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WILMER:
If my Lo$ series has appeared in the Egmont countries already,
why might it not appear in America? Does Disney hold Gladstone in
tighter control than they do Egmont? Buh-ruther, I'll say! Disney has no
control over Egmont whatsoever! Egmont commissions the script and art of
about 5000 pages of Disney comics every year and puts it into print
around the world and several other places, and Disney doesn't see a bit
of it until they receive their issues. Egmont acts as if they own the
comic book versions of the Disney characters, which is only right. That
would make more sense than for Disney to own material they never had
anything to do with. As long as Dell is gone, Egmont and Oberon and
Gladstone should share joint custody of the characters -- but the world
isn't always fair. But, at least Egmont can conduct business as if they
owned the characters.
Before Gladstone can print my stories, they must be sent to
Disney for approval and this is the first time anyone at Disney has seen
the stuff (since you KNOW nobody opens the issues that are sent to them
from the foreign publishers). And they then make a decision based on
their idea of how much grief they want from the American readership of
comics produced by Egmont and published by Gladstone. And if it's okay
in Europe, why would it not be okay in America? You must realize that we
live in the world's most crybaby, self-serving society where nobody has
a sense of humor or tolerance of anything that might even remotely
approach the edge of the fringe of the tip of a stereotype of something
that might, maybe, could be thought to refer to THEIR group.

HARRY:
I understand the problem GP (that's what I can call Oberon now?)
would have with my Family Tree. We probably covered this already... but
what are the last names that are used in the Netherlands for $crooge and
Grandma??? In America, $crooge's last name is (of course) McDuck, so he
MUST be from Donald's MOTHER'S side of the family. And Grandma's last
name is Duck, so she MUST be from Donald's FATHER'S side. It can be no
other way (ruling out divorces and remarriages or other inappropriate
ideas). How can it be any other way in Holland? Do $crooge and Grandma
and Donald all have the same last name? And even so, that would
necessitate the idea that Grandma's last name was Duck even before she
married someone ALSO named Duck. I just get very confused when people
tell me that anyone thinks $crooge and Grandma could be siblings.

PER:
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LASTLY--
Does anyone here know anything at all about a German comic
convention which will be held this June 2-5 in Nuremberg?

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DAVID:
Status of "The War of the Wendigo"? I have news for you. it has
been printed in North American comic books! It was in the edition of
DISNEY'S MUNDO MAGICO published for all areas of the Western Hemisphere
except Canada and the U.S. They even went to the trouble of finding a
cover with DD and HDL in their JWW suits in a canoe in the North-lookin'
woods. And with SPARKLE paint on the cover, too.
As for Gladstone, they'll just wait a while longer and then send
it in with a monthly load of stuff for approval. Probably a new guy will
see it this time and not feel like it will seriously harm relations with
Native Americans who wish to believe their people ARE enemies of the
environment and who are afraid that people will think they're all
midgets who hide in the woods.
By the way (and this is for everyone here) -- something you need
to remember about this Disney censoring business. Aside from the fact
they have no interest in the comics, there's another reason why they
MUST find stuff to censor. There are people whose job it is is to look
at the comics and find stuff to be ordered removed. If they DON'T FIND
something that needs to be removed, they are eliminating their own jobs!
They don't want the comics to seem like they don't NEED editting... they
MUST find something that they can save America from seeing so that they
have a reason to be employed.

HARRY:
Okay, back to Grandma: you ask why can't Grandma's name be
McDuck and her married name be Duck? No reason -- I only said that she
if her last name is Duck, then she MUST be from Donald's FATHER'S side
of the family. But in Holland is Grandma thought to be Donald's MOTHER?
If she is considered to be his grandmother, it wouldn't matter what her
last name was.
But the important question I was asking you was whether Grandma
and $crooge have the same last name in Holland, and you say they do.
Then, if she is DD's mother, she must have married another "Duck"; her
name is Elvira Duck-Duck, eh? If she is DD's grandmother, it would need
to be on his father's side ... but then $crooge wouldn't be DD's uncle.
In America, Grandma can't be a McDuck-turned-Duck unless (as you
want) she is DD's mother and U$'s scottish sister. Why can't this be
true? Well, I guess the only reason is that it's not the idea I ever got
from reading the American comics and it's not, as it turns out, Barks'
intention. She seems to clearly be DD's grandmother and to be of an old
American farm family with no particular relation to $crooge in the
stories. So that's the way I worked it.
Well, if one decides that grandma is not DD's grandma, I guess
that would open up other possibilities than the version I used. But then
you might as well decide that Gladstone isn't his cousin and $crooge
isn't his uncle and just do whatever you like.
I still maintain that the original version, Barks' version, the
version that seems apparent from reading the (American) comics, the
version I used is so much SIMPLER than any other. Everyone has TWO sides
to their family... a family tree must show that.
So, what WILL GP do when they get to my chapter where Grandma's
son marries $crooge's sister? They hafta do SOMETHING. What do you
expect they'll do?

ANDY:
You ask why Disney insists on censoring the comics if they have
no respect for them? Doesn't that question answer itself? If they HAD
respect for the comics, then they WOULDN'T censor things that might be
found offensive by one person in North America. But I think I answered
your question in the same Digest where it appeared -- Disney has no
interest in the contents of the comics... all they want is as little
trouble as possible from their publication. Disney is not interested in
"art". There was only one time in their history when they were
interested in "art" -- when they did FANTASIA. And it flopped and that
was the end of that.

PER:
I'm curious about these "unsubscribers". Do you ever hear any
reason why they unsubscribe unless it's due to some lack of time to read
these Digests? But even if they aren't reading them, aren't they getting
them for free (as long as they aren't on COMPUSERVE)? I mean, if they
were interested in a BBS concerning Disney comic art, what more could
they possibly want than what's going on here??? They know this is about
COMIC BOOKS when they subscribe, right? They knew this wasn't going to
be a bunch of pin-back button collectors here, right?

DAVID:

One censored cartoon that you didn't list is the original "Three Little
Pigs", where, as far as I've heard, one scene was censored and re-animated (for
then rather obvious reasons) already in the 40's -- the one, where in present
prints the Big Bad Wolf disguises himself as the Fuller Brush Man ("I work mah
way through college!"), was I believe originally a scene in which BBW dresses
up as the traditional stereotypical jewish peddlar, and puts on a traditional
stereotypical jiddisch accent. I've never seen this sequence, but the cut is
perfectly obvious, not least from the differing styles of animation.

Mattias

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I just found the following message on rec.arts.comics.misc, and
thought I'd forward it along to the list. Since its originator isn't
on the list, you should probably send replies to him; but I'm also
curious about the answers to his questions, so go ahead and CC the
list.

Thanks,
Joev (duck fan in training)
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: An Appeal to Duck Fans
From: walkerjo at mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joseph Walker)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 07:08:44 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

While browsing about this weekend I came across a book that I've never
encountered before, and I wondered if some Disney Duck fan out there
could provide info. It's called "Donald Duck: 50 Years of Happy
Frustration." It's hardcover and slipcased, and was shrinkwrapped
when I found it. Having fairly recently discovered what fun Donald
can be (especially when done by Carl Barks), I picked it up. Inside the
shrinkwrap, besides the book itself, there are:
*a slip of paper which declares the book to be #3313 of a "special
edition" of 5000;
*a piece of artwork on parchment of "The Duck Family Tree" with
"Wm Van Horn" written at the bottom;
*and three notes from Carl Barks, Clarence Nash, and Jack Hannah,
each addressed to "Bruce and Justin"

My questions:
*DId I get ripped off? I tend to think not. The bok itself
is handsome and well produced. I only paid $17.50, and I'm satisfied--
but I'd like to know exactly what I've got.
*Are these the actual signatures of Barks, Van Horn, Hannah, and
Nash? My cynical head says no, my collector's heart insists on thinking
"could be...."
*Who the hell are Bruce and Justin?

Any info appreciated, e-mail preferred.

Joe Walker
walkerjo at mentor.cc.purdue.edu

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Hi, Folks!

Don Rosa on censorship
======================

"By the way (and this is for everyone here) -- something you need
to remember about this Disney censoring business. Aside from the fact
they have no interest in the comics, there's another reason why they
MUST find stuff to censor. There are people whose job it is is to look
at the comics and find stuff to be ordered removed. If they DON'T FIND
something that needs to be removed, they are eliminating their own jobs!
They don't want the comics to seem like they don't NEED editting... they
MUST find something that they can save America from seeing so that they
have a reason to be employed."

But... but... you told us this a few weeks ago, didn't you?
Anyway, isn't it Russell Schroeder who's in charge of approving stuff?
He used to draw Gladstone covers, so it's a safe bet that telling
Gladstone what comics don't happen to be favorites of his isn't his
only job.

The Big Bad Jewish Wolf
=======================

Mattias: "One censored cartoon that you didn't list is the
original "Three Little Pigs", where, as far as I've heard, one scene
was censored and re-animated (for then rather obvious reasons)
already in the 40's -- the one, where in present prints the Big Bad
Wolf disguises himself as the Fuller Brush Man ("I work mah way
through college!"), was I believe originally a scene in which BBW
dresses up as the traditional stereotypical jewish peddlar, and puts
on a traditional stereotypical jiddisch accent. I've never seen this
sequence, but the cut is perfectly obvious, not least from the
differing styles of animation."

Actually, Mattias, I believe this was only redubbed, not
reanimated -- or if there was new animation done, it certainly isn't
from the part where the wolf speaks. In the print I've seen the
wolf's voice on the soundtrack says:

"I'm the Fuller Brush Man. I work me way through college!"

Whereas the wolf's LIPS on the SCREEN say:

"I'm the Fuller Brush Man. I .. [??] .. a free semple."

I once saw a 1933 Disney book of TLP and this was the line the
Wolf had in this sequence. His costume in even the earliest Disney
book versions for this scene looks just as it does in the rerelease --
leading me to believe that this scene was not reanimated, but that a
CUT was made in the action -- presumably the wolf shrugged or did some
other stereotyped "Jewish" gesture, which was removed -- and the
animation is original aside from that.

I'm Jewish myself, and perhaps the cartoon I'd like to own the
most is the original version of "The Three Little Pigs."

Joseph Walker's DD 50 Years of Happy Frustration
================================================

This book was made by Justin Knowles in 1984 for DD's 50th
birthday, and produced in Britain. I believe that Another Rainbow had
something to do with it, because they were listed as importers, or
something, for the book in Books in Print! (Though there was no
notification of AR in the book itself) Meanwhile, back in Britain,
the first few thousand printed copies were set aside for later sales
as a limited edition.

Disney Publishing went about this sale in 1992, making new
slipcases for the books (which had been since imported), and having
William Van Horn do a picture of the Duck Family to package with it.
There's something that's not in our list... BTW this is a JOKE, not a
real "family tree" because it's just a picture of the Ducks --
including Flintheart and Magica -- sitting in a tree in a posed shot.
The ducks are in no real "age-grouped" order either.

BTW I think this is Van Horn's BEST Duck drawing of all time.

Now for the other stuff that you mentioned... I don't mean to
be picky, but it sounds like the three notes, presumably to Bruce
Hamilton and Justin Knowles, REALLY ARE from Barks, Hannah, and yes,
Nash! This sounds like this was a PRESENTATION copy put together in
England which never was sent out and got mixed up with the copies that
were used for the limited edition!

If the signatures seem real on these letters, it's a fair bet.
This could be "worth" over $1000 to drooling collectors.

This bears looking into... just don't expect me to do it since
I don't know where to begin!

Your friend,

David (Don't get your hopes up!)
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>

Source: Comics Buyer's Guide #1055 February 4, 1994 p.108 (back cover)

REORDER UPDATE

One of the things Gladstone used to do during our original album
series (which ran 1987-1989) was reproduce Miniature versions of the front
covers of all then-available albums on the back covers. Readers really
appreciated being able to see at a glance what volumes had been published
and were therefore currently available for ordering ither from their comic
chop or directly from Gladstone. When we initiated The Carl Barks Library
in Color album project, however, we were back to square one and felt that
emphasizing the immediately upcoming album on the back cover would sever
better than running a bare handful of miniature front covers of previous
volumes. This proved to be the case for our initial releases, but things
have now advanced to the point that the miniature cover concept has equal
if not greater merit.

WE ARE NOW RESUMING THIS PRACTICE!

This will not only allow for more attractive and informative back
covers on all future volumes in the various series that comprise The Carl
Barks Library in Color--as well as reprints of previous volumes--but give
all of our present and future readers and their retailers the opportunity
to find out quickly and easily just what's been published to date.
There is another reason we are making this change: as we have
mentioned in previous ads, word seems to be circulating in the marketplace
that certain volumes in Carl Barks Library in Color are no longer
available. This is emphatically not true. The back covers of our albums
will now underline this point: any album represented by a miniature front
cover on the back cover of any album may be ordered by our readers from
their retailers, and retailers may back order them from their
distributors. This is not for a limited time; all albums are and will
remain in print.

The Carl Barks Library in Color

There are currently two monthly series: The Carl Barks Library of
Walt Disney's Comics and Stories in Color, collecting Barks' Walt Disney's
Comics and Stories ten pagers, and The Carl Barks Library of Donald Duck
Adventures in Color, compiling Bark's long Donald Duck tales from the
Donald Duck Four Colors, and regular comic book series. (A special
nine-volume series presenting Uncle Scrooge one pagers, Donald Duck
giveaway Christmas stories, and Gyro Gearloose solo tales has just been
completed.) All volumes are 8 1/2" x 11" and feature brand new full
computer color, articles and special features.

[black and white photo of The Carl Barks Library of Donald Duck Adventures
in Color]

* This area [left margin] of the front cover banner on each volume of The
Carl Barks Library of Donald Duck Adventures in Color will feature
miniature representations of the one, two, or three covers of the comics
in which the stories made their original appearances. The actual front
cover of each album is a brand new design created from Barks panel art
extracted from one of the stories in that album.