Mondadori and the
> Italian codes, and I'll do that as soon as I have some time to devote to
> that: gawsh, it is already a problem to read all the letters... :-)
Right! If you are talking about an update to the file 'story-codes': please
contact me first, because I have some information from David that I plan to
put in that file, too (when I have the time...)
Maybe a small contribution to lowering the amount of messages on this list:
I will be away for a conference in Dallas (and a small vacation), from
next wednesday till the end of the month.
(Any lurkers live near Dallas?)
--Harry.
> Mmmmm, I think I got an enemy, here...
>
> And about Mickey: Gottfredson himself told that his best drawn material was
> from the Sixties... Let's just say that I prefer the third way, a god mix
> of drawning and plotting: in this sense, his stuff from the Forties is
> maybe his best...
Can you mention a particular story? I wonder which story you possibly can
prefer to "Medioka", "Foreign Legion" or "Phantom Blot"...
> I should add some more information to the archive about Mondadori and the
> Italian codes, and I'll do that as soon as I have some time to devote to
> that: gawsh, it is already a problem to read all the letters... :-)
Right! If you are talking about an update to the file 'story-codes': please
contact me first, because I have some information from David that I plan to
put in that file, too (when I have the time...)
Maybe a small contribution to lowering the amount of messages on this list:
I will be away for a conference in Dallas (and a small vacation), from
next wednesday till the end of the month.
(Any lurkers live near Dallas?)
--Harry.