Dear Folks (and especially Harry),
Here's an updated version of that list of changed/censored
stories. I've added a bit of information about the stories you
already had, too.
BTW: Is the version of "Bongo on the Congo" in USA 3 censored
just like the later reprinting (1 year later) in the CBL?
Anyway...
* * * * *
Four Color 238, Voodoo Hoodoo: natives censored, zombie's nose changed.
Uncensored version appeared in Europe.
Four Color 256, Luck of the North: Eskimos' dialogue rewritten
slightly in Gladstone Giant Album 2 (status in CBL II unknown)
Four Color xxx, Land of the Totem Poles: Indians' dialogue
rewritten in DD 278 printing (status in CBL II unknown?)
Uncle Scrooge 13, Land Beneath the Ground: Missing art restored;
two captions changed to bridge gaps left by still-missing
art (in Gladstone Album 6; CBL status unknown).
Uncle Scrooge 29, Island in the Sky: in various places -- "Apache"
changed to "alien", "Mohawk" changed to "Savage." Caption:
"They kneel like the American savages kneeled to Columbus!"
changed to "ancient" savages and "explorers". "How"
changed to "Howdy" in one panel. In US 269. Status of the
story in CBL unknown?
Uncle Scrooge 33 (2nd), Bongo on the Congo: natives changed on page
7 and 8 in CBL (status in USA 3 unknown?)
Uncle Scrooge xx, How Green Was My Lettuce: Missing art restored; a
figure of Scrooge added in silhouette to one panel and two new
inserted panels by Don Rosa (to bridge additional
still-missing art) in US 241.
Walt Disney's C&S 87, The Terrible Turkey: The word "eagle" has been
changed to "giant quail" on page 10 of the story in WDC&S
579 reprint; CBL reprints unchanged.
Walt Disney's C&S 127, The April Foolers: Title of book in trash
heap "Mein Kampf" removed in WDC&S 560; unchanged in CBL.
Walt Disney's C&S 159, Will-o'-the-Wisp: Scrooge's top hat has been
redrawn in the first panel, and a title "Book of Devious
Strategems" has been added to a book on a later page, in
the WDC&S 566 reprint. CBL reprints unchanged.
Walt Disney's C&S xxx, Submarine Santa: Sign has been added to
shopfront on page 1 splash panel in WDC&S 568.
Walt Disney's C&S 186, Olympic Team Try-Outs: Donald's winning cup
has been changed to a medal in WDC&S 575 and dialogue changed
appropriately; some of audience's boos deleted; reference to
"unfriendly" countries changed to "other" countries, and
Olympic slogan "it is not to win, but to *try* that is
important" has been changed somewhat (this is indeed an
Olympic slogan, but Barks originally had it slightly wrong)
and relettered. (Status of CBL version unknown?)
B&G March Of Comics 20, Darkest Africa: natives (cannibals) changed; one
panel missing. The story has been reinked, page 1-5 and 10
by Daan Jippes, the other pages by Dutch artist Dick Vlottes.
Cheerio Giveaway, Atom Bomb: Mostly reinked by Daan Jippes; a few
original Barks panels re-inserted in American printings.
Cash register and money removed on last panel.
Firestone Giveaway '46, Santa's Stormy Visit: reinked by Egmont.
B&G March Of Comics 41, Race to the South Seas: reinked by Daan
Jippes. Name of Donald's boat accidentally left in Dutch
('KWAAK') in CBL, but restored in Disney DDA 26. Name on
newspaper, 'Dagobert McDuck,' left unchanged from Dutch in
both reprints.
Southern Pacific Giveaway, Donald Tells About Kites: restored.
Four Color 29 (3rd), Too Many Pets: restored.
The inked versions by Daan Jippes were done in 1974, 1975 for
Oberon, the Dutch Disney editor. When the CBL and others used these
stories, they replaced the Dutch dialogue with the original American text
(a mixture of Xerox copies and reletterings).
We are sure our list is not complete. We hope that an original
version of the stories above will appear somewhere, sometime.
* * * * *
Is this okay? Note that I can't remember the number of two or
three issues... this seems like a good idea for a new list to put on
ftp, but it would be a good idea to restore the numbers first.
Thanks!
David Gerstein
Author
Topic: 199311
(180 messages)
David A Gerstein
An updated list of the changed/censored stories
Message 121 -
1993-11-20 at 19:45:20
Torsten Wesley Adair
FAQ?
Message 122 -
1993-11-21 at 06:32:40
On Fri, 19 Nov 1993, Fredrik Ekman wrote:
> Torsten Adair wrote:
> > Recently, with the arrival of a lot of new people (HI Everyone!), there
> > has been talk of introductory material. Therefore, let me propose that a
> > list of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) be created for the enjoyment and
> > enlightenment of all who subscribe to this list.
> Great idea! Just 1 small detail: Who's gonna do it? Per doesn't have time
> (I assume) and I don't have time (I am sure). Last time this was proposed
> there were no volunteers. Are there any now?
Well, why don't we send stuff here, so that everyone here can put in there
two cents worth?
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
> Torsten Adair wrote:
> > Recently, with the arrival of a lot of new people (HI Everyone!), there
> > has been talk of introductory material. Therefore, let me propose that a
> > list of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) be created for the enjoyment and
> > enlightenment of all who subscribe to this list.
> Great idea! Just 1 small detail: Who's gonna do it? Per doesn't have time
> (I assume) and I don't have time (I am sure). Last time this was proposed
> there were no volunteers. Are there any now?
Well, why don't we send stuff here, so that everyone here can put in there
two cents worth?
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
Torsten Wesley Adair
FAQ?
Message 123 -
1993-11-21 at 21:13:11
On Sat, 20 Nov 1993, Torsten Wesley Adair wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Nov 1993, Fredrik Ekman wrote:
> > Torsten Adair wrote:
> > > Recently, with the arrival of a lot of new people (HI Everyone!), there
> > > has been talk of introductory material. Therefore, let me propose that a
> > > list of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) be created for the enjoyment and
> > > enlightenment of all who subscribe to this list.
> > Great idea! Just 1 small detail: Who's gonna do it? Per doesn't have time
> > (I assume) and I don't have time (I am sure). Last time this was proposed
> > there were no volunteers. Are there any now?
> Well, why don't we send stuff here, so that everyone here can put in there
> two cents worth?
Me, again. A thought struck me last night, and Don also mentioned it.
Most of the FAQ topics I listed were from discussions on this list. So
all that really needs to be done is for someone to get copies of the mail,
print them out, figure out what goes where, cut and paste it so that it is
coherent, and then send it back to the list. Another Christmas project,
like last year's indexes.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
> On Fri, 19 Nov 1993, Fredrik Ekman wrote:
> > Torsten Adair wrote:
> > > Recently, with the arrival of a lot of new people (HI Everyone!), there
> > > has been talk of introductory material. Therefore, let me propose that a
> > > list of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) be created for the enjoyment and
> > > enlightenment of all who subscribe to this list.
> > Great idea! Just 1 small detail: Who's gonna do it? Per doesn't have time
> > (I assume) and I don't have time (I am sure). Last time this was proposed
> > there were no volunteers. Are there any now?
> Well, why don't we send stuff here, so that everyone here can put in there
> two cents worth?
Me, again. A thought struck me last night, and Don also mentioned it.
Most of the FAQ topics I listed were from discussions on this list. So
all that really needs to be done is for someone to get copies of the mail,
print them out, figure out what goes where, cut and paste it so that it is
coherent, and then send it back to the list. Another Christmas project,
like last year's indexes.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
Torsten Wesley Adair
+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #162.
Message 124 -
1993-11-21 at 21:51:30
ROSEBUD ALERT!! SPOILER WARNING!!
On 19 Nov 1993, Don Rosa wrote:
> COMMENTS ON #162:
> Well, is it ALWAYS necessary, I'm already wondering? Now I'm
> going to tell, was it Torsten?, that Lo$ part 3 does NOT take place in
> Nebraska. Would that spoil anything? I know for a fact that many foreign
> versions of my stories do not stick to my scripts, some less than
> others. I'm in close touch with the German translator-editor, so the
> German should be close. However, in my script it is made quite clear
> exactly where $crooge is in that tale. In fact, you can always check the
> first panel of each chapter where I make a point of including a map of
> the site of that chapter's action. On the German-version map you can see
> where the "Badlands" are, though they chose to not list the areas as
> territories but as states, which made it look very odd to any American
> that North and South Dakota are just Dakota. So $crooge is nowhere near
> Nebraska... he was just across the central western border of the Dakota
> territory where...uh... that guy in the story had his ranch (in real
> life, of course). There! WHO that guy is might be something I wouldn't
> want to spoil (if I haven't already once before).
The map did show his route, but I was just wondering where that geological
formation was. As for the dialogue, well, I tend to skip words and just
get the gist of what is said.
As for that "guy", I wonder how many people outside the U.S. knew who he
was. I knew it the minute I saw him (fairly obvious clues), but even
though you give his first name in the last panel, I tend to wonder.
> As for writing up a list of "FAQ", not me! No time! In fact, I
> don't even have time to finish what I'
Heh. Keep up the good work!
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
On 19 Nov 1993, Don Rosa wrote:
> COMMENTS ON #162:
> Well, is it ALWAYS necessary, I'm already wondering? Now I'm
> going to tell, was it Torsten?, that Lo$ part 3 does NOT take place in
> Nebraska. Would that spoil anything? I know for a fact that many foreign
> versions of my stories do not stick to my scripts, some less than
> others. I'm in close touch with the German translator-editor, so the
> German should be close. However, in my script it is made quite clear
> exactly where $crooge is in that tale. In fact, you can always check the
> first panel of each chapter where I make a point of including a map of
> the site of that chapter's action. On the German-version map you can see
> where the "Badlands" are, though they chose to not list the areas as
> territories but as states, which made it look very odd to any American
> that North and South Dakota are just Dakota. So $crooge is nowhere near
> Nebraska... he was just across the central western border of the Dakota
> territory where...uh... that guy in the story had his ranch (in real
> life, of course). There! WHO that guy is might be something I wouldn't
> want to spoil (if I haven't already once before).
The map did show his route, but I was just wondering where that geological
formation was. As for the dialogue, well, I tend to skip words and just
get the gist of what is said.
As for that "guy", I wonder how many people outside the U.S. knew who he
was. I knew it the minute I saw him (fairly obvious clues), but even
though you give his first name in the last panel, I tend to wonder.
> As for writing up a list of "FAQ", not me! No time! In fact, I
> don't even have time to finish what I'
Heh. Keep up the good work!
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
Mark Semich
UK info?
Message 125 -
1993-11-21 at 22:35:09
With all of the recent new members on the disney comics mailing list,
I was wondering if we now had any people in the U.K. who might know the
answers to a couple of disney-comic related questions:
I've heard conflicting rumors as to whether or not Fleetway is still
publishing the Disney comic books in the U.K. (or if they're even
being published *at all*) and as to whether Don Rosa's "Life and Times
Of Scrooge McDuck" is going to see print as a graphic novel there as
well. Does anyone know what is actually going on?
I was wondering if we now had any people in the U.K. who might know the
answers to a couple of disney-comic related questions:
I've heard conflicting rumors as to whether or not Fleetway is still
publishing the Disney comic books in the U.K. (or if they're even
being published *at all*) and as to whether Don Rosa's "Life and Times
Of Scrooge McDuck" is going to see print as a graphic novel there as
well. Does anyone know what is actually going on?
Harry Fluks
An updated list of the changed/censored stories
Message 126 -
1993-11-22 at 11:41:52
Some remarks on David's updated list:
> Four Color xxx, Land of the Totem Poles: Indians' dialogue
> rewritten in DD 278 printing (status in CBL II unknown?)
That's FC 263, and the CBL has original dialogue.
> Uncle Scrooge xx, How Green Was My Lettuce: Missing art restored; a
> figure of Scrooge added in silhouette to one panel and two new
> inserted panels by Don Rosa (to bridge additional
> still-missing art) in US 241.
US 51.
Same in CBL, except for the 2 Rosa panels (space filled with text in stead).
> B&G March Of Comics 20, Darkest Africa: natives (cannibals) changed; one
> panel missing. The story has been reinked, page 1-5 and 10
> by Daan Jippes, the other pages by Dutch artist Dick Vlottes.
Where did you get the information that Jippes inked pages 5 and 10 as well?
> B&G March Of Comics 41, Race to the South Seas: (...) Name on
> newspaper, 'Dagobert McDuck,' left unchanged from Dutch in
> both reprints.
Does it really say 'McDuck'? In Holland, $crooge is called 'Dagobert Duck'.
> Is this okay? Note that I can't remember the number of two or
> three issues... this seems like a good idea for a new list to put on
> ftp, but it would be a good idea to restore the numbers first.
..and add other information we already have... I remember Per posting
information about textual changes in some Barks stories.
I could look it up; I could also start making a FAQ, but there's one thing
that withholds me: I don't have the time at the moment...
--Harry.
> Four Color xxx, Land of the Totem Poles: Indians' dialogue
> rewritten in DD 278 printing (status in CBL II unknown?)
That's FC 263, and the CBL has original dialogue.
> Uncle Scrooge xx, How Green Was My Lettuce: Missing art restored; a
> figure of Scrooge added in silhouette to one panel and two new
> inserted panels by Don Rosa (to bridge additional
> still-missing art) in US 241.
US 51.
Same in CBL, except for the 2 Rosa panels (space filled with text in stead).
> B&G March Of Comics 20, Darkest Africa: natives (cannibals) changed; one
> panel missing. The story has been reinked, page 1-5 and 10
> by Daan Jippes, the other pages by Dutch artist Dick Vlottes.
Where did you get the information that Jippes inked pages 5 and 10 as well?
> B&G March Of Comics 41, Race to the South Seas: (...) Name on
> newspaper, 'Dagobert McDuck,' left unchanged from Dutch in
> both reprints.
Does it really say 'McDuck'? In Holland, $crooge is called 'Dagobert Duck'.
> Is this okay? Note that I can't remember the number of two or
> three issues... this seems like a good idea for a new list to put on
> ftp, but it would be a good idea to restore the numbers first.
..and add other information we already have... I remember Per posting
information about textual changes in some Barks stories.
I could look it up; I could also start making a FAQ, but there's one thing
that withholds me: I don't have the time at the moment...
--Harry.
Mattias Hallin
I know, but some of you don't want to...
Message 127 -
1993-11-22 at 16:03:23
SPOILER WARNING!SPOILER WARNING!SPOILER WARNING!SPOILER WARNING!
Someone asked if us Europeans would recognize the guy that $crooge meets in the
Dakota badlands in Lo$ 3 - sure, no problem! at least not for me to recognize
the "Hero of San Juan Hill"! I might have had problems with a visual
recognition of someone like McKinley, or so, but this one was a cinch!
Says
Your humble braggart
Mattias
Someone asked if us Europeans would recognize the guy that $crooge meets in the
Dakota badlands in Lo$ 3 - sure, no problem! at least not for me to recognize
the "Hero of San Juan Hill"! I might have had problems with a visual
recognition of someone like McKinley, or so, but this one was a cinch!
Says
Your humble braggart
Mattias
Don Rosa
+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #164.
Message 128 -
1993-11-22 at 16:17:05
Mark:
Is Fleetway still publishing the Disney comics in the UK?
Egmont (Gutenberghus) had always published the UK Disneys until
a few years ago when media-mogul Rupert Murdoch managed to power the
Disney license away from Egmont (not easy, since Egmont is no slouch)
and give it to his Fleetway comics. This was pretty irritating for
Egmont after they had created and nurtured the UK Disney comics for so
long. So... Egmont bought Fleetway. Now, Fleetway is still publishing
the UK Disneys, but Fleetway is Egmont.
The problem is that about a year or so ago when this happened,
the UK Disneys all started over with new titles and first issues, and
were put in the hands of people who knew even LESS about Disney comics
than when Disney took the American license away from Gladstone. A
constant source of irritation with my Copenhagen editors seems to be how
the UK people louse up the comics, mostly through sheer carelessness.
Hopefully it will get better.
Torsten:
The identity of the "guy" in Lo$ part 3 is intended NOT to be
known by any readers except the adults or otherwise bright ones. All the
clues are there...that guy actually DID have a ranch in the western
Dakota Territory in 1882 when $crooge was there, and he did all the
other things I say he did. When they go back to the original script in
the American editions, the "guy's" dialogue will be paraphrased from his
actual writings and speeches. Wouldn't you say he was the IDEAL person
in all of history that $crooge could have gotten inspiration from?! And
when my research told me that he and $crooge were in the Badlands at the
exact same time, it was irresistably obvious to base the tale on.
As for that scenery, there are sections of the Dakota Badlands
that include all of the elements I used in the backgrounds. But they
occur NOWHERE all TOGETHER as I depict them, particularly in that
half-page shot. That was the ol' artistic license.
Is Fleetway still publishing the Disney comics in the UK?
Egmont (Gutenberghus) had always published the UK Disneys until
a few years ago when media-mogul Rupert Murdoch managed to power the
Disney license away from Egmont (not easy, since Egmont is no slouch)
and give it to his Fleetway comics. This was pretty irritating for
Egmont after they had created and nurtured the UK Disney comics for so
long. So... Egmont bought Fleetway. Now, Fleetway is still publishing
the UK Disneys, but Fleetway is Egmont.
The problem is that about a year or so ago when this happened,
the UK Disneys all started over with new titles and first issues, and
were put in the hands of people who knew even LESS about Disney comics
than when Disney took the American license away from Gladstone. A
constant source of irritation with my Copenhagen editors seems to be how
the UK people louse up the comics, mostly through sheer carelessness.
Hopefully it will get better.
Torsten:
The identity of the "guy" in Lo$ part 3 is intended NOT to be
known by any readers except the adults or otherwise bright ones. All the
clues are there...that guy actually DID have a ranch in the western
Dakota Territory in 1882 when $crooge was there, and he did all the
other things I say he did. When they go back to the original script in
the American editions, the "guy's" dialogue will be paraphrased from his
actual writings and speeches. Wouldn't you say he was the IDEAL person
in all of history that $crooge could have gotten inspiration from?! And
when my research told me that he and $crooge were in the Badlands at the
exact same time, it was irresistably obvious to base the tale on.
As for that scenery, there are sections of the Dakota Badlands
that include all of the elements I used in the backgrounds. But they
occur NOWHERE all TOGETHER as I depict them, particularly in that
half-page shot. That was the ol' artistic license.
Jon Cato Lorentzen
Additions to the changed stories list
Message 129 -
1993-11-22 at 18:40:57
Another addition to the list..
In the story where Donald becomes obsessed with fire, and runs around
all over Duckburg makin fires (square fires, round fires etc. :)), I believe
there was inserted a badly drawn panel in the end, where Donald wakes
up in bed. Making the entire story a bad dream.
As this is my first posting to the group (I've been lurking for months),
I might as well introduce myself:
My name is Jon C. Lorentzen, I am 21 years old, and I've been reading Duck
comics since I was four. I've been an avid collecter ever since, with only
a slight break in my collection in 88-89 when DuckTales dominated the
series. Being a poor student, I desperately try to save enough money
to keep buying the Carl Barks Library in Colour.
Now that I've bored you to death I'll go on to comment Lo$:
HERE BE SPOILERS:
I believe I managed to discover a pun in the African part of the series,
that was totally lost in the translation. I'm talking about
when Scrooge helps Gloomheart up on his cart, Gloomheart says something
like (Translated from Norwegian) "I am a Boer" and Scrooge answers
"I'm sure I've met worse". In English the pun is obvious (Boer/Bore),
but the Norwegian translation just translated it directly, and missed the
whole point. How did the Swedes and Danes handle this pun? And did I
translate it correctly, or am I far off here?
Jon C. Lorentzen
University of Oslo
In the story where Donald becomes obsessed with fire, and runs around
all over Duckburg makin fires (square fires, round fires etc. :)), I believe
there was inserted a badly drawn panel in the end, where Donald wakes
up in bed. Making the entire story a bad dream.
As this is my first posting to the group (I've been lurking for months),
I might as well introduce myself:
My name is Jon C. Lorentzen, I am 21 years old, and I've been reading Duck
comics since I was four. I've been an avid collecter ever since, with only
a slight break in my collection in 88-89 when DuckTales dominated the
series. Being a poor student, I desperately try to save enough money
to keep buying the Carl Barks Library in Colour.
Now that I've bored you to death I'll go on to comment Lo$:
HERE BE SPOILERS:
I believe I managed to discover a pun in the African part of the series,
that was totally lost in the translation. I'm talking about
when Scrooge helps Gloomheart up on his cart, Gloomheart says something
like (Translated from Norwegian) "I am a Boer" and Scrooge answers
"I'm sure I've met worse". In English the pun is obvious (Boer/Bore),
but the Norwegian translation just translated it directly, and missed the
whole point. How did the Swedes and Danes handle this pun? And did I
translate it correctly, or am I far off here?
Jon C. Lorentzen
University of Oslo
Gilbert Milburn
This and that!..
Message 130 -
1993-11-22 at 20:40:41
Dear Don and everyone else,
COMMENTS ON DIGESTS #160-164
Harry quoted me:
> Welcome aboard!.. because Per is usually very busy maybe Harry, Torsten
> or somebody else can handle your initiation! >;-D
And then added:
> Technically, we can't do anything to add people to the mailing list. That's
> on Per's machine and Per is the only one authorized on that machine.
That's NOT what I meant, for that re-read your next statement!..
Harry:
> But we can make up some initiation rites, if you want. Like: newcomers
> should answer the next question correctly: "do you think Chip 'n' Dale are
> cute?" 8-)
Sounds good to me, went do we start? >;-)
David A Gerstein said:
> Huh? What I meant to say was that during the Disney Comics
> period (1990-93) I saw *no* anti-Rosa letters, and I followed their
> comics very closely. However, what I meant was that there were
> *droves* of letters panning William Van Horn. The letter column of
> Disney Comics' DDA was (particularly around issues #15-18 I think) the
> center of a raging debate over Van Horn. The comments ranged from
> dripping praise (as I often give Don Rosa! ;-) to furious comments of
> the "this art is better suited to coloring books" variety. Even Bob
> Foster chimed in, in one case giving a relatively nasty answer to
> someone who referred to Van Horn's stories as "drek" (he didn't mind
> criticism, he said, but insults were different).
Don said:
> I keep seeing people making references to "anti-Rosa articles"
> or letters other than this mysterious German one. Not that I would doubt
> that such would exist, but where were they? I don't recall anything even
> remotely like the German article. And if I useta get hate-mail early-on
> at Gladstone, I've blotted it from my memory. Which issues? I'll go back
> and peek.
> The anti-Rosa stuff will be mostly or exclusively in Germany.
> That's where the only anti-Rosa group that I know of has its closest
> ties and influences. There'll be more to come probably this June.
Mattias Hallin:
> Don!
> Of course I reacted to that German tripe! It made me sick to my stomach,
> if not necessarily literally, at least figuratively speaking!!! The reason
> I didn't say much about it is, I guess, basically because I figured
> everyone on this list would and does react pretty much as I did - we all
> know it is a trashy piece of hogwash; albeit unfortunately rather cleverly
> disguised by enough facts (like, they spell your name right, and you ARE
> working on a story about $crooge's life etc.) to make it seem informed to
> the UNinformed average German reader of the feature. Which of course makes
> it's (probably) malicious intent all the more malicious... Yuk! Sick to my
> stomach... believe me! But I didn't and don't see much point in ARGUING
> against it on THIS LIST, really, because I just can't concieve any of us
> BELIEVING such crappy nonsense!
Ah ha!.. a *TRUE* Rosa fan, after my own heart! ;-)
Mattias:
> What I do, however, intend to do, and actually have been planning to do for
> quite some time now, is to write a feature of my own about Lo$, to appear
> in NAFS(k)uriren, and if it turns out well enough, possibly to translate it
> and offer it to, well, Der Donaldist, Duckburg Times and/or The Barks
> Collector.
*GREAT!.. PLEASE DO WRITE YOUR FEATURE, TELL THE WORLD HOW YOU FEEL!!*
I wish I felt MORE comfortable as a writer, I REALLY let the WHOLE WORLD HAVE
WITH BOTH BARRELS--RIGHT BETWEEN THE EYES!! So, you'll just have to speak
for me as well, if you don't mind!
Mattias:
> This, of course, won't go a very long way towards rectifying the
> maliciously slanted slander against you in that article, since I will still
> be talking only to those already in the know, but... what can one do,
> really?
>
> And huccome they're DOING this to you in the first place?
Mattias, that "My Friend" is a very *GOOD* question!.. I have *NEVER*
understood ALL the Anti-Rosa proclamations, that WE, as fans get SMASHED over
the head with!!! Don, do you know WHY the so called: "authorities" hate you
SO MUCH?!?
Chris Lawton:
> P.S. Don - If you feel a little unappriecated by the folks at Disney,
> please try to not let it get you down. There's still lots of people who do
> like the work you do here in the U.S.
Listen to Chris, Don!!.. I think he speaks for *many* of US.
Tom Tanida:
> I'll vouch for that. I love Don's work (when I can find it! arggh!)
> and I've been collecting his comics. I grew up with Barks, and only Don
> can compare (if he doesn't mind the useless comparisons- I don't think
> it's really very appropriate to compare artists, movies, etc.- each should
> stand alone). It's too bad the US market is bent more on comics with
> mindless violence.
Hey, cool another one!.. Well, I have been following Don's work since
1980 when he started: "CAPTAIN KENTUCKY" if you don't know about it ask me
about and I'll post you some information!
Tom:
> A friend of mine also loves Don's work- she pores over every frame to
> examine the great detail put in to each one. In fact, she even thinks
> Barks'art is not as good, and reads Don's stories almost exclusively!
*SEE Don!.. I've been trying to tell you for years that you do excellent
work and that people *REALLY* do love ALL the care you put in to it!!!!!!!!!*
Torsten Adair:
> Comments? Questions? Suggestions?
Ah, just one unrelated one buddy: "How well did you understand German
(written/spoken)?" I know your Mother is German, but you were raised here in
the States and many American can *barley* speak English!
There, now kick that around...
Later,
-Gil
Gil Milburn <gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu>
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father; prepare to die!"
COMMENTS ON DIGESTS #160-164
Harry quoted me:
> Welcome aboard!.. because Per is usually very busy maybe Harry, Torsten
> or somebody else can handle your initiation! >;-D
And then added:
> Technically, we can't do anything to add people to the mailing list. That's
> on Per's machine and Per is the only one authorized on that machine.
That's NOT what I meant, for that re-read your next statement!..
Harry:
> But we can make up some initiation rites, if you want. Like: newcomers
> should answer the next question correctly: "do you think Chip 'n' Dale are
> cute?" 8-)
Sounds good to me, went do we start? >;-)
David A Gerstein said:
> Huh? What I meant to say was that during the Disney Comics
> period (1990-93) I saw *no* anti-Rosa letters, and I followed their
> comics very closely. However, what I meant was that there were
> *droves* of letters panning William Van Horn. The letter column of
> Disney Comics' DDA was (particularly around issues #15-18 I think) the
> center of a raging debate over Van Horn. The comments ranged from
> dripping praise (as I often give Don Rosa! ;-) to furious comments of
> the "this art is better suited to coloring books" variety. Even Bob
> Foster chimed in, in one case giving a relatively nasty answer to
> someone who referred to Van Horn's stories as "drek" (he didn't mind
> criticism, he said, but insults were different).
Don said:
> I keep seeing people making references to "anti-Rosa articles"
> or letters other than this mysterious German one. Not that I would doubt
> that such would exist, but where were they? I don't recall anything even
> remotely like the German article. And if I useta get hate-mail early-on
> at Gladstone, I've blotted it from my memory. Which issues? I'll go back
> and peek.
> The anti-Rosa stuff will be mostly or exclusively in Germany.
> That's where the only anti-Rosa group that I know of has its closest
> ties and influences. There'll be more to come probably this June.
Mattias Hallin:
> Don!
> Of course I reacted to that German tripe! It made me sick to my stomach,
> if not necessarily literally, at least figuratively speaking!!! The reason
> I didn't say much about it is, I guess, basically because I figured
> everyone on this list would and does react pretty much as I did - we all
> know it is a trashy piece of hogwash; albeit unfortunately rather cleverly
> disguised by enough facts (like, they spell your name right, and you ARE
> working on a story about $crooge's life etc.) to make it seem informed to
> the UNinformed average German reader of the feature. Which of course makes
> it's (probably) malicious intent all the more malicious... Yuk! Sick to my
> stomach... believe me! But I didn't and don't see much point in ARGUING
> against it on THIS LIST, really, because I just can't concieve any of us
> BELIEVING such crappy nonsense!
Ah ha!.. a *TRUE* Rosa fan, after my own heart! ;-)
Mattias:
> What I do, however, intend to do, and actually have been planning to do for
> quite some time now, is to write a feature of my own about Lo$, to appear
> in NAFS(k)uriren, and if it turns out well enough, possibly to translate it
> and offer it to, well, Der Donaldist, Duckburg Times and/or The Barks
> Collector.
*GREAT!.. PLEASE DO WRITE YOUR FEATURE, TELL THE WORLD HOW YOU FEEL!!*
I wish I felt MORE comfortable as a writer, I REALLY let the WHOLE WORLD HAVE
WITH BOTH BARRELS--RIGHT BETWEEN THE EYES!! So, you'll just have to speak
for me as well, if you don't mind!
Mattias:
> This, of course, won't go a very long way towards rectifying the
> maliciously slanted slander against you in that article, since I will still
> be talking only to those already in the know, but... what can one do,
> really?
>
> And huccome they're DOING this to you in the first place?
Mattias, that "My Friend" is a very *GOOD* question!.. I have *NEVER*
understood ALL the Anti-Rosa proclamations, that WE, as fans get SMASHED over
the head with!!! Don, do you know WHY the so called: "authorities" hate you
SO MUCH?!?
Chris Lawton:
> P.S. Don - If you feel a little unappriecated by the folks at Disney,
> please try to not let it get you down. There's still lots of people who do
> like the work you do here in the U.S.
Listen to Chris, Don!!.. I think he speaks for *many* of US.
Tom Tanida:
> I'll vouch for that. I love Don's work (when I can find it! arggh!)
> and I've been collecting his comics. I grew up with Barks, and only Don
> can compare (if he doesn't mind the useless comparisons- I don't think
> it's really very appropriate to compare artists, movies, etc.- each should
> stand alone). It's too bad the US market is bent more on comics with
> mindless violence.
Hey, cool another one!.. Well, I have been following Don's work since
1980 when he started: "CAPTAIN KENTUCKY" if you don't know about it ask me
about and I'll post you some information!
Tom:
> A friend of mine also loves Don's work- she pores over every frame to
> examine the great detail put in to each one. In fact, she even thinks
> Barks'art is not as good, and reads Don's stories almost exclusively!
*SEE Don!.. I've been trying to tell you for years that you do excellent
work and that people *REALLY* do love ALL the care you put in to it!!!!!!!!!*
Torsten Adair:
> Comments? Questions? Suggestions?
Ah, just one unrelated one buddy: "How well did you understand German
(written/spoken)?" I know your Mother is German, but you were raised here in
the States and many American can *barley* speak English!
There, now kick that around...
Later,
-Gil
Gil Milburn <gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu>
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father; prepare to die!"
David A Gerstein
Additional censored stories
Message 131 -
1993-11-23 at 01:28:42
Dear Folks,
One update and two new additions to the unfortunate bucketful
of stories which have had to be censored:
* * * * *
Cheerio Giveaway, Atom Bomb: Mostly reinked by Daan Jippes; a few
original Barks panels re-inserted in American printings.
Cash register and money removed on last panel, and text in
second-to-last panel changed (original text unknown).
Four Color 29 (2nd), The Hard Loser: In WDC&S 551, the word "weird"
was substituted for "queer" on page 5, so not to offend
homosexuals. Reprints of the story in DDD 1 and in the
CBL are unchanged.
WDC&S 112, Donald Van Winkle: In WDC&S 554, "the future" was
substituted for "1990" at every point. Also, any
exclamation originally written like (THIS) was altered so
it looked like >THIS<. CBL reprints unchanged.
* * * * *
John Clark told me about the change in "Atom Bomb" today. He
also told me that the missing Sunday strips in DD 282 were removed at
Disney's request. One of them involved Donald posing as a blind
beggar, and two others involved doing mean things to Clarabelle
(although somehow, a strip where Donald actually gave Clarabelle a
black eye did make it into print!).
Members of this group have asked for a Jack Hannah story to
appear in the DD 50th-anniversary issue, and so John is going to try
to get "School Days" from WDC&S 37. He promises nothing for sure,
though, since Disney has the proofs (acquired from Whitman) and may
have trouble finding them (there's been a lot of reorganization since
Disney Comics stopped its monthly comics).
Romano Scarpa story coming down the pike -- "The Man from
Ula-Ula" (can anyone tell me what this is about?). Every other issue
of USA will be double-sized starting very soon, making room for some
more Italian stories as well. "Colossus of the Nile", much-requested,
is on order NOW (we can thank our own FABIO for the code number!!!),
and "U$ and the Lentils from Babylon" will appear too... and *I'VE*
been assigned to dialog it!
I'm both dying of excitement to see WDC&S 589 (my first
published dialog) and dying of embarrassment that they chose to print
one of my lesser ones first. I like it okay, I guess, but the first
and seventh pages are a little stiff. Anyone see it yet?
Your friend,
David Gerstein
"Phooey on Sir Quincy Quack! Double phooey! And yuck!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
One update and two new additions to the unfortunate bucketful
of stories which have had to be censored:
* * * * *
Cheerio Giveaway, Atom Bomb: Mostly reinked by Daan Jippes; a few
original Barks panels re-inserted in American printings.
Cash register and money removed on last panel, and text in
second-to-last panel changed (original text unknown).
Four Color 29 (2nd), The Hard Loser: In WDC&S 551, the word "weird"
was substituted for "queer" on page 5, so not to offend
homosexuals. Reprints of the story in DDD 1 and in the
CBL are unchanged.
WDC&S 112, Donald Van Winkle: In WDC&S 554, "the future" was
substituted for "1990" at every point. Also, any
exclamation originally written like (THIS) was altered so
it looked like >THIS<. CBL reprints unchanged.
* * * * *
John Clark told me about the change in "Atom Bomb" today. He
also told me that the missing Sunday strips in DD 282 were removed at
Disney's request. One of them involved Donald posing as a blind
beggar, and two others involved doing mean things to Clarabelle
(although somehow, a strip where Donald actually gave Clarabelle a
black eye did make it into print!).
Members of this group have asked for a Jack Hannah story to
appear in the DD 50th-anniversary issue, and so John is going to try
to get "School Days" from WDC&S 37. He promises nothing for sure,
though, since Disney has the proofs (acquired from Whitman) and may
have trouble finding them (there's been a lot of reorganization since
Disney Comics stopped its monthly comics).
Romano Scarpa story coming down the pike -- "The Man from
Ula-Ula" (can anyone tell me what this is about?). Every other issue
of USA will be double-sized starting very soon, making room for some
more Italian stories as well. "Colossus of the Nile", much-requested,
is on order NOW (we can thank our own FABIO for the code number!!!),
and "U$ and the Lentils from Babylon" will appear too... and *I'VE*
been assigned to dialog it!
I'm both dying of excitement to see WDC&S 589 (my first
published dialog) and dying of embarrassment that they chose to print
one of my lesser ones first. I like it okay, I guess, but the first
and seventh pages are a little stiff. Anyone see it yet?
Your friend,
David Gerstein
"Phooey on Sir Quincy Quack! Double phooey! And yuck!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Don Rosa
+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #165.
Message 132 -
1993-11-23 at 06:25:18
Mattias:
Pertaining to that "guy" in Lo$ part 3, I forgot to mention that
I was slightly trepidatious when I decided to use the "guy" in the
story. I knew that I and a lot of others regarded him as one of the
greatest Americans of all time, but I was worried that to a non-American
he might be regarded as a maniacal imperialist! I was just as worried
that Europeans would never recognize him at all (though that really
wasn't much of a worry -- most Europeans know as much if not more about
American history than Americans; they definitely seem to know more about
our government!). Anyway, he sure does have a kisser on him, eh? He's a
joy to draw! I mean, even sticking a dog nose on him, you know who he is
instantly! And you might be pleased (?) to know that he makes a return
visit in part X, which might just be the best chapter of the series,
page for page (even though it's the chapter where I have the Bin built
in 1902).
Gil:
You did it again, even though you recopy the portion of my
letter asking for an explanation. But you continued to say that you're
tired of "all the anti-Rosa proclamations that we keep getting smashed
over the head with". What are you referring to??? Other than the German
article (which you couldn't have even seen except on here), what are you
talking about?
And to anyone who's interested, I've finished writing my "Donald
Duck 60th Birthday" special story, and tomorrow I begin doing the art.
It's a 15 page Duck version of "It's a Wonderful Life" where Donald is
granted the wish that he was never born.
Pertaining to that "guy" in Lo$ part 3, I forgot to mention that
I was slightly trepidatious when I decided to use the "guy" in the
story. I knew that I and a lot of others regarded him as one of the
greatest Americans of all time, but I was worried that to a non-American
he might be regarded as a maniacal imperialist! I was just as worried
that Europeans would never recognize him at all (though that really
wasn't much of a worry -- most Europeans know as much if not more about
American history than Americans; they definitely seem to know more about
our government!). Anyway, he sure does have a kisser on him, eh? He's a
joy to draw! I mean, even sticking a dog nose on him, you know who he is
instantly! And you might be pleased (?) to know that he makes a return
visit in part X, which might just be the best chapter of the series,
page for page (even though it's the chapter where I have the Bin built
in 1902).
Gil:
You did it again, even though you recopy the portion of my
letter asking for an explanation. But you continued to say that you're
tired of "all the anti-Rosa proclamations that we keep getting smashed
over the head with". What are you referring to??? Other than the German
article (which you couldn't have even seen except on here), what are you
talking about?
And to anyone who's interested, I've finished writing my "Donald
Duck 60th Birthday" special story, and tomorrow I begin doing the art.
It's a 15 page Duck version of "It's a Wonderful Life" where Donald is
granted the wish that he was never born.
David A Gerstein
Today's scholarly (?) commentary
Message 133 -
1993-11-23 at 07:11:15
Hi, Folks!
I'll take today's messages on one at a time.
Jippes questions
====== =========
Pgs. 5 and 10 of "Darkest Africa" just don't look like
Vlottes' style -- for one thing, the ducks look just as they do in the
original (which I had a chance to see at the San Diego convention last
summer), whereas Vlottes' do not. On Page 10, the medium and tight
shots of the ducks and McFiendy don't have the thick penline that
characterizes Vlottes' work (particularly his HD&L)... further
evidence. Compare McFiendy on the last panel of page 10 to Jippes'
earlier art, and then to Vlottes' on the last two pages. See how
different? Vlottes can barely *draw* him -- I'd shudder to see what
Argus would look like were Vlottes not trying to trace Barks.
Yep, the newspaper (or whatever) that Sylvester Shyster reads
to the Ducks on page 2 or 3 of "Race to the South Seas" certainly says
"Dagobert McDuck." You go figure.
Gil Milburn again said I was
=== ======= ===== ==== = ===
citing anti-Rosa articles when I was in fact citing anti-Van
Horn ones. I said: "During the Disney Comics period (1990-93) I saw
*no* anti-Rosa letters... what I meant was that there were *droves* of
letters panning [criticizing] William Van Horn."
Sorry, Gil... maybe I just wrote an incoherent paragraph, but
this ought to have cleared it up. I've seen many more anti-Van-Horn
letters than anti-Rosa ones, and I don't think I ever saw an anti-Rosa
letter in a comic after 1989.
FAQ suggestions
=== ===========
I say... yes, we should have a FAQ and if Harry has no time to
make it, the rest of us can at least get a start. This FAQ should be
available from ftp, AND regularly posted to rec.arts.disney. We can
build up Gladstone's readership that way...
Regardez:
(A) Introductory knowledge
1. What Disney comics are currently published? Who publishes
them? How can I get them?
2. Who is Carl Barks, and what has he accomplished?
3. Who is Don Rosa, and what has he accomplished?
4. Who is Al Taliaferro, and what has he accomplished?
5. Who are some of the others whose work appears in Duck
comics, and what have they accomplished?
6. Who is Floyd Gottfredson, and what has he accomplished?
7. Who is Romano Scarpa, and what has he accomplished?
8. Who is Paul Murry, and what has he accomplished?
9. Who are some of the others whose work appears in Mouse
comics, and what have they accomplished?
10. What is Egmont, and what is their role in Disney comics?
11. What is Oberon, and what is their role in Disney comics?
12. Who is Jaime Diaz, and what is his role in Disney comics?
13. What is Mondadori/Disney Italy, and what is their role in
Disney comics?
(B) Historical knowledge
1. When were the first Disney comics made, and what were they
like?
2. What was the story behind Disney Comics? What happened to
it, and what about its cancelled titles?
3. What stories have been censored?
[This would be a list of issues/titles only, with a
reference to our projected list describing specific changes in each]
4. What Gottfredson stories have been banned from reprint
anywhere in the United States? Why?
5. What has Carl Barks done since retirement?
6. What was changed about the Carl Barks universe in the TV
series, "Duck Tales"?
[this being frequently brought up on the ranger-list]
7. Where were Donald Duck long adventures first created?
[answer: In Britain and Italy; Fabio and I will supply
more info]
(C) Editorial questions
1. What is the Life of $crooge, and when will it see print in
this country? On what schedule?
2. What is the current status of a Mickey Mouse solo comic?
3. What is the current status of Gladstone comics' release
schedule?
(D) Character secrets
1. How are Huey, Dewey and Louie related to other ducks?
[A small portion of the HD&L 'character' file]
2. What species is Goofy?
[Believe it or not, a lot of r-a-d people ask this, and
since Dippy Dawg stories are still reprinted often, we
should answer it]
3. How is Gladstone Gander related to the others?
[A small portion of the GG 'character' file]
4. How are Morty and Ferdie related to Mickey Mouse?
5. What is Grandma Duck's name?
6. Is Sylvester Shyster a dog or a rat?
[This I CAN'T figure out! When we make the FAQ I'll see
what John Clark has to say]
7. What is Eega Beeva?
[No one seems to know! He's the man of tomorrow,
evolution taken to an illogical extreme, and accidentally
caught in a time warp while spelunking to end up in a
Mouseton cavern]
* * * * *
What about this, eh? I could answer parts of many of these
questions, and so could a lot of us here. And this covers most of
what people ask about Disney comics. And we'll load the thing with
references to our ftp lists and mailing list.
BTW: I'm going to save this list so I don't have to type it
in again...
New Mouse cartoons
=== ===== ========
Apparently Disney has announced that the Roger Rabbit cartoons
they have made for theatres are now to be supplanted by new MM short
cartoons. I suppose they'll be "team" cartoons with MM/DD/GO, but I
have no basis for this guess... I'd sure rather see those than
literary adaptations, tho' I still like those... Someone on r-a-d
wrote that they hoped to see the Phantom Blot in the series, actually
mentioning Gottfredson by name (HURRAH!). I'd like to see him, too,
but not if DD and GO also appear in the same cartoon.
Anyway... it's about time!
Mickey laser discs
====== ===== =====
I just have gotten that laser disc set, "Mickey Mouse: The
Black-And-White Years Vol. 1". Many of the cartoons were used by
Gottfredson as the basis for stories or parts of stories. The prints
are beautiful, and all but one of the cartoons are uncut (the cut one
being "Steamboat Willie" and this due to an obvious SPLICE in their
NEGATIVE... the klutzes! I've written to them so they can correct
this in future pressings). Minor technical errors here and there in
their attempts to restore the original title frames to cartoons which
lacked them (they were re-released with different title cards, and
those prints are all that remain of many episodes). On the whole,
though, a fantastic collection, for a most un-mouse-like $124.95.
(I've been salting away money since last spring for the set... I'd
never normally be able to afford it.)
Just thought I'd recommend this superb product with a direct
tie-in to Gottfredson...
In closing
== =======
That was one of the doggonedest LONG letters that I ever
wrote! I haven't had so much to say in a long time, though, and I may
not again for a while (I can hear the cheering from here).
Your friend,
David Gerstein
"Ah! The languid bliss of autumn!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
I'll take today's messages on one at a time.
Jippes questions
====== =========
Pgs. 5 and 10 of "Darkest Africa" just don't look like
Vlottes' style -- for one thing, the ducks look just as they do in the
original (which I had a chance to see at the San Diego convention last
summer), whereas Vlottes' do not. On Page 10, the medium and tight
shots of the ducks and McFiendy don't have the thick penline that
characterizes Vlottes' work (particularly his HD&L)... further
evidence. Compare McFiendy on the last panel of page 10 to Jippes'
earlier art, and then to Vlottes' on the last two pages. See how
different? Vlottes can barely *draw* him -- I'd shudder to see what
Argus would look like were Vlottes not trying to trace Barks.
Yep, the newspaper (or whatever) that Sylvester Shyster reads
to the Ducks on page 2 or 3 of "Race to the South Seas" certainly says
"Dagobert McDuck." You go figure.
Gil Milburn again said I was
=== ======= ===== ==== = ===
citing anti-Rosa articles when I was in fact citing anti-Van
Horn ones. I said: "During the Disney Comics period (1990-93) I saw
*no* anti-Rosa letters... what I meant was that there were *droves* of
letters panning [criticizing] William Van Horn."
Sorry, Gil... maybe I just wrote an incoherent paragraph, but
this ought to have cleared it up. I've seen many more anti-Van-Horn
letters than anti-Rosa ones, and I don't think I ever saw an anti-Rosa
letter in a comic after 1989.
FAQ suggestions
=== ===========
I say... yes, we should have a FAQ and if Harry has no time to
make it, the rest of us can at least get a start. This FAQ should be
available from ftp, AND regularly posted to rec.arts.disney. We can
build up Gladstone's readership that way...
Regardez:
(A) Introductory knowledge
1. What Disney comics are currently published? Who publishes
them? How can I get them?
2. Who is Carl Barks, and what has he accomplished?
3. Who is Don Rosa, and what has he accomplished?
4. Who is Al Taliaferro, and what has he accomplished?
5. Who are some of the others whose work appears in Duck
comics, and what have they accomplished?
6. Who is Floyd Gottfredson, and what has he accomplished?
7. Who is Romano Scarpa, and what has he accomplished?
8. Who is Paul Murry, and what has he accomplished?
9. Who are some of the others whose work appears in Mouse
comics, and what have they accomplished?
10. What is Egmont, and what is their role in Disney comics?
11. What is Oberon, and what is their role in Disney comics?
12. Who is Jaime Diaz, and what is his role in Disney comics?
13. What is Mondadori/Disney Italy, and what is their role in
Disney comics?
(B) Historical knowledge
1. When were the first Disney comics made, and what were they
like?
2. What was the story behind Disney Comics? What happened to
it, and what about its cancelled titles?
3. What stories have been censored?
[This would be a list of issues/titles only, with a
reference to our projected list describing specific changes in each]
4. What Gottfredson stories have been banned from reprint
anywhere in the United States? Why?
5. What has Carl Barks done since retirement?
6. What was changed about the Carl Barks universe in the TV
series, "Duck Tales"?
[this being frequently brought up on the ranger-list]
7. Where were Donald Duck long adventures first created?
[answer: In Britain and Italy; Fabio and I will supply
more info]
(C) Editorial questions
1. What is the Life of $crooge, and when will it see print in
this country? On what schedule?
2. What is the current status of a Mickey Mouse solo comic?
3. What is the current status of Gladstone comics' release
schedule?
(D) Character secrets
1. How are Huey, Dewey and Louie related to other ducks?
[A small portion of the HD&L 'character' file]
2. What species is Goofy?
[Believe it or not, a lot of r-a-d people ask this, and
since Dippy Dawg stories are still reprinted often, we
should answer it]
3. How is Gladstone Gander related to the others?
[A small portion of the GG 'character' file]
4. How are Morty and Ferdie related to Mickey Mouse?
5. What is Grandma Duck's name?
6. Is Sylvester Shyster a dog or a rat?
[This I CAN'T figure out! When we make the FAQ I'll see
what John Clark has to say]
7. What is Eega Beeva?
[No one seems to know! He's the man of tomorrow,
evolution taken to an illogical extreme, and accidentally
caught in a time warp while spelunking to end up in a
Mouseton cavern]
* * * * *
What about this, eh? I could answer parts of many of these
questions, and so could a lot of us here. And this covers most of
what people ask about Disney comics. And we'll load the thing with
references to our ftp lists and mailing list.
BTW: I'm going to save this list so I don't have to type it
in again...
New Mouse cartoons
=== ===== ========
Apparently Disney has announced that the Roger Rabbit cartoons
they have made for theatres are now to be supplanted by new MM short
cartoons. I suppose they'll be "team" cartoons with MM/DD/GO, but I
have no basis for this guess... I'd sure rather see those than
literary adaptations, tho' I still like those... Someone on r-a-d
wrote that they hoped to see the Phantom Blot in the series, actually
mentioning Gottfredson by name (HURRAH!). I'd like to see him, too,
but not if DD and GO also appear in the same cartoon.
Anyway... it's about time!
Mickey laser discs
====== ===== =====
I just have gotten that laser disc set, "Mickey Mouse: The
Black-And-White Years Vol. 1". Many of the cartoons were used by
Gottfredson as the basis for stories or parts of stories. The prints
are beautiful, and all but one of the cartoons are uncut (the cut one
being "Steamboat Willie" and this due to an obvious SPLICE in their
NEGATIVE... the klutzes! I've written to them so they can correct
this in future pressings). Minor technical errors here and there in
their attempts to restore the original title frames to cartoons which
lacked them (they were re-released with different title cards, and
those prints are all that remain of many episodes). On the whole,
though, a fantastic collection, for a most un-mouse-like $124.95.
(I've been salting away money since last spring for the set... I'd
never normally be able to afford it.)
Just thought I'd recommend this superb product with a direct
tie-in to Gottfredson...
In closing
== =======
That was one of the doggonedest LONG letters that I ever
wrote! I haven't had so much to say in a long time, though, and I may
not again for a while (I can hear the cheering from here).
Your friend,
David Gerstein
"Ah! The languid bliss of autumn!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Wilmer Rivers
Pun in LOS
Message 134 -
1993-11-23 at 08:44:02
SPOILER ALERT!!! (I suppose; I haven't read LOS yet either!)
Jon C. Lorentzen writes:
> I believe I managed to discover a pun in the African part of the series,
> that was totally lost in the translation. I'm talking about
> when Scrooge helps Gloomheart up on his cart, Gloomheart says something
> like (Translated from Norwegian) "I am a Boer" and Scrooge answers
> "I'm sure I've met worse".
>
Now if instead of Gloomheart, the speaker had just been Angus McSwine,
then Scrooge could have responded "And I'm a duck!" :)
(Yes, this does bring to mind the enormously wealthy and famously named
Miss Ima Hogg of Houston, Texas, who was indeed very much a real-life
person. Just goes to show that sometimes the real world is stranger
than the comics...)
Wilmer Rivers
Jon C. Lorentzen writes:
> I believe I managed to discover a pun in the African part of the series,
> that was totally lost in the translation. I'm talking about
> when Scrooge helps Gloomheart up on his cart, Gloomheart says something
> like (Translated from Norwegian) "I am a Boer" and Scrooge answers
> "I'm sure I've met worse".
>
Now if instead of Gloomheart, the speaker had just been Angus McSwine,
then Scrooge could have responded "And I'm a duck!" :)
(Yes, this does bring to mind the enormously wealthy and famously named
Miss Ima Hogg of Houston, Texas, who was indeed very much a real-life
person. Just goes to show that sometimes the real world is stranger
than the comics...)
Wilmer Rivers
Mattias Hallin
Boer/bore-pun in Swedish
Message 135 -
1993-11-23 at 10:56:58
SPOILER WARNING!SPOILER WARNING!SPOILER WARNING!SPOILER WARNING!
Someone asked how the boer/bore pun in Lo$, Southafrican sequence, was handled
in the Swedish translation; the answer is "pretty well"!
This posed a problem for the translator, of course (I remember Stefan Di|s
moaning about it at that time! although as usual he enjoyed the challenge), and
what Stefan eventually came up with was this:
FG: "Jag {r boer!" (I'm a Boer)
U$: /aloud/ "Jaha?" (Oh?) /aside/ "Vad sa han? Bov?" (What did he say? Crook?)
It's not as "natural" or easy-flowing pun as the original, I don't think; it
might even be said to be just a teensy bit strained - the words "boer" and
"bov" really don't pronounce THAT similar in Swedish - but all in all it's an
honest attempt to solve an unsolvable problem; and I dare anyone to come up
with something better... I for one sure can't!
END OF SPOILER! END OF SPOILER! END OF SPOILER! END OF SPOILER!
All my quackinest!!!
Mattias
Someone asked how the boer/bore pun in Lo$, Southafrican sequence, was handled
in the Swedish translation; the answer is "pretty well"!
This posed a problem for the translator, of course (I remember Stefan Di|s
moaning about it at that time! although as usual he enjoyed the challenge), and
what Stefan eventually came up with was this:
FG: "Jag {r boer!" (I'm a Boer)
U$: /aloud/ "Jaha?" (Oh?) /aside/ "Vad sa han? Bov?" (What did he say? Crook?)
It's not as "natural" or easy-flowing pun as the original, I don't think; it
might even be said to be just a teensy bit strained - the words "boer" and
"bov" really don't pronounce THAT similar in Swedish - but all in all it's an
honest attempt to solve an unsolvable problem; and I dare anyone to come up
with something better... I for one sure can't!
END OF SPOILER! END OF SPOILER! END OF SPOILER! END OF SPOILER!
All my quackinest!!!
Mattias