Can someone please tell me if the version of Steamboat Willie on the
new laser disc set is uncut?
I refer to a scene that follows Mickey Mouse pulling on the piglets'
tails. What comes next, and is missing from many prints, is Mickey
lifting up the mother pig and playing "Turkey in the Straw" on her
teats.
I have seen a 35mm print of Steamboat Willie containing this scene
at the Museum of Modern Art in New York.
Thanks in advance for the information.
___________________________________________________________________
Mark Mayerson Side Effects Software Inc.,
Internet: mayerson at sidefx.com Toronto, Ontario, Canada
(416) 366-4607
Author
Topic: 199311
(180 messages)
Mark Mayerson
MM laser disks
Message 136 -
1993-11-23 at 16:59:25
Bror Hellman
+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #164.
Message 137 -
1993-11-23 at 22:48:20
On 22 Nov 1993, Don Rosa wrote:
/../
> Torsten:
> The identity of the "guy" in Lo$ part 3 is intended NOT to be
> known by any readers except the adults or otherwise bright ones. All the
> clues are there...that guy actually DID have a ranch in the western
> Dakota Territory in 1882 when $crooge was there, and he did all the
> other things I say he did.
Yes, I think I can identify him. But aren't you somewhat too nice to him? I had
the feeling that he was a bully, scoundrel and shooted much too many buffaloes.
Steamboat Willie
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/../
> Torsten:
> The identity of the "guy" in Lo$ part 3 is intended NOT to be
> known by any readers except the adults or otherwise bright ones. All the
> clues are there...that guy actually DID have a ranch in the western
> Dakota Territory in 1882 when $crooge was there, and he did all the
> other things I say he did.
Yes, I think I can identify him. But aren't you somewhat too nice to him? I had
the feeling that he was a bully, scoundrel and shooted much too many buffaloes.
Steamboat Willie
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David A Gerstein
MM laser discs
Message 138 -
1993-11-24 at 03:01:52
Dear Folks:
Mark Mayerson asked,
"Can someone please tell me if the version of Steamboat Willie
on the new laser disc set is uncut? I refer to a scene that follows
Mickey Mouse pulling on the piglets' tails. What comes next, and is
missing from many prints, is Mickey lifting up the mother pig and
playing "Turkey in the Straw" on her teats."
This scene was deleted when the film was re-released in 1953
(for MM's 25th birthday), and modern negatives to the film seem to
lack it. (There is a slight "shimmer" right about where it was cut,
indicating that a negative somewhere along the line was spliced.)
Thus, the laser disc sadly lacks the scene. Of course, the
clutzes could have very easily inserted the scene from an old pre-1953
*print*, even if they don't have the *negative* to that version. They
do have such a print -- the old Disney Channel show "Good Morning
Mickey" used a battered old print on orange film stock that included
the scene.
However, the producers of "Good Morning Mickey" left out other
things. You see, they took the print, made a video copy, then cut up
the video copy with computerized cutting-and-pasting. (They felt that
they couldn't get four cartoons onto the show unless they condensed
them!) So the middle of the cartoon (Pete's tobacco gag, and the
animals first being seen on the Podunk landing) was chopped out there.
Between the laser print and the old "Good Morning Mickey"
version, I can claim to have seen -- I believe -- the entire cartoon.
But according to the "Willie" *storyboards* (also included on
the disk) there is *another* pig scene -- after the cow is hoisted on
board, the sow is, too, with piglets hanging on to her teats by their
teeth! Since GMM cut the middle from the cartoon, I have no idea if
this scene actually made it to animation. Is it in the MOMA print you
saw? If not, we can assume that this one was never even animated.
I have written to the folks in charge of "restoring" the MM
films for the laserdisc, explaining about the existence of the "lost"
teat-playing scene that you mentioned, and instructing them to insert
it for future pressings of the discs. I should have a receptive
audience; I didn't just send the letter into the wild blue yonder,
but found the right guy to send it to from Jerry Beck, a good friend
of mine (who is in charge of MGM/UA's "Golden Age of Looney Tunes"
disc sets, as well as being an advisor to the MM disc series).
NOTE: I may be wrong that the current negative to "Steamboat
Willie" lacks the teat-playing scene -- Disney Video may have ordered
it deleted. But this doesn't seem likely because other, grosser gags
have been left IN every other cartoon on the discs. Aside from
"Steamboat Willie" everything is uncut. I believe that the omission
of this scene was a mistake, and that it will hopefully be rectified.
Maybe you want to wait on buying the discs 'til I find out the
lowdown? (Although that's a tough assignment... they're GREAT!)
* * * * *
I'm sorry that this letter has nothing to do with comics! But
it was important for me to answer it.
Sincerely,
David Gerstein
Mark Mayerson asked,
"Can someone please tell me if the version of Steamboat Willie
on the new laser disc set is uncut? I refer to a scene that follows
Mickey Mouse pulling on the piglets' tails. What comes next, and is
missing from many prints, is Mickey lifting up the mother pig and
playing "Turkey in the Straw" on her teats."
This scene was deleted when the film was re-released in 1953
(for MM's 25th birthday), and modern negatives to the film seem to
lack it. (There is a slight "shimmer" right about where it was cut,
indicating that a negative somewhere along the line was spliced.)
Thus, the laser disc sadly lacks the scene. Of course, the
clutzes could have very easily inserted the scene from an old pre-1953
*print*, even if they don't have the *negative* to that version. They
do have such a print -- the old Disney Channel show "Good Morning
Mickey" used a battered old print on orange film stock that included
the scene.
However, the producers of "Good Morning Mickey" left out other
things. You see, they took the print, made a video copy, then cut up
the video copy with computerized cutting-and-pasting. (They felt that
they couldn't get four cartoons onto the show unless they condensed
them!) So the middle of the cartoon (Pete's tobacco gag, and the
animals first being seen on the Podunk landing) was chopped out there.
Between the laser print and the old "Good Morning Mickey"
version, I can claim to have seen -- I believe -- the entire cartoon.
But according to the "Willie" *storyboards* (also included on
the disk) there is *another* pig scene -- after the cow is hoisted on
board, the sow is, too, with piglets hanging on to her teats by their
teeth! Since GMM cut the middle from the cartoon, I have no idea if
this scene actually made it to animation. Is it in the MOMA print you
saw? If not, we can assume that this one was never even animated.
I have written to the folks in charge of "restoring" the MM
films for the laserdisc, explaining about the existence of the "lost"
teat-playing scene that you mentioned, and instructing them to insert
it for future pressings of the discs. I should have a receptive
audience; I didn't just send the letter into the wild blue yonder,
but found the right guy to send it to from Jerry Beck, a good friend
of mine (who is in charge of MGM/UA's "Golden Age of Looney Tunes"
disc sets, as well as being an advisor to the MM disc series).
NOTE: I may be wrong that the current negative to "Steamboat
Willie" lacks the teat-playing scene -- Disney Video may have ordered
it deleted. But this doesn't seem likely because other, grosser gags
have been left IN every other cartoon on the discs. Aside from
"Steamboat Willie" everything is uncut. I believe that the omission
of this scene was a mistake, and that it will hopefully be rectified.
Maybe you want to wait on buying the discs 'til I find out the
lowdown? (Although that's a tough assignment... they're GREAT!)
* * * * *
I'm sorry that this letter has nothing to do with comics! But
it was important for me to answer it.
Sincerely,
David Gerstein
Don Rosa
+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #166.
Message 139 -
1993-11-24 at 06:09:23
Bror:
There, just as I said, Europeans have the wrong idea about the
"guy". He was one of the greatest American heroes, unfailingly honest
and was one of the originators, along with his close friend John Muir,
of the modern environmentalist and conservationist movement. Try reading
one of his many, many books on nature or politics or the spirit of
adventure and honesty.
Mattias:
As Stefan knows, I don't hesitate to stick in a good pun if I
think of it... but I might hesitate if I thought the translators felt
compelled to put their own pun or joke into the same spot, even if they
can't come up anything good. I mean, I can hardly judge whether Stefan's
Swedish pun is good or "strained", but why couldn't he just put some
unfunny dialogue in that spot rather than kill himself; he might just as
easilly sometime put a pun in somewhere where I DON'T have one.
But... I can hrdly accuse him of putting far more effort into a
job than the pay justifies! That's what I do every day!
There, just as I said, Europeans have the wrong idea about the
"guy". He was one of the greatest American heroes, unfailingly honest
and was one of the originators, along with his close friend John Muir,
of the modern environmentalist and conservationist movement. Try reading
one of his many, many books on nature or politics or the spirit of
adventure and honesty.
Mattias:
As Stefan knows, I don't hesitate to stick in a good pun if I
think of it... but I might hesitate if I thought the translators felt
compelled to put their own pun or joke into the same spot, even if they
can't come up anything good. I mean, I can hardly judge whether Stefan's
Swedish pun is good or "strained", but why couldn't he just put some
unfunny dialogue in that spot rather than kill himself; he might just as
easilly sometime put a pun in somewhere where I DON'T have one.
But... I can hrdly accuse him of putting far more effort into a
job than the pay justifies! That's what I do every day!
Bjorn-are.Davidsen
Idetification in the Wild West
Message 140 -
1993-11-24 at 10:26:19
Don and Bror!
Just some words on the identity of this "guy" in Lo$3. I think the problem is not
that Europeans (like Bror) have the wrong opinion on the (right) guy, but that Bror
may have the right opinion of the wrong guy.
In other words, if I am correct (and I may be wrong) Bror har mistaken the person
for another one, more concerned with exterminating large animals on the plains,
Wild West Circuses and Sitting Bulls, not to mention his long beard and bandit
mustache, than with politics, environmentalism or liberating islands.
I also think that most Europeans just know too little of the person in Lo$3, as he
has been almost completely overshadowed by his later namesake.
Bj|rn Are (still very much into history).
Bjorn-Are.Davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no
Just some words on the identity of this "guy" in Lo$3. I think the problem is not
that Europeans (like Bror) have the wrong opinion on the (right) guy, but that Bror
may have the right opinion of the wrong guy.
In other words, if I am correct (and I may be wrong) Bror har mistaken the person
for another one, more concerned with exterminating large animals on the plains,
Wild West Circuses and Sitting Bulls, not to mention his long beard and bandit
mustache, than with politics, environmentalism or liberating islands.
I also think that most Europeans just know too little of the person in Lo$3, as he
has been almost completely overshadowed by his later namesake.
Bj|rn Are (still very much into history).
Bjorn-Are.Davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no
Bjorn-are.Davidsen
Idenification in the Wild West
Message 141 -
1993-11-24 at 10:29:22
Don and Bror!
Just some words on the identity of this "guy" in Lo$3. I think the problem is not
that Europeans (like Bror) have the wrong opinion on the (right) guy, but that Bror
may have the right opinion of the wrong guy.
In other words, if I am correct (and I may be wrong) Bror har mistaken the person
for another one, more concerned with exterminating large animals on the plains,
Wild West Circuses and Sitting Bulls, not to mention his long beard and bandit
mustache, than with politics, environmentalism or liberating islands.
I also think that most Europeans just know too little of the person in Lo$3, as he
has been almost completely overshadowed by his later namesake.
Bj|rn Are (still very much into history).
Bjorn-Are.Davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no
Just some words on the identity of this "guy" in Lo$3. I think the problem is not
that Europeans (like Bror) have the wrong opinion on the (right) guy, but that Bror
may have the right opinion of the wrong guy.
In other words, if I am correct (and I may be wrong) Bror har mistaken the person
for another one, more concerned with exterminating large animals on the plains,
Wild West Circuses and Sitting Bulls, not to mention his long beard and bandit
mustache, than with politics, environmentalism or liberating islands.
I also think that most Europeans just know too little of the person in Lo$3, as he
has been almost completely overshadowed by his later namesake.
Bj|rn Are (still very much into history).
Bjorn-Are.Davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no
Mattias Hallin
Varia
Message 142 -
1993-11-24 at 15:04:56
Don:
I think that's a fair enough assumption on your part - that Stefan, at
least when something interests him, like your work does - puts more effort into
the job than his (nominal) pay demands; actually I think that sort of challenge
is a kinda pay in itself. It's obvious too (since the pun had disappeared in
the Norwegian translation) that not every translator feels, as you put it,
compelled to translate every last pun or joke in your scripts. And since
there's no way that you could possibly adapt your scripts to suit any
particular translator's needs, not to mention all of them, and since you
probably wouldn't care for that sort of thing any old way - where is the
problem? In my humble (but as usual loudmouthed) opinion you should go on doing
what your doing - i.e. being as funny & punny in your own language as you
yourself care to be; and I for one am just plain & dad-blasted HAPPY that you
care enough to put more sweat & toil into your work than you'll probably
ever'll get temporally rewarded for!!!
Bjorn-Are:
(and a few others); there is a minor technicality I'd like to take up
with you. You are, I guess?, working on some kind of personal computer?
Macintosh or IBM/compatible? Because when I get your postings, who am working
at a VAX/VMS terminal, every line gets "broken off" within a few characters
of the end of that line. My screen can only show 80 characters width, so if you
could perhaps make your postings "narrower", they would be much easier to read.
Just a thought...
Mattias
I think that's a fair enough assumption on your part - that Stefan, at
least when something interests him, like your work does - puts more effort into
the job than his (nominal) pay demands; actually I think that sort of challenge
is a kinda pay in itself. It's obvious too (since the pun had disappeared in
the Norwegian translation) that not every translator feels, as you put it,
compelled to translate every last pun or joke in your scripts. And since
there's no way that you could possibly adapt your scripts to suit any
particular translator's needs, not to mention all of them, and since you
probably wouldn't care for that sort of thing any old way - where is the
problem? In my humble (but as usual loudmouthed) opinion you should go on doing
what your doing - i.e. being as funny & punny in your own language as you
yourself care to be; and I for one am just plain & dad-blasted HAPPY that you
care enough to put more sweat & toil into your work than you'll probably
ever'll get temporally rewarded for!!!
Bjorn-Are:
(and a few others); there is a minor technicality I'd like to take up
with you. You are, I guess?, working on some kind of personal computer?
Macintosh or IBM/compatible? Because when I get your postings, who am working
at a VAX/VMS terminal, every line gets "broken off" within a few characters
of the end of that line. My screen can only show 80 characters width, so if you
could perhaps make your postings "narrower", they would be much easier to read.
Just a thought...
Mattias
Juuso Paaso
Disney-comics
Message 143 -
1993-11-24 at 16:01:42
Well, this is my first posting to the list. You know, things like this seem
very surreal, for you can like 'talk' to someone who you honor a sub-god
(like Don Rosa :) and so... Amazing. Much more from what I have used to.
Better get to the point.
So, first of all, I would like to wonder, why on the list of Disney-comics
Don Rosa has drawn, in the Scandinavian paragraph there are no Finnish comics
If this is because of your lack of knowledge about Finnish publications, I
sure could help.
And then, I would like to inquire from Don, if you have drawn any other
comics than Disney-comics? It sure would be a pleasure to read those, too.
But better stop now. Sorry, if my English is not very understandable, but
in this kind of fever I can't think up straight. Better lay down.
Thank you in advance,
Juuso Paaso
very surreal, for you can like 'talk' to someone who you honor a sub-god
(like Don Rosa :) and so... Amazing. Much more from what I have used to.
Better get to the point.
So, first of all, I would like to wonder, why on the list of Disney-comics
Don Rosa has drawn, in the Scandinavian paragraph there are no Finnish comics
If this is because of your lack of knowledge about Finnish publications, I
sure could help.
And then, I would like to inquire from Don, if you have drawn any other
comics than Disney-comics? It sure would be a pleasure to read those, too.
But better stop now. Sorry, if my English is not very understandable, but
in this kind of fever I can't think up straight. Better lay down.
Thank you in advance,
Juuso Paaso
Per Starback
The Don Rosa index
Message 144 -
1993-11-24 at 16:23:40
New list member (welcome!) Juuso Paaso wrote:
> So, first of all, I would like to wonder, why on the list of Disney-comics
> Don Rosa has drawn, in the Scandinavian paragraph there are no Finnish comics
> If this is because of your lack of knowledge about Finnish publications, I
> sure could help.
The reason there is no information on Finnish publications of Rosa's
comics is because noone has collected it for us, so you're very much
welcome to do that. This one-column-for-every-country format isn't
very practical as the number of countries in the index increase, by
the way. (Already the German data from David isn't in don-rosa, but
in its own file don-rosa.germany.) Probably the only stuff in the
master index should be info on the comics themselves (their codes,
number of pages, various notes...) and their American publications,
and all "foreign" stuff should go somewhere else. What do you think?
After all most Duck fans wouldn't care much about where a particular
story was published in Finland, Sweden, or Timbuktoo.
Juuso also asked if Don has done any other comics than Disney comics.
He has, but as I haven't been able to read any of them :-( I won't say
anything more about it, but will let someone else give a better
answer. Even though it's not Disney comics, I think it would be
justified to have Don's non-Disney comics in our index as well.
Especially since Don has said (I remember this right, I hope?) that he
will remake every Captain Kentucky episode into a Duck episode
eventually. Then it might be interesting to note those
correspondences.
But as everything else (like the recent discussions of FAQs etc.)
someone has to do it... ("Not me! I've got a belly-ache!")
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
> So, first of all, I would like to wonder, why on the list of Disney-comics
> Don Rosa has drawn, in the Scandinavian paragraph there are no Finnish comics
> If this is because of your lack of knowledge about Finnish publications, I
> sure could help.
The reason there is no information on Finnish publications of Rosa's
comics is because noone has collected it for us, so you're very much
welcome to do that. This one-column-for-every-country format isn't
very practical as the number of countries in the index increase, by
the way. (Already the German data from David isn't in don-rosa, but
in its own file don-rosa.germany.) Probably the only stuff in the
master index should be info on the comics themselves (their codes,
number of pages, various notes...) and their American publications,
and all "foreign" stuff should go somewhere else. What do you think?
After all most Duck fans wouldn't care much about where a particular
story was published in Finland, Sweden, or Timbuktoo.
Juuso also asked if Don has done any other comics than Disney comics.
He has, but as I haven't been able to read any of them :-( I won't say
anything more about it, but will let someone else give a better
answer. Even though it's not Disney comics, I think it would be
justified to have Don's non-Disney comics in our index as well.
Especially since Don has said (I remember this right, I hope?) that he
will remake every Captain Kentucky episode into a Duck episode
eventually. Then it might be interesting to note those
correspondences.
But as everything else (like the recent discussions of FAQs etc.)
someone has to do it... ("Not me! I've got a belly-ache!")
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Per Starback
Who are we?
Message 145 -
1993-11-24 at 16:46:05
Mark wrote:
> With all of the recent new members on the disney comics mailing list,
> I was wondering if we now had any people in the U.K. who might know ...
There have been a lot of new members recently. You have only seen the
tip of the iceberg, that is those who send their subscription requests
to the list instead of to the disney-comics-request address where is
should go. (Currently there are no UK subscribers at all, though.)
Among the new subscribers are a couple of pros of the field, btw:
David Cody Weiss & Bobbi JG Weiss. Welcome to you, and to everyone
else new on the list!
Mattias asked:
> I'm a bit curious: Per, or someone, just how many of us are there now - and
> who are we, actually? Would it be possible to put together some sort of
> presentation digest, or something, with short introduc(k)tions from each and
> all of us? Where we live, what we do - anything we'd like to mention...
Of course it would. Do you volunteer to maintain such a list of
introduc(k)tions? As for how many we are, etc., we are about 90
people now! Should I post some member statistics once in a while,
like the number of subscribers and how they are distributed
geographically once in a while (or even the whole list of
subscribers?), or is that too much off-topic for you all?
Should I encourage new members to introduce themselves to the list?
What do you think?
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
> With all of the recent new members on the disney comics mailing list,
> I was wondering if we now had any people in the U.K. who might know ...
There have been a lot of new members recently. You have only seen the
tip of the iceberg, that is those who send their subscription requests
to the list instead of to the disney-comics-request address where is
should go. (Currently there are no UK subscribers at all, though.)
Among the new subscribers are a couple of pros of the field, btw:
David Cody Weiss & Bobbi JG Weiss. Welcome to you, and to everyone
else new on the list!
Mattias asked:
> I'm a bit curious: Per, or someone, just how many of us are there now - and
> who are we, actually? Would it be possible to put together some sort of
> presentation digest, or something, with short introduc(k)tions from each and
> all of us? Where we live, what we do - anything we'd like to mention...
Of course it would. Do you volunteer to maintain such a list of
introduc(k)tions? As for how many we are, etc., we are about 90
people now! Should I post some member statistics once in a while,
like the number of subscribers and how they are distributed
geographically once in a while (or even the whole list of
subscribers?), or is that too much off-topic for you all?
Should I encourage new members to introduce themselves to the list?
What do you think?
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Mattias Hallin
List of introduc(k)tions on the list?!
Message 146 -
1993-11-24 at 17:02:03
Would I be willing to do the actual (shudder!) WORK??? Yes! BUT!!! Please,
every-one, do NOT start sending me any curriculums or introduc(k)tions YET; but
give me a few days to work out the details, if any, with Per. So... I'm the
first of those of us who has suggested communal projects lately who actually
also volunteers to do the work...?! (add 50 words of bragging & self-praise
here).
What I think I'd like to do is collect REASONABLY SHORT personal presentations
from all of those on the list who want to be in such a digest and paste them
into such a digest, and then keep it reasonably updated and posted at suitably
regular/irregular intervals.
BUT don't send me ANYTHING YET!
I do however think it would be nice to know a little more about ones electronic
friends all over the world - after all, one of the major fringe-benefits in
this non-yuppish, un-fringe-beneficial fandom environment IS the amazing
collection of healthily insane and very nice people one gets to know!!! (Not to
mention the benefits of an international set of pads to crash when
traveling abroad.)
Anyway, Per - I think I'd like to discuss this with you in some further detail,
but for the other's sake we should perhaps keep that discussion of the list?
And we can, I assume, talk it over when me meet in Stockholm this week-end.
Mattias
every-one, do NOT start sending me any curriculums or introduc(k)tions YET; but
give me a few days to work out the details, if any, with Per. So... I'm the
first of those of us who has suggested communal projects lately who actually
also volunteers to do the work...?! (add 50 words of bragging & self-praise
here).
What I think I'd like to do is collect REASONABLY SHORT personal presentations
from all of those on the list who want to be in such a digest and paste them
into such a digest, and then keep it reasonably updated and posted at suitably
regular/irregular intervals.
BUT don't send me ANYTHING YET!
I do however think it would be nice to know a little more about ones electronic
friends all over the world - after all, one of the major fringe-benefits in
this non-yuppish, un-fringe-beneficial fandom environment IS the amazing
collection of healthily insane and very nice people one gets to know!!! (Not to
mention the benefits of an international set of pads to crash when
traveling abroad.)
Anyway, Per - I think I'd like to discuss this with you in some further detail,
but for the other's sake we should perhaps keep that discussion of the list?
And we can, I assume, talk it over when me meet in Stockholm this week-end.
Mattias
M. Mitchell Marmel
Who are we?
Message 147 -
1993-11-24 at 17:28:24
>geographically once in a while (or even the whole list of
>subscribers?), or is that too much off-topic for you all?
Nope. I, for one, am interested...
>Should I encourage new members to introduce themselves to the list?
>What do you think?
As a longtime lurker, I'm all for it! :)
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M. Mitchell Marmel |Drexel University
marmelmm at dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu |Fibrous Materials Research Center
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
("It's like _Diver Dan,_ but without the majesty and grandeur!" - Tom Servo)
>subscribers?), or is that too much off-topic for you all?
Nope. I, for one, am interested...
>Should I encourage new members to introduce themselves to the list?
>What do you think?
As a longtime lurker, I'm all for it! :)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
M. Mitchell Marmel |Drexel University
marmelmm at dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu |Fibrous Materials Research Center
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
("It's like _Diver Dan,_ but without the majesty and grandeur!" - Tom Servo)
Bror Hellman
Identification in the Wild West
Message 148 -
1993-11-24 at 17:57:25
On Wed, 24 Nov 1993 bjorn-are.davidsen at s.televerket.tele.no wrote:
> Don and Bror!
> Just some words on the identity of this "guy" in Lo$3. I think the problem is not
> that Europeans (like Bror) have the wrong opinion on the (right) guy, but that Bror
> may have the right opinion of the wrong guy.
Nope, I don't think so.
> In other words, if I am correct (and I may be wrong) Bror har mistaken the
person
> for another one, more concerned with exterminating large animals on the plains,
> Wild West Circuses and Sitting Bulls, not to mention his long beard and bandit
> mustache, than with politics, environmentalism or liberating islands.
Nope, I don't think William owed a ranch or hugged bears.
I was referring to this passage:
"In 1883 at the age of 24, *BEEP* stepped off a train in Little Missouri (later
called Medora) in the heart of Dakota. He'd come to join the hunt for the last
buffalo. He wet back East soon after his huting trip was over."
On the other hand I like THIS passage better:
"He also wore glasses ad was called "Four Eyes" by other Westerners until, with
a single punch, he knocked out an obnoxious, gun-toting drunkard who made the
mistake of stepping within reach of *BEEP*'s right."
Died in 1919 if I dont remember completely wrong.
Steamboat Willie
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> Don and Bror!
> Just some words on the identity of this "guy" in Lo$3. I think the problem is not
> that Europeans (like Bror) have the wrong opinion on the (right) guy, but that Bror
> may have the right opinion of the wrong guy.
Nope, I don't think so.
> In other words, if I am correct (and I may be wrong) Bror har mistaken the
person
> for another one, more concerned with exterminating large animals on the plains,
> Wild West Circuses and Sitting Bulls, not to mention his long beard and bandit
> mustache, than with politics, environmentalism or liberating islands.
Nope, I don't think William owed a ranch or hugged bears.
I was referring to this passage:
"In 1883 at the age of 24, *BEEP* stepped off a train in Little Missouri (later
called Medora) in the heart of Dakota. He'd come to join the hunt for the last
buffalo. He wet back East soon after his huting trip was over."
On the other hand I like THIS passage better:
"He also wore glasses ad was called "Four Eyes" by other Westerners until, with
a single punch, he knocked out an obnoxious, gun-toting drunkard who made the
mistake of stepping within reach of *BEEP*'s right."
Died in 1919 if I dont remember completely wrong.
Steamboat Willie
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Harry Fluks
Another "changed stories" list
Message 149 -
1993-11-24 at 19:25:36
Jon C. Lorentzen had another addition to the "changed stories" list:
> In the story where Donald becomes obsessed with fire, and runs around
> all over Duckburg makin fires (square fires, round fires etc. :)), I believe
> there was inserted a badly drawn panel in the end, where Donald wakes
> up in bed. Making the entire story a bad dream.
I think changes like this should go in another list, because they were made
BEFORE the story was published the first time. I made a list of changes like
this, long ago, and you can find it and the end of this mail. I just translated
it from Dutch into (bad) English.
The list is not quite complete: I didn't list small textual changes (e.g. in
Barks' Junior Woodchuck stories); I removed covers and non-Barks stories from
the list.
Data is from Michael Barrier's "Carl Barks and the art of the comic book", and
from The Carl Barks Library (which I don't have: Daniel van Eijmeren gave me
the info).
Description of changes is very short. The list was meant for quick reference,
not as an extensive description list of all the changes.
See if you like it.
--Harry.
CHANGES IN BARKS COMIC STORIES BEFORE FIRST PUBLICATION
Changes are made either by the editor or by Barks himself. In the latter case,
the change is preceded by "Barks:".
[Stories:]
WDC 42 (kite weather) layout 10 x 3 rows -> 7 x 4 rows.
WDC 63 last panel: halos added (?)
WDC 147 row 2, 3 and 4 of pg. 1 lowered.
WDC 157 Barks: final 3 panels changed into dream ending.
WDC 175 (taffy) Barks: changed after inking
WDC 247 (the madcap mariner) 1 page deleted.
WDC 249 (stranger than fiction) 1 page deleted.
WDC 259 (jungle bungle) Barks: splash panel (and probably panel 2)
changed.
OS 108c (the firebug) final two panels replaced by non-Barks.
OS 203a (the golden christmas tree) text changed on final page (panels
2 - 5).
Barks: some redrawn (half) pages between pg. 10 and 18.
OS 238a (voodoo hoodoo) Bombies eyelids added.
+ textual changes "dead" -> "done for"
DD 26a (trick or treat) 8 pages removed.
Barks: splash panel (1/2 page) replaced by 1 1/2 new pages.
DD 45 (dog catcher) 8 panels removed, row 3 and 4 on page 5 are
in wrong order.
DD 138 (a day in a duck's life) 14-pg script reduced to 13 pg.
OS 456a (back to the klondike) 5 pages removed.
US 8a (petrifying ray) Barks: story changed after inking parts.
US 12a (the golden fleecing) 1 panel removed on pg. 31; layout pg.
31 and 32 messed up.
Barks: 2 panels redrawn. Text changes: 'Harpies' -> 'Larkies'.
US 13a (land beneath the ground) Barks: shortened 32 -> 28 pg.
US 22a (the golden river) Barks: 1 1/8 pg. replaced.
US 32a (that's no fable) Barks: 2 panels replaced after inking.
US 34a (mythtic mystery) 2 pages cut.
US 50a (rug riders in the sky) 1 page cut.
US 51a (how green was my lettuce) 2 pages cut.
US 63a (house of haunts) title changed (was: "His shining hour").
OS 495 (watertank money bin) Barks: story changed (shortened?)
US 13g (Gyro: lightning) Barks: HDL replaced by Morty and Ferdie.
US 14g (Guro) Barks: Donald replaced by Speedy.
OS 1184 (Gyro) 3 pages cut, somewhere in 1 or more of the 4 stories.
[Script only:]
JW 7 14-pg. script stretched to 17 pg.
JW 14 script 12 pg. -> 13 pg.
JW 17 script adjusted, Barks: last 1/2 pg. changed
JW 19 script 16 pg. -> 17 pg.
JW 22 script 16 pg. -> 15 pg.
[Gags:]
DD 51 1-page gag reduced to 1/2 page. (?)
> In the story where Donald becomes obsessed with fire, and runs around
> all over Duckburg makin fires (square fires, round fires etc. :)), I believe
> there was inserted a badly drawn panel in the end, where Donald wakes
> up in bed. Making the entire story a bad dream.
I think changes like this should go in another list, because they were made
BEFORE the story was published the first time. I made a list of changes like
this, long ago, and you can find it and the end of this mail. I just translated
it from Dutch into (bad) English.
The list is not quite complete: I didn't list small textual changes (e.g. in
Barks' Junior Woodchuck stories); I removed covers and non-Barks stories from
the list.
Data is from Michael Barrier's "Carl Barks and the art of the comic book", and
from The Carl Barks Library (which I don't have: Daniel van Eijmeren gave me
the info).
Description of changes is very short. The list was meant for quick reference,
not as an extensive description list of all the changes.
See if you like it.
--Harry.
CHANGES IN BARKS COMIC STORIES BEFORE FIRST PUBLICATION
Changes are made either by the editor or by Barks himself. In the latter case,
the change is preceded by "Barks:".
[Stories:]
WDC 42 (kite weather) layout 10 x 3 rows -> 7 x 4 rows.
WDC 63 last panel: halos added (?)
WDC 147 row 2, 3 and 4 of pg. 1 lowered.
WDC 157 Barks: final 3 panels changed into dream ending.
WDC 175 (taffy) Barks: changed after inking
WDC 247 (the madcap mariner) 1 page deleted.
WDC 249 (stranger than fiction) 1 page deleted.
WDC 259 (jungle bungle) Barks: splash panel (and probably panel 2)
changed.
OS 108c (the firebug) final two panels replaced by non-Barks.
OS 203a (the golden christmas tree) text changed on final page (panels
2 - 5).
Barks: some redrawn (half) pages between pg. 10 and 18.
OS 238a (voodoo hoodoo) Bombies eyelids added.
+ textual changes "dead" -> "done for"
DD 26a (trick or treat) 8 pages removed.
Barks: splash panel (1/2 page) replaced by 1 1/2 new pages.
DD 45 (dog catcher) 8 panels removed, row 3 and 4 on page 5 are
in wrong order.
DD 138 (a day in a duck's life) 14-pg script reduced to 13 pg.
OS 456a (back to the klondike) 5 pages removed.
US 8a (petrifying ray) Barks: story changed after inking parts.
US 12a (the golden fleecing) 1 panel removed on pg. 31; layout pg.
31 and 32 messed up.
Barks: 2 panels redrawn. Text changes: 'Harpies' -> 'Larkies'.
US 13a (land beneath the ground) Barks: shortened 32 -> 28 pg.
US 22a (the golden river) Barks: 1 1/8 pg. replaced.
US 32a (that's no fable) Barks: 2 panels replaced after inking.
US 34a (mythtic mystery) 2 pages cut.
US 50a (rug riders in the sky) 1 page cut.
US 51a (how green was my lettuce) 2 pages cut.
US 63a (house of haunts) title changed (was: "His shining hour").
OS 495 (watertank money bin) Barks: story changed (shortened?)
US 13g (Gyro: lightning) Barks: HDL replaced by Morty and Ferdie.
US 14g (Guro) Barks: Donald replaced by Speedy.
OS 1184 (Gyro) 3 pages cut, somewhere in 1 or more of the 4 stories.
[Script only:]
JW 7 14-pg. script stretched to 17 pg.
JW 14 script 12 pg. -> 13 pg.
JW 17 script adjusted, Barks: last 1/2 pg. changed
JW 19 script 16 pg. -> 17 pg.
JW 22 script 16 pg. -> 15 pg.
[Gags:]
DD 51 1-page gag reduced to 1/2 page. (?)
Harry Fluks
Life of Scrooge part 3
Message 150 -
1993-11-24 at 19:37:56
Several people keep talking about
> that "guy" in Lo$ part 3
I'm beginning to feel very dumb... I have read part 3 several times and I
don't recognize the man (remember: part 3 was the _first_ LO$ story they
printed in Holland).
Can someone tell me (in private mail; NOT to the list) WHO this man is?
--Harry.
> that "guy" in Lo$ part 3
I'm beginning to feel very dumb... I have read part 3 several times and I
don't recognize the man (remember: part 3 was the _first_ LO$ story they
printed in Holland).
Can someone tell me (in private mail; NOT to the list) WHO this man is?
--Harry.