Dear Folks,
Andrew Krieg said:
"P.S. Is anyone else hacked off at Gladstone for not
reprinting any new Gottfredson strips? Oh boy, we get Hoppy the
Kangaroo again. Yippee!" :^(
I wouldn't say "hacked off," as the earlier Gladstone albums
had very poor color and it's nice to see those stories with better
colors this time around. BUT... I *would* prefer some stories which
hadn't appeared before, first among them 1938's "The Plumber's
Helper", which has become a real classic in Europe.
I realize that it costs a lot to get new negatives to
Gottfredson strips from Disney -- hence it's easier to just re-reprint
stories. But if Gladstone can afford to do it for DONALD DUCK, I wish
they could do it for WDC&S too. No need to refurbish the strips into
upright pages... just run 'em sideways! Is there an unknown mammoth
cost to this, completely different than with the Donald Sundays, which
I don't know about?
My only real dissatisfaction with Gladstone's comics lies
with DONALD AND MICKEY, and I've expressed this to John Clark before.
The Mickey material in that title always pales beside the Barks
material. In this day and age, Mickey-playing-a-role stories from the
Disney Studio and very dated 1950s-era sitcoms by the likes of Jack
Bradbury just aren't enough, particularly compared to the unusually fine
choices of Barks 10-pagers that D&M has had lately. Recently in D&M 22,
after "Omelet" -- one of the all-time classics down to Donald's
narration -- the Mickey material seemed a particularly large contrast.
My own feeling is that, at least for the time being, until one
distant day when MM gets more space to move in, the post-Gottfredson
American material (including Disney Studio stories, whether or not
they've seen print here) should get less exposure. I'd like to see
Scarpa stories in D&M -- even shorter ones, if necessary --
supplemented by some work from Egmont's Ferioli and other foreign
sources. The foreign Mouse material, particularly in recent years,
tends to be on the inspired -- even Gottfredsonian -- side. (And
Scarpa never has trouble catching the Gottfredson spark.)
That's all for now, folks.
David Gerstein
"The only way to get ahead of Mickey Mouse is to *run* in
*front* of him!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Author
Topic: 199401
(189 messages)
David A Gerstein
Disney-comics digest #208.
Message 46 -
1994-01-11 at 03:34:19
James Williams
Disney-comics digest #208.
Message 47 -
1994-01-11 at 14:53:04
>Is anyone else hacked off at Gladstone for not reprinting any new
>Gottfredson strips? Oh boy, we get Hoppy the Kangaroo again. Yippee!
Actually, I understand Gladstone's reasoning on this. They see their
comic album and comic books as seperate lines. Though Hoppy has been
a comic album, it hasn't been a comic book. The other reason is
production costs. Converting Gottfredson's newspaper strips into
comic book form takes a lot of work.
What I don't understand is why Gladstone converts Gottfredson's strips
into comic book format. Mickey Mouse in Color (I think that was the
books name) reprints the actual strips and they look great. I for one
would prefer Gladstone to reprint the actual strips.
James Williams
>Gottfredson strips? Oh boy, we get Hoppy the Kangaroo again. Yippee!
Actually, I understand Gladstone's reasoning on this. They see their
comic album and comic books as seperate lines. Though Hoppy has been
a comic album, it hasn't been a comic book. The other reason is
production costs. Converting Gottfredson's newspaper strips into
comic book form takes a lot of work.
What I don't understand is why Gladstone converts Gottfredson's strips
into comic book format. Mickey Mouse in Color (I think that was the
books name) reprints the actual strips and they look great. I for one
would prefer Gladstone to reprint the actual strips.
James Williams
Mark Semich
Mickey (was Disney-comics digest #208.)
Message 48 -
1994-01-11 at 15:22:30
>>Is anyone else hacked off at Gladstone for not reprinting any new
>>Gottfredson strips? Oh boy, we get Hoppy the Kangaroo again. Yippee!
>
>Actually, I understand Gladstone's reasoning on this. They see their
>comic album and comic books as seperate lines. Though Hoppy has been
>a comic album, it hasn't been a comic book. The other reason is
>production costs. Converting Gottfredson's newspaper strips into
>comic book form takes a lot of work.
I have this written down *somewhere*, but I can't seem to find it:
Didn't Gladstone convert an old Gottfredson adventure into comic book
format, during the days of their "Mickey Mouse" comic book, which then
proceeded to never see print?
If it's already been re-formatted, the production costs for running
this story should be minimal - does anyone remember what it is or know
whether Gladstone has returned it to their schedule?
===========================================================================
"I am Scrooge McDuck of the clan McDuck. There can be only one!"
-- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --
mark a. semich mas at csa.bu.edu
===========================================================================
>>Gottfredson strips? Oh boy, we get Hoppy the Kangaroo again. Yippee!
>
>Actually, I understand Gladstone's reasoning on this. They see their
>comic album and comic books as seperate lines. Though Hoppy has been
>a comic album, it hasn't been a comic book. The other reason is
>production costs. Converting Gottfredson's newspaper strips into
>comic book form takes a lot of work.
I have this written down *somewhere*, but I can't seem to find it:
Didn't Gladstone convert an old Gottfredson adventure into comic book
format, during the days of their "Mickey Mouse" comic book, which then
proceeded to never see print?
If it's already been re-formatted, the production costs for running
this story should be minimal - does anyone remember what it is or know
whether Gladstone has returned it to their schedule?
===========================================================================
"I am Scrooge McDuck of the clan McDuck. There can be only one!"
-- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --
mark a. semich mas at csa.bu.edu
===========================================================================
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #208.
Message 49 -
1994-01-11 at 16:09:14
MATTIAS:
The changes that I am today mailing out to Gladstone for "The
Guardians of the Lost Library" would be either pointless or impossible
for Stefan to include in the Swedish edition. There were a number of
changes in the dialogue, but nothing major as I recall. The rest of it
was changes in dialogue and art needed to add the major bit about the
Woodchuck emblem which, as you know, was always to be lost to any but
the American audience (small as it is) due to there not BEING a
Woodchuck emblem outside the U.S. -- or if there is, not the "J.W.W."
emblem which my story involved.
The other new art involved correcting the Marco Polo error he
pointed out, bless his peapickin' lil' heart. What this involved was
some changes in dialogue and omitting of two panels on page 13, shifting
all the panel tiers up one on 13-15, then two new panels for page 15
where I simply moved the Marco Polo reference. Now I COULD send Stefan a
copy of the new panels which would make it possible for Sweden to
correct their version. However, it would involve clipping photostats,
moving panels, new dialogue, and coloring... and I think Stefan will
corroborate me on this: the Swedish publisher won't want to lift a
finger to go to the trouble of correcting any error no matter how
hideaous it is. They just don't get paid to do that. Their job is to
simply crank the stuff out and be done with it. Ask Stefan if he thinks
they'd go to any trouble to tamper with the story and I'll send him the
new art panels in a wink. (Norway and America are the only countries
that I think act like they are really concerned with doing the best
work they can... and if Norwegian readers don't agree, it's only because
Norway is bucking a system set up against that sort of attitude.
Now, I see my own message and I reminded myself to try to list the
birth/death dates from my notes. I see that I did not mess around with
the fringes of the tree yet -- therefore, I never made any notes
concerning Fanny or Gus; there wasn't much going on in that branch, so
the dates didn't matter much as long as I knew which generation they
each belonged in. Of these other characters, the dates are sometimes
partially given in "The Old Castle's Secret" as regarding the McDuck
ancestors. Other dates are exact when there was a need to be, otherwise
I didn't get fancy and I just used 5 year increments, 1920, 1925, 1930
and so on. (I wouldn't say 1921 if there was no specific reason to since
I knew I might still change a date here or there someday for some
reason. If a date ends in a blank, that means I figure the character
lived well past 1967. If a date ends in a "19??", that means I don't
know when the critter died, but they must surely be as cold as a carp
by 1970!
DONALD DUCK 1920-
HUEY, DEWEY & LOUIE 1940-
$CROOGE McDUCK 1867-1967
HORTENSE McDUCK 1876-19??
MATILDA McDUCK 1871-19??
DELLA DUCK 1920- (?)
QUACKMORE DUCK 1875-19??
ELVIRA "GRANDMA" DUCK 1855-19??
CASEY COOT 1860-19??
CLINTON COOT 1830-1910
CORNELIUS COOT 1790-1880
PINTAIL DUCK 1530-1564
FERGUS McDUCK 1830-1902
DOWNY McDUCK 1830-1897 (yes, I made a goof on her tombstone).
POTHOLE McDUCK 1829-19??
JAKE McDUCK 1832-19??
SEAFOAM McDUCK 1710-1776 (died in the war?)
MALCOLM McDUCK 1530-1564
SWAMPHOLE " 1190-1260
ROAST " 1159-1205
STUFT " 1110-1175
QUACKLY " 1010-1057
EIDER " 880-946
DAISY DUCK 1920-
That's all that's in my notes.
The changes that I am today mailing out to Gladstone for "The
Guardians of the Lost Library" would be either pointless or impossible
for Stefan to include in the Swedish edition. There were a number of
changes in the dialogue, but nothing major as I recall. The rest of it
was changes in dialogue and art needed to add the major bit about the
Woodchuck emblem which, as you know, was always to be lost to any but
the American audience (small as it is) due to there not BEING a
Woodchuck emblem outside the U.S. -- or if there is, not the "J.W.W."
emblem which my story involved.
The other new art involved correcting the Marco Polo error he
pointed out, bless his peapickin' lil' heart. What this involved was
some changes in dialogue and omitting of two panels on page 13, shifting
all the panel tiers up one on 13-15, then two new panels for page 15
where I simply moved the Marco Polo reference. Now I COULD send Stefan a
copy of the new panels which would make it possible for Sweden to
correct their version. However, it would involve clipping photostats,
moving panels, new dialogue, and coloring... and I think Stefan will
corroborate me on this: the Swedish publisher won't want to lift a
finger to go to the trouble of correcting any error no matter how
hideaous it is. They just don't get paid to do that. Their job is to
simply crank the stuff out and be done with it. Ask Stefan if he thinks
they'd go to any trouble to tamper with the story and I'll send him the
new art panels in a wink. (Norway and America are the only countries
that I think act like they are really concerned with doing the best
work they can... and if Norwegian readers don't agree, it's only because
Norway is bucking a system set up against that sort of attitude.
Now, I see my own message and I reminded myself to try to list the
birth/death dates from my notes. I see that I did not mess around with
the fringes of the tree yet -- therefore, I never made any notes
concerning Fanny or Gus; there wasn't much going on in that branch, so
the dates didn't matter much as long as I knew which generation they
each belonged in. Of these other characters, the dates are sometimes
partially given in "The Old Castle's Secret" as regarding the McDuck
ancestors. Other dates are exact when there was a need to be, otherwise
I didn't get fancy and I just used 5 year increments, 1920, 1925, 1930
and so on. (I wouldn't say 1921 if there was no specific reason to since
I knew I might still change a date here or there someday for some
reason. If a date ends in a blank, that means I figure the character
lived well past 1967. If a date ends in a "19??", that means I don't
know when the critter died, but they must surely be as cold as a carp
by 1970!
DONALD DUCK 1920-
HUEY, DEWEY & LOUIE 1940-
$CROOGE McDUCK 1867-1967
HORTENSE McDUCK 1876-19??
MATILDA McDUCK 1871-19??
DELLA DUCK 1920- (?)
QUACKMORE DUCK 1875-19??
ELVIRA "GRANDMA" DUCK 1855-19??
CASEY COOT 1860-19??
CLINTON COOT 1830-1910
CORNELIUS COOT 1790-1880
PINTAIL DUCK 1530-1564
FERGUS McDUCK 1830-1902
DOWNY McDUCK 1830-1897 (yes, I made a goof on her tombstone).
POTHOLE McDUCK 1829-19??
JAKE McDUCK 1832-19??
SEAFOAM McDUCK 1710-1776 (died in the war?)
MALCOLM McDUCK 1530-1564
SWAMPHOLE " 1190-1260
ROAST " 1159-1205
STUFT " 1110-1175
QUACKLY " 1010-1057
EIDER " 880-946
DAISY DUCK 1920-
That's all that's in my notes.
Lasse Reichstein Nielsen
From RoC
Message 50 -
1994-01-11 at 16:26:16
TOPOLINO
Thanks for answering my query about your livelihood so painstakingly,
David. You shouldn't have, I'm not with the IRS, you know :)
Egmont's plans with Mickey are surprising if not shocking to me.
Specifically requesting Gottfredson compatibility is a funny attitude,
when they have been literally ignoring him for the last 20 years! That's
Ignoring with a capital I! Except for a 40$ hardcover book and a couple
of Pluto sundays *nothing* has been reprinted here! "Kids" like me have
been brain-washed with countless reruns of "classics" into accepting
that Paul Murry is the Grand Old Mouse.
PAPERINO
The first long Donald Duck adventure, "DD and the Mystery of Mars" (1937)
both written and drawn by Federico Pedrocchi, was delivered at a request
for longer stories, up to 30 chapters! It was well recieved, and later
he drew other stories like "The Foreign Correspondent" and "The Chinese
Vase" printed in the 1984 anniversary "Big, White Book" in Scandinavia.
(Wasn't this also the one with Rota's 50.th anniversary story?) I also
guess Pedrocchi must be credited for "Paperino Chiromante" (1939), which
I only know from "Super Almanacco Paperino 2" (Italy, 1977). It is 24
pages long with 5 strips to a page, but you will most likely be spared
most of it. The gags are even more outrageous than the early Taliaferro,
and the artwork is... well, crude. Gladstone may be repeating their
errors with A Goofy Look On History if they rely too strongly on this.
A classic Italian story which may have greater appeal to an American
audience is the "Inferno" by ???. I have "read" it in Greek and the art
is much more sophisticated, inspired by Disney's animated features.
CARL BARKS & CO.
Don asked if others had the new CB&Co. You and everybody who didn't
catch the Anders' Ant joke in the latest WDC are welcome to ask specific
questions about it, or, if you all beg on your knees, I just *might*
translate some of the articles :)
Meanwhile, here's a short summary: front cover by Daan Jippes, 4 page
review of this years rave in Europe - Aladdin. 14 page interview with
Daan Jippes (translated from Dutch to English to Danish - 'you want it
back into English?!) 5 page interview with Marco Rota. 7 page interwiew
with Giorgio Cavazzano a.o. 4 page interview with Sonja Rindom (she was
a translator for Anders And & Co. for many years)
The "Ghast Cow" interview in CB&Co. #19 was done by Steffen Kronborg in
May 1990 and "translated" by Thomas Berger. He also referred to classics
as "The Square X", "Fan of notre duck", "Junior Wood Chuck" and "Lost in
the Andies."
BTW: Geoffrey Blum said: "Most of the time we almost only published
letters praising Don Rosa's stories. If there were negative letters they
were not published. Freedom of speech!" I can't tell from this if there
*were* negative letters, and if so, negative to whom or what?
NONNA PAPERA
True - Danes *must* differentiate between male and female cousins. But
with respect to grandparents it is optional: You can have "farmor"
(father's mother), "mormor" (mother's mother)... or just "bedstemor"
(grandma.) In the very first Danish issue Grandma calls Donald "my boy"
and he calls her "farmor." This quickly changes to "bedste(mor)".
Local authorities celebrated the 50 year anniversary of Grandma Duck by
printing her first appearance - a Taliaferro strip from Sep. 27.th 1943.
The accompanying two-paged hoozoo didn't reveal *whose* Grandmother she
is, only news to me was that her car is a 1920'es Detroit Electric.
BTW: Taliaferro introduced Gus Goose on May 9.th 1938. The recent Danish
version has Donald recieve a letter from Grandma Duck, that *his cousin*
Gus is coming to visit. His Danish name is "cousin Guf" (no typo!)
In Dutch Donald Duck 19/1980 the letter is from "Aunt Fanny" and Gus is
Donalds *nephew*!? What did that letter really say?
Swedes can check out Kalle Anka #1/1994 for Don's Family Tree.
WILD BILL
Van the Man has been very productive. In 3 months he has had 4 (new)
stories published in Scandinavia. Look out for Fredrik's index update.
You have been awful quiet about his team-up with Barks: doesn't nobody
know nothing about it?
FAMOUS LAST WORDS
Badalamenti is an artist who will not appear in any of our lists. He's a
composer. The only thing that bothers me about this net thing is that you
can't write in italics. So I let off steam by ending with an italicism.
Like this:
Morricone.
*Ole* Reichstein - "Oh, come vorrei un'auto nuova!"
Thanks for answering my query about your livelihood so painstakingly,
David. You shouldn't have, I'm not with the IRS, you know :)
Egmont's plans with Mickey are surprising if not shocking to me.
Specifically requesting Gottfredson compatibility is a funny attitude,
when they have been literally ignoring him for the last 20 years! That's
Ignoring with a capital I! Except for a 40$ hardcover book and a couple
of Pluto sundays *nothing* has been reprinted here! "Kids" like me have
been brain-washed with countless reruns of "classics" into accepting
that Paul Murry is the Grand Old Mouse.
PAPERINO
The first long Donald Duck adventure, "DD and the Mystery of Mars" (1937)
both written and drawn by Federico Pedrocchi, was delivered at a request
for longer stories, up to 30 chapters! It was well recieved, and later
he drew other stories like "The Foreign Correspondent" and "The Chinese
Vase" printed in the 1984 anniversary "Big, White Book" in Scandinavia.
(Wasn't this also the one with Rota's 50.th anniversary story?) I also
guess Pedrocchi must be credited for "Paperino Chiromante" (1939), which
I only know from "Super Almanacco Paperino 2" (Italy, 1977). It is 24
pages long with 5 strips to a page, but you will most likely be spared
most of it. The gags are even more outrageous than the early Taliaferro,
and the artwork is... well, crude. Gladstone may be repeating their
errors with A Goofy Look On History if they rely too strongly on this.
A classic Italian story which may have greater appeal to an American
audience is the "Inferno" by ???. I have "read" it in Greek and the art
is much more sophisticated, inspired by Disney's animated features.
CARL BARKS & CO.
Don asked if others had the new CB&Co. You and everybody who didn't
catch the Anders' Ant joke in the latest WDC are welcome to ask specific
questions about it, or, if you all beg on your knees, I just *might*
translate some of the articles :)
Meanwhile, here's a short summary: front cover by Daan Jippes, 4 page
review of this years rave in Europe - Aladdin. 14 page interview with
Daan Jippes (translated from Dutch to English to Danish - 'you want it
back into English?!) 5 page interview with Marco Rota. 7 page interwiew
with Giorgio Cavazzano a.o. 4 page interview with Sonja Rindom (she was
a translator for Anders And & Co. for many years)
The "Ghast Cow" interview in CB&Co. #19 was done by Steffen Kronborg in
May 1990 and "translated" by Thomas Berger. He also referred to classics
as "The Square X", "Fan of notre duck", "Junior Wood Chuck" and "Lost in
the Andies."
BTW: Geoffrey Blum said: "Most of the time we almost only published
letters praising Don Rosa's stories. If there were negative letters they
were not published. Freedom of speech!" I can't tell from this if there
*were* negative letters, and if so, negative to whom or what?
NONNA PAPERA
True - Danes *must* differentiate between male and female cousins. But
with respect to grandparents it is optional: You can have "farmor"
(father's mother), "mormor" (mother's mother)... or just "bedstemor"
(grandma.) In the very first Danish issue Grandma calls Donald "my boy"
and he calls her "farmor." This quickly changes to "bedste(mor)".
Local authorities celebrated the 50 year anniversary of Grandma Duck by
printing her first appearance - a Taliaferro strip from Sep. 27.th 1943.
The accompanying two-paged hoozoo didn't reveal *whose* Grandmother she
is, only news to me was that her car is a 1920'es Detroit Electric.
BTW: Taliaferro introduced Gus Goose on May 9.th 1938. The recent Danish
version has Donald recieve a letter from Grandma Duck, that *his cousin*
Gus is coming to visit. His Danish name is "cousin Guf" (no typo!)
In Dutch Donald Duck 19/1980 the letter is from "Aunt Fanny" and Gus is
Donalds *nephew*!? What did that letter really say?
Swedes can check out Kalle Anka #1/1994 for Don's Family Tree.
WILD BILL
Van the Man has been very productive. In 3 months he has had 4 (new)
stories published in Scandinavia. Look out for Fredrik's index update.
You have been awful quiet about his team-up with Barks: doesn't nobody
know nothing about it?
FAMOUS LAST WORDS
Badalamenti is an artist who will not appear in any of our lists. He's a
composer. The only thing that bothers me about this net thing is that you
can't write in italics. So I let off steam by ending with an italicism.
Like this:
Morricone.
*Ole* Reichstein - "Oh, come vorrei un'auto nuova!"
Lasse Reichstein Nielsen
From RoC
Message 51 -
1994-01-11 at 16:31:20
TOPOLINO
Thanks for answering my query about your livelihood so painstakingly,
David. You shouldn't have, I'm not with the IRS, you know :)
Egmont's plans with Mickey are surprising if not shocking to me.
Specifically requesting Gottfredson compatibility is a funny attitude,
when they have been literally ignoring him for the last 20 years! That's
Ignoring with a capital I! Except for a 40$ hardcover book and a couple
of Pluto sundays *nothing* has been reprinted here! "Kids" like me have
been brain-washed with countless reruns of "classics" into accepting
that Paul Murry is the Grand Old Mouse.
PAPERINO
The first long Donald Duck adventure, "DD and the Mystery of Mars" (1937)
both written and drawn by Federico Pedrocchi, was delivered at a request
for longer stories, up to 30 chapters! It was well recieved, and later
he drew other stories like "The Foreign Correspondent" and "The Chinese
Vase" printed in the 1984 anniversary "Big, White Book" in Scandinavia.
(Wasn't this also the one with Rota's 50.th anniversary story?) I also
guess Pedrocchi must be credited for "Paperino Chiromante" (1939), which
I only know from "Super Almanacco Paperino 2" (Italy, 1977). It is 24
pages long with 5 strips to a page, but you will most likely be spared
most of it. The gags are even more outrageous than the early Taliaferro,
and the artwork is... well, crude. Gladstone may be repeating their
errors with A Goofy Look On History if they rely too strongly on this.
A classic Italian story which may have greater appeal to an American
audience is the "Inferno" by ???. I have "read" it in Greek and the art
is much more sophisticated, inspired by Disney's animated features.
CARL BARKS & CO.
Don asked if others had the new CB&Co. You and everybody who didn't
catch the Anders' Ant joke in the latest WDC are welcome to ask specific
questions about it, or, if you all beg on your knees, I just *might*
translate some of the articles :)
Meanwhile, here's a short summary: front cover by Daan Jippes, 4 page
review of this years rave in Europe - Aladdin. 14 page interview with
Daan Jippes (translated from Dutch to English to Danish - 'you want it
back into English?!) 5 page interview with Marco Rota. 7 page interwiew
with Giorgio Cavazzano a.o. 4 page interview with Sonja Rindom (she was
a translator for Anders And & Co. for many years)
The "Ghast Cow" interview in CB&Co. #19 was done by Steffen Kronborg in
May 1990 and "translated" by Thomas Berger. He also referred to classics
as "The Square X", "Fan of notre duck", "Junior Wood Chuck" and "Lost in
the Andies."
BTW: Geoffrey Blum said: "Most of the time we almost only published
letters praising Don Rosa's stories. If there were negative letters they
were not published. Freedom of speech!" I can't tell from this if there
*were* negative letters, and if so, negative to whom or what?
NONNA PAPERA
True - Danes *must* differentiate between male and female cousins. But
with respect to grandparents it is optional: You can have "farmor"
(father's mother), "mormor" (mother's mother)... or just "bedstemor"
(grandma.) In the very first Danish issue Grandma calls Donald "my boy"
and he calls her "farmor." This quickly changes to "bedste(mor)".
Local authorities celebrated the 50 year anniversary of Grandma Duck by
printing her first appearance - a Taliaferro strip from Sep. 27.th 1943.
The accompanying two-paged hoozoo didn't reveal *whose* Grandmother she
is, only news to me was that her car is a 1920'es Detroit Electric.
BTW: Taliaferro introduced Gus Goose on May 9.th 1938. The recent Danish
version has Donald recieve a letter from Grandma Duck, that *his cousin*
Gus is coming to visit. His Danish name is "cousin Guf" (no typo!)
In Dutch Donald Duck 19/1980 the letter is from "Aunt Fanny" and Gus is
Donalds *nephew*!? What did that letter really say?
Swedes can check out Kalle Anka #1/1994 for Don's Family Tree.
WILD BILL
Van the Man has been very productive. In 3 months he has had 4 (new)
stories published in Scandinavia. Look out for Fredrik's index update.
You have been awful quiet about his team-up with Barks: doesn't nobody
know nothing about it?
FAMOUS LAST WORDS
Badalamenti is an artist who will not appear in any of our lists. He's a
composer. The only thing that bothers me about this net thing is that you
can't write in italics. So I let off steam by ending with an italicism.
Like this:
Morricone.
*Ole* Reichstein - "Oh, come vorrei un'auto nuova!"
Thanks for answering my query about your livelihood so painstakingly,
David. You shouldn't have, I'm not with the IRS, you know :)
Egmont's plans with Mickey are surprising if not shocking to me.
Specifically requesting Gottfredson compatibility is a funny attitude,
when they have been literally ignoring him for the last 20 years! That's
Ignoring with a capital I! Except for a 40$ hardcover book and a couple
of Pluto sundays *nothing* has been reprinted here! "Kids" like me have
been brain-washed with countless reruns of "classics" into accepting
that Paul Murry is the Grand Old Mouse.
PAPERINO
The first long Donald Duck adventure, "DD and the Mystery of Mars" (1937)
both written and drawn by Federico Pedrocchi, was delivered at a request
for longer stories, up to 30 chapters! It was well recieved, and later
he drew other stories like "The Foreign Correspondent" and "The Chinese
Vase" printed in the 1984 anniversary "Big, White Book" in Scandinavia.
(Wasn't this also the one with Rota's 50.th anniversary story?) I also
guess Pedrocchi must be credited for "Paperino Chiromante" (1939), which
I only know from "Super Almanacco Paperino 2" (Italy, 1977). It is 24
pages long with 5 strips to a page, but you will most likely be spared
most of it. The gags are even more outrageous than the early Taliaferro,
and the artwork is... well, crude. Gladstone may be repeating their
errors with A Goofy Look On History if they rely too strongly on this.
A classic Italian story which may have greater appeal to an American
audience is the "Inferno" by ???. I have "read" it in Greek and the art
is much more sophisticated, inspired by Disney's animated features.
CARL BARKS & CO.
Don asked if others had the new CB&Co. You and everybody who didn't
catch the Anders' Ant joke in the latest WDC are welcome to ask specific
questions about it, or, if you all beg on your knees, I just *might*
translate some of the articles :)
Meanwhile, here's a short summary: front cover by Daan Jippes, 4 page
review of this years rave in Europe - Aladdin. 14 page interview with
Daan Jippes (translated from Dutch to English to Danish - 'you want it
back into English?!) 5 page interview with Marco Rota. 7 page interwiew
with Giorgio Cavazzano a.o. 4 page interview with Sonja Rindom (she was
a translator for Anders And & Co. for many years)
The "Ghast Cow" interview in CB&Co. #19 was done by Steffen Kronborg in
May 1990 and "translated" by Thomas Berger. He also referred to classics
as "The Square X", "Fan of notre duck", "Junior Wood Chuck" and "Lost in
the Andies."
BTW: Geoffrey Blum said: "Most of the time we almost only published
letters praising Don Rosa's stories. If there were negative letters they
were not published. Freedom of speech!" I can't tell from this if there
*were* negative letters, and if so, negative to whom or what?
NONNA PAPERA
True - Danes *must* differentiate between male and female cousins. But
with respect to grandparents it is optional: You can have "farmor"
(father's mother), "mormor" (mother's mother)... or just "bedstemor"
(grandma.) In the very first Danish issue Grandma calls Donald "my boy"
and he calls her "farmor." This quickly changes to "bedste(mor)".
Local authorities celebrated the 50 year anniversary of Grandma Duck by
printing her first appearance - a Taliaferro strip from Sep. 27.th 1943.
The accompanying two-paged hoozoo didn't reveal *whose* Grandmother she
is, only news to me was that her car is a 1920'es Detroit Electric.
BTW: Taliaferro introduced Gus Goose on May 9.th 1938. The recent Danish
version has Donald recieve a letter from Grandma Duck, that *his cousin*
Gus is coming to visit. His Danish name is "cousin Guf" (no typo!)
In Dutch Donald Duck 19/1980 the letter is from "Aunt Fanny" and Gus is
Donalds *nephew*!? What did that letter really say?
Swedes can check out Kalle Anka #1/1994 for Don's Family Tree.
WILD BILL
Van the Man has been very productive. In 3 months he has had 4 (new)
stories published in Scandinavia. Look out for Fredrik's index update.
You have been awful quiet about his team-up with Barks: doesn't nobody
know nothing about it?
FAMOUS LAST WORDS
Badalamenti is an artist who will not appear in any of our lists. He's a
composer. The only thing that bothers me about this net thing is that you
can't write in italics. So I let off steam by ending with an italicism.
Like this:
Morricone.
*Ole* Reichstein - "Oh, come vorrei un'auto nuova!"
Harry Fluks
Rosa on Guardians of the Lost Library
Message 52 -
1994-01-11 at 17:19:15
Don Rosa wrote a detailed message about:
> The changes that I am today mailing out to Gladstone for "The
> Guardians of the Lost Library"
Thank you Don, for sharing this information with us. It is very
helpful, for keeping our 'don-rosa' index up to date. I think I will
add the information to it this week, while adding some other information
too.
In Holland, the translation for Junior Woodchucks is Jonge Woudlopers,
so noone is confused when they don't white out the USA emblem.
--Harry.
> The changes that I am today mailing out to Gladstone for "The
> Guardians of the Lost Library"
Thank you Don, for sharing this information with us. It is very
helpful, for keeping our 'don-rosa' index up to date. I think I will
add the information to it this week, while adding some other information
too.
In Holland, the translation for Junior Woodchucks is Jonge Woudlopers,
so noone is confused when they don't white out the USA emblem.
--Harry.
Gary Leach
Disney-comics digest #209.
Message 53 -
1994-01-12 at 05:59:48
Hello from me, Gary Leach, Gladstone art director guy (and typesetter, and
production artist, and colorist...)! Also, by association, from John Clark,
Gladstone editor (and cameraman, and production artist...) and Susan
Daigle-Leach, Gladstone production manager (and colorist, and production
artist, and typesetter, and schedule manager...). All words are my own,
however; John and Sue bear no responsibility for what I write here.
After digesting three digests worth of digestibles since Don Rosa set me up
here (Thanks, Don! You too, Per!), I must say this seems to be a lively place.
I don't know how much I'll be able to contribute, though. I may be in the
thick of the forest, American Disney comics-wise, but my day to day routine
has me hacking at the trees one by one at a pretty relentless rate; most of
what I know I take for granted, and most of what I do would bore the rest of
you silly. Still, this has possibilities...
That's all I can manage for the nonce...Later!
production artist, and colorist...)! Also, by association, from John Clark,
Gladstone editor (and cameraman, and production artist...) and Susan
Daigle-Leach, Gladstone production manager (and colorist, and production
artist, and typesetter, and schedule manager...). All words are my own,
however; John and Sue bear no responsibility for what I write here.
After digesting three digests worth of digestibles since Don Rosa set me up
here (Thanks, Don! You too, Per!), I must say this seems to be a lively place.
I don't know how much I'll be able to contribute, though. I may be in the
thick of the forest, American Disney comics-wise, but my day to day routine
has me hacking at the trees one by one at a pretty relentless rate; most of
what I know I take for granted, and most of what I do would bore the rest of
you silly. Still, this has possibilities...
That's all I can manage for the nonce...Later!
Fredrik Ekman
Hi! I'm back! (And some little on Gus Goose, William Van Horn and stuff...)
Message 54 -
1994-01-12 at 09:19:34
Yep, that's right! My Christmas holiday is finally over. So here I am to
brighten up your lives again. :-)
I will mostly avoid the current threads (since I have nothing much to
contribute with), but I do have one minor question regarding Gus Goose.
Considering how much talk there has been about the first comic appearance
by this character, I'm rather surprised that noone has mentioned his
first cartoon appearance. This was in "Donald's cousin Gus" from 1938(?).
This cartoon seemingly included a similar letter as the comic strip
(which I haven't read) did. I think I could quote the cartoon letter if
anyone is interested. And for my question; which was first, the comic or
the cartoon?
OK, so I'm back. And I promised you new versions of the Van Horn and
language index files. Well, have faith! They will arrive. In the
meantime, I would still like to receive updates of American publications
of Van Horn. Has there really not been a single one for the last four
months, since the last update by David? And there are still holes among
the previous American publications.
Another thing that bothers me somewhat; of the languages that seem to
have a fairly strong representation on this list, Norwegian is the only
one that still has major gaps in the Character Name Translation list. Is
there any Norwegian member willing to help filling in the holes? Pick up
this (and the Van Horn) file on the FTP archive, or ask me and I'll mail
it to you.
Also, with Rosa's family tree (I love it, but I think the Swedish
publisher ruined it with those stickers) there has been a sudden burst
of new (well, in this context, at least) names that may need to be
translated. Does anyone feel that these should be included in the
(already somewhat overcrowded) Translation file? Or should we have a
separate file with not only translations of all the relatives in the
tree, but also things like Don's birth/death dates, first appearance
(for the "odd" relatives) and so on? Given some help, I could possibly
edit such a file.
Yep! Sure feels good to be here again
/F
brighten up your lives again. :-)
I will mostly avoid the current threads (since I have nothing much to
contribute with), but I do have one minor question regarding Gus Goose.
Considering how much talk there has been about the first comic appearance
by this character, I'm rather surprised that noone has mentioned his
first cartoon appearance. This was in "Donald's cousin Gus" from 1938(?).
This cartoon seemingly included a similar letter as the comic strip
(which I haven't read) did. I think I could quote the cartoon letter if
anyone is interested. And for my question; which was first, the comic or
the cartoon?
OK, so I'm back. And I promised you new versions of the Van Horn and
language index files. Well, have faith! They will arrive. In the
meantime, I would still like to receive updates of American publications
of Van Horn. Has there really not been a single one for the last four
months, since the last update by David? And there are still holes among
the previous American publications.
Another thing that bothers me somewhat; of the languages that seem to
have a fairly strong representation on this list, Norwegian is the only
one that still has major gaps in the Character Name Translation list. Is
there any Norwegian member willing to help filling in the holes? Pick up
this (and the Van Horn) file on the FTP archive, or ask me and I'll mail
it to you.
Also, with Rosa's family tree (I love it, but I think the Swedish
publisher ruined it with those stickers) there has been a sudden burst
of new (well, in this context, at least) names that may need to be
translated. Does anyone feel that these should be included in the
(already somewhat overcrowded) Translation file? Or should we have a
separate file with not only translations of all the relatives in the
tree, but also things like Don's birth/death dates, first appearance
(for the "odd" relatives) and so on? Given some help, I could possibly
edit such a file.
Yep! Sure feels good to be here again
/F
Mattias Hallin
Gus Goose and Stefan Dios (no connexion!)
Message 55 -
1994-01-12 at 10:44:26
DON:
I'll forward your information to Stefan A.S.A.P., and get back to you
likewise with his reply.
LASSE R. and FREDRIK:
concerning first appearance of Gus Goose, I think the
cartoon and the Taliaferro story were concieved and produced more or less
simultaneously, and interdependently - that's what I remember reading when
(old) Gladstone published the Taliaferro a few years ago. In the comic, at
least, the letter to Donald is dated "Honker-on-the-Hudson", alerts him to a
visit from his "cousin Gus", and is signed "aunt Fanny". The cartoon I haven't
seen, but I seem to recall reading that Barks was involved in the gags.
Y'ALL:
I'm going to start collating that list of introduc(k)tions I've been
talking about, so please: all of you who want to be on it, please send ME (not
the list) a reasonably short posting, introducing yourself anyway you'd like
to. Name, wherefrom you hail, and where you live, and what you do besides
participate on the list, and what your particular Disney or Donaldistic
interests might be... anything you'd like to tell us all about. My e-mail is
"Mattias.Hallin at jur.enh.lu.se".
Bye for now
Mattias
I'll forward your information to Stefan A.S.A.P., and get back to you
likewise with his reply.
LASSE R. and FREDRIK:
concerning first appearance of Gus Goose, I think the
cartoon and the Taliaferro story were concieved and produced more or less
simultaneously, and interdependently - that's what I remember reading when
(old) Gladstone published the Taliaferro a few years ago. In the comic, at
least, the letter to Donald is dated "Honker-on-the-Hudson", alerts him to a
visit from his "cousin Gus", and is signed "aunt Fanny". The cartoon I haven't
seen, but I seem to recall reading that Barks was involved in the gags.
Y'ALL:
I'm going to start collating that list of introduc(k)tions I've been
talking about, so please: all of you who want to be on it, please send ME (not
the list) a reasonably short posting, introducing yourself anyway you'd like
to. Name, wherefrom you hail, and where you live, and what you do besides
participate on the list, and what your particular Disney or Donaldistic
interests might be... anything you'd like to tell us all about. My e-mail is
"Mattias.Hallin at jur.enh.lu.se".
Bye for now
Mattias
Mattias Hallin
OOPS! Wrong adress!!!
Message 56 -
1994-01-12 at 10:58:35
Y'ALL, again:
sorry, folks - just gave you the wrong e-mail adress to myself: it
should be "Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se". I.e. no "." between "jur" and "enh".
Sorry!!!
Mattias
sorry, folks - just gave you the wrong e-mail adress to myself: it
should be "Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se". I.e. no "." between "jur" and "enh".
Sorry!!!
Mattias
Harry Fluks
Some little on William Van Horn and stuff...
Message 57 -
1994-01-12 at 13:30:09
Fredrik:
> OK, so I'm back. And I promised you new versions of the Van Horn and
> language index files. Well, have faith! They will arrive.
That goes for me too: a new 'don-rosa' index will arrive "soon".
> In the
> meantime, I would still like to receive updates of American publications
> of Van Horn. Has there really not been a single one for the last four
> months, since the last update by David?
There have been WH publications. I listed all I know at home in a private
copy of our 'gladstone-disney.index' (I didn't have it put on ftp yet).
I'll send you an extract tomorrow.
> And there are still holes among the previous American publications.
Are there? I thought we were quite complete...
> Also, with Rosa's family tree (I love it, but I think the Swedish
> publisher ruined it with those stickers) there has been a sudden burst
> of new (well, in this context, at least) names that may need to be
> translated. Does anyone feel that these should be included in the
> (already somewhat overcrowded) Translation file?
I don't think so.
> Or should we have a separate file with not only translations of all the
> relatives in the tree, but also things like Don's birth/death dates, first
> appearance (for the "odd" relatives) and so on?
Wouldn't that spoil a lot of fun? What would this information add to the
tree and to Don's stories (except for the birth/death dates)?
--Harry.
> OK, so I'm back. And I promised you new versions of the Van Horn and
> language index files. Well, have faith! They will arrive.
That goes for me too: a new 'don-rosa' index will arrive "soon".
> In the
> meantime, I would still like to receive updates of American publications
> of Van Horn. Has there really not been a single one for the last four
> months, since the last update by David?
There have been WH publications. I listed all I know at home in a private
copy of our 'gladstone-disney.index' (I didn't have it put on ftp yet).
I'll send you an extract tomorrow.
> And there are still holes among the previous American publications.
Are there? I thought we were quite complete...
> Also, with Rosa's family tree (I love it, but I think the Swedish
> publisher ruined it with those stickers) there has been a sudden burst
> of new (well, in this context, at least) names that may need to be
> translated. Does anyone feel that these should be included in the
> (already somewhat overcrowded) Translation file?
I don't think so.
> Or should we have a separate file with not only translations of all the
> relatives in the tree, but also things like Don's birth/death dates, first
> appearance (for the "odd" relatives) and so on?
Wouldn't that spoil a lot of fun? What would this information add to the
tree and to Don's stories (except for the birth/death dates)?
--Harry.
Fredrik Ekman
Reply to the reply on William Van Horn and stuff...
Message 58 -
1994-01-12 at 15:10:10
Harry writes, in reply to me:
> There have been WH publications. I listed all I know at home in a private
> copy of our 'gladstone-disney.index' (I didn't have it put on ftp yet).
> I'll send you an extract tomorrow.
Thanks, Harry! And thanks to Ole for Scandinavian updates (your Danish
characters didn't make it to me at least, but I understand anyway :-).
I wrote:
> And there are still holes among the previous American publications.
And Harry, replying:
> Are there? I thought we were quite complete...
I think the keyword there is _quite_. I know of at least one one-pager
that is missing, I just recently inserted the "Comics in 3D" thingy, and
there may be others. One day, when me gets lots of spare time (probably
within the next dozen years or so) I'll see what I can dig up about those
missing comics.
Me again:
> Or should we have a separate file with not only translations of all the
> relatives in the tree, but also things like Don's birth/death dates, first
> appearance (for the "odd" relatives) and so on?
And Harry:
> Wouldn't that spoil a lot of fun? What would this information add to the
> tree and to Don's stories (except for the birth/death dates)?
Actually, I see two fairly good reasons for this. One is the (obviously)
interesting dates. The other is that I myself have some problems connecting
Don's English names to the one I'm familiar with, and I'm even guessing at
times. Any other info would just be fill-outs, to make it look a little
more... well... complete. :-) I mean, just translations and dates seem a
little meager to me. Then again, you do have a point. Anyone else?
/F
> There have been WH publications. I listed all I know at home in a private
> copy of our 'gladstone-disney.index' (I didn't have it put on ftp yet).
> I'll send you an extract tomorrow.
Thanks, Harry! And thanks to Ole for Scandinavian updates (your Danish
characters didn't make it to me at least, but I understand anyway :-).
I wrote:
> And there are still holes among the previous American publications.
And Harry, replying:
> Are there? I thought we were quite complete...
I think the keyword there is _quite_. I know of at least one one-pager
that is missing, I just recently inserted the "Comics in 3D" thingy, and
there may be others. One day, when me gets lots of spare time (probably
within the next dozen years or so) I'll see what I can dig up about those
missing comics.
Me again:
> Or should we have a separate file with not only translations of all the
> relatives in the tree, but also things like Don's birth/death dates, first
> appearance (for the "odd" relatives) and so on?
And Harry:
> Wouldn't that spoil a lot of fun? What would this information add to the
> tree and to Don's stories (except for the birth/death dates)?
Actually, I see two fairly good reasons for this. One is the (obviously)
interesting dates. The other is that I myself have some problems connecting
Don's English names to the one I'm familiar with, and I'm even guessing at
times. Any other info would just be fill-outs, to make it look a little
more... well... complete. :-) I mean, just translations and dates seem a
little meager to me. Then again, you do have a point. Anyone else?
/F
Fredrik Ekman
About introduc(k)tions
Message 59 -
1994-01-12 at 15:14:08
Suggestion for Mattias: Why don't you do a grep search for "introduction"
and similar words on the files with old postings? I know that I and
several other have written introductions before that can be found there.
If you don't do it, I'll go and dig up my own old introduction from there
anyway. Not that it was _that_ good, but I'm simply too lazy to write a
new one. ;-)
/F
and similar words on the files with old postings? I know that I and
several other have written introductions before that can be found there.
If you don't do it, I'll go and dig up my own old introduction from there
anyway. Not that it was _that_ good, but I'm simply too lazy to write a
new one. ;-)
/F
Mattias Hallin
Why don't I "grep" instead of gripe?
Message 60 -
1994-01-12 at 15:39:10
FREDRIK (and anyone else thinking along similar lines):
mainly, I don't "grep"
for old introduc(k)tions (like f'rinstance my own), for several reasons.
1. I don't know how.
2. I'd rather let y'all do any job except actually compiling the list. It might
be more work, compounded, that way, but it's less work for any one individual
(e.g. ME).
3. I rather have each listmembers "OK" to go on a list of introduc(k)tions,
which I would be getting, wouldn't I, if you have to actively mail me said
item.
4. Old introduc(k)tions might be less than up-to-date by now - people do change
their names, adresses, jobs, underwear...
That's why!
Hmm?
Mattias
mainly, I don't "grep"
for old introduc(k)tions (like f'rinstance my own), for several reasons.
1. I don't know how.
2. I'd rather let y'all do any job except actually compiling the list. It might
be more work, compounded, that way, but it's less work for any one individual
(e.g. ME).
3. I rather have each listmembers "OK" to go on a list of introduc(k)tions,
which I would be getting, wouldn't I, if you have to actively mail me said
item.
4. Old introduc(k)tions might be less than up-to-date by now - people do change
their names, adresses, jobs, underwear...
That's why!
Hmm?
Mattias