>From: David A Gerstein <David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu>
> In two scenes I had the angry Don refer to the kids as
>"infants" and "microbes" which was changed to simply "boys". I have
>no idea why this was done. Scrooge's use of the comment "feh" was
>changed to "phooey", "oh, so?" became "oh, yeah?" and Donald's use
>of "avast" became "ahoy" (the last two were Disney's requests, I had
>thought John was going to override them... were the other things
>Disney's doing as well?)
It's funny that "oh, so?" was removed - after I read the story, one of
the things I thought was, "Hey! There was no 'Oh, so?' in that story!
I guess David forgot it..." In all of the above mentioned changes, I
preferred the originals to the changed versions. They seem to have
more punch.
Author
Topic: 199401
(189 messages)
Mark Semich
DDA 25
Message 151 -
1994-01-24 at 01:53:18
David A Gerstein
Disney-comics digest #221.
Message 152 -
1994-01-24 at 02:56:31
Hi, Folks!
Gary said: "Manpower is the #2 reason Gladstone cannot
publish much of what deservedly should be published of Gottfredson's
Mickey. The simple gruntwork it takes to make most of the art
publishable, particularly by today's printing standards, is simply
beyond our powers today."
This sounds right, but then how is it in Gladstone's powers to
do that gruntwork with Taliaferro's Sunday strips? Or the two
Gottfredson Sundays in D&M 20 which HADN'T been reprinted anywhere
before?
Another easy way to use Gottfredson stuff is to order the old
Western versions. From WDC&S 81-85 "The Gleam" was published
complete, and in MM BIRTHDAY PARTY 1 (1953) "Love Trouble" got the
same treatment. I can't say that Dell ever printed any *other*
Gottfredson stories so completely (there are some panels dropped here
and there in others that they printed), but there's two at least.
As for the others, both GP (ex-Oberon) and Mondadori have used
loads of Gottfredson stuff, reformatting it themselves. They'd be
quite willing to let you use it as with their own stories. All Gladstone
would have to do there is restore the dialog. Bruce Hamilton owns a
set of the complete Gottfredson as published by Horst Schroeder in
Germany -- he told me that himself. All you'd need to do is take the
set, Xerox the dialog, and paste it in. That'd be no longer a job
than lettering a foreign story -- in fact it'd take *less* time, since
Xeroxing 26 pages worth of dialog takes less time than to letter it.
(I assume you can't just use the strips themselves from
Horst's collections -- presumably the art isn't quite up to Disney's
proof quality, having been made from newspapers as opposed to proofs.
But you could indeed use the text, as you did with the Duck stories
"Race to the South Seas" and "Darkest Africa". It was clear that the
dialog had been photocopied and pasted into the foreign re-inked
versions for those two stories, and I sure didn't mind that.)
Disney has a lot of old proofs to MM dailies and Sundays in
their Burbank vaults... bound into books, but falling apart. Is this
the source for the proofs they always used to send you? Disney also
has negatives to the strips, all much cleaner than the versions I saw
in those books (which are often browned with age, and covered with
little specks). When they printed such stories as "Circus Roustabout"
(WDC&S 585), they had the stories made from their negatives. Sounds
like you used to be sent copies made from their bound proofs.
This may sound naive, but how did Disney manage to afford "new"
Gottfredson strips in WDC&S 580, 581, 582, 583, and 585 when you
cannot? I was under the impression you had a bigger budget than
post-cutdown Disney, but maybe I'm wrong... KICK me if I'm wrong!
A few years ago Germany's Ehapa published "In Search of Jungle
Treasure" as a supplement to their weekly. This may have been taken
from an Italian product, because I've seen a much larger, but
basically very similarly-formatted, comic from Italy with "Island in
the Sky." In both cases the strips are printed in their original
format, completely cleaned-up, and reading lengthwise (comic is bound
so it opens with pages rightside up, much wider than they are tall).
The Italian "Island in the Sky" is in black-and-white, while the
German "Jungle Treasure" is in color, but it looked to me like the
German thing was just a reduced-size version of the Italian, which
someone had colored.
In this case, the Italian version isn't a cut-up version a la
Mondadori's big white books, either; both of these reprints have not
altered anything in the word balloons -- even the SHAPES of the word
balloons are original. Maybe the project didn't start in Italy...
but who knows?
What I'm trying to say is that cleaned-up Gottfredson should
be available to Gladstone with no more work than ordering and putting
together a foreign Duck story.
* * * * *
On another front, regarding "Son of the Sun":
"It may have attained a status sufficient to shield it from
censorship, especially as Gladstone published it twice already,
but I dunno..."
Is status important? You were just talking about how the very
Taliaferro strip that introduces HDL, their first appearance ANYWHERE
by the one man who created them, is now BANNED -- even WITH changes,
it seems! I'm thinking about writing Russell Schroeder about this,
and if enough of us *do*, that strip will get un-banned VERY fast.
(If I do write to Mr. Schroeder, I will NOT imply that anyone
at Gladstone told me the strip was banned -- I'll just bring up the
letter column where Gary Gabner mentioned that the strips that
wouldn't be published were ones Disney had banned, and then say how
from that I deduced... etc., etc., when reading DD 283. That's how I
*did* deduce it, anyway, long before anyone at Gladstone told me
anything about the situation.)
Anyone with me on this? (I'm gonna wait for responses before
I write my letter...)
That's all for now...
Yours,
David Gerstein
"SO! Will Patrolio de Balonio de Donald Ducko PAY for his
Christmas dinner, or will he wash dishes in MY kitchen?"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Gary said: "Manpower is the #2 reason Gladstone cannot
publish much of what deservedly should be published of Gottfredson's
Mickey. The simple gruntwork it takes to make most of the art
publishable, particularly by today's printing standards, is simply
beyond our powers today."
This sounds right, but then how is it in Gladstone's powers to
do that gruntwork with Taliaferro's Sunday strips? Or the two
Gottfredson Sundays in D&M 20 which HADN'T been reprinted anywhere
before?
Another easy way to use Gottfredson stuff is to order the old
Western versions. From WDC&S 81-85 "The Gleam" was published
complete, and in MM BIRTHDAY PARTY 1 (1953) "Love Trouble" got the
same treatment. I can't say that Dell ever printed any *other*
Gottfredson stories so completely (there are some panels dropped here
and there in others that they printed), but there's two at least.
As for the others, both GP (ex-Oberon) and Mondadori have used
loads of Gottfredson stuff, reformatting it themselves. They'd be
quite willing to let you use it as with their own stories. All Gladstone
would have to do there is restore the dialog. Bruce Hamilton owns a
set of the complete Gottfredson as published by Horst Schroeder in
Germany -- he told me that himself. All you'd need to do is take the
set, Xerox the dialog, and paste it in. That'd be no longer a job
than lettering a foreign story -- in fact it'd take *less* time, since
Xeroxing 26 pages worth of dialog takes less time than to letter it.
(I assume you can't just use the strips themselves from
Horst's collections -- presumably the art isn't quite up to Disney's
proof quality, having been made from newspapers as opposed to proofs.
But you could indeed use the text, as you did with the Duck stories
"Race to the South Seas" and "Darkest Africa". It was clear that the
dialog had been photocopied and pasted into the foreign re-inked
versions for those two stories, and I sure didn't mind that.)
Disney has a lot of old proofs to MM dailies and Sundays in
their Burbank vaults... bound into books, but falling apart. Is this
the source for the proofs they always used to send you? Disney also
has negatives to the strips, all much cleaner than the versions I saw
in those books (which are often browned with age, and covered with
little specks). When they printed such stories as "Circus Roustabout"
(WDC&S 585), they had the stories made from their negatives. Sounds
like you used to be sent copies made from their bound proofs.
This may sound naive, but how did Disney manage to afford "new"
Gottfredson strips in WDC&S 580, 581, 582, 583, and 585 when you
cannot? I was under the impression you had a bigger budget than
post-cutdown Disney, but maybe I'm wrong... KICK me if I'm wrong!
A few years ago Germany's Ehapa published "In Search of Jungle
Treasure" as a supplement to their weekly. This may have been taken
from an Italian product, because I've seen a much larger, but
basically very similarly-formatted, comic from Italy with "Island in
the Sky." In both cases the strips are printed in their original
format, completely cleaned-up, and reading lengthwise (comic is bound
so it opens with pages rightside up, much wider than they are tall).
The Italian "Island in the Sky" is in black-and-white, while the
German "Jungle Treasure" is in color, but it looked to me like the
German thing was just a reduced-size version of the Italian, which
someone had colored.
In this case, the Italian version isn't a cut-up version a la
Mondadori's big white books, either; both of these reprints have not
altered anything in the word balloons -- even the SHAPES of the word
balloons are original. Maybe the project didn't start in Italy...
but who knows?
What I'm trying to say is that cleaned-up Gottfredson should
be available to Gladstone with no more work than ordering and putting
together a foreign Duck story.
* * * * *
On another front, regarding "Son of the Sun":
"It may have attained a status sufficient to shield it from
censorship, especially as Gladstone published it twice already,
but I dunno..."
Is status important? You were just talking about how the very
Taliaferro strip that introduces HDL, their first appearance ANYWHERE
by the one man who created them, is now BANNED -- even WITH changes,
it seems! I'm thinking about writing Russell Schroeder about this,
and if enough of us *do*, that strip will get un-banned VERY fast.
(If I do write to Mr. Schroeder, I will NOT imply that anyone
at Gladstone told me the strip was banned -- I'll just bring up the
letter column where Gary Gabner mentioned that the strips that
wouldn't be published were ones Disney had banned, and then say how
from that I deduced... etc., etc., when reading DD 283. That's how I
*did* deduce it, anyway, long before anyone at Gladstone told me
anything about the situation.)
Anyone with me on this? (I'm gonna wait for responses before
I write my letter...)
That's all for now...
Yours,
David Gerstein
"SO! Will Patrolio de Balonio de Donald Ducko PAY for his
Christmas dinner, or will he wash dishes in MY kitchen?"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Tryg Helseth
The Big Bad Jewish Wolf
Message 153 -
1994-01-24 at 03:02:35
On Sun, 23 Jan 1994 14:23:58 -0500, David A Gerstein wrote:
> Please, Tryg, not GerNstein! So many people think of Leonard
>Bernstein when they hear my name and then throw in that extra N! Fer
>gosh sakes! ;-) Anyway, I'll let it slide this time. But next
>time.... hee! hee! hee!
>
> "What's that, Boss?"
>
> "Shut up, Ratface!" >WHACK!<
Well OK, if you're going to call out Magica I'll make a special effort to
leave out at least one of those n's... :)
>crack we hear a Jewish Klezmer (sp?) band playing. However, there
>seems to be a jump in the music after he speaks, suggesting that
>something was indeed removed, and smoothed over with a BIT of new
>animation. The melody goes this way:
>
> G F Eb D C D Eb G F G Ab F G
> >Cut?< F G Ab F G
>
> It would seem that perhaps the entire tune played through
>twice originally, but that the first half was cut for the reissue when
>the animation was changed. Tryg, might you be able to listen closely
>and see if you hear that melody the way I have it, or if it's more
>elaborate, on your tape?
Well I listened to both versions repetedly but didn't detect any
difference in the length of the two pieces of music. In both cases the
pieces start immediately after Practial asks, "who's there?" They both
end immediately after the wolf finishes his pitch and just before
Practical says "thank you!" The melody seemed different than what you
depicted above, but I couldn't tell you what notes were played. (It almost
seemed like the same sequence of notes that you show, but starting and
finishing at different points...)
One thing I did notice after listening to those peices over and over, was
that Zeke was pronouncing "away" as "g'way" so the second sentence of his
pitch is "I'm giving g'way free sample."
If I get really ambitious, I'll reconnect my tape recorder to the stereo
and try playing both soundtracks simultaneously in different channels.
Don't hold your breath on me doing that, though...
> No wonder the Wolf never wanted to join Li'l Bad in
>celebrating Christmas!
That's for sure! But, now I'm beginning to wonder about his obsession for
pork! :)
Tryg Helseth <trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu> Minneapolis, MN, USA
or <tryg.helseth at tstation.mn.org>
"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes
> Please, Tryg, not GerNstein! So many people think of Leonard
>Bernstein when they hear my name and then throw in that extra N! Fer
>gosh sakes! ;-) Anyway, I'll let it slide this time. But next
>time.... hee! hee! hee!
>
> "What's that, Boss?"
>
> "Shut up, Ratface!" >WHACK!<
Well OK, if you're going to call out Magica I'll make a special effort to
leave out at least one of those n's... :)
>crack we hear a Jewish Klezmer (sp?) band playing. However, there
>seems to be a jump in the music after he speaks, suggesting that
>something was indeed removed, and smoothed over with a BIT of new
>animation. The melody goes this way:
>
> G F Eb D C D Eb G F G Ab F G
> >Cut?< F G Ab F G
>
> It would seem that perhaps the entire tune played through
>twice originally, but that the first half was cut for the reissue when
>the animation was changed. Tryg, might you be able to listen closely
>and see if you hear that melody the way I have it, or if it's more
>elaborate, on your tape?
Well I listened to both versions repetedly but didn't detect any
difference in the length of the two pieces of music. In both cases the
pieces start immediately after Practial asks, "who's there?" They both
end immediately after the wolf finishes his pitch and just before
Practical says "thank you!" The melody seemed different than what you
depicted above, but I couldn't tell you what notes were played. (It almost
seemed like the same sequence of notes that you show, but starting and
finishing at different points...)
One thing I did notice after listening to those peices over and over, was
that Zeke was pronouncing "away" as "g'way" so the second sentence of his
pitch is "I'm giving g'way free sample."
If I get really ambitious, I'll reconnect my tape recorder to the stereo
and try playing both soundtracks simultaneously in different channels.
Don't hold your breath on me doing that, though...
> No wonder the Wolf never wanted to join Li'l Bad in
>celebrating Christmas!
That's for sure! But, now I'm beginning to wonder about his obsession for
pork! :)
Tryg Helseth <trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu> Minneapolis, MN, USA
or <tryg.helseth at tstation.mn.org>
"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes
David A Gerstein
The Big Bad Jewish Wolf
Message 154 -
1994-01-24 at 03:06:19
Dear Folks,
Here's my answer to a letter Wilmer sent me before. I can't
send it directly to him because I accidentally deleted his original
letter, and don't have his address.
* * * * *
Dear Wilmer,
>Hmmmmmm.... Is there a kosher way to eat 3 pigs?
*BURP!* ...er... no. (That's the third one down... heh, heh.)
Your well-fed pal,
David
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
* * * * *
Here's my answer to a letter Wilmer sent me before. I can't
send it directly to him because I accidentally deleted his original
letter, and don't have his address.
* * * * *
Dear Wilmer,
>Hmmmmmm.... Is there a kosher way to eat 3 pigs?
*BURP!* ...er... no. (That's the third one down... heh, heh.)
Your well-fed pal,
David
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
* * * * *
Fredrik Ekman
Indonesia
Message 155 -
1994-01-24 at 06:11:38
Gary wrote:
>Egmont isn't entirely unconstrained by Disney, but what you said pretty much
>hit the proverbial nail a smart rap. Several years ago I heard that Indonesia
>(I think it was Indonesia) nationalized the Disney characters, claiming they
>were the property of the people of that country and so not subject to the
>dictates of The Walt Disney Company as to their use in that country. It was a
>fascinating bit of hearsay, but I never heard any more about it. Has anyone
>else?
I haven't heard anything about this before, but I do as a matter of fact
happen to own a couple of Indonesian "Donal Bebek" (Donald Duck) comic
books. Gary; do you know anything about when this supposed "nationali-
zation" was?
Unfortunately those comics are at my parents' home, but unless anyone
provides any additional info before I visit them next time (in about two
weeks, if all goes as planned), I'll check them out to see if anything can
be deduced from them.
I'm afraid I haven't practised my Indonesian properly lately, so I can't
actually read them, but I can look for copyright messages or the like.
Also, Mattias' brother Jakob happens to have one Indonesian "Donal Bebek"
in NAFS(k)'s comic library. It is Jakob who is in charge of that, right?
Perhaps Mattias will be able to check that one before I can get to mine?
/F
>Egmont isn't entirely unconstrained by Disney, but what you said pretty much
>hit the proverbial nail a smart rap. Several years ago I heard that Indonesia
>(I think it was Indonesia) nationalized the Disney characters, claiming they
>were the property of the people of that country and so not subject to the
>dictates of The Walt Disney Company as to their use in that country. It was a
>fascinating bit of hearsay, but I never heard any more about it. Has anyone
>else?
I haven't heard anything about this before, but I do as a matter of fact
happen to own a couple of Indonesian "Donal Bebek" (Donald Duck) comic
books. Gary; do you know anything about when this supposed "nationali-
zation" was?
Unfortunately those comics are at my parents' home, but unless anyone
provides any additional info before I visit them next time (in about two
weeks, if all goes as planned), I'll check them out to see if anything can
be deduced from them.
I'm afraid I haven't practised my Indonesian properly lately, so I can't
actually read them, but I can look for copyright messages or the like.
Also, Mattias' brother Jakob happens to have one Indonesian "Donal Bebek"
in NAFS(k)'s comic library. It is Jakob who is in charge of that, right?
Perhaps Mattias will be able to check that one before I can get to mine?
/F
Mattias Hallin
Big Bad Jewish Wolf...again!
Message 156 -
1994-01-24 at 15:47:56
DAVID et al.:
I spent an instructive half hour this week-end with the
videoplayer and my copy of Three Little Pigs... and this videoplayer has a
jog/shuttle function, so I've watched the "Fuller Brush Man" sequence backwards
and forwards, one frame at a time -- and these are my conclusions:
YES! There is IMHO a distinct cut in the animation, indicating VERY STRONGLY
that at least major parts of this sequence as we see it today has been
added/exchanged at a later date than the original animation. These indications
are e.g. the appearance of the Wolf himself, and also the colouring and minute
appearance of the background, as well as the general styles of animation.
The changes are most clearly visible at the very end of the sequence,
just when he says "Then I'll huff and I'll puff...etc." -- at that point there
is a clear cut, where the shot changes from a full view to a half view of the
Wolf's upper body. Here, one can clearly see that in the NEWER animation, the
Wolf has a sturdier body, a longer AND whiter-coloured snout and less slanted
eyes than in the OLDER. Also, there is a distinct change in the quality of the
colour in the background, while several objects in the background also changes
colour: the Wolf's disguise-hat gets a grey hatband added, the brush on the
ground behind the Wolf changes from grey to yellow, while a brush in the
foreground goes from brown to green...
Also, although this is a more subtle point, and more of a matter of opinion, I'd
say that the STYLE of animation differs too -- that the additions are smoother
and the original animation jerkier...
As far as I could make out, though, there is indeed a difference between what
the wolf SAYS, and what his lips seem to say... ("read my lips..." Yeah.)
Mattias
I spent an instructive half hour this week-end with the
videoplayer and my copy of Three Little Pigs... and this videoplayer has a
jog/shuttle function, so I've watched the "Fuller Brush Man" sequence backwards
and forwards, one frame at a time -- and these are my conclusions:
YES! There is IMHO a distinct cut in the animation, indicating VERY STRONGLY
that at least major parts of this sequence as we see it today has been
added/exchanged at a later date than the original animation. These indications
are e.g. the appearance of the Wolf himself, and also the colouring and minute
appearance of the background, as well as the general styles of animation.
The changes are most clearly visible at the very end of the sequence,
just when he says "Then I'll huff and I'll puff...etc." -- at that point there
is a clear cut, where the shot changes from a full view to a half view of the
Wolf's upper body. Here, one can clearly see that in the NEWER animation, the
Wolf has a sturdier body, a longer AND whiter-coloured snout and less slanted
eyes than in the OLDER. Also, there is a distinct change in the quality of the
colour in the background, while several objects in the background also changes
colour: the Wolf's disguise-hat gets a grey hatband added, the brush on the
ground behind the Wolf changes from grey to yellow, while a brush in the
foreground goes from brown to green...
Also, although this is a more subtle point, and more of a matter of opinion, I'd
say that the STYLE of animation differs too -- that the additions are smoother
and the original animation jerkier...
As far as I could make out, though, there is indeed a difference between what
the wolf SAYS, and what his lips seem to say... ("read my lips..." Yeah.)
Mattias
Per Starback
News at the ftp archive
Message 157 -
1994-01-26 at 01:00:12
Fredrik has sent me new versions of the Van Horn index (van-horn) and
the list of the names of Disney characters in lots of languages
(characters/interlingual) and Harry has sent me a new version of the
Don Rosa index (don-rosa). They are now at the ftp archive. (At
ftp.lysator.liu.se:pub/comics/disney/... as usual.)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
the list of the names of Disney characters in lots of languages
(characters/interlingual) and Harry has sent me a new version of the
Don Rosa index (don-rosa). They are now at the ftp archive. (At
ftp.lysator.liu.se:pub/comics/disney/... as usual.)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Even Flood
Ugly duckling seeks kind home
Message 158 -
1994-01-26 at 11:17:41
Here is a tale of woe.
Some weeks before Christmas I was in London.
I tried to find somewhere they had Disney comics.
It was not easy.
Finally I found a large book with Disney stuff in a small kiosk in
Queensway.
Only one snag.
It was in Arabic. Letters in Arabic, all series reads from right to
left and so on. I could not read it.
Well, I said, surely this is a nice esoteric gift for my friend
Geir Hasnes who, I am sure, does not have any Arabic version in his vast
collection.
So I bought it and gave it to Geir as a Christmas present.
Geir is a nice fellow.
He said nothing.
Till now.
Yesterday he sent it back with the following note:
Dear Even
It is nice to get gifts, but this stuff is the most
gruesome thing I have seen of Disney products. And as
I have very limited space I will say thank you for showing
it to me and may it have a better owner than me.
Geir
So there it is, folks. Ugly duckling free for whomever wants
him. Only condition, treat him nicely.
First mailed, first served.
Even
Some weeks before Christmas I was in London.
I tried to find somewhere they had Disney comics.
It was not easy.
Finally I found a large book with Disney stuff in a small kiosk in
Queensway.
Only one snag.
It was in Arabic. Letters in Arabic, all series reads from right to
left and so on. I could not read it.
Well, I said, surely this is a nice esoteric gift for my friend
Geir Hasnes who, I am sure, does not have any Arabic version in his vast
collection.
So I bought it and gave it to Geir as a Christmas present.
Geir is a nice fellow.
He said nothing.
Till now.
Yesterday he sent it back with the following note:
Dear Even
It is nice to get gifts, but this stuff is the most
gruesome thing I have seen of Disney products. And as
I have very limited space I will say thank you for showing
it to me and may it have a better owner than me.
Geir
So there it is, folks. Ugly duckling free for whomever wants
him. Only condition, treat him nicely.
First mailed, first served.
Even
Topi Ylinen
The Gladstone CB series...
Message 159 -
1994-01-26 at 12:13:02
I have been collecting the Gladstone series of color albums (...stories
by Carl Barks), but I recently noticed something rather disturbing:
In the series, all Carl Barks stories published in "Donald Duck" (or was
it some other magazine) will be reprinted.
I thought Carl's stories were originally printed in more than just one
comic book.
DOES THIS MEAN THE GLADSTONE SERIES WILL *NOT* COVER ALL OF BARKS' DUCK
STORIES?
Please answer me ASAP... I don't think I'll go on buying those albums (they
are damn expensive here in Finland) if they are not a comprehensive collection
of Barks' stories...
topi
by Carl Barks), but I recently noticed something rather disturbing:
In the series, all Carl Barks stories published in "Donald Duck" (or was
it some other magazine) will be reprinted.
I thought Carl's stories were originally printed in more than just one
comic book.
DOES THIS MEAN THE GLADSTONE SERIES WILL *NOT* COVER ALL OF BARKS' DUCK
STORIES?
Please answer me ASAP... I don't think I'll go on buying those albums (they
are damn expensive here in Finland) if they are not a comprehensive collection
of Barks' stories...
topi
Mattias Hallin
A Message From Me!
Message 160 -
1994-01-26 at 15:41:46
TO MY AMERICAN FRIENDS:
It does seem very likely (knock, knock... things can yet
go wrong!) that I'm coming to the US this summer -- one of the bands I'm
playing with has been invited to play at the "Bix Beiderbecke Memorial
Festival" in Davenport, Iowa, last week-end in July; and since I hope to have
the moola to do a few things besides, while I'm over there (and, having fond
memories of American breakfasts, pr'bly overfed too...), I'm thinking I might
-- if it's OK with whomever -- just possibly, if all plans etc. come off, look
a few of you up, if I happen to pass by any particular vicinity.
I know nothing much more definite right now, but my preliminary plans are to
rent a car, probably together with another guy from the band, and just go see
things, as far as time and money allows it.
So -- if anyone thinks the idea of a visiting Swede or two for a day or so is an
not entirely nauseating/bearable/fairly nice/downright, dad-blasted GOOD idea
(pick yer choice!!!), why not let me know it?!
See ya' -- maybe!?!
Mattias
It does seem very likely (knock, knock... things can yet
go wrong!) that I'm coming to the US this summer -- one of the bands I'm
playing with has been invited to play at the "Bix Beiderbecke Memorial
Festival" in Davenport, Iowa, last week-end in July; and since I hope to have
the moola to do a few things besides, while I'm over there (and, having fond
memories of American breakfasts, pr'bly overfed too...), I'm thinking I might
-- if it's OK with whomever -- just possibly, if all plans etc. come off, look
a few of you up, if I happen to pass by any particular vicinity.
I know nothing much more definite right now, but my preliminary plans are to
rent a car, probably together with another guy from the band, and just go see
things, as far as time and money allows it.
So -- if anyone thinks the idea of a visiting Swede or two for a day or so is an
not entirely nauseating/bearable/fairly nice/downright, dad-blasted GOOD idea
(pick yer choice!!!), why not let me know it?!
See ya' -- maybe!?!
Mattias
Fredrik Ekman
Ugly duckling seeks kind home
Message 161 -
1994-01-26 at 17:06:54
Even wrote:
> Here is a tale of woe.
>
> Some weeks before Christmas I was in London.
>
[Long sad story about finding Arabian Disney comics in London deleted]
Yeah. That sounds just like London.
I was there last summer, and one of the first things I stumbled upon
was some issue of a weekly Mickey Mouse that featured not only "The
Bees Have It" by William Van Horn, but also one of Jippes' re-drawn
JW stories. However, the only copy at that store was quite battered,
so I decided to find a better one.
Really stupid idea.
For three whole days I searched. Well, I didn't ONLY do that, but
whenever I passed a store that seemed even remotely likely to carry
Disney mags, I dived in to check them out. Even at the comic department
of Virgin Megastore (one of the very few comic shops I found) they
only had the Gladstone albums. And when I finally did find another
English Mickey, it was a new issue. No Van Horn. No Jippes.
And this leads me to a question to our English member: How on earth
can them Fleetway, or whatever their name, survive in a country where
noone sells their comics? Why, judging from my own experiences, this
even seemed worse than US! In the US, there will at least BE a comic
shop somewhere along the road. And, most probably, somewhere in that
comic shop there will be a few Disneys in some dusty corner. But in
England, I didn't even see that.
/F
> Here is a tale of woe.
>
> Some weeks before Christmas I was in London.
>
[Long sad story about finding Arabian Disney comics in London deleted]
Yeah. That sounds just like London.
I was there last summer, and one of the first things I stumbled upon
was some issue of a weekly Mickey Mouse that featured not only "The
Bees Have It" by William Van Horn, but also one of Jippes' re-drawn
JW stories. However, the only copy at that store was quite battered,
so I decided to find a better one.
Really stupid idea.
For three whole days I searched. Well, I didn't ONLY do that, but
whenever I passed a store that seemed even remotely likely to carry
Disney mags, I dived in to check them out. Even at the comic department
of Virgin Megastore (one of the very few comic shops I found) they
only had the Gladstone albums. And when I finally did find another
English Mickey, it was a new issue. No Van Horn. No Jippes.
And this leads me to a question to our English member: How on earth
can them Fleetway, or whatever their name, survive in a country where
noone sells their comics? Why, judging from my own experiences, this
even seemed worse than US! In the US, there will at least BE a comic
shop somewhere along the road. And, most probably, somewhere in that
comic shop there will be a few Disneys in some dusty corner. But in
England, I didn't even see that.
/F
Charles D. Ellis
Gladstone albums
Message 162 -
1994-01-26 at 18:12:22
In re Topi's question concerning Gladstone color albums:
There are all the Uncle Scrooge Barks One-pagers in 2 volumes.
This set was published lat year.
Recently, the last volume of 6 Gyro Gearloose albums was put out
about 2 months ago.
The 10-pagers from WDC&S are being collected. Volume 22 (?) of 54 was
put out last month.
They have announced a complete $crooge set and a set for other
Donald stories. Overall, the intent is clearly to publish the Barks opus.
Back in the late 70s, a Barks fan who had a complete
set (worth over $8000 BACK THEN!) decided not to keep adding
wear to his comics whenever he wanted to re-read or consult them,
so he painstakingly over the next three years color xeroxed the
whole set in chronological order for a reference copy. A Black&White
regular xerox set was made for me along with the color. I paid
10cents/page for every page CB ever did (known up to that time)
including Barney Bear, FireStone giveaways, censored Glittering
Goldie, the whole nine yards.
Now I have to pay for it all over again at more than 10cents/page,
but at least it's in color and on double-sided pages! Still, it
does seem wierd to be re-collecting this stuff. Maybe I should just
color in the xeroxes myself!
Charlie Ellis
cde at aplexus.jhuapl.edu
There are all the Uncle Scrooge Barks One-pagers in 2 volumes.
This set was published lat year.
Recently, the last volume of 6 Gyro Gearloose albums was put out
about 2 months ago.
The 10-pagers from WDC&S are being collected. Volume 22 (?) of 54 was
put out last month.
They have announced a complete $crooge set and a set for other
Donald stories. Overall, the intent is clearly to publish the Barks opus.
Back in the late 70s, a Barks fan who had a complete
set (worth over $8000 BACK THEN!) decided not to keep adding
wear to his comics whenever he wanted to re-read or consult them,
so he painstakingly over the next three years color xeroxed the
whole set in chronological order for a reference copy. A Black&White
regular xerox set was made for me along with the color. I paid
10cents/page for every page CB ever did (known up to that time)
including Barney Bear, FireStone giveaways, censored Glittering
Goldie, the whole nine yards.
Now I have to pay for it all over again at more than 10cents/page,
but at least it's in color and on double-sided pages! Still, it
does seem wierd to be re-collecting this stuff. Maybe I should just
color in the xeroxes myself!
Charlie Ellis
cde at aplexus.jhuapl.edu
Mark Mayerson
Some questions
Message 163 -
1994-01-26 at 18:49:15
Here's some questions.
GARY LEACH:
What parts of the Another Rainbow Carl Barks Library are not going to be
reprinted in the Gladstone Carl Barks Library? Does Gladstone have plans
to print the Barks Mickey story in a regular comic like Comics and Stories?
ANYBODY:
What is Dan Jippes doing at Amblin'?
In Europe, what percentage of the Disney comics readership are girls? I note
that most of the contributors to this list are male. In North America,
boys outnumber girls as comics fans. Is this also true in Europe?
A WARNING:
I hope to post a review of Seven Minutes by Norman Klein to the net in the
next couple of weeks. This book is about American theatrical cartoons.
It is shot through with all kinds of typos and factual errors, so anybody
who's considering buying it should think hard before putting down their
money.
___________________________________________________________________
Mark Mayerson Side Effects Software Inc.,
Internet: mayerson at sidefx.com Toronto, Ontario, Canada
(416) 366-4607
GARY LEACH:
What parts of the Another Rainbow Carl Barks Library are not going to be
reprinted in the Gladstone Carl Barks Library? Does Gladstone have plans
to print the Barks Mickey story in a regular comic like Comics and Stories?
ANYBODY:
What is Dan Jippes doing at Amblin'?
In Europe, what percentage of the Disney comics readership are girls? I note
that most of the contributors to this list are male. In North America,
boys outnumber girls as comics fans. Is this also true in Europe?
A WARNING:
I hope to post a review of Seven Minutes by Norman Klein to the net in the
next couple of weeks. This book is about American theatrical cartoons.
It is shot through with all kinds of typos and factual errors, so anybody
who's considering buying it should think hard before putting down their
money.
___________________________________________________________________
Mark Mayerson Side Effects Software Inc.,
Internet: mayerson at sidefx.com Toronto, Ontario, Canada
(416) 366-4607
M93
Ugly duckling seeks kind home
Message 164 -
1994-01-26 at 18:56:05
Fredrik Ekman wrote:
> And this leads me to a question to our English member: How on earth
> can them Fleetway, or whatever their name, survive in a country where
> noone sells their comics? Why, judging from my own experiences, this
> even seemed worse than US! In the US, there will at least BE a comic
> shop somewhere along the road. And, most probably, somewhere in that
> comic shop there will be a few Disneys in some dusty corner. But in
> England, I didn't even see that.
>
I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be the MEANT English member,
at least my mail address says I'm English, but only for a few more
months, then I'll be back in Germany again!
So as you can see, there seems to be no English member at all,
which is pretty sad, but according to the availability
of duck-comics here no surprise...
Nikolaus.
> And this leads me to a question to our English member: How on earth
> can them Fleetway, or whatever their name, survive in a country where
> noone sells their comics? Why, judging from my own experiences, this
> even seemed worse than US! In the US, there will at least BE a comic
> shop somewhere along the road. And, most probably, somewhere in that
> comic shop there will be a few Disneys in some dusty corner. But in
> England, I didn't even see that.
>
I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be the MEANT English member,
at least my mail address says I'm English, but only for a few more
months, then I'll be back in Germany again!
So as you can see, there seems to be no English member at all,
which is pretty sad, but according to the availability
of duck-comics here no surprise...
Nikolaus.
Fabio Gadducci
Le Grandi Parodie
Message 165 -
1994-01-27 at 12:43:51
Just some thoughts on old questions...
David wrote
>
> I-1948, MM as Court Troubador
> =============================
>
> I've forgotten who mentioned this story and where it appeared,
>but it was described as being a MM story where Mickey went to the
>studio -- as he does in "The Brave Little Tailor" and "The Robinson
>Crusoe Adventure" -- to make a film, and made one about being in
>medieval times. In the story, he was shown with pie-eyes, so this
>would seem to be based on the 1933 cartoon "Ye Olden Days". I'd like
>to know more about this and how I might obtain it.
>
And Ole added
>
>I had to buy a digest, which featured a story (I 1948) in
>which Clarabelle read a fairy tale to Morty and Ferdie: "Mickey Mouse
>and the Troubadour of Camelot." The story is colored in red-scale and
>has the old pie-eyed Mickey and Minnie appearing in a medieval setting.
>This ties in with the recent character/actor discussion, and I think
>Italian scripters are the most faithful to Floyd Gottfredson, whose
>introduction to the Abbeville book BTW kicks off with the words:
>"Mickey Mouse is an actor."
>
I cannot find out where my copy of that issue is. Anyway, it seems one of
the stories with a particular kind of color that Asteriti and Carpi have
been producing for a while (almost all of them in a medieval setting) but
where the main character is usually Donald: I cannot remember more than a
couple of stories with (pie-eyed) Mickey.
(Btw, the use of a medieval setting where the ducks play has been quite a
common device here in Italy, expecially during the Fifties with Martina
and Bottaro)
Still David, on Gottfredson
>
> Gary said: "Manpower is the #2 reason Gladstone cannot
>publish much of what deservedly should be published of Gottfredson's
>Mickey. The simple gruntwork it takes to make most of the art
>publishable, particularly by today's printing standards, is simply
>beyond our powers today."
>
[...]
>
> Another easy way to use Gottfredson stuff is to order the old
>Western versions. From WDC&S 81-85 "The Gleam" was published
>complete, and in MM BIRTHDAY PARTY 1 (1953) "Love Trouble" got the
>same treatment. I can't say that Dell ever printed any *other*
>Gottfredson stories so completely (there are some panels dropped here
>and there in others that they printed), but there's two at least.
>
> As for the others, both GP (ex-Oberon) and Mondadori have used
>loads of Gottfredson stuff, reformatting it themselves. They'd be
>quite willing to let you use it as with their own stories. All Gladstone
>would have to do there is restore the dialog. Bruce Hamilton owns a
>set of the complete Gottfredson as published by Horst Schroeder in
>Germany -- he told me that himself. All you'd need to do is take the
>set, Xerox the dialog, and paste it in. That'd be no longer a job
>than lettering a foreign story -- in fact it'd take *less* time, since
>Xeroxing 26 pages worth of dialog takes less time than to letter it.
>
> (I assume you can't just use the strips themselves from
>Horst's collections -- presumably the art isn't quite up to Disney's
>proof quality, having been made from newspapers as opposed to proofs.
>But you could indeed use the text, as you did with the Duck stories
>"Race to the South Seas" and "Darkest Africa". It was clear that the
>dialog had been photocopied and pasted into the foreign re-inked
>versions for those two stories, and I sure didn't mind that.)
>
[...]
>
> A few years ago Germany's Ehapa published "In Search of Jungle
>Treasure" as a supplement to their weekly. This may have been taken
>from an Italian product, because I've seen a much larger, but
>basically very similarly-formatted, comic from Italy with "Island in
>the Sky." In both cases the strips are printed in their original
>format, completely cleaned-up, and reading lengthwise (comic is bound
>so it opens with pages rightside up, much wider than they are tall).
>The Italian "Island in the Sky" is in black-and-white, while the
>German "Jungle Treasure" is in color, but it looked to me like the
>German thing was just a reduced-size version of the Italian, which
>someone had colored.
>
> In this case, the Italian version isn't a cut-up version a la
>Mondadori's big white books, either; both of these reprints have not
>altered anything in the word balloons -- even the SHAPES of the word
>balloons are original. Maybe the project didn't start in Italy...
>but who knows?
>
> What I'm trying to say is that cleaned-up Gottfredson should
>be available to Gladstone with no more work than ordering and putting
>together a foreign Duck story.
>
Well, actually I think that the project started in Italy...
During its last years as a Disney's publisher, and with the help of Ernesto
Traverso, Mondadori published ALL Gottfredson strips in chronological order
and with the original format, in nice horizontal books.
They published the years 1928-1943 in smaller, four colour books (approx.
one for each story) and the years 1943-1956 in 14 b&w books, each
collecting a whole year of strips.
All of these were collector's editions, but a few of the more famous
stories of the Thirties were reprinted (in colour) also in a newstand
edition, and between them "In Search of Jungle Treasure" and "Island in the
Sky", to which David is referring.
Now, the small publisher Comic Art is taking care of the project, and has
already reprinted the years 1957-1980.
Same thing for the sundays: I do not remeber how much of them Mondadori
reprinted, but I'm sure Comic Art has already issued the years 1957-1968.
Maybe Gladstone should ask Mondadori, if they have not yet given all their
stuff to Disney Italy (whose archives are an incredible mess, and searching
down for Gottfredson's strips could be a difficult task...)
Bye for now,
Fabio
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David wrote
>
> I-1948, MM as Court Troubador
> =============================
>
> I've forgotten who mentioned this story and where it appeared,
>but it was described as being a MM story where Mickey went to the
>studio -- as he does in "The Brave Little Tailor" and "The Robinson
>Crusoe Adventure" -- to make a film, and made one about being in
>medieval times. In the story, he was shown with pie-eyes, so this
>would seem to be based on the 1933 cartoon "Ye Olden Days". I'd like
>to know more about this and how I might obtain it.
>
And Ole added
>
>I had to buy a digest, which featured a story (I 1948) in
>which Clarabelle read a fairy tale to Morty and Ferdie: "Mickey Mouse
>and the Troubadour of Camelot." The story is colored in red-scale and
>has the old pie-eyed Mickey and Minnie appearing in a medieval setting.
>This ties in with the recent character/actor discussion, and I think
>Italian scripters are the most faithful to Floyd Gottfredson, whose
>introduction to the Abbeville book BTW kicks off with the words:
>"Mickey Mouse is an actor."
>
I cannot find out where my copy of that issue is. Anyway, it seems one of
the stories with a particular kind of color that Asteriti and Carpi have
been producing for a while (almost all of them in a medieval setting) but
where the main character is usually Donald: I cannot remember more than a
couple of stories with (pie-eyed) Mickey.
(Btw, the use of a medieval setting where the ducks play has been quite a
common device here in Italy, expecially during the Fifties with Martina
and Bottaro)
Still David, on Gottfredson
>
> Gary said: "Manpower is the #2 reason Gladstone cannot
>publish much of what deservedly should be published of Gottfredson's
>Mickey. The simple gruntwork it takes to make most of the art
>publishable, particularly by today's printing standards, is simply
>beyond our powers today."
>
[...]
>
> Another easy way to use Gottfredson stuff is to order the old
>Western versions. From WDC&S 81-85 "The Gleam" was published
>complete, and in MM BIRTHDAY PARTY 1 (1953) "Love Trouble" got the
>same treatment. I can't say that Dell ever printed any *other*
>Gottfredson stories so completely (there are some panels dropped here
>and there in others that they printed), but there's two at least.
>
> As for the others, both GP (ex-Oberon) and Mondadori have used
>loads of Gottfredson stuff, reformatting it themselves. They'd be
>quite willing to let you use it as with their own stories. All Gladstone
>would have to do there is restore the dialog. Bruce Hamilton owns a
>set of the complete Gottfredson as published by Horst Schroeder in
>Germany -- he told me that himself. All you'd need to do is take the
>set, Xerox the dialog, and paste it in. That'd be no longer a job
>than lettering a foreign story -- in fact it'd take *less* time, since
>Xeroxing 26 pages worth of dialog takes less time than to letter it.
>
> (I assume you can't just use the strips themselves from
>Horst's collections -- presumably the art isn't quite up to Disney's
>proof quality, having been made from newspapers as opposed to proofs.
>But you could indeed use the text, as you did with the Duck stories
>"Race to the South Seas" and "Darkest Africa". It was clear that the
>dialog had been photocopied and pasted into the foreign re-inked
>versions for those two stories, and I sure didn't mind that.)
>
[...]
>
> A few years ago Germany's Ehapa published "In Search of Jungle
>Treasure" as a supplement to their weekly. This may have been taken
>from an Italian product, because I've seen a much larger, but
>basically very similarly-formatted, comic from Italy with "Island in
>the Sky." In both cases the strips are printed in their original
>format, completely cleaned-up, and reading lengthwise (comic is bound
>so it opens with pages rightside up, much wider than they are tall).
>The Italian "Island in the Sky" is in black-and-white, while the
>German "Jungle Treasure" is in color, but it looked to me like the
>German thing was just a reduced-size version of the Italian, which
>someone had colored.
>
> In this case, the Italian version isn't a cut-up version a la
>Mondadori's big white books, either; both of these reprints have not
>altered anything in the word balloons -- even the SHAPES of the word
>balloons are original. Maybe the project didn't start in Italy...
>but who knows?
>
> What I'm trying to say is that cleaned-up Gottfredson should
>be available to Gladstone with no more work than ordering and putting
>together a foreign Duck story.
>
Well, actually I think that the project started in Italy...
During its last years as a Disney's publisher, and with the help of Ernesto
Traverso, Mondadori published ALL Gottfredson strips in chronological order
and with the original format, in nice horizontal books.
They published the years 1928-1943 in smaller, four colour books (approx.
one for each story) and the years 1943-1956 in 14 b&w books, each
collecting a whole year of strips.
All of these were collector's editions, but a few of the more famous
stories of the Thirties were reprinted (in colour) also in a newstand
edition, and between them "In Search of Jungle Treasure" and "Island in the
Sky", to which David is referring.
Now, the small publisher Comic Art is taking care of the project, and has
already reprinted the years 1957-1980.
Same thing for the sundays: I do not remeber how much of them Mondadori
reprinted, but I'm sure Comic Art has already issued the years 1957-1968.
Maybe Gladstone should ask Mondadori, if they have not yet given all their
stuff to Disney Italy (whose archives are an incredible mess, and searching
down for Gottfredson's strips could be a difficult task...)
Bye for now,
Fabio
================================================================
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Home: +39-50-541725 Universita` di Pisa
Off.: +39-50-510268 Corso Italia 40, 56100 PISA (ITALY)
FAX: +39-50-510226 E-mail:gadducci at di.unipi.it
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