Dear Folks,
This may sound a little bit outta th' ordinary, but I'm
writing in through my pal David Gerstein's E-Mail hookup mainly t'
reply to my #1 fan Chris Lawton. (I'll also have David, who -- mebby
it's a little funny -- *also* says he's my #1 fan, send this thing to
th' digest... I wonder what folks are gonna think!)
Hot Diggety Dog! But ya sure had a lotta swell things to say
about me on my anniversary. A minor correction when it comes to
"Steamboat Willie" -- I didn't rescue Minnie from Pete, just enjoyed
her company. Fer once in his life the big bellowing hippopotamus
didn't try t' bother her -- but as always, he thought o' *me*
diff'rently!
When ya started gettin' into all th' things I represent and
stand for, I was startin' to wonder if I shouldn't bring your letter by
Doctor Einmug an' see if he could sort it out. I'm glad that ya
admire me, but darned if I can figger out just *why!* If ya look up
t' me, though, I've got just one bit of advice. It's like I once said
to Minnie: "Sometimes when ya've got a big thing to do, ya hafta
swallow hard and say t' yourself that the *mail must go through!* And
before ya know it -- the job's *done!* And ya feel just *swell!*"
Just since ya think I represent all those things, though, ya
gotta admit I don't always live up to 'em before you think I'm perfect
or something! Once I thought that Minnie was gonna leave me
for Mr. Slicker... I was wrong, but I got myself so worked up I almost
*ended* it once and fer all! Then there was th' time that I left Pete
out in th' desert when he'd got himself a Foreign Legion job and made
me hike out there! Fer gosh sakes, before long I knew I'd made a
mistake! Even if ya can't respect y'r enemies (who *can* if they're
like Pete?), you can stop yerself before ya do something *drastic* to
'em! And I ought t' know that as sure as anyone.
If ya want t' celebrate my birthday, then do one of these
things. First, write a letter t' my pals at Gladstone sayin' how ya'd
like t' see me get a comic of my own again! Then (if ya c'n *afford*
it) go get yourself that set of laser discs with my old
black-and-white cartoons on 'em. And then just sit back and read some
of my adventures over a snack of some good cheese! Minnie's favorite
is Swiss, and mine is Cammemm^[[D Camemm^[[D Camembur^[[D (Oops!)
Well, I like Swiss, too.
Your pal,
Mickey Mouse!
"You know, Mickey, I think Don Rosa is going to think that
this letter is really the kind of thing that ought to go on
rec.arts.disney! It lacks that critical sophistication..."
Author
Topic: 199311
(180 messages)
David A Gerstein
A word from Mickey on his birthday
Message 106 -
1993-11-19 at 03:34:48
Don Rosa
+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #161.
Message 107 -
1993-11-19 at 05:45:29
COMMENTS TO #161:
Fredrik:
I like to hear about man-in-the-street tests like you tried with
Lo$ part 9! Thank you. That was interesting.
I wouldn't be surprized that a non-Duck-fan or
non-$crooge-expert might come away from the Lo$ thinking it was only
mildly amuzing. It's all designed to only make complete sense or full
humor (such as it is) to those already thoroughly familiar with the
characters and their history -- which is the series biggest flaw. But I
always knew this weakness... a large part of the enjoyment of the
stories I expect (and design) to come from Duck fans who I expect to get
a kick out of how I've fit all the Barks-facts into one loooong story.
There are so many elements of the stories, so many sequences or
extraneous facts that are stuck in here and there JUST to get them
mentioned, and a casual reader would either get nothing from their
inclusion or would actually be puzzled by the seeming pointlessness of
lots of it. But this can't be an excuse -- if the stories fail to
completely entertain ALL readers, that can never be good.
Anyway, the date on $crooge's Ma's tombstone was greatly reduced
and slightly blurred by the fact that these comics, I THINK, are
reproduced from computer generated images of my art... but the dates are
1840-1897. I had to check my large copies myself when I saw the
tombstone in print, because the 1897 looked like a "1697" to ME, too.
But that made me think about the date and it seemed wrong still, so I
checked my original notes and I see that I made a mistake... or a
diversion from my original plans. I don't know what happened at the
time, but I thought I'd intended to put "1830" instead of "1840"... I
pictured Ma as being a bit older than 57 when she dies. It's a tiny
error, but I try to be sooooo thorough that even itty-bitty goofs
irritate me. Then there are the kind of goofs like in part 3 where I had
Prof. Rhutt Betler alive nearly 20 years after he died. That was a
BIGGER goof. Anyway, these kinda goofs will be corrected in Gladstone's
versions.
Fredrik:
I like to hear about man-in-the-street tests like you tried with
Lo$ part 9! Thank you. That was interesting.
I wouldn't be surprized that a non-Duck-fan or
non-$crooge-expert might come away from the Lo$ thinking it was only
mildly amuzing. It's all designed to only make complete sense or full
humor (such as it is) to those already thoroughly familiar with the
characters and their history -- which is the series biggest flaw. But I
always knew this weakness... a large part of the enjoyment of the
stories I expect (and design) to come from Duck fans who I expect to get
a kick out of how I've fit all the Barks-facts into one loooong story.
There are so many elements of the stories, so many sequences or
extraneous facts that are stuck in here and there JUST to get them
mentioned, and a casual reader would either get nothing from their
inclusion or would actually be puzzled by the seeming pointlessness of
lots of it. But this can't be an excuse -- if the stories fail to
completely entertain ALL readers, that can never be good.
Anyway, the date on $crooge's Ma's tombstone was greatly reduced
and slightly blurred by the fact that these comics, I THINK, are
reproduced from computer generated images of my art... but the dates are
1840-1897. I had to check my large copies myself when I saw the
tombstone in print, because the 1897 looked like a "1697" to ME, too.
But that made me think about the date and it seemed wrong still, so I
checked my original notes and I see that I made a mistake... or a
diversion from my original plans. I don't know what happened at the
time, but I thought I'd intended to put "1830" instead of "1840"... I
pictured Ma as being a bit older than 57 when she dies. It's a tiny
error, but I try to be sooooo thorough that even itty-bitty goofs
irritate me. Then there are the kind of goofs like in part 3 where I had
Prof. Rhutt Betler alive nearly 20 years after he died. That was a
BIGGER goof. Anyway, these kinda goofs will be corrected in Gladstone's
versions.
Don Rosa
+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #161.
Message 108 -
1993-11-19 at 05:49:28
Oh, and as to the number of bullets in $crooge's six-shooters:
$crooge doesn't make careless mistakes. He never carried an empty
chamber in his pistols. In fact, those were the same 12 bullets that
he'd had in his pistols since the time he refused to shoot a charging
grizzly 4 years earlier because bullets were so expensive.
$crooge doesn't make careless mistakes. He never carried an empty
chamber in his pistols. In fact, those were the same 12 bullets that
he'd had in his pistols since the time he refused to shoot a charging
grizzly 4 years earlier because bullets were so expensive.
Harry Fluks
About languages (Aloha!)
Message 109 -
1993-11-19 at 11:35:01
I wrote to Mattias, something like:
> Maybe you can explain why you spell your English like (you do). Is this
> really how they speak English in Sweden? 8-)
Mattias:
> No - of course not; I'm interested in languages and dialects, and I'm basically
> just fooling around, trying to capture in letters various English or American
> idioms, as I hear them in films or on records, or read them in books OR in
> comics! For instance Don Rosa's work is FULL of these idiomatic spellings -
Of course I know it's not Swedish English. It amazed me that a Swede spells
English like this. I have read Rosa's work a lot and had some difficulties
there, too. In fact, I was reading (or trying to read) a Captain Kentucky
episode with lots of 'local' spelling: I gave up and skipped the episode...
And then I started reading one of your messages...
(BTW: Don: I LOVE those CK comics! I may miss a lot of 'Loouhvul' humour but
it's still very enjoyable.)
> I'm sorry if it bothers you,
Only very slightly. I haven't skipped one of _your_ episodes yet.. 8-)
> and I'll try to restrain myself
> at least marginally, but I can't promise to be a good boy ALL of the time,
> really - sorry!
No need to. I'll get used to it. The _contents_ of your messages always make
up for it.
And now lemme see if I can read David's (sorry, Mickey's) message...
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (NL) (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
(Just a small Mickey. That other one is much TOO BIG!)
> Maybe you can explain why you spell your English like (you do). Is this
> really how they speak English in Sweden? 8-)
Mattias:
> No - of course not; I'm interested in languages and dialects, and I'm basically
> just fooling around, trying to capture in letters various English or American
> idioms, as I hear them in films or on records, or read them in books OR in
> comics! For instance Don Rosa's work is FULL of these idiomatic spellings -
Of course I know it's not Swedish English. It amazed me that a Swede spells
English like this. I have read Rosa's work a lot and had some difficulties
there, too. In fact, I was reading (or trying to read) a Captain Kentucky
episode with lots of 'local' spelling: I gave up and skipped the episode...
And then I started reading one of your messages...
(BTW: Don: I LOVE those CK comics! I may miss a lot of 'Loouhvul' humour but
it's still very enjoyable.)
> I'm sorry if it bothers you,
Only very slightly. I haven't skipped one of _your_ episodes yet.. 8-)
> and I'll try to restrain myself
> at least marginally, but I can't promise to be a good boy ALL of the time,
> really - sorry!
No need to. I'll get used to it. The _contents_ of your messages always make
up for it.
And now lemme see if I can read David's (sorry, Mickey's) message...
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (NL) (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
(Just a small Mickey. That other one is much TOO BIG!)
Kjetil Torgrim Homme
Test
Message 110 -
1993-11-19 at 16:05:09
Eg er ganske sikker p? at det ikkje verkar... Om eg tek feil, skrik ut!
Send mail til lista i staden, det fungerer.
Kjetil T.
Send mail til lista i staden, det fungerer.
Kjetil T.
Torsten Wesley Adair
Life of Scrooge #3
Message 111 -
1993-11-19 at 17:00:20
Fantastisch! Unglaublich! Ausgezeichnet!
In der naehe von (whoops, sorry.)
There is a bookstore near the library where I work that sells German
periodicals. I discovered this fact last September, and I inquired if it
was possible for them to order Mickey Maus Magazine. They could, but it
would be a few weeks, and I left my phone number so that they could tell
me when they would come in. Well, I had heard nothing, so last Monday,
during my lunch break, I decided to go and see if they had received any.
Man-oh-man! They had two months worth of weeklies there! I thumbed
through the various copies, and discovered, simply by your fantastic style
(I wonder if the coloring and paper had anything to do with it?), chapter
three of Lo$. So, overjoyed, I bought this and the anniversary issue of
Mickey Mouse for $2.50 each. I was greatly surprised at the gimmicks
inside. The Uncle Scrooge issue had a fossil kit (plastic mold and
cement) in the middle, and the anniversary issue had a Mickey Mouse pin.
So, during my afternoon coffee break, I sat down and started translating
what I could as I read. Don, this is the first time I have laughed out
loud at a Disney comic book. Not that the other stories weren't funny,
but I think the process of translating and then realizing the joke made it
even more humorous. Especially the line about politics.
One question. Towards the end of the story, is that location Toadstool
National Park? Or is it someplace generic? The ranching scenery of
endless grass and snow looks a lot like western Nebraska, and the
Sandhills actually extend into Nebraska. I hope Scrooge actually set foot
in Nebraska, but if not, well, no problem. Mark Twain didn't think too
highly of Omaha when he visited, so I wouldn't be surprised if U$ bypassed
Nebraska. Of course, if he wants to raise cattle, there is no place
better than Nebraska. (This paragraph paid for by the Nebraska Tourism
Board.)
BTW, I have discovered an interesting fact. The Smithsonian has in its
possession the nugget which started the California Gold Rush. Any chance
of Scrooge and company hunting for this?
I look forward to the other eleven chapters!
Heck! I look forward to anything from you! Got any blueprints you want to
sell? (and what do you think of the architecture at Disney's corporate
headquarters?
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
In der naehe von (whoops, sorry.)
There is a bookstore near the library where I work that sells German
periodicals. I discovered this fact last September, and I inquired if it
was possible for them to order Mickey Maus Magazine. They could, but it
would be a few weeks, and I left my phone number so that they could tell
me when they would come in. Well, I had heard nothing, so last Monday,
during my lunch break, I decided to go and see if they had received any.
Man-oh-man! They had two months worth of weeklies there! I thumbed
through the various copies, and discovered, simply by your fantastic style
(I wonder if the coloring and paper had anything to do with it?), chapter
three of Lo$. So, overjoyed, I bought this and the anniversary issue of
Mickey Mouse for $2.50 each. I was greatly surprised at the gimmicks
inside. The Uncle Scrooge issue had a fossil kit (plastic mold and
cement) in the middle, and the anniversary issue had a Mickey Mouse pin.
So, during my afternoon coffee break, I sat down and started translating
what I could as I read. Don, this is the first time I have laughed out
loud at a Disney comic book. Not that the other stories weren't funny,
but I think the process of translating and then realizing the joke made it
even more humorous. Especially the line about politics.
One question. Towards the end of the story, is that location Toadstool
National Park? Or is it someplace generic? The ranching scenery of
endless grass and snow looks a lot like western Nebraska, and the
Sandhills actually extend into Nebraska. I hope Scrooge actually set foot
in Nebraska, but if not, well, no problem. Mark Twain didn't think too
highly of Omaha when he visited, so I wouldn't be surprised if U$ bypassed
Nebraska. Of course, if he wants to raise cattle, there is no place
better than Nebraska. (This paragraph paid for by the Nebraska Tourism
Board.)
BTW, I have discovered an interesting fact. The Smithsonian has in its
possession the nugget which started the California Gold Rush. Any chance
of Scrooge and company hunting for this?
I look forward to the other eleven chapters!
Heck! I look forward to anything from you! Got any blueprints you want to
sell? (and what do you think of the architecture at Disney's corporate
headquarters?
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
Harry Fluks
Indexing system? (Chris)
Message 112 -
1993-11-19 at 17:14:41
Christ Lawton had
> A quick question:
>
> What kind of personal indexing system does everybody use? I think for now,
> that I'm just going to use Excel to catalog issues that I have. But
> what kind of information do you like to have?
What exactly do you mean? A personal indexing system for information about
which comics one posesses?
In that case: the answer is: ASCII. I have a little file with issue numbers
of comics I don't have, and I update that file with my favourite program
editor.
Or are you talking about our stories indexes (available via ftp)?
In that case, the answer is: ASCII.
> But on to some comic related stuff: Did anyone ever let Gladstone know
> about this list? In a recent printed letter in DDA #23, someone asked
> how they can get in touch with other Disney Comics readers - and no
> mention of us!
Well, David: any response yet to your letter to Gladstone with our remarks?
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (NL) (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
> A quick question:
>
> What kind of personal indexing system does everybody use? I think for now,
> that I'm just going to use Excel to catalog issues that I have. But
> what kind of information do you like to have?
What exactly do you mean? A personal indexing system for information about
which comics one posesses?
In that case: the answer is: ASCII. I have a little file with issue numbers
of comics I don't have, and I update that file with my favourite program
editor.
Or are you talking about our stories indexes (available via ftp)?
In that case, the answer is: ASCII.
> But on to some comic related stuff: Did anyone ever let Gladstone know
> about this list? In a recent printed letter in DDA #23, someone asked
> how they can get in touch with other Disney Comics readers - and no
> mention of us!
Well, David: any response yet to your letter to Gladstone with our remarks?
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (NL) (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
Torsten Wesley Adair
Rec.arts.disney
Message 113 -
1993-11-19 at 17:26:54
Yes, I read r.a.d. Yes, I too am interested in sales figures of Disney
video tapes, inner workings of DisneyWorld, and song parodies.
As a matter of fact, if I hadn't posted a note saying that Carl Barks had
won a lifetime achievement award (Disney Legends?), Per wouldn't have told
me about this group. So it is good for something.
Personally, I think we get more members from the comic book lists than we
do from the r.a.d.
BTW, could someone tell me any Disney comics appearances of Chernobog from
Fantasia? Perhaps he did a cameo with Jiminy Cricket and Thumper? (HA!)
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
video tapes, inner workings of DisneyWorld, and song parodies.
As a matter of fact, if I hadn't posted a note saying that Carl Barks had
won a lifetime achievement award (Disney Legends?), Per wouldn't have told
me about this group. So it is good for something.
Personally, I think we get more members from the comic book lists than we
do from the r.a.d.
BTW, could someone tell me any Disney comics appearances of Chernobog from
Fantasia? Perhaps he did a cameo with Jiminy Cricket and Thumper? (HA!)
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
Harry Fluks
WARNING!.. WARNING!..
Message 114 -
1993-11-19 at 17:27:59
Gil warned:
> Quick, check your respective hard-drives and diskettes!! We have found a
> virus in our system here and we don't know fron whence it came! Our system
> is *now* CLEAN, but these things have a way of SPREADING WILDLY!!..
> We ran a DELETE and CLEAN with MICROSOFT ANTI-VIRUS, so check you computers
> for any and all bugs ASAP!!!
There is no chance at all to get a virus from plain (ASCII) mail. This can
only happen if you run a program or install a system file that was sent in
binary form.
The only program ever sent on this list was Fredrik's C-program to extract data
from the 'interlingual' file. Fredrik sent the source code, and I am sure there
was no virus in there 8-).
(On the other hand, if I'm wrong about all this, I would like to know!)
--Harry.
> Quick, check your respective hard-drives and diskettes!! We have found a
> virus in our system here and we don't know fron whence it came! Our system
> is *now* CLEAN, but these things have a way of SPREADING WILDLY!!..
> We ran a DELETE and CLEAN with MICROSOFT ANTI-VIRUS, so check you computers
> for any and all bugs ASAP!!!
There is no chance at all to get a virus from plain (ASCII) mail. This can
only happen if you run a program or install a system file that was sent in
binary form.
The only program ever sent on this list was Fredrik's C-program to extract data
from the 'interlingual' file. Fredrik sent the source code, and I am sure there
was no virus in there 8-).
(On the other hand, if I'm wrong about all this, I would like to know!)
--Harry.
Mattias Hallin
Spoil-sport warnings in subject header...
Message 115 -
1993-11-19 at 17:33:06
Mark Semich asked us all to give him, and any possible others that think his
way, the chance to pristine enjoyment of Lo$, by putting some kind of warning
early enough in such postings that discuss minutiae of said series; in order
that he could then read them or not, as he might decide...
Well, Mark, first of all: no offense what-so-ever taken because of your VERY
polite request! And secondly: I really DO beg your pardon for not having
figured this out myself (I do think I'm one of the more persistent writers on
this particular subject) - I should have been more considerate, really!
Ergo: I for one will TRY to remember to warn you guys whenever I write on that
particular subject. I might forget, occasionally, and hope that you'll bear
with me... And I most certainly intend to CONTINUE this particular brand of
discussion - and I, too, look forward to the American publication most eagerly;
in part because, as I think I've said, I much rather read things in their
original language, if I'm at all able to, but ALSO, and not least, because I
look forward to having all you English-only readers in on the discussions!
Don: Yeah, you were dead right - I was at least TRYIN' to write in Rural
American/possibly with a Southern slant... I hope I don't made too much a mess
of it! One reason I'm somewhat adept at various American dialects and such, is
that I'm a Classic Jazz buff-and-practicing-musician; I often enough transcribe
lyrics off early-1920's-pre-electric recordings, more often than not recordings
by black (AND southern) artists, like Bessie Smith f'rinstance - and I also
read much American literature, and watch American movies - in particular
classic westerns, to which I'm a bit addicted... Sorry if I'm rambling about
not-at-all-Disney subjects, but, well...
A nice and Ducky week-end to all of you!
Mattias
way, the chance to pristine enjoyment of Lo$, by putting some kind of warning
early enough in such postings that discuss minutiae of said series; in order
that he could then read them or not, as he might decide...
Well, Mark, first of all: no offense what-so-ever taken because of your VERY
polite request! And secondly: I really DO beg your pardon for not having
figured this out myself (I do think I'm one of the more persistent writers on
this particular subject) - I should have been more considerate, really!
Ergo: I for one will TRY to remember to warn you guys whenever I write on that
particular subject. I might forget, occasionally, and hope that you'll bear
with me... And I most certainly intend to CONTINUE this particular brand of
discussion - and I, too, look forward to the American publication most eagerly;
in part because, as I think I've said, I much rather read things in their
original language, if I'm at all able to, but ALSO, and not least, because I
look forward to having all you English-only readers in on the discussions!
Don: Yeah, you were dead right - I was at least TRYIN' to write in Rural
American/possibly with a Southern slant... I hope I don't made too much a mess
of it! One reason I'm somewhat adept at various American dialects and such, is
that I'm a Classic Jazz buff-and-practicing-musician; I often enough transcribe
lyrics off early-1920's-pre-electric recordings, more often than not recordings
by black (AND southern) artists, like Bessie Smith f'rinstance - and I also
read much American literature, and watch American movies - in particular
classic westerns, to which I'm a bit addicted... Sorry if I'm rambling about
not-at-all-Disney subjects, but, well...
A nice and Ducky week-end to all of you!
Mattias
Torsten Wesley Adair
Indexing system?
Message 116 -
1993-11-19 at 17:33:55
While we are on the subject of indexes....
There has been quite a bit of talk (not recently) about stories which have
been edited because of racial stereotypes and political correctness. I
was wondering if anyone has a list of stories which have either been
edited or shelved by Disney Comics or other entities.
If not, I would like to suggest that such a list be created. It should
include the following:
Story title
Story code
Issues or books where this story has appeared.
A paragraph describing what changes have been made since the
original publication, and why.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
There has been quite a bit of talk (not recently) about stories which have
been edited because of racial stereotypes and political correctness. I
was wondering if anyone has a list of stories which have either been
edited or shelved by Disney Comics or other entities.
If not, I would like to suggest that such a list be created. It should
include the following:
Story title
Story code
Issues or books where this story has appeared.
A paragraph describing what changes have been made since the
original publication, and why.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
Torsten Wesley Adair
FAQ?
Message 117 -
1993-11-19 at 17:40:51
Recently, with the arrival of a lot of new people (HI Everyone!), there
has been talk of introductory material. Therefore, let me propose that a
list of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) be created for the enjoyment and
enlightenment of all who subscribe to this list.
Topics for inclusion:
What this list is, how it came to be, and it's purpose (do we have
one?).
A list of FTP sites, what's where, and how to get it.
A brief overview of Duck Genealogy.
A brief overview of where Donald and Mickey live.
An explanation of country codes.
The difference between the digests and the single messages.
A brief explanation about Disney comics circulation around the
world, who publishes what, and how the whole process works.
A brief bibliography of noted creators. (Barks, Rosa, Van Horn,
Gottfredson, etc.)
A list of other electronic resources for Disney fans and comic
book collectors (rec.arts.disney, rec.arts.comics.*,
comics-l, comix at world, et cetera).
How to submit stories and art. (?)
The whole file should be sent once to each member, with updates
sent whenever necessary. This FAQ should be posted every so often to
other electronic resources, and should be available via FTP.
Comments? Questions? Suggestions?
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
has been talk of introductory material. Therefore, let me propose that a
list of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) be created for the enjoyment and
enlightenment of all who subscribe to this list.
Topics for inclusion:
What this list is, how it came to be, and it's purpose (do we have
one?).
A list of FTP sites, what's where, and how to get it.
A brief overview of Duck Genealogy.
A brief overview of where Donald and Mickey live.
An explanation of country codes.
The difference between the digests and the single messages.
A brief explanation about Disney comics circulation around the
world, who publishes what, and how the whole process works.
A brief bibliography of noted creators. (Barks, Rosa, Van Horn,
Gottfredson, etc.)
A list of other electronic resources for Disney fans and comic
book collectors (rec.arts.disney, rec.arts.comics.*,
comics-l, comix at world, et cetera).
How to submit stories and art. (?)
The whole file should be sent once to each member, with updates
sent whenever necessary. This FAQ should be posted every so often to
other electronic resources, and should be available via FTP.
Comments? Questions? Suggestions?
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
Fredrik Ekman
FAQ?
Message 118 -
1993-11-19 at 19:02:54
Torsten Adair wrote:
> Recently, with the arrival of a lot of new people (HI Everyone!), there
> has been talk of introductory material. Therefore, let me propose that a
> list of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) be created for the enjoyment and
> enlightenment of all who subscribe to this list.
Great idea! Just 1 small detail: Who's gonna do it? Per doesn't have time
(I assume) and I don't have time (I am sure). Last time this was proposed
there were no volunteers. Are there any now?
/F
> Recently, with the arrival of a lot of new people (HI Everyone!), there
> has been talk of introductory material. Therefore, let me propose that a
> list of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) be created for the enjoyment and
> enlightenment of all who subscribe to this list.
Great idea! Just 1 small detail: Who's gonna do it? Per doesn't have time
(I assume) and I don't have time (I am sure). Last time this was proposed
there were no volunteers. Are there any now?
/F
Harry Fluks
List of censored stories
Message 119 -
1993-11-19 at 19:41:47
Torsten wrote:
> There has been quite a bit of talk (not recently) about stories which have
> been edited because of racial stereotypes and political correctness. I
> was wondering if anyone has a list of stories which have either been
> edited or shelved by Disney Comics or other entities.
I have a very old list, posted on r.a.d. long before the disney-comics mailing
list existed. It lists the changed and censored stories in the Carl Barks
Library.
We know more about textual changes and other stories now, but maybe this can
serve as a start?
--Harry.
> (...) It appears, that some of the
> rare stories are restored or completely redrawn, others are censored on
> certain places.
>
> Here is a list of what we found so far (in random order):
>
> Four Color 238, Voodoo Hoodoo: natives censored, zombie's nose changed.
> Uncensored version appeared in Europe.
> Uncle Scrooge 33 (2nd), Bongo on the Congo: natives changed on page 7 and
> 8.
> B&G March Of Comics 20, Darkest Africa: natives (cannibals) changed; one
> panel missing. The story has been redrawn, page 1 - 4 by Daan
> Jippes, the other pages by Dutch artist Dick Vlottes.
> Cheerio Giveaway, Atom Bomb: Mostly redrawn by Daan Jippes, only a few
> original Barks panels re-inserted in the Jippes version.
> Cash register and money removed on last panel.
> Firestone Giveaway '46, Santa's Stormy Visit: redrawn by Egmont. The
> drawings are very 'un-Barks'
> B&G March Of Comics 41, Race to the South Seas: redrawn by Daan Jippes (on
> one panel, Donald's ship is named "Kwaak". This is the Dutch word
> for "Quack")
> (Note: this version also appeared in a Disney Comic.
> They retouched the word "Kwaak" though)
> Southern Pacific Giveaway, Donald Tells About Kites: restored.
> Four Color 29 (3rd), Too Many Pets: restored.
>
> The redrawn versions by Daan Jippes were done in 1974, 1975 for Oberon, the
> Dutch Disney editor. Apparently, the CBL used some of these stories,
> replacing the Dutch dialogue by (original?) American.
>
> We are sure our list is not complete. We hope that an original version of
> the stories above will appear somewhere, sometime.
>
> Daniel van Eijmeren and Harry Fluks
> There has been quite a bit of talk (not recently) about stories which have
> been edited because of racial stereotypes and political correctness. I
> was wondering if anyone has a list of stories which have either been
> edited or shelved by Disney Comics or other entities.
I have a very old list, posted on r.a.d. long before the disney-comics mailing
list existed. It lists the changed and censored stories in the Carl Barks
Library.
We know more about textual changes and other stories now, but maybe this can
serve as a start?
--Harry.
> (...) It appears, that some of the
> rare stories are restored or completely redrawn, others are censored on
> certain places.
>
> Here is a list of what we found so far (in random order):
>
> Four Color 238, Voodoo Hoodoo: natives censored, zombie's nose changed.
> Uncensored version appeared in Europe.
> Uncle Scrooge 33 (2nd), Bongo on the Congo: natives changed on page 7 and
> 8.
> B&G March Of Comics 20, Darkest Africa: natives (cannibals) changed; one
> panel missing. The story has been redrawn, page 1 - 4 by Daan
> Jippes, the other pages by Dutch artist Dick Vlottes.
> Cheerio Giveaway, Atom Bomb: Mostly redrawn by Daan Jippes, only a few
> original Barks panels re-inserted in the Jippes version.
> Cash register and money removed on last panel.
> Firestone Giveaway '46, Santa's Stormy Visit: redrawn by Egmont. The
> drawings are very 'un-Barks'
> B&G March Of Comics 41, Race to the South Seas: redrawn by Daan Jippes (on
> one panel, Donald's ship is named "Kwaak". This is the Dutch word
> for "Quack")
> (Note: this version also appeared in a Disney Comic.
> They retouched the word "Kwaak" though)
> Southern Pacific Giveaway, Donald Tells About Kites: restored.
> Four Color 29 (3rd), Too Many Pets: restored.
>
> The redrawn versions by Daan Jippes were done in 1974, 1975 for Oberon, the
> Dutch Disney editor. Apparently, the CBL used some of these stories,
> replacing the Dutch dialogue by (original?) American.
>
> We are sure our list is not complete. We hope that an original version of
> the stories above will appear somewhere, sometime.
>
> Daniel van Eijmeren and Harry Fluks
Don Rosa
+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #162.
Message 120 -
1993-11-20 at 06:39:07
COMMENTS ON #162:
Mark's point was so well taken that I'm stunned that I would not
have thought of warning American readers when I was going to discuss the
Lo$ myself. Heck, I'm so anxious for readers to not know the stories
ahead of time that I even treat my editor like a common "reader" and I
won't tell him what a new story is about until he reads the
storyboard-script that I FAX him. That's very dangerous since I might
cause myself to spend a lot of time on a story that he knew that he
would have nixed had he known the plot or subject, but it seems SO
important that a reader does not know what the next page or even panel
will be until he gets to it. Entire stories are laid out just so key
panels appear on the "next page" to add a lil' surprize as the reader
turns a page. So, from now on, it'll say "SPOILER WARNING" at the start
of any paragraph where I discuss the Lo$.
Well, is it ALWAYS necessary, I'm already wondering? Now I'm
going to tell, was it Torsten?, that Lo$ part 3 does NOT take place in
Nebraska. Would that spoil anything? I know for a fact that many foreign
versions of my stories do not stick to my scripts, some less than
others. I'm in close touch with the German translator-editor, so the
German should be close. However, in my script it is made quite clear
exactly where $crooge is in that tale. In fact, you can always check the
first panel of each chapter where I make a point of including a map of
the site of that chapter's action. On the German-version map you can see
where the "Badlands" are, though they chose to not list the areas as
territories but as states, which made it look very odd to any American
that North and South Dakota are just Dakota. So $crooge is nowhere near
Nebraska... he was just across the central western border of the Dakota
territory where...uh... that guy in the story had his ranch (in real
life, of course). There! WHO that guy is might be something I wouldn't
want to spoil (if I haven't already once before).
As for all these new members, it seems to me that one of the
best ways they could be introduced to everything we're discussing is if
they can read the contents of the OLD digests. I'm told that these
digests are all on file somewhere, but are they available for new
members to call up at their leisure?
As for writing up a list of "FAQ", not me! No time! In fact, I
don't even have time to finish what I'
Mark's point was so well taken that I'm stunned that I would not
have thought of warning American readers when I was going to discuss the
Lo$ myself. Heck, I'm so anxious for readers to not know the stories
ahead of time that I even treat my editor like a common "reader" and I
won't tell him what a new story is about until he reads the
storyboard-script that I FAX him. That's very dangerous since I might
cause myself to spend a lot of time on a story that he knew that he
would have nixed had he known the plot or subject, but it seems SO
important that a reader does not know what the next page or even panel
will be until he gets to it. Entire stories are laid out just so key
panels appear on the "next page" to add a lil' surprize as the reader
turns a page. So, from now on, it'll say "SPOILER WARNING" at the start
of any paragraph where I discuss the Lo$.
Well, is it ALWAYS necessary, I'm already wondering? Now I'm
going to tell, was it Torsten?, that Lo$ part 3 does NOT take place in
Nebraska. Would that spoil anything? I know for a fact that many foreign
versions of my stories do not stick to my scripts, some less than
others. I'm in close touch with the German translator-editor, so the
German should be close. However, in my script it is made quite clear
exactly where $crooge is in that tale. In fact, you can always check the
first panel of each chapter where I make a point of including a map of
the site of that chapter's action. On the German-version map you can see
where the "Badlands" are, though they chose to not list the areas as
territories but as states, which made it look very odd to any American
that North and South Dakota are just Dakota. So $crooge is nowhere near
Nebraska... he was just across the central western border of the Dakota
territory where...uh... that guy in the story had his ranch (in real
life, of course). There! WHO that guy is might be something I wouldn't
want to spoil (if I haven't already once before).
As for all these new members, it seems to me that one of the
best ways they could be introduced to everything we're discussing is if
they can read the contents of the OLD digests. I'm told that these
digests are all on file somewhere, but are they available for new
members to call up at their leisure?
As for writing up a list of "FAQ", not me! No time! In fact, I
don't even have time to finish what I'