Don wrote:
> I never said I thought that the European translators should have
> known that $crooge was the maternal uncle of Donald. It would have been
> impossible -- that was my whole point.
Contrary to this I find it rather obvious as they have different surnames!
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Author
Topic: 199401
(189 messages)
Per Starback
Uncles
Message 31 -
1994-01-06 at 18:35:31
Wilmer Rivers
Confusing kids; Lone Ranger in LOS
Message 32 -
1994-01-06 at 18:39:49
Don Rosa responds to Harry:
> I guess I don't have to tell you that Thom Roep's explanation
> (which echoes the "official" explanation that all Disney editors are
> told to give) that giving credits in comic books would "confuse kids" is
> utter bawlderdash. Hogwash! It's foolish on the face of it.
>
This is, of course, as lame an excuse as they could possibly come up
with. For one thing, a better case could be made that **omittimg** the
credits would confuse the kids - are they supposed to believe that the
comics are being written and drawn by the late Walt Disney himself?
And how do they reconcile this policy with the practice of having
animation and scripting credits appear in cartoons? Are kids who watch
TV less easily confused than those who read comics? Also, do they
really want to go on record as claiming that kids who read Disney comics
are more easily confused than those who read other kinds of comics?
On another subject, Don writes:
> 2) I made a joke about "the Lone Ranger" in Lo$ part X, as
> Stefan says, 30 years before the creation of that character. Yes, THIS
> one was on purpose and I gave it some thought. But the gag tickled me
> and I decided to treat the L.R. as if he was an actual person.
>
Actually, the anachronism is probably less severe than you indicate. I
don't know when part X takes place, but it could be close to the publi-
cation date of Zane Gray's novel "The Lone Texas Ranger", which antedated
the "Lone Ranger" radio show by many years. (Zane Gray wrote another
novel called "Beneath the Tonto Ridge", which may also have had some
influence on the "Lone Ranger" radio show, one would think...)
Wilmer Rivers
> I guess I don't have to tell you that Thom Roep's explanation
> (which echoes the "official" explanation that all Disney editors are
> told to give) that giving credits in comic books would "confuse kids" is
> utter bawlderdash. Hogwash! It's foolish on the face of it.
>
This is, of course, as lame an excuse as they could possibly come up
with. For one thing, a better case could be made that **omittimg** the
credits would confuse the kids - are they supposed to believe that the
comics are being written and drawn by the late Walt Disney himself?
And how do they reconcile this policy with the practice of having
animation and scripting credits appear in cartoons? Are kids who watch
TV less easily confused than those who read comics? Also, do they
really want to go on record as claiming that kids who read Disney comics
are more easily confused than those who read other kinds of comics?
On another subject, Don writes:
> 2) I made a joke about "the Lone Ranger" in Lo$ part X, as
> Stefan says, 30 years before the creation of that character. Yes, THIS
> one was on purpose and I gave it some thought. But the gag tickled me
> and I decided to treat the L.R. as if he was an actual person.
>
Actually, the anachronism is probably less severe than you indicate. I
don't know when part X takes place, but it could be close to the publi-
cation date of Zane Gray's novel "The Lone Texas Ranger", which antedated
the "Lone Ranger" radio show by many years. (Zane Gray wrote another
novel called "Beneath the Tonto Ridge", which may also have had some
influence on the "Lone Ranger" radio show, one would think...)
Wilmer Rivers
George Kesidis
Comic book confidential
Message 33 -
1994-01-06 at 18:51:03
Hello all,
I caught the tail end of this thread. I saw this (NFB) movie when it
was originally screened. There's even a comic book that goes with it.
I'm not sure if it's already been mentioned, but Disney was prominently
featured in the movie when they interviewed the guy who did
"Mickey Mouse and the Air Pirates": a triple-X take off of WDC&S.
There were two issues made before Disney Sent In The Lawyers
(kind of like what happened to "Uncensored Mouse"). Something
about violating Mickey's "innocent delightfulness."
Anyway, I picked up the first issue from "Comic Relief" in
Berkeley and thought it was pretty funny though not for
all tastes. In the movie the guy who did the comic
(damn, his name escapes me) is being interviewed while
playing pool with two, uh, female friends. The best part
of the movie, IMHO.
-George
I caught the tail end of this thread. I saw this (NFB) movie when it
was originally screened. There's even a comic book that goes with it.
I'm not sure if it's already been mentioned, but Disney was prominently
featured in the movie when they interviewed the guy who did
"Mickey Mouse and the Air Pirates": a triple-X take off of WDC&S.
There were two issues made before Disney Sent In The Lawyers
(kind of like what happened to "Uncensored Mouse"). Something
about violating Mickey's "innocent delightfulness."
Anyway, I picked up the first issue from "Comic Relief" in
Berkeley and thought it was pretty funny though not for
all tastes. In the movie the guy who did the comic
(damn, his name escapes me) is being interviewed while
playing pool with two, uh, female friends. The best part
of the movie, IMHO.
-George
David A Gerstein
Mouseton
Message 34 -
1994-01-06 at 19:06:15
Hi, Folks!
Don Rosa asked for the origin of the name "Mouseton" as used
for Mickey's home town. I can't directly state it without giving some
background:
Originally, Mickey's home town in the Gottfredson strip was
seldom identified. Occasionally it was just referred to as "Hometown"
or "Homeville," but that always struck me as just being a cop-out. In
"Mickey Mouse Outwits the Phantom Blot," the name Mouseville is given,
and that seems ideal.
When Disney Comics started production in 1990, they wanted to
identify Mickey's town consistently. They looked at the "Phantom
Blot" story and prepared some stories in which the town was identified
as Mouseville. Then they prepared to go to press.
Unfortunately, their legal department informed them that the
name "Mouseville" was now a copyright infringement on -- get this! --
the hometown of Mighty Mouse. That's the dope. So the name
Mouseville could not be used for new stories!
So Bob Foster went back through some old Gladstone MM letter
columns and found a debate on the name of Mickey's town. Some letter
writers had suggested Mouseton a few times, and stuck between a rock
and a hard place, Bob plumped for it, or so he's told me.
For the last three years, it has been used consistently --
both in new stories, and in recap panels for reprints of Gottfredson
stories (i. e. "The 'Lectro Box"). In fact, it has been used *so*
often that I think that calling the town something else now would be
quite unsettling. Actually, I wouldn't *mind* Mouseville at all, but
I think that the name Mouseton is settled by now...
In European stories, Mickey is always identified as living in
Duckburg. In fact, I've seen German reprints of Gottfredson stories from as
early as 1931 referring to the town as Duckburg! It strikes me as
odd, because I find very few similarities in the appearance of the
towns.
When working on a huge MM reference project for Egmont last
year based on the American conceptions of the Mickey Mouse universe, I
worked 100% from Gottfredson, Scarpa, and the one Barks story. But
when forced to pinpoint Mickey's town, I placed it in Calisota, two
towns away from Duckburg. It's on the other side of Pickleburg.
I personally imagine Donald as growing up in Mouseton, later
moving to Duckburg. This explains Taliaferro's depiction of Donald's
early life, in which Goofy, Clarabelle, and Mickey's nephews appear.
It seemed only logical.
Please, let's not bring up the debate as to whether Mickey
lives in Donald's universe. I maintain that he does but that the two
haven't seen each other much since 1947 (the last time Mickey's
mentioned in a Barks-written Duck story), and of course, Don, that
means you'll never have to mention or show Mickey in a Duck story if
you don't want to.
(BTW: Did you show Clarabelle in your 60th Anniversary story?
By effectively coaching Donald to give up his youthful bratty ways
just before his nephews arrived and put him in a parental role, she
actually plays a very important role in Donald's life. She's also in
three Barks Daisy stories...)
Yours,
David Gerstein
"SO! Will Patrolio de Balonio de Donald Ducko PAY for his
Christmas dinner, or will he wash dishes in MY kitchen?"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Don Rosa asked for the origin of the name "Mouseton" as used
for Mickey's home town. I can't directly state it without giving some
background:
Originally, Mickey's home town in the Gottfredson strip was
seldom identified. Occasionally it was just referred to as "Hometown"
or "Homeville," but that always struck me as just being a cop-out. In
"Mickey Mouse Outwits the Phantom Blot," the name Mouseville is given,
and that seems ideal.
When Disney Comics started production in 1990, they wanted to
identify Mickey's town consistently. They looked at the "Phantom
Blot" story and prepared some stories in which the town was identified
as Mouseville. Then they prepared to go to press.
Unfortunately, their legal department informed them that the
name "Mouseville" was now a copyright infringement on -- get this! --
the hometown of Mighty Mouse. That's the dope. So the name
Mouseville could not be used for new stories!
So Bob Foster went back through some old Gladstone MM letter
columns and found a debate on the name of Mickey's town. Some letter
writers had suggested Mouseton a few times, and stuck between a rock
and a hard place, Bob plumped for it, or so he's told me.
For the last three years, it has been used consistently --
both in new stories, and in recap panels for reprints of Gottfredson
stories (i. e. "The 'Lectro Box"). In fact, it has been used *so*
often that I think that calling the town something else now would be
quite unsettling. Actually, I wouldn't *mind* Mouseville at all, but
I think that the name Mouseton is settled by now...
In European stories, Mickey is always identified as living in
Duckburg. In fact, I've seen German reprints of Gottfredson stories from as
early as 1931 referring to the town as Duckburg! It strikes me as
odd, because I find very few similarities in the appearance of the
towns.
When working on a huge MM reference project for Egmont last
year based on the American conceptions of the Mickey Mouse universe, I
worked 100% from Gottfredson, Scarpa, and the one Barks story. But
when forced to pinpoint Mickey's town, I placed it in Calisota, two
towns away from Duckburg. It's on the other side of Pickleburg.
I personally imagine Donald as growing up in Mouseton, later
moving to Duckburg. This explains Taliaferro's depiction of Donald's
early life, in which Goofy, Clarabelle, and Mickey's nephews appear.
It seemed only logical.
Please, let's not bring up the debate as to whether Mickey
lives in Donald's universe. I maintain that he does but that the two
haven't seen each other much since 1947 (the last time Mickey's
mentioned in a Barks-written Duck story), and of course, Don, that
means you'll never have to mention or show Mickey in a Duck story if
you don't want to.
(BTW: Did you show Clarabelle in your 60th Anniversary story?
By effectively coaching Donald to give up his youthful bratty ways
just before his nephews arrived and put him in a parental role, she
actually plays a very important role in Donald's life. She's also in
three Barks Daisy stories...)
Yours,
David Gerstein
"SO! Will Patrolio de Balonio de Donald Ducko PAY for his
Christmas dinner, or will he wash dishes in MY kitchen?"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Mark Mayerson
Comic book confidential
Message 35 -
1994-01-06 at 19:20:00
The artist in question was Dan O'Neill. The other air pirates included
Gary Hallgren, Bobby London, Shari Flennikin and (I think) Willy Murphy.
I've got both issues of Air Pirates Funnies and I enjoyed them. There
was also a Tortoise and Hare comic that I think included Disney references.
As I said in an earlier post, Ron Mann was interested in comics as
subverting the American way of life. Having Disney characters engaging
in various sexual activity certainly falls under that definition, while
Barks or Gottfredson's work does not. That's why Dan O'Neill gets in as
the only reference to Disney comics.
___________________________________________________________________
Mark Mayerson Side Effects Software Inc.,
Internet: mayerson at sidefx.com Toronto, Ontario, Canada
(416) 366-4607
Gary Hallgren, Bobby London, Shari Flennikin and (I think) Willy Murphy.
I've got both issues of Air Pirates Funnies and I enjoyed them. There
was also a Tortoise and Hare comic that I think included Disney references.
As I said in an earlier post, Ron Mann was interested in comics as
subverting the American way of life. Having Disney characters engaging
in various sexual activity certainly falls under that definition, while
Barks or Gottfredson's work does not. That's why Dan O'Neill gets in as
the only reference to Disney comics.
___________________________________________________________________
Mark Mayerson Side Effects Software Inc.,
Internet: mayerson at sidefx.com Toronto, Ontario, Canada
(416) 366-4607
Fabio Gadducci
Mouseton
Message 36 -
1994-01-06 at 20:40:11
About Mouseton, David wrote:
>
> In European stories, Mickey is always identified as living in
>Duckburg. In fact, I've seen German reprints of Gottfredson stories from as
>early as 1931 referring to the town as Duckburg! It strikes me as
>odd, because I find very few similarities in the appearance of the
>towns.
>
This does not happen in Italy, where the town Mickey lives in has been
consistently called "Topolinia" during the last 35 years.
Instead in the earlier translation of Barks'material, Duckburg was called
Paperinopoli, later changed to Paperopoli.
>
> When working on a huge MM reference project for Egmont last
>year based on the American conceptions of the Mickey Mouse universe, I
>worked 100% from Gottfredson, Scarpa, and the one Barks story. But
>when forced to pinpoint Mickey's town, I placed it in Calisota, two
>towns away from Duckburg. It's on the other side of Pickleburg.
>
This also happens in the works of the Italian authors, since they follow
Scarpa's topography. Btw, the characters of the two towns interact quite
often (or so it happened, at least, during the Mondadori years).
Fabio
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>
> In European stories, Mickey is always identified as living in
>Duckburg. In fact, I've seen German reprints of Gottfredson stories from as
>early as 1931 referring to the town as Duckburg! It strikes me as
>odd, because I find very few similarities in the appearance of the
>towns.
>
This does not happen in Italy, where the town Mickey lives in has been
consistently called "Topolinia" during the last 35 years.
Instead in the earlier translation of Barks'material, Duckburg was called
Paperinopoli, later changed to Paperopoli.
>
> When working on a huge MM reference project for Egmont last
>year based on the American conceptions of the Mickey Mouse universe, I
>worked 100% from Gottfredson, Scarpa, and the one Barks story. But
>when forced to pinpoint Mickey's town, I placed it in Calisota, two
>towns away from Duckburg. It's on the other side of Pickleburg.
>
This also happens in the works of the Italian authors, since they follow
Scarpa's topography. Btw, the characters of the two towns interact quite
often (or so it happened, at least, during the Mondadori years).
Fabio
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Home: +39-50-541725 Universita` di Pisa
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Mark Mayerson
Mouseton
Message 37 -
1994-01-06 at 23:04:17
It's odd that Paul Terry has a claim to Mouseville. I remember Mighty
Mouse living in Terrytown, which was a double pun. It punned on Terrytoons,
the name of Terry's cartoon series and also on Tarrytown, a real place in
New York State.
___________________________________________________________________
Mark Mayerson Side Effects Software Inc.,
Internet: mayerson at sidefx.com Toronto, Ontario, Canada
(416) 366-4607
Mouse living in Terrytown, which was a double pun. It punned on Terrytoons,
the name of Terry's cartoon series and also on Tarrytown, a real place in
New York State.
___________________________________________________________________
Mark Mayerson Side Effects Software Inc.,
Internet: mayerson at sidefx.com Toronto, Ontario, Canada
(416) 366-4607
David A Gerstein
Mouseton (Terry reference)
Message 38 -
1994-01-07 at 02:43:22
Hi, Folks!
Mark Mayerson said, when I told him that Mouseville was a
copyright infringement on Mighty Mouse's town,
"It's odd that Paul Terry has a claim to Mouseville. I
remember Mighty Mouse living in Terrytown, which was a double pun. It
punned on Terrytoons, the name of Terry's cartoon series and also on
Tarrytown, a real place in New York State."
Actually, the Terry 'toons were not the least bit
consistent... sometimes Mighty lived in Terrytown, other times in
Mouseville. When the now-infamous 1988 Bakshi-Kricfalusi Mighty Mouse
TV toon appeared, the name Mouseville was chosen for good. That name
appeared in Marvel's MiM comic, too... on the cover of more than one
issue. Many Disney Comics staffers also did work for Marvel. I think
that at that time, getting involved with a Marvel legal entanglement
was the last thing Disney wanted...
Fabio: Sounds like they've got their heads on the right way
in Italy. Mickey in Duckburg?! ;-)
Yours,
David Gerstein
"SO! Will Patrolio de Balonio de Donald Ducko PAY for his
Christmas dinner, or will he wash dishes in MY kitchen?"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Mark Mayerson said, when I told him that Mouseville was a
copyright infringement on Mighty Mouse's town,
"It's odd that Paul Terry has a claim to Mouseville. I
remember Mighty Mouse living in Terrytown, which was a double pun. It
punned on Terrytoons, the name of Terry's cartoon series and also on
Tarrytown, a real place in New York State."
Actually, the Terry 'toons were not the least bit
consistent... sometimes Mighty lived in Terrytown, other times in
Mouseville. When the now-infamous 1988 Bakshi-Kricfalusi Mighty Mouse
TV toon appeared, the name Mouseville was chosen for good. That name
appeared in Marvel's MiM comic, too... on the cover of more than one
issue. Many Disney Comics staffers also did work for Marvel. I think
that at that time, getting involved with a Marvel legal entanglement
was the last thing Disney wanted...
Fabio: Sounds like they've got their heads on the right way
in Italy. Mickey in Duckburg?! ;-)
Yours,
David Gerstein
"SO! Will Patrolio de Balonio de Donald Ducko PAY for his
Christmas dinner, or will he wash dishes in MY kitchen?"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Mattias Hallin
Diuerse alarums
Message 39 -
1994-01-07 at 13:59:55
DON:
As always: No sweat! I'll try 'n' git aholt offen one them thar
"AFTONBLADET" noospapers fer ya!!! Yassuh! Also - I live quite close to Stefan
Dios (13 minutes by local train, and a 10 minute walk) so - I'll call him right
now (it's 1 pm, so he should just be out of bed by now), and give him your
message... and now it's... DONE! And, no he hadn't just gotten outta bed - he
was still in it...
Anyway, Stefan, too, says "thanks"; for your reply, and for that you didn't get
too mad at him for fault-finding, again. He also asks me to tell you that it's
perfectly OK for him if you wanna keep in touch through me (nor is that any
problem by me...). And of course he did a bit of gleeful (but unmalicious)
crowing, on account of him being in the right, 'specially 'bout Marco Polo.
About Fanny Coot, well I don't think Byron's argument is valid IN ITSELF, but
only if he can give a good reason why Gus can't belong to the same GENEALOCIGAL
generation as Quackmore - I mean, he doesn't have to be Quackmore's AGE just
because he's his (first) cousin! If THAT is the reason, it's easilly fixed by
juggling a few birthdates: Fanny'd have to be Grandma's baby-sister, perhaps
born some 20 years later than Grandma, and then she marries a bit late, maybe
in her late twenties or early thirties, which ought to make Gus about 10 to 15
years younger than Quackmore, and 5 to 10 years older than Donald, which is how
I percieve him. In this way, all problems are solved much more neatly; and as
you've said yourself: why make things more complex than they have to be? I
don't know, maybe Byron had some better argument than just "I don't think that
feels right"??? And, yes, I know indeed that you've put a lot of thought and
effort into every little detail of this tree; but just as you feel that Matilda
is married to Ludwig van Drake (and I have NO problem with that, but rather the
opposite, actually), I guess MY version in MY personal view of Ducks and
Duckdom will have Fanny as Grandma's sister, unless Byron really has a more
convincing argument for HIS view.
By the by, what happened to... I seem to recall, that in early versions of the
tree, HD&L's FATHER was the brother of Daisy?! Which would, f'rinstance,
explain why HD&L occasionally refer to Daisy as "aunt" (they do that, don't
they? I'm not 100 % sure). I rather liked that'n - it seemed as good a choice
of father for them as anything - or maybe you're planning a story about their
parentage? and that is why there is just a "?" in the spot where their father
should be??? Also, if this was really so, there'd be no real need for that
"Friends of the Family" panel; instead Daisy could be included in the tree with
her siblings (there should be at least one more sibling - the parent, possibly
the mother? of AM&J, who'd then be first cousins of HD&L, but no bloodrelation
to Donald or the other Ducks, Coots and McDucks).
DAVID (and Don and Harry):
About Hometown/Mouseville/Mouseton, that article I
wrote in NAFS(k)uriren outlined the same development that you explained, David,
but there are a few more angles to it, as regards whether they're ONE town or
several. My argument in NK was that Hometown without doubt is on the EAST
coast, and for several reasons: it's on the seaboard, and you travel WESTWARDS
from there to get to the western USA, while you travel EASTWARDS to get home
again, and they say about Mickey that "A little feller f'um back east licked"
some Wild West outlaw (the Bat Bandit, or possibly Wolf Barker - I don't
recall). So I think it's pretty clear that Gottfredson in his earlier stories
were pretty clear that he thought of Mickey as living on the East Coast. Now,
there are two major possiblities to develop this. Either we want to think of
Mickey living in the same town his entire life, i.e. the town changes it's name
from Hometown to Homeville to Mouseville (perhaps in honor of it's by then most
famous denizen?) to Mouseton (if not for copyright reasons, perhaps because the
town outgrew "-ville", or wanted to connect it's name to the original "-town"
of Hometown?). If this is so, then Mickey still lives on the East Coast.
Otherwise, we have to accept that Mickey left hometown sometime in the late
thirties, and moved west to what then was Mouseville, which in turn became
Mouseton for some reason. I dunno - maybe there are further explanations yet?
Any ol' how - have a nice weekend and Gut Shabbes and whatever, y'all
Bye f'r know
Mattias
As always: No sweat! I'll try 'n' git aholt offen one them thar
"AFTONBLADET" noospapers fer ya!!! Yassuh! Also - I live quite close to Stefan
Dios (13 minutes by local train, and a 10 minute walk) so - I'll call him right
now (it's 1 pm, so he should just be out of bed by now), and give him your
message... and now it's... DONE! And, no he hadn't just gotten outta bed - he
was still in it...
Anyway, Stefan, too, says "thanks"; for your reply, and for that you didn't get
too mad at him for fault-finding, again. He also asks me to tell you that it's
perfectly OK for him if you wanna keep in touch through me (nor is that any
problem by me...). And of course he did a bit of gleeful (but unmalicious)
crowing, on account of him being in the right, 'specially 'bout Marco Polo.
About Fanny Coot, well I don't think Byron's argument is valid IN ITSELF, but
only if he can give a good reason why Gus can't belong to the same GENEALOCIGAL
generation as Quackmore - I mean, he doesn't have to be Quackmore's AGE just
because he's his (first) cousin! If THAT is the reason, it's easilly fixed by
juggling a few birthdates: Fanny'd have to be Grandma's baby-sister, perhaps
born some 20 years later than Grandma, and then she marries a bit late, maybe
in her late twenties or early thirties, which ought to make Gus about 10 to 15
years younger than Quackmore, and 5 to 10 years older than Donald, which is how
I percieve him. In this way, all problems are solved much more neatly; and as
you've said yourself: why make things more complex than they have to be? I
don't know, maybe Byron had some better argument than just "I don't think that
feels right"??? And, yes, I know indeed that you've put a lot of thought and
effort into every little detail of this tree; but just as you feel that Matilda
is married to Ludwig van Drake (and I have NO problem with that, but rather the
opposite, actually), I guess MY version in MY personal view of Ducks and
Duckdom will have Fanny as Grandma's sister, unless Byron really has a more
convincing argument for HIS view.
By the by, what happened to... I seem to recall, that in early versions of the
tree, HD&L's FATHER was the brother of Daisy?! Which would, f'rinstance,
explain why HD&L occasionally refer to Daisy as "aunt" (they do that, don't
they? I'm not 100 % sure). I rather liked that'n - it seemed as good a choice
of father for them as anything - or maybe you're planning a story about their
parentage? and that is why there is just a "?" in the spot where their father
should be??? Also, if this was really so, there'd be no real need for that
"Friends of the Family" panel; instead Daisy could be included in the tree with
her siblings (there should be at least one more sibling - the parent, possibly
the mother? of AM&J, who'd then be first cousins of HD&L, but no bloodrelation
to Donald or the other Ducks, Coots and McDucks).
DAVID (and Don and Harry):
About Hometown/Mouseville/Mouseton, that article I
wrote in NAFS(k)uriren outlined the same development that you explained, David,
but there are a few more angles to it, as regards whether they're ONE town or
several. My argument in NK was that Hometown without doubt is on the EAST
coast, and for several reasons: it's on the seaboard, and you travel WESTWARDS
from there to get to the western USA, while you travel EASTWARDS to get home
again, and they say about Mickey that "A little feller f'um back east licked"
some Wild West outlaw (the Bat Bandit, or possibly Wolf Barker - I don't
recall). So I think it's pretty clear that Gottfredson in his earlier stories
were pretty clear that he thought of Mickey as living on the East Coast. Now,
there are two major possiblities to develop this. Either we want to think of
Mickey living in the same town his entire life, i.e. the town changes it's name
from Hometown to Homeville to Mouseville (perhaps in honor of it's by then most
famous denizen?) to Mouseton (if not for copyright reasons, perhaps because the
town outgrew "-ville", or wanted to connect it's name to the original "-town"
of Hometown?). If this is so, then Mickey still lives on the East Coast.
Otherwise, we have to accept that Mickey left hometown sometime in the late
thirties, and moved west to what then was Mouseville, which in turn became
Mouseton for some reason. I dunno - maybe there are further explanations yet?
Any ol' how - have a nice weekend and Gut Shabbes and whatever, y'all
Bye f'r know
Mattias
Don Rosa
+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #205.
Message 40 -
1994-01-07 at 16:23:23
PER:
Say, you brought up a VERY obvious point that never occurred to
me... and which I must now ask the Swedish listeners about:
Regardless that "farbror" (sic?) indicates that $crooge is
Donald's paternal uncle, how could anyone ever accept this as being
accurate if they have two different last names????
DAVID:
About Mouseton -- that's just what I'd expected! I had never
heard the name until Disney Comics used it, and in light of everything
they did to poor Mickey, from super-villain penguins to the Phantom
Blot's niece wearing a Blot suit and being named "Blottie", I would
resist its usage vehemently were it up to me. I wish to wipe away
evrything from those 38 months the way they did in DALLAS when Pam
dreamed a season of episodes. But if everyone else accepts it, I'll go
along. I prefer, however, not to believe Mouseton is in Calisota, but is
somewhere on the eastern seaboard, keeping Mickey as far from Duckberg
as can be managed.
No, I didn't use Clarabelle in my 60th Birthday story. Barks
drew her in some Daisy Duck stories, and he also drew Clara Cluck in
some of those, and Dumbo in one Grandma Duck tale, and maybe other
atrocities! But Barks did not WRITE those stories. Therefore I am free
to ignore them.
Say, you brought up a VERY obvious point that never occurred to
me... and which I must now ask the Swedish listeners about:
Regardless that "farbror" (sic?) indicates that $crooge is
Donald's paternal uncle, how could anyone ever accept this as being
accurate if they have two different last names????
DAVID:
About Mouseton -- that's just what I'd expected! I had never
heard the name until Disney Comics used it, and in light of everything
they did to poor Mickey, from super-villain penguins to the Phantom
Blot's niece wearing a Blot suit and being named "Blottie", I would
resist its usage vehemently were it up to me. I wish to wipe away
evrything from those 38 months the way they did in DALLAS when Pam
dreamed a season of episodes. But if everyone else accepts it, I'll go
along. I prefer, however, not to believe Mouseton is in Calisota, but is
somewhere on the eastern seaboard, keeping Mickey as far from Duckberg
as can be managed.
No, I didn't use Clarabelle in my 60th Birthday story. Barks
drew her in some Daisy Duck stories, and he also drew Clara Cluck in
some of those, and Dumbo in one Grandma Duck tale, and maybe other
atrocities! But Barks did not WRITE those stories. Therefore I am free
to ignore them.
Don Rosa
+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #206.
Message 41 -
1994-01-08 at 06:30:09
MATTIAS:
This is superb! Now Stefan has an almost instantaneous line to
me if he needs to ask a question for a translation. If he had gotten
word to me sooner about that incorrect "=", I might have gotten it
corrected, and now he'll have a way to reach me on almost a moment's
notice.
As for whether Byron had a better reason for "changing" the tree
(if changing is the right word for what was done with something which
had never really existed beforehand), I think the idea of Gus Goose
being of the same Duck generation as $crooge McDuck might have been all
there was... and still, I think that would be a pretty odd situation. As
to whether our choice makes things more complicated, that sounded like a
pretty complicated explanation for how your method of Gus being only 5
to 10 years older than Donald, whereas I never felt they were anymore
than a few years apart, and maybe Donald being the older. But, I'm not
trying to find one way better than the other -- they both have their
points, as we knew -- but we made our choice and now we're stuck with
it.
As for Daisy being HDL's aunt... I still think she is. They told
me to not put that on the tree as it would have been very difficult to
fit and would have screwed up the upwards flow. Besides, it remains to
be seen whether anyone will like as much as we HAVE put in... as with
Gus. Better we stopped when we did. But as with the Ludwig idea, I do
feel that Daisy is HDL's aunt, their father's sister.
PER:
Interesting news: Gary Leach, Gladstone's art director, would
like to begin receiving these digests over here on COMPUSERVE, as I do.
This will give the group a direct line into what Gladstone is doing and
thinking, or as much as we are allowed to know. His user-number is
73633,152.
This is superb! Now Stefan has an almost instantaneous line to
me if he needs to ask a question for a translation. If he had gotten
word to me sooner about that incorrect "=", I might have gotten it
corrected, and now he'll have a way to reach me on almost a moment's
notice.
As for whether Byron had a better reason for "changing" the tree
(if changing is the right word for what was done with something which
had never really existed beforehand), I think the idea of Gus Goose
being of the same Duck generation as $crooge McDuck might have been all
there was... and still, I think that would be a pretty odd situation. As
to whether our choice makes things more complicated, that sounded like a
pretty complicated explanation for how your method of Gus being only 5
to 10 years older than Donald, whereas I never felt they were anymore
than a few years apart, and maybe Donald being the older. But, I'm not
trying to find one way better than the other -- they both have their
points, as we knew -- but we made our choice and now we're stuck with
it.
As for Daisy being HDL's aunt... I still think she is. They told
me to not put that on the tree as it would have been very difficult to
fit and would have screwed up the upwards flow. Besides, it remains to
be seen whether anyone will like as much as we HAVE put in... as with
Gus. Better we stopped when we did. But as with the Ludwig idea, I do
feel that Daisy is HDL's aunt, their father's sister.
PER:
Interesting news: Gary Leach, Gladstone's art director, would
like to begin receiving these digests over here on COMPUSERVE, as I do.
This will give the group a direct line into what Gladstone is doing and
thinking, or as much as we are allowed to know. His user-number is
73633,152.
Per Starback
Years, Daisy and Gary Leach
Message 42 -
1994-01-08 at 08:32:03
Don wrote:
> ... [Mattias's] method of Gus being only 5 to 10 years older than
> Donald, whereas I never felt they were anymore than a few years
> apart, and maybe Donald being the older.
That reminds me that I think you wrote before that had made up some
years of birth on your family tree. Is that right? What years were
they? (There are no years of birth in the published version in
Sweden.) I know that Scrooge is born in 1867 according to you, but
what about the others?
I see no reason at all to believe that Daisy is HDL's aunt. Please
clue me in!
> Interesting news: Gary Leach, Gladstone's art director, would
> like to begin receiving these digests over here on COMPUSERVE, as I do.
> This will give the group a direct line into what Gladstone is doing and
> thinking, or as much as we are allowed to know.
I've added him now. Welcome, Gary!
Well, what is Gladstone thinking? :-)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
> ... [Mattias's] method of Gus being only 5 to 10 years older than
> Donald, whereas I never felt they were anymore than a few years
> apart, and maybe Donald being the older.
That reminds me that I think you wrote before that had made up some
years of birth on your family tree. Is that right? What years were
they? (There are no years of birth in the published version in
Sweden.) I know that Scrooge is born in 1867 according to you, but
what about the others?
I see no reason at all to believe that Daisy is HDL's aunt. Please
clue me in!
> Interesting news: Gary Leach, Gladstone's art director, would
> like to begin receiving these digests over here on COMPUSERVE, as I do.
> This will give the group a direct line into what Gladstone is doing and
> thinking, or as much as we are allowed to know.
I've added him now. Welcome, Gary!
Well, what is Gladstone thinking? :-)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Mattias Hallin
Various
Message 43 -
1994-01-10 at 10:37:51
DON:
Yep, you've got a link to Stefan alright; here's another message from him:
he'd like you to let him know in as much detail as possible about your current
changes in GotLL, as soon as possible, if possible. I got an impression he
hoped to be able to include the changes in the Swedish published version (?),
but I'm not sure about that. I'm sure he made the request, though!
About complexity of explanation, I still think juggling birthdates of such
reasonably minor characters as Fanny and Gus is less complicated than
explaining away why they're called "aunt" and "cousin" even when they're not...
Although of course, MY particular line of reasoning might have been a bit
obstruse. But as you say - it's done now, isn't it?
PER:
I'm quite certain I recall at LEAST one instance in a Barks comic where
HD&L refer to daisy as "aunt". That's a reason, ain't it now?
HARRY:
Yep - I'll try't' oblige ya, too!
All me best
Mattias
Yep, you've got a link to Stefan alright; here's another message from him:
he'd like you to let him know in as much detail as possible about your current
changes in GotLL, as soon as possible, if possible. I got an impression he
hoped to be able to include the changes in the Swedish published version (?),
but I'm not sure about that. I'm sure he made the request, though!
About complexity of explanation, I still think juggling birthdates of such
reasonably minor characters as Fanny and Gus is less complicated than
explaining away why they're called "aunt" and "cousin" even when they're not...
Although of course, MY particular line of reasoning might have been a bit
obstruse. But as you say - it's done now, isn't it?
PER:
I'm quite certain I recall at LEAST one instance in a Barks comic where
HD&L refer to daisy as "aunt". That's a reason, ain't it now?
HARRY:
Yep - I'll try't' oblige ya, too!
All me best
Mattias
Don Rosa
+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #207.
Message 44 -
1994-01-10 at 16:29:00
(I'm short of time today! Remind me tomorrow and I'll list ALL
of the birth/death dates of all the Ducks, according to my personal
notes.)
Why should Daisy be HDL's aunt? No good reason. It was a way to
get her onto the family tree which I knew all the publishers and readers
would want, and it was a completely reasonalble possibility. We decided
not to mess with the idea, and when the Family Tree was sent out, sure
enough, all the publishers objected not only that Daisy wasn't on the
Tree but also that GYRO wasn't on the Tree! So I had to build a side-bar
showing Daisy, AM&J, and Gyro, both to include them "on" the Tree and
also to say by demonstration "THESE CHARACTERS AREN'T RELATED TO
DONALD, YOU DOLTS!", more or less. I'm surprised they didn't demand that
Mickey be included in the Tree. I'll never forgive myself that we
included Fethry!
of the birth/death dates of all the Ducks, according to my personal
notes.)
Why should Daisy be HDL's aunt? No good reason. It was a way to
get her onto the family tree which I knew all the publishers and readers
would want, and it was a completely reasonalble possibility. We decided
not to mess with the idea, and when the Family Tree was sent out, sure
enough, all the publishers objected not only that Daisy wasn't on the
Tree but also that GYRO wasn't on the Tree! So I had to build a side-bar
showing Daisy, AM&J, and Gyro, both to include them "on" the Tree and
also to say by demonstration "THESE CHARACTERS AREN'T RELATED TO
DONALD, YOU DOLTS!", more or less. I'm surprised they didn't demand that
Mickey be included in the Tree. I'll never forgive myself that we
included Fethry!
Andrew Krieg 5-5379
Disney-comics digest #197.
Message 45 -
1994-01-10 at 17:45:00
PER writes:
>>"Roll out the velvet carpet! Sound the klaxons! The master actor of
>> the ages has arrived!" (Donald in WDC 128)
>>PS: What is a klaxon, by the way?
Actually it should be capitalized, as Klaxon is a trademark for a loud horn
formerly used on automobiles.
DON:
Have you located your cache of Captain Kentucky books yet? I still would like
to purchase one of the volumes (I forget which one I need at the moment).
GARY LEACH:
Welcome to the Disney mailing list! Please don't take any personal offense
at some of the Disney/Gladstone bashing that may take place here (like my
P.S. below). We're just a bunch of very frustrated Disney fans who only want
the best for our comics. I would like to thank you for the excellent line of
graphic albums you have produced so far. I cherish my complete collection.
I'm one of those oddballs who prefers comics in color, hence I didn't purchase
the Carl Barks Library. The current line of graphic album reprints have been
a godsend to me.
Is there any way we can get some of the earlier Carl Barks trading cards, from
back when they were randomly inserted into the albums)? I get my comics from
a mail-order subscription company, so I have no control over what copies I get
of books. I ended up with 3 Bolivars, and I'm missing the Heuy, Dewie and
Louie and the Black Pete cards.
P.S. Is anyone else hacked off at Gladstone for not reprinting any new
Gottfredson strips? Oh boy, we get Hoppy the Kangaroo again. Yippee!
:^(
>>"Roll out the velvet carpet! Sound the klaxons! The master actor of
>> the ages has arrived!" (Donald in WDC 128)
>>PS: What is a klaxon, by the way?
Actually it should be capitalized, as Klaxon is a trademark for a loud horn
formerly used on automobiles.
DON:
Have you located your cache of Captain Kentucky books yet? I still would like
to purchase one of the volumes (I forget which one I need at the moment).
GARY LEACH:
Welcome to the Disney mailing list! Please don't take any personal offense
at some of the Disney/Gladstone bashing that may take place here (like my
P.S. below). We're just a bunch of very frustrated Disney fans who only want
the best for our comics. I would like to thank you for the excellent line of
graphic albums you have produced so far. I cherish my complete collection.
I'm one of those oddballs who prefers comics in color, hence I didn't purchase
the Carl Barks Library. The current line of graphic album reprints have been
a godsend to me.
Is there any way we can get some of the earlier Carl Barks trading cards, from
back when they were randomly inserted into the albums)? I get my comics from
a mail-order subscription company, so I have no control over what copies I get
of books. I ended up with 3 Bolivars, and I'm missing the Heuy, Dewie and
Louie and the Black Pete cards.
P.S. Is anyone else hacked off at Gladstone for not reprinting any new
Gottfredson strips? Oh boy, we get Hoppy the Kangaroo again. Yippee!
:^(