mark semich relates:
> I'm not sure if this is the same story, but I seem to remember seeing
> Gladstone also reading a "Pluto" comic and others as well, but *no*
> comics with any ducks in them. Which could actually lead to the
> argument that in Don's Duckburg universe, Mickey doesn't exist at all,
> he's merely a comic-book character.
>
What about Super Snooper? He's a duck's super hero. Apparently a long-lasting
and popular one...
One thing is sure, if you can have Mickey comics, you can have Pluto
comics. Which contemporaneously implies that Duckburg is in Europe, since
you can't have Mickey and Pluto comics here in the US these days.
Charlie Ellis
cde at aplexus.jhuapl.edu
Author
Topic: 199311
(180 messages)
Charles D. Ellis
Don and Mickey
Message 16 -
1993-11-02 at 22:42:41
Torsten Wesley Adair
Comments on Geir's last post
Message 17 -
1993-11-03 at 01:06:54
On Tue, 2 Nov 1993, Per Starback wrote:
> Here's my two balonian nickels:
> Yes, Geir, comic strips and cartoons were not aimed primarily at
> children, but comic *books* were, just like Mattias said. It doesn't
> matter that they *reprinted* items originally read (perhaps mostly) by
> adults. That has been extremely common in children's literature as
> well.
Is Gulliver's Travels a children's book? Huck Finn?
> > 50 years ago they didnt have the chasm between childrens entertainment and
> > adult entertainment which you have today.
> There has been a division between entertainment for children and
> adults for several hundred years now, and I would say there's been
> such a "chasm" for over a hundred years. Certainly Disney comic books
> have always been aimed almost exclusively for children (until
> Gladstone took over). I'm not sure what you mean by saying that
> "children or adults didn't exist (almost) in Barks's formative years".
> It's like Barks's formative years was in the Middle Ages or something.
> We're talking about rather contemporary stuff here!
As far as children's literature is concerned, it wasn't until the late
Nineteenth Century that children were considered children. Before this,
they were considered to be miniture adults, and if something appealed to
them, then they read it.
I do not know the history behind Disney comics, so I do not know if they
were marketed exclusively to children. Most comic books of the Thirties
and Forties were sold and read by both adults and children. It wasn't
until the 1950's that comic books were considered "inferior literatrue".
I think it is safe to say that the Disney animators made cartoons that
made them laugh. Chuck Jones, a master animator at Warner Brothers, has
said that he and his colleagues made cartoons for themselves, not for
adults, or children, or anyone else. I would assume that Carl Barks did
the same, with some restrictions.
> > Have you [Don] ever thought of calling the girl scouts Junior
> > Woodchicks? Excuse me if the pun is bad or if it has been used
> > before, but I couldnt resist it.
> But they already have a name! They're The Littlest Chickadees.
Yeah, but in this day and age, someone at Disney will probably consider
this too sexist, and it will be changed. I like Woodchicks better, but
that is probably sexist too.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
> Here's my two balonian nickels:
> Yes, Geir, comic strips and cartoons were not aimed primarily at
> children, but comic *books* were, just like Mattias said. It doesn't
> matter that they *reprinted* items originally read (perhaps mostly) by
> adults. That has been extremely common in children's literature as
> well.
Is Gulliver's Travels a children's book? Huck Finn?
> > 50 years ago they didnt have the chasm between childrens entertainment and
> > adult entertainment which you have today.
> There has been a division between entertainment for children and
> adults for several hundred years now, and I would say there's been
> such a "chasm" for over a hundred years. Certainly Disney comic books
> have always been aimed almost exclusively for children (until
> Gladstone took over). I'm not sure what you mean by saying that
> "children or adults didn't exist (almost) in Barks's formative years".
> It's like Barks's formative years was in the Middle Ages or something.
> We're talking about rather contemporary stuff here!
As far as children's literature is concerned, it wasn't until the late
Nineteenth Century that children were considered children. Before this,
they were considered to be miniture adults, and if something appealed to
them, then they read it.
I do not know the history behind Disney comics, so I do not know if they
were marketed exclusively to children. Most comic books of the Thirties
and Forties were sold and read by both adults and children. It wasn't
until the 1950's that comic books were considered "inferior literatrue".
I think it is safe to say that the Disney animators made cartoons that
made them laugh. Chuck Jones, a master animator at Warner Brothers, has
said that he and his colleagues made cartoons for themselves, not for
adults, or children, or anyone else. I would assume that Carl Barks did
the same, with some restrictions.
> > Have you [Don] ever thought of calling the girl scouts Junior
> > Woodchicks? Excuse me if the pun is bad or if it has been used
> > before, but I couldnt resist it.
> But they already have a name! They're The Littlest Chickadees.
Yeah, but in this day and age, someone at Disney will probably consider
this too sexist, and it will be changed. I like Woodchicks better, but
that is probably sexist too.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
Torsten Wesley Adair
Sudden drop in activity. Imminent death of net predicted.
Message 18 -
1993-11-03 at 01:17:36
On Tue, 2 Nov 1993, Per Starback wrote:
> David Gerstein:
> > Well, that's all for now. Sudden drop in the activity in
> >these digests, and just *why* is to me, unknown.
> Mark Semich:
> > Probably because Don Rosa is out of town :-)
> And Harry Fluks. And I've been pretty busy elsewhere. There's no
> surprise that shows, because that's some of the most frequent posters
> here. In October there were 214 messages, most of which came from
> 6. Torsten Adair 15
Only 15? Geez, looks like I'll have to fix that...
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
> David Gerstein:
> > Well, that's all for now. Sudden drop in the activity in
> >these digests, and just *why* is to me, unknown.
> Mark Semich:
> > Probably because Don Rosa is out of town :-)
> And Harry Fluks. And I've been pretty busy elsewhere. There's no
> surprise that shows, because that's some of the most frequent posters
> here. In October there were 214 messages, most of which came from
> 6. Torsten Adair 15
Only 15? Geez, looks like I'll have to fix that...
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
3Com/Unix Mail Gateway
Disney-comics digest #146.
Message 19 -
1993-11-03 at 02:32:12
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Harry Fluks
I'm back...
Message 20 -
1993-11-03 at 18:51:05
Hi everyone,
I'm back from Texas!
Boy, what a lot of messages to read! And some people are even complaining
there's too little traffic! It took me a whole evening to read it all
an another one to write this reply-message!
I will put my comments of the last 3 weeks in one big message. So Torsten:
try to find the 50% you're interested in! 8-)
(Note: there are more than 200 lines to follow)
My comics collection
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I bought some USA comics in various Texas cities. I even couldn't resist
buying some comics solely because of their Rosa covers. And I bought Uncle
Scrooge #116, which reprints the only non-Barks story Rosa based a Life
of Scrooge fact on: the 'shoe shining' story from U$ 50 by Tony Strobl.
I got Gladstone's DD Adventures 23 with a Disney Comics label ("distributed
by Marvel"). It is quite strange to see in an answer to a letter: "Hope
you like our new 'G' logo, Ron!", while the 'G' logo does not appear on
or in the comic at all.
Dutch albums and magazines
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You talked about the German "Barks Library", which is in fact "Die besten
Geschichten mit [not: von] Donald Duck". In Holland, a similar album series
is issued since 1975, containing only Barks stories. They reached album #77
now, and as an extra this one contained a poster of the Barks painting
"Return to Morgan's Island".
Besides this, an "Uncle Scrooge" album series was issued. Numbers 1-30
contained Barks stories only, after that they didn't contain Barks at
all, except in #50, where the Barks/Rosa "Pied Piper of Duckburg" was
reprinted. It is quite likely that future editions of this U$ series will
contain Rosa stories, though the chance that an album will contain ONLY
Rosa stories is almost nil.
The 43th issue of the Weekly Donald Duck this year contained a very funny
story drawn by Ben Verhagen. Also, it had a 3-D album as a bonus. It was
a copy of Disney's 3-D comic, but it only contained one Van Horn story.
(Fredrik, for [y]our index: that's AR 152.)
Jippes
~~~~~~
The American artist of Dutch origin, Daan Jippes, has left the Disney
Studios. He is now the head of the Story Department of "Amblimation",
Steven Spielberg's animation company. I guess that gives him too little
time to re-ink more Barks Junior Woodchuck stories...
(And Geir says they are "SIMPLY inking of Barkses scripts". WHAAH!)
Tsamjah Phee
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Just before I left, I put a quote from "Return To Xanadu" in my signature,
misspelling Tsamjah Phee. Gosh, I never knew that was another word joke!
I just thought it was some real Asian name. Don: what a strange person
you are! 8-)
BTW: the Dutch translation was Tsjamjah Phee. The 'tsj' is the Dutch
transliteration of the 'ch'-sound like in 'church'. I think they missed the
Jaffee reference too.
Translations in Dutch
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wilmer asked how word puns are translated in non-English countries. In
Dutch, most of the things Per said about Swedish, and what David said
about German, is true. In the 50s and 60s the stories were translated
(from German) by a lady from an other magazine who did it as a side job.
From 1973 on, when Jippes and Thom Roep joined the Dutch editors, the
Barks stories were faithfully translated. Sometimes the result is even
funnier than the original. In 1983, someone decided that the Disney comics
should be for younger children. This meant that the lettering and translations
changed: bigger letters, smaller sentences. Happily, this thing ended in
1985, when the letters were normal-sized again. And a lucky circumstance is
that they reprinted very few Barks stories in 1983 and 1984.
When a story is made in Holland, no effort is done to make puns
translatable into other languages. They only make the stories for themselves,
and don't have a language problem like Egmont has (I think that's also
the reason why they throw away English scripts).
In the Dutch translation of "The Lemming with the Locket", the words Nordost
and Gjetost were still there: untranslated. I remember I guessed that "ost"
would mean "cheese" (because of Gjetost), and that "Nordost" must have been
a joke...
Indexes
~~~~~~~
Andy asked about the Gladstone Barks index we once had on ftp. I put all the
information in the 'gladstone.index' file. It can easily be derived from
that file by using a 'grep' command on a unix system or a 'find' on a DOS-PC.
(Well, it's easy if you know how to do it...)
Also, David: I don't think a H-code list or a D-code list from Gladstone
and or Disney Comics would give more information than we already have.
(Just like Ole's AR-index on ftp.) We once had a Gladstone H-coded list,
which became superfluous when we made a list of ALL the Gladstone contents.
If we change the index formats to make a D-index, H-index etc. it can best
be done by taking the existing lists (including my Dutch list, for example),
and re-arrange the information.
I agree that Gladstone and Disney Comics could best be put in one single index
file. And it's time to list the "new" Gladstones as well.
I'll come back to the index subjects later.
Rosa Index
~~~~~~~~~~
Ole found the new version of the Rosa list "a little messy. The numbering
is a bad idea!". I introduced the numbering solely because it would make
the index less messy: there can be more than one line for a story now and
the number sort of indicates the lines belong together. I don't like to have
to mention all those different versions of the stories, but since they ARE
different, what else can we do than list them? I'm open for suggestions
for a better lay-out...
I'm sorry I missed those two Life Of Scrooge codes. They'll have to be
added. But you didn't provide the code of the Guardians story, that's why
I "forgot" that one.
Marco Rota
~~~~~~~~~~
Ole already pointed out that the story in Gladstone's DDA 23 (coded D 5393)
is in fact the same story as I 277-A, the one I called "geroosterd vlees als
redding".
They deleted a lot, and the most annoying is that they changed the page
layouts: Rota made a lot of panels with rounded sides, or slightly higher or
lower than 1/4 of the page height, et cetera. Gladstone all edited it down
to a very dull lay-out. And the Dutch title ("Saved by the meal" or so)
actually refers to one of the deleted parts: Andold and co. won the fight
because the Vikings interrupted their fight to have dinner!
I can imagine why Gladstone made the cuts (the story was too long, and not
interesting enough to fill TWO issues), but that doesn't mean I like it.
Per suggested the story has a Danish code because Egmont reworked it.
That may be an answer to an observation I did in the ftp-file 'story-codes'
about Danish codes:
> A peculiarity: all known codes between D 5274 and D 10166 are _even_.
Maybe the _odd_ numbers (like D 5393) were reserved for re-workings of
foreign stories?
Benny Donkey and Hugo Hound
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
David said in his letter from October 18, that Harvey comics retranslated
some Barks MGM stories from the Dutch. This can't be, because the stories
never appeared in Dutch. I thought we figured out that the "original"
could be either French or German.
An article in The Duckburg Times #21 about slang
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark, give us some of that, at least the part where BopBop is explained!
And I'm also interested in a copy of the articles in the CBG.
Sweden is mentioned in a Barks story
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As says Per, but I don't know which one (and I would like to know). I _do_
know two stories with references to the Dutch though...
Duck nudity
~~~~~~~~~~~
David mentions the story from WDC&S 86, where Donald is a fireman. On one
panel, he only wears a helmet. That page (page 3) was in fact deleted from
the Dutch reprint in the very first Dutch DD Weekly (#1, 1952). The reason
for that was that they needed extra space for a contest and the page could
be deleted without disturbing the story too much. But in the 70s, some
people suggested that the page was deleted because of the nude Donald! They
forgot that Donald can be seen even "nuder" (without helmet) a few pages
later...
Donald has been naked in several Dutch stories in the 80s. Not only in his
bedroom or when swimming, but also running through the streets of Duckburg!
Dell's Donald Duck #41
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark said he bought this issue and found the both stories "atrocious".
All the interior was drawn by Tony Strobl and the cover was by Paul Murry
(according to Kjell Crone's index). In fact, I know the Dutch version of the
lead story and I quite like it.
Donald and sex
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The article with the interview of Geir Hasnes was translated by Even Flood,
he said because "we felt the subject was of general interest to a larger
audience"! How may Norwegian "Dagbladet" readers are there? And how many
members do you think are on this list? 8-)
Jack Kirby
~~~~~~~~~~
Mark asked why he is in the 'creators' file. Well, in fact, that
file also covers the creators in the "classics" index. The Classic stories
were newspaper stories, often reprinted in One Shots and other comics.
In 1980, Kirby did the pencils of "The Black Hole" (story Fallberg,
inks Royer). That's the only Kirby entry though.
Re-reprinting European stories
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
David objected to this, because there is little room, and he prefers
new stories. In fact, I prefer new stories too, but:
1. I prefer new stories to reprints
2. I prefer Milton/Jippes reprints to Barks (re)reprints.
All I was saying in the first place was that the Milton/Jippes stories
from the early Gladstone comics deserve a reprint in better colours, on
better quality paper. Maybe in an album or so... That's much better than the
20th reprint of a Barks story in the comics...
Mau Heymans (minor spoiler)
~~~~~~~~~~~
David said he has a great story by Mau Heymans "whose style is wonderful" and
that I would back that up. OK: his drawing style is very good. Unfortunately,
they give him very slow scripts of too long stories a lot. But the short
stories he does (4-5 pages) are very good. I think Ole can confirm that.
David, the story you refer to is planned for the DD birthday issue, so I
think you're talking about the story where Donald is chosen to be a "Mister
Duckburg" (or whatever). That story was made for issue #2000 of the
weekly DD (apparently, Holland started a bit earlier than Italy). It contains
several 1-page panels (or 1-panel pages). One such a panel shows a big
dinner with various characters from a lot of Barks stories. It was fun to
try to recognise all the characters and the stories they appeared in!
I think the story will have to be cut and partly rewritten for a Gladstone
publication.
BTW: issue '2000' was in fact issue number 1999. They made a mistake.
(But of course, Don Rosa already knew they couldn't count: they count like
this: 3, 1, 2.... 8-)
Mouse removal project
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Torsten asked about stories dealing with rats, mice, or exterminators. What
about Barks/Rosa's "Pied Piper" story?
That's all for now! Nice to be back.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (NL) (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
I'm back from Texas!
Boy, what a lot of messages to read! And some people are even complaining
there's too little traffic! It took me a whole evening to read it all
an another one to write this reply-message!
I will put my comments of the last 3 weeks in one big message. So Torsten:
try to find the 50% you're interested in! 8-)
(Note: there are more than 200 lines to follow)
My comics collection
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I bought some USA comics in various Texas cities. I even couldn't resist
buying some comics solely because of their Rosa covers. And I bought Uncle
Scrooge #116, which reprints the only non-Barks story Rosa based a Life
of Scrooge fact on: the 'shoe shining' story from U$ 50 by Tony Strobl.
I got Gladstone's DD Adventures 23 with a Disney Comics label ("distributed
by Marvel"). It is quite strange to see in an answer to a letter: "Hope
you like our new 'G' logo, Ron!", while the 'G' logo does not appear on
or in the comic at all.
Dutch albums and magazines
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You talked about the German "Barks Library", which is in fact "Die besten
Geschichten mit [not: von] Donald Duck". In Holland, a similar album series
is issued since 1975, containing only Barks stories. They reached album #77
now, and as an extra this one contained a poster of the Barks painting
"Return to Morgan's Island".
Besides this, an "Uncle Scrooge" album series was issued. Numbers 1-30
contained Barks stories only, after that they didn't contain Barks at
all, except in #50, where the Barks/Rosa "Pied Piper of Duckburg" was
reprinted. It is quite likely that future editions of this U$ series will
contain Rosa stories, though the chance that an album will contain ONLY
Rosa stories is almost nil.
The 43th issue of the Weekly Donald Duck this year contained a very funny
story drawn by Ben Verhagen. Also, it had a 3-D album as a bonus. It was
a copy of Disney's 3-D comic, but it only contained one Van Horn story.
(Fredrik, for [y]our index: that's AR 152.)
Jippes
~~~~~~
The American artist of Dutch origin, Daan Jippes, has left the Disney
Studios. He is now the head of the Story Department of "Amblimation",
Steven Spielberg's animation company. I guess that gives him too little
time to re-ink more Barks Junior Woodchuck stories...
(And Geir says they are "SIMPLY inking of Barkses scripts". WHAAH!)
Tsamjah Phee
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Just before I left, I put a quote from "Return To Xanadu" in my signature,
misspelling Tsamjah Phee. Gosh, I never knew that was another word joke!
I just thought it was some real Asian name. Don: what a strange person
you are! 8-)
BTW: the Dutch translation was Tsjamjah Phee. The 'tsj' is the Dutch
transliteration of the 'ch'-sound like in 'church'. I think they missed the
Jaffee reference too.
Translations in Dutch
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wilmer asked how word puns are translated in non-English countries. In
Dutch, most of the things Per said about Swedish, and what David said
about German, is true. In the 50s and 60s the stories were translated
(from German) by a lady from an other magazine who did it as a side job.
From 1973 on, when Jippes and Thom Roep joined the Dutch editors, the
Barks stories were faithfully translated. Sometimes the result is even
funnier than the original. In 1983, someone decided that the Disney comics
should be for younger children. This meant that the lettering and translations
changed: bigger letters, smaller sentences. Happily, this thing ended in
1985, when the letters were normal-sized again. And a lucky circumstance is
that they reprinted very few Barks stories in 1983 and 1984.
When a story is made in Holland, no effort is done to make puns
translatable into other languages. They only make the stories for themselves,
and don't have a language problem like Egmont has (I think that's also
the reason why they throw away English scripts).
In the Dutch translation of "The Lemming with the Locket", the words Nordost
and Gjetost were still there: untranslated. I remember I guessed that "ost"
would mean "cheese" (because of Gjetost), and that "Nordost" must have been
a joke...
Indexes
~~~~~~~
Andy asked about the Gladstone Barks index we once had on ftp. I put all the
information in the 'gladstone.index' file. It can easily be derived from
that file by using a 'grep' command on a unix system or a 'find' on a DOS-PC.
(Well, it's easy if you know how to do it...)
Also, David: I don't think a H-code list or a D-code list from Gladstone
and or Disney Comics would give more information than we already have.
(Just like Ole's AR-index on ftp.) We once had a Gladstone H-coded list,
which became superfluous when we made a list of ALL the Gladstone contents.
If we change the index formats to make a D-index, H-index etc. it can best
be done by taking the existing lists (including my Dutch list, for example),
and re-arrange the information.
I agree that Gladstone and Disney Comics could best be put in one single index
file. And it's time to list the "new" Gladstones as well.
I'll come back to the index subjects later.
Rosa Index
~~~~~~~~~~
Ole found the new version of the Rosa list "a little messy. The numbering
is a bad idea!". I introduced the numbering solely because it would make
the index less messy: there can be more than one line for a story now and
the number sort of indicates the lines belong together. I don't like to have
to mention all those different versions of the stories, but since they ARE
different, what else can we do than list them? I'm open for suggestions
for a better lay-out...
I'm sorry I missed those two Life Of Scrooge codes. They'll have to be
added. But you didn't provide the code of the Guardians story, that's why
I "forgot" that one.
Marco Rota
~~~~~~~~~~
Ole already pointed out that the story in Gladstone's DDA 23 (coded D 5393)
is in fact the same story as I 277-A, the one I called "geroosterd vlees als
redding".
They deleted a lot, and the most annoying is that they changed the page
layouts: Rota made a lot of panels with rounded sides, or slightly higher or
lower than 1/4 of the page height, et cetera. Gladstone all edited it down
to a very dull lay-out. And the Dutch title ("Saved by the meal" or so)
actually refers to one of the deleted parts: Andold and co. won the fight
because the Vikings interrupted their fight to have dinner!
I can imagine why Gladstone made the cuts (the story was too long, and not
interesting enough to fill TWO issues), but that doesn't mean I like it.
Per suggested the story has a Danish code because Egmont reworked it.
That may be an answer to an observation I did in the ftp-file 'story-codes'
about Danish codes:
> A peculiarity: all known codes between D 5274 and D 10166 are _even_.
Maybe the _odd_ numbers (like D 5393) were reserved for re-workings of
foreign stories?
Benny Donkey and Hugo Hound
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
David said in his letter from October 18, that Harvey comics retranslated
some Barks MGM stories from the Dutch. This can't be, because the stories
never appeared in Dutch. I thought we figured out that the "original"
could be either French or German.
An article in The Duckburg Times #21 about slang
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark, give us some of that, at least the part where BopBop is explained!
And I'm also interested in a copy of the articles in the CBG.
Sweden is mentioned in a Barks story
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As says Per, but I don't know which one (and I would like to know). I _do_
know two stories with references to the Dutch though...
Duck nudity
~~~~~~~~~~~
David mentions the story from WDC&S 86, where Donald is a fireman. On one
panel, he only wears a helmet. That page (page 3) was in fact deleted from
the Dutch reprint in the very first Dutch DD Weekly (#1, 1952). The reason
for that was that they needed extra space for a contest and the page could
be deleted without disturbing the story too much. But in the 70s, some
people suggested that the page was deleted because of the nude Donald! They
forgot that Donald can be seen even "nuder" (without helmet) a few pages
later...
Donald has been naked in several Dutch stories in the 80s. Not only in his
bedroom or when swimming, but also running through the streets of Duckburg!
Dell's Donald Duck #41
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark said he bought this issue and found the both stories "atrocious".
All the interior was drawn by Tony Strobl and the cover was by Paul Murry
(according to Kjell Crone's index). In fact, I know the Dutch version of the
lead story and I quite like it.
Donald and sex
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The article with the interview of Geir Hasnes was translated by Even Flood,
he said because "we felt the subject was of general interest to a larger
audience"! How may Norwegian "Dagbladet" readers are there? And how many
members do you think are on this list? 8-)
Jack Kirby
~~~~~~~~~~
Mark asked why he is in the 'creators' file. Well, in fact, that
file also covers the creators in the "classics" index. The Classic stories
were newspaper stories, often reprinted in One Shots and other comics.
In 1980, Kirby did the pencils of "The Black Hole" (story Fallberg,
inks Royer). That's the only Kirby entry though.
Re-reprinting European stories
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
David objected to this, because there is little room, and he prefers
new stories. In fact, I prefer new stories too, but:
1. I prefer new stories to reprints
2. I prefer Milton/Jippes reprints to Barks (re)reprints.
All I was saying in the first place was that the Milton/Jippes stories
from the early Gladstone comics deserve a reprint in better colours, on
better quality paper. Maybe in an album or so... That's much better than the
20th reprint of a Barks story in the comics...
Mau Heymans (minor spoiler)
~~~~~~~~~~~
David said he has a great story by Mau Heymans "whose style is wonderful" and
that I would back that up. OK: his drawing style is very good. Unfortunately,
they give him very slow scripts of too long stories a lot. But the short
stories he does (4-5 pages) are very good. I think Ole can confirm that.
David, the story you refer to is planned for the DD birthday issue, so I
think you're talking about the story where Donald is chosen to be a "Mister
Duckburg" (or whatever). That story was made for issue #2000 of the
weekly DD (apparently, Holland started a bit earlier than Italy). It contains
several 1-page panels (or 1-panel pages). One such a panel shows a big
dinner with various characters from a lot of Barks stories. It was fun to
try to recognise all the characters and the stories they appeared in!
I think the story will have to be cut and partly rewritten for a Gladstone
publication.
BTW: issue '2000' was in fact issue number 1999. They made a mistake.
(But of course, Don Rosa already knew they couldn't count: they count like
this: 3, 1, 2.... 8-)
Mouse removal project
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Torsten asked about stories dealing with rats, mice, or exterminators. What
about Barks/Rosa's "Pied Piper" story?
That's all for now! Nice to be back.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (NL) (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
Per Starback
Even Flood : I'm back...
Message 21 -
1993-11-04 at 14:32:02
[This is really from Even Flood:]
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 08:40:40 +0200 (METDST)
From: Even Flood <flood at due.unit.no>
Subject: Re: I'm back...
>The article with the interview of Geir Hasnes was translated by Even Flood,
>he said because "we felt the subject was of general interest to a larger
>audience"! How may Norwegian "Dagbladet" readers are there? And how many
>members do you think are on this list? 8-)
The word large was perhaps unfortunate. I was of course
referring to the level of intelligence, sophistication and
general wisdom and knowledge!. :-)
Even
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 08:40:40 +0200 (METDST)
From: Even Flood <flood at due.unit.no>
Subject: Re: I'm back...
>The article with the interview of Geir Hasnes was translated by Even Flood,
>he said because "we felt the subject was of general interest to a larger
>audience"! How may Norwegian "Dagbladet" readers are there? And how many
>members do you think are on this list? 8-)
The word large was perhaps unfortunate. I was of course
referring to the level of intelligence, sophistication and
general wisdom and knowledge!. :-)
Even
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David A Gerstein
Disney-comics digest #147.
Message 22 -
1993-11-04 at 22:02:03
Hi, Folks!
Glad to have you back, Harry! Quite a lot has gone on while
you were away, no?
You said:
"The 43th issue of the Weekly Donald Duck this year contained
a very funny story drawn by Ben Verhagen. Also, it had a 3-D album as
a bonus. It was a copy of Disney's 3-D comic, but it only contained
one Van Horn story."
First, do you have any more information on that Verhagen
story? Then... DISNEY'S COMICS IN 3-D #1 only had *one* Van Horn
story, that being the story "The Billion Bean Stampede." There was
one reprint apiece from Van Horn, Rosa, and Gottfredson, and the only
artist to have *two* stories in the book was -- predictably -- Carl
Barks. (The two stories were "Rocket Wing Saves the Day" and "Knights
of the Flying Sleds").
The Heymans Birthday story I'm doing is not the one you mentioned,
although I actually would really like to do that one as well... The
story I'm dealing with is about Gladstone and Daisy secretly planning
a birthday surprise for Donald, who believes they're planning
*marriage* and sets out to sabotage the blessed event. I discovered
it in one of the Dutch issues you sent me, thank you very much!
The reason we will always see re-re-re-re-re-reprinted Barks
stories as opposed to reprinted Dutch stories is that aside from Don
Rosa *no* Duck artist's sales compare remotely to Barks stories in this
country, as long as they aren't Barks stories which were in earlier
Gladstone or Disney comics. Albums *don't count*. We should expect to
see nearly *all* the Barks stories that were in the 1986-1990
Gladstone Albums used again in the comics over the next two years or
so... Of course, Gladstone will give a fair shake to foreign stories
that *haven't* appeared here before, but it is believed that reprints
of those would sell very poorly.
As for puns in Dutch stories, the upcoming Dutch story "The
Hoard at the Rainbow's End" provided me with a lot that were just
untranslatable, most of them on the sides of rare coin banks in
Scrooge's collection. I substituted my own in a few spots, but others
I just had to delete as I knew no way to put them into English.
Still: I think that "Rainbow's End" is one of my best dialogs
and I hope you'll give it a fair trial, folks, even if you don't like
my first one, "Bugged by Humbug"; looking at it now, I find the
dialog on the first and seventh pages rather stilted...
Well, that's all for now, folks.
Your friend,
David Gerstein
"A flire! A frier! I must shave the women and children!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Glad to have you back, Harry! Quite a lot has gone on while
you were away, no?
You said:
"The 43th issue of the Weekly Donald Duck this year contained
a very funny story drawn by Ben Verhagen. Also, it had a 3-D album as
a bonus. It was a copy of Disney's 3-D comic, but it only contained
one Van Horn story."
First, do you have any more information on that Verhagen
story? Then... DISNEY'S COMICS IN 3-D #1 only had *one* Van Horn
story, that being the story "The Billion Bean Stampede." There was
one reprint apiece from Van Horn, Rosa, and Gottfredson, and the only
artist to have *two* stories in the book was -- predictably -- Carl
Barks. (The two stories were "Rocket Wing Saves the Day" and "Knights
of the Flying Sleds").
The Heymans Birthday story I'm doing is not the one you mentioned,
although I actually would really like to do that one as well... The
story I'm dealing with is about Gladstone and Daisy secretly planning
a birthday surprise for Donald, who believes they're planning
*marriage* and sets out to sabotage the blessed event. I discovered
it in one of the Dutch issues you sent me, thank you very much!
The reason we will always see re-re-re-re-re-reprinted Barks
stories as opposed to reprinted Dutch stories is that aside from Don
Rosa *no* Duck artist's sales compare remotely to Barks stories in this
country, as long as they aren't Barks stories which were in earlier
Gladstone or Disney comics. Albums *don't count*. We should expect to
see nearly *all* the Barks stories that were in the 1986-1990
Gladstone Albums used again in the comics over the next two years or
so... Of course, Gladstone will give a fair shake to foreign stories
that *haven't* appeared here before, but it is believed that reprints
of those would sell very poorly.
As for puns in Dutch stories, the upcoming Dutch story "The
Hoard at the Rainbow's End" provided me with a lot that were just
untranslatable, most of them on the sides of rare coin banks in
Scrooge's collection. I substituted my own in a few spots, but others
I just had to delete as I knew no way to put them into English.
Still: I think that "Rainbow's End" is one of my best dialogs
and I hope you'll give it a fair trial, folks, even if you don't like
my first one, "Bugged by Humbug"; looking at it now, I find the
dialog on the first and seventh pages rather stilted...
Well, that's all for now, folks.
Your friend,
David Gerstein
"A flire! A frier! I must shave the women and children!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Mattias Hallin
$crooge in Sweden
Message 23 -
1993-11-05 at 10:40:33
Someone, I think Harry Fluks, asked about $crooge's visit to Sweden in a Barks
comic; it's in "King Solomon's Mines", where $crooge on his world tour to
inspect his businesses also spends an entire panel's worth of time in Sweden to
"Inspect his glassware factories". Which does indeed make sense - Sweden IS
fairly well known for high quality glass ware, not least so among American
tourists!
In the Swedish translation (Where "Farbror Joakim" is supposed to live in
Sweden in the first place already), the translator has him visit the Swedish
region "Sm}land" instead, which actually from that perspective makes equal
sense, since Sm}land is one of the major centers of Swedish glass production,
since the 18th century even.
Mattias Hallin
comic; it's in "King Solomon's Mines", where $crooge on his world tour to
inspect his businesses also spends an entire panel's worth of time in Sweden to
"Inspect his glassware factories". Which does indeed make sense - Sweden IS
fairly well known for high quality glass ware, not least so among American
tourists!
In the Swedish translation (Where "Farbror Joakim" is supposed to live in
Sweden in the first place already), the translator has him visit the Swedish
region "Sm}land" instead, which actually from that perspective makes equal
sense, since Sm}land is one of the major centers of Swedish glass production,
since the 18th century even.
Mattias Hallin
Harry Fluks
Answers to David about Dutch comics
Message 24 -
1993-11-05 at 22:51:56
me> "The 43th issue of the Weekly Donald Duck this year contained
me> a very funny story drawn by Ben Verhagen. Also, it had a 3-D album as
me> a bonus. It was a copy of Disney's 3-D comic, but it only contained
me> one Van Horn story."
David:
> First, do you have any more information on that Verhagen
> story?
Yes. 8-)
> Then... DISNEY'S COMICS IN 3-D #1 only had *one* Van Horn
> story, that being the story "The Billion Bean Stampede."
I meant to say "it only contained THE Van Horn story". The Rosa and Barks
stories were not reprinted.
> As for puns in Dutch stories, the upcoming Dutch story "The
> Hoard at the Rainbow's End" provided me with a lot that were just
> untranslatable, most of them on the sides of rare coin banks in
> Scrooge's collection. I substituted my own in a few spots, but others
> I just had to delete as I knew no way to put them into English.
If you want any help with Dutch translations in the future, just ask me!
--Harry.
me> a very funny story drawn by Ben Verhagen. Also, it had a 3-D album as
me> a bonus. It was a copy of Disney's 3-D comic, but it only contained
me> one Van Horn story."
David:
> First, do you have any more information on that Verhagen
> story?
Yes. 8-)
> Then... DISNEY'S COMICS IN 3-D #1 only had *one* Van Horn
> story, that being the story "The Billion Bean Stampede."
I meant to say "it only contained THE Van Horn story". The Rosa and Barks
stories were not reprinted.
> As for puns in Dutch stories, the upcoming Dutch story "The
> Hoard at the Rainbow's End" provided me with a lot that were just
> untranslatable, most of them on the sides of rare coin banks in
> Scrooge's collection. I substituted my own in a few spots, but others
> I just had to delete as I knew no way to put them into English.
If you want any help with Dutch translations in the future, just ask me!
--Harry.
Don Rosa
+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #144.
Message 25 -
1993-11-07 at 19:19:56
Well, I have lots of digests to read here. Should I read them
all then post one BIG comment... or lotsa little ones? I guess I'll do
lots of lil' ones since that will help me avoid taking notes or
forgetting something.
COMMENTS TO #144:
DG asks about the cover I say I'm doing for the Gladstone use of
the Lo$ (that will hereafter be my designation for "The Life and Times
of $crooge McDuck") and the German use. The German albums, BEING albums,
will use 2 or 3 chapters of Lo$ in each issue... and I don't know what
they'll fancy as a cover scene. For instance, for part two they
requested a scene of a poker game on board a riverboat; well, there IS a
poker game in that chapter but it doesn't take place on a riverboat --
and even if it DID, how could you tell it was on board a boat or in a
saloon or...? Anyway, that gives you an idea of how we sometimes need to
talk sense into editorial heads. They took my suggestion for a scene...
which was an almost exact copy (in my style) of the Dutch cover to that
story. (Why should I worry about stealing other peoples' ideas when, as
Disney stories, my work has a sign on it saying "open season on free
use"?) That German album will also contain part 1 (the riverboat stuff
being in part 2). I'll only be doing one cover based on part 1, but,
yes, there will be a Gladstone cover based on that riverboat chapter
also. Now, normally, Gladstone could just have free useage of my German
cover... but the Germans won't be publishing until around April or so
(it's probably not yet set) and Gladstone will need a cover BEFORE that.
Since they cannot use the German cover before the Germans do, I need to
do ANOTHER version for Gladstone which will be the EXACT same scene. Why
not? I try to pick the best scene in the story for the cover, so why do
a bad cover for Gladstone instead of the same good scene? I'm only lucky
that I get to do the same idea twice and get paid twice, the sort of
good deal that virtually NEVER happens in this Disney stuff. Actually,
Jippes has been doing it this way for years, copying his own or other
peoples' covers for various Dutch or whatever editions, getting paid
several times for the same idea.
I have never seen the German Barks albums. I know that they
never could use Barks' name in the actual TITLE since that would mean
that they might have to pay Barks a royalty -- probably not, being in
Europe, but they MIGHT... so they put his name in the sub-title. But
now, the new post-Gare style of the Grandey managed "Carl Barks Studio"
has demanded royalties of ANY mention of Barks' name in ANY context,
something they cannot legally do, but the Europeans are deciding "screw
this" and just deleting all mention of Barks from the publications. This
is probably the main idea behind Grandey's idea of Barks' European
visit, to deal with these royalty demands. Oh, well... But that's why
Barks no longer gets credits in Germany... Barks won't allow it.
They know I'm not so cranky or greedy yet, so they know they can
exploit me for a few more years.
And no, you won't see ads for the German albums in the German
comics since those are two totally separate companies, not even located
in the same cities. And I'm told they don't even get along very well.
This is the usual case among Disney licensees, a situation Disney helps
to keep agitated for the same reason the ancient European kings always
wanted their feudal lords to bicker among themselves rather than ever
build up to any united front and make demands on the Empire. Think about
it.
all then post one BIG comment... or lotsa little ones? I guess I'll do
lots of lil' ones since that will help me avoid taking notes or
forgetting something.
COMMENTS TO #144:
DG asks about the cover I say I'm doing for the Gladstone use of
the Lo$ (that will hereafter be my designation for "The Life and Times
of $crooge McDuck") and the German use. The German albums, BEING albums,
will use 2 or 3 chapters of Lo$ in each issue... and I don't know what
they'll fancy as a cover scene. For instance, for part two they
requested a scene of a poker game on board a riverboat; well, there IS a
poker game in that chapter but it doesn't take place on a riverboat --
and even if it DID, how could you tell it was on board a boat or in a
saloon or...? Anyway, that gives you an idea of how we sometimes need to
talk sense into editorial heads. They took my suggestion for a scene...
which was an almost exact copy (in my style) of the Dutch cover to that
story. (Why should I worry about stealing other peoples' ideas when, as
Disney stories, my work has a sign on it saying "open season on free
use"?) That German album will also contain part 1 (the riverboat stuff
being in part 2). I'll only be doing one cover based on part 1, but,
yes, there will be a Gladstone cover based on that riverboat chapter
also. Now, normally, Gladstone could just have free useage of my German
cover... but the Germans won't be publishing until around April or so
(it's probably not yet set) and Gladstone will need a cover BEFORE that.
Since they cannot use the German cover before the Germans do, I need to
do ANOTHER version for Gladstone which will be the EXACT same scene. Why
not? I try to pick the best scene in the story for the cover, so why do
a bad cover for Gladstone instead of the same good scene? I'm only lucky
that I get to do the same idea twice and get paid twice, the sort of
good deal that virtually NEVER happens in this Disney stuff. Actually,
Jippes has been doing it this way for years, copying his own or other
peoples' covers for various Dutch or whatever editions, getting paid
several times for the same idea.
I have never seen the German Barks albums. I know that they
never could use Barks' name in the actual TITLE since that would mean
that they might have to pay Barks a royalty -- probably not, being in
Europe, but they MIGHT... so they put his name in the sub-title. But
now, the new post-Gare style of the Grandey managed "Carl Barks Studio"
has demanded royalties of ANY mention of Barks' name in ANY context,
something they cannot legally do, but the Europeans are deciding "screw
this" and just deleting all mention of Barks from the publications. This
is probably the main idea behind Grandey's idea of Barks' European
visit, to deal with these royalty demands. Oh, well... But that's why
Barks no longer gets credits in Germany... Barks won't allow it.
They know I'm not so cranky or greedy yet, so they know they can
exploit me for a few more years.
And no, you won't see ads for the German albums in the German
comics since those are two totally separate companies, not even located
in the same cities. And I'm told they don't even get along very well.
This is the usual case among Disney licensees, a situation Disney helps
to keep agitated for the same reason the ancient European kings always
wanted their feudal lords to bicker among themselves rather than ever
build up to any united front and make demands on the Empire. Think about
it.
Don Rosa
+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #146.
Message 26 -
1993-11-07 at 19:54:14
COMMENTS ON #146:
I'm trying real hard to find something to comment on here.
Mattias and Geir's discussion is great, and I completely agree with BOTH
of them. Which is to say that I don't think it would be beyond Barks,
especially considering his background and personality, to try to slip
some phallic symbols or such into his stories... but as to whether he
ever did do so on purpose will forever be only a matter for interesting
debate. It would be interesting to hear what Barks' answer to a question
about that particular instance would be -- but his answer would not be
wholly reliable. I can't recall my exact reasons for what I did in a
story 6 months ago, much less 40 years ago, but I might CLAIM I can
recall it in order to tell a questioner what either he wants to hear or
what I want him to think. An example: the scene in the Square Egg story
where the Ducks first see Plain Awful and Barks' perspective is twisted
and inaccurate. Barks has always had the story that a pesky neighbor was
talking to him while he was drawing it and distracted him. Common sense
tells you a few things in this instance: a pesky conversation can make
you make ONE or TWO errors... but to draw an entire cityscape in the
wrong perspective with the wrong vanishing points would entail literally
HUNDREDS of separate errors, one right after another. Plus, remember
that we don't work directly into INK. Even if someone DID make 756
errors while penciling a scene, he would hafta make the EXACT SAME 756
errors when he was inking what he should SEE is wrong. The truth is that
Barks started out wrong and wasn't getting paid enough or didn't want to
take the time to stop and correct it -- I know the feeling!
And Geir, if you want some Norwegian "Don Rosa" albums, you'll
need to talk to Svein Erik Soland, not me. That's his decision. I'm
ALWAYS willing to help!
I'm trying real hard to find something to comment on here.
Mattias and Geir's discussion is great, and I completely agree with BOTH
of them. Which is to say that I don't think it would be beyond Barks,
especially considering his background and personality, to try to slip
some phallic symbols or such into his stories... but as to whether he
ever did do so on purpose will forever be only a matter for interesting
debate. It would be interesting to hear what Barks' answer to a question
about that particular instance would be -- but his answer would not be
wholly reliable. I can't recall my exact reasons for what I did in a
story 6 months ago, much less 40 years ago, but I might CLAIM I can
recall it in order to tell a questioner what either he wants to hear or
what I want him to think. An example: the scene in the Square Egg story
where the Ducks first see Plain Awful and Barks' perspective is twisted
and inaccurate. Barks has always had the story that a pesky neighbor was
talking to him while he was drawing it and distracted him. Common sense
tells you a few things in this instance: a pesky conversation can make
you make ONE or TWO errors... but to draw an entire cityscape in the
wrong perspective with the wrong vanishing points would entail literally
HUNDREDS of separate errors, one right after another. Plus, remember
that we don't work directly into INK. Even if someone DID make 756
errors while penciling a scene, he would hafta make the EXACT SAME 756
errors when he was inking what he should SEE is wrong. The truth is that
Barks started out wrong and wasn't getting paid enough or didn't want to
take the time to stop and correct it -- I know the feeling!
And Geir, if you want some Norwegian "Don Rosa" albums, you'll
need to talk to Svein Erik Soland, not me. That's his decision. I'm
ALWAYS willing to help!
Per Starback
A Duck's-Eye View of Europe
Message 27 -
1993-11-07 at 21:28:26
(I have lots of old mail I'm planning to comment on, but I'll get back
to that later. For now the following will have to do:)
Geir> I just got Barkses schedule in the mail for his visit to Europe
Geir> next year. Do you want me to print it in the list or have you
Geir> all got the info some way?
me> I don't have it. I don't think NAFS(k) has it at all. John
me> Nicholson was going to send it to us, but [...]
I meant John Nichols, of course... Well, now NAFS(k) has gotten the
program as well (from Dana Gabbard I think). We're being the largest
Donaldist organization in the world an' all, you'd think someone
would have told us about it before, but...
Anyway, here is the program:
Carl Barks will take part in Walt Disney Company's official
celebration of Donald Duck's 60 year birthday. His oil paintings will
be exhibited in several galleries and museums and he will promote a
new book. (We don't know what this book is. Anyone?)
May 30--June 2 Reykjavik, Iceland.
June 3--5 Olso, Norway:
Barks will be appointed honorary professor in
literature, and gets a royal medal.
June 6--8 Bergen, Norway.
June 9--13 Copenhagen, Denmark:
Donald's 60 years on June 9th. Barks visits
the queen and the Louisiana museum.
June 14--16 Helsinki, Finland:
Barks has lunch with 200 fans, buying the
collector's edition of his new book.
June 17--20 Stockholm, Sweden:
Press conference June 19.
June 21--23 Berlin, Germany.
June 24--27 Paris, France:
Barks visits EuroDisney June 26.
June 28--July 3 Munich and Stuttgart, Germany.
July 4--13 Verona, Venice, and Milan, Italy.
July 14--19 Zurich, Switzerland.
July 20--22 Amsterdam, The Netherlands.
July 23 Barks goes home again.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Now on your left is the famous statue of---never mind!"
to that later. For now the following will have to do:)
Geir> I just got Barkses schedule in the mail for his visit to Europe
Geir> next year. Do you want me to print it in the list or have you
Geir> all got the info some way?
me> I don't have it. I don't think NAFS(k) has it at all. John
me> Nicholson was going to send it to us, but [...]
I meant John Nichols, of course... Well, now NAFS(k) has gotten the
program as well (from Dana Gabbard I think). We're being the largest
Donaldist organization in the world an' all, you'd think someone
would have told us about it before, but...
Anyway, here is the program:
Carl Barks will take part in Walt Disney Company's official
celebration of Donald Duck's 60 year birthday. His oil paintings will
be exhibited in several galleries and museums and he will promote a
new book. (We don't know what this book is. Anyone?)
May 30--June 2 Reykjavik, Iceland.
June 3--5 Olso, Norway:
Barks will be appointed honorary professor in
literature, and gets a royal medal.
June 6--8 Bergen, Norway.
June 9--13 Copenhagen, Denmark:
Donald's 60 years on June 9th. Barks visits
the queen and the Louisiana museum.
June 14--16 Helsinki, Finland:
Barks has lunch with 200 fans, buying the
collector's edition of his new book.
June 17--20 Stockholm, Sweden:
Press conference June 19.
June 21--23 Berlin, Germany.
June 24--27 Paris, France:
Barks visits EuroDisney June 26.
June 28--July 3 Munich and Stuttgart, Germany.
July 4--13 Verona, Venice, and Milan, Italy.
July 14--19 Zurich, Switzerland.
July 20--22 Amsterdam, The Netherlands.
July 23 Barks goes home again.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Now on your left is the famous statue of---never mind!"
Kesidis
Life of scrooge
Message 28 -
1993-11-08 at 00:19:11
Hello all,
Does someone know if the first installment or whatever of
Don's "Life of Scrooge" will ship before X-mas in North America?
-George
Does someone know if the first installment or whatever of
Don's "Life of Scrooge" will ship before X-mas in North America?
-George
Torsten Wesley Adair
Life of scrooge
Message 29 -
1993-11-08 at 01:04:25
On Sun, 7 Nov 1993, it was written:
> Hello all,
> Does someone know if the first installment or whatever of
> Don's "Life of Scrooge" will ship before X-mas in North America?
> -George
The November issue of Diamond Previews shows the first issue of Lo$. It
will ship in January. A picture of the cover is shown (Scrooge is a cute
child).
BTW, I will input the information this week, so please be patient.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
> Hello all,
> Does someone know if the first installment or whatever of
> Don's "Life of Scrooge" will ship before X-mas in North America?
> -George
The November issue of Diamond Previews shows the first issue of Lo$. It
will ship in January. A picture of the cover is shown (Scrooge is a cute
child).
BTW, I will input the information this week, so please be patient.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
Torsten Wesley Adair
Christmas Parade #8 (1957)
Message 30 -
1993-11-08 at 01:06:53
Recently, my local comic book store bought a nice selection of older Dell
Disney comic books. Since I had some money to spare this week, I bought a
copy of Disney's Christmas Parade #8 (the cover shows the rear of Santa's
sleigh, with Santa Clause, Goofy, Mickey, Donald, and some other's all
waving to the "camera". The back page shows Santa filling stockings.
Has this issue been indexed?
This issue, without any ads whatsoever, cost a paltry twenty-five cents
American, and was eighty pages or so. Nowadays, it would probably cost $3.50.
It was all comics stories, with some puzzle pages, but no text pieces.
Characters include: Our Favorite Ducks vs. The Beagle Boys
Clarabelle and Minnie
Chip and Dale (sorry, Don)
Mickey and Goofy
Jiminy Cricket, Thumper, and the Seven Dwarves (!!)
Big and L'il Bad Wolf and the Three Pigs
I was trying to figure out the difference between Chip and Dale. The only
difference I could see was that one has a red nose. Do chipmunks have red
noses, or is it something else?
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
Disney comic books. Since I had some money to spare this week, I bought a
copy of Disney's Christmas Parade #8 (the cover shows the rear of Santa's
sleigh, with Santa Clause, Goofy, Mickey, Donald, and some other's all
waving to the "camera". The back page shows Santa filling stockings.
Has this issue been indexed?
This issue, without any ads whatsoever, cost a paltry twenty-five cents
American, and was eighty pages or so. Nowadays, it would probably cost $3.50.
It was all comics stories, with some puzzle pages, but no text pieces.
Characters include: Our Favorite Ducks vs. The Beagle Boys
Clarabelle and Minnie
Chip and Dale (sorry, Don)
Mickey and Goofy
Jiminy Cricket, Thumper, and the Seven Dwarves (!!)
Big and L'il Bad Wolf and the Three Pigs
I was trying to figure out the difference between Chip and Dale. The only
difference I could see was that one has a red nose. Do chipmunks have red
noses, or is it something else?
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA