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Wilmer Rivers
It's a little bit afield for the stated subject of this news-group, but
I suspect that most members would nevertheless like to know, in case
they hadn't already heard, that Woody Woodpecker's creator Walter Lantz
died today (Tuesday, March 22) at age 93.

Wilmer Rivers
Mark Mayerson
It may be because David Gerstein is temporarily away, but it seems
things are a bit quiet here. Maybe it's just a delay in getting
messages to my system.

Anyway, I've been meaning to ask Don Rosa a whole bunch of technical
questions. These may have been covered earlier, but since I don't have
ftp access I haven't been able to browse material from before I
subscribed.

So, Don, I'm going to ask you all the typical Cartoonist Profiles type
of questions. How big are your originals? Are you working at the 10 x 15
inch size that seems to be standard for modern American comics?

What tools do you use to ink? What pen and brush? What do you use
to letter with?

Do you actually letter your comics or just provide empty balloons and
a script for Egmont? If you don't do the English lettering, does
Gladstone add it?

Do you pencil all the detail you are always going on about, or add it
in the inking stage?

Writing and research aside, how long does it take you to pencil and ink a
single page?

Changing the subject, I'd like to thank Wilmer Rivers for mentioning
that Walter Lantz had died. It was the first I heard of it.

Lantz does have several direct connections to Disney. Lantz was the
final studio to end up with Disney's Oswald character. Charles Mintz,
Hugh Harman and Rudy Ising took it away from Disney before Universal
took it away from them and handed it to Lantz.

Also, the Lantz studio served as a congenial resting place for many
ex-Disney animators in the 1940's, including Dick Lundy, Shamus Culhane,
Fred Moore, Grim Natwick and Ed Love. The Lantz cartoons from about 1943
to 1948 are beautifully done, even if the characters and gags aren't that
memorable.
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Don Rosa
MARK:
Since I never intended to become a professional comic booker, I
never made any investigation of what standard materials or practices are
for the industry -- I suspect NOTHING I do is done the way anyone else
does it, so I always warn people to not put the slightest bit of value
on anything I tell them I do, how I do it or the tools I use. I've just
made it all up on my own and I have no notion of how it's supposed to be
done. I'm sure there are much better methods, as my results and the time
it takes for me to achieve even THEM attests.
Actually, Egmont dictates the size of my originals, which is
okay by me, except maybe that they have me draw rather large, which only
means I'll take that much more time to fit in more detail. I do each
page in two halves, each half being about 12.5" X 9" (whatever that is
in the metric system I use), making a full page about 12.5" X 18".
"Tools" are my biggest area of ignorance. If I knew what I was
doing, I'd have learned how to use a single brush such as Van Horn might
use. Instead, all I know are pens. I use up to EIGHT pens (and brushes)
on EACH PANEL. I start with a calligraphy pen (which gives me line
variation in a single stroke) for the "close-up" (thick lined) stuff,
then an italics pen (same wedge tip as the C. pen, only smaller), then a
"drawing" pen (plain tip), then two sizes of Rapid-O-graph (technical)
pens for straight lines and templated things. Then a speed-ball to fill
in the small black areas, then a medium brush to fill in larger black
areas, then a tiny brush to spend about a half-hour on each page WHITING
OUT lots of mistakes, evening out the ends of cross-hatching, and
blotting out whole vistas of needless and irritating detail that you
never even see.
I mentioned templates: I use stacks of templates and curves.
Templates are those plastic sheets with all sorts and sizes of circles,
ellipses, ovals and such. I use these WHENEVER I can, often doing a
large part of each page just with these "mechanical drawing" tools --
undoubtedly my engineering degree showing. For example, with templates I
ink all nephew heads, all eyes and eyeballs, $crooge's glasses and the
upper portion of his top hat, all buttons, nephew's hats, and even their
feet and bills in certain angles. That's just the DUCKS themselves --
naturally anything else in every panel that involves a circle or
angle-view of same, or any gentle curve like a motion line, ALL this
will I ink meticulously with technical equipment! Obviously, this is not
the technique of a normal cartoonist -- it's the technique of an insane
person.
Lettering? Think about what you're asking. How could I letter my
stories when they are simultaneously printed in about 20 languages by
Egmont alone. At Gladstone, as the credits say, the lettering is done by
people they hire; lettering on my stories is now done by Todd Klein who
normally letters for other companies, but is a big Duck fan and
requested the job of lettering my stories. So, yes, I simply ink in the
empty balloons. The size I make the balloons is guess-work -- my
instructions are to generously estimate the balloon size for English
(this will accomodate most languages) then ADD one full line for Finnish
(this is called the Finnishing Touch). But the balloons you see on my
stories in Gladstone comics are NOT MINE, and the art around the edges
of the balloons is NOT MINE. Somebody has always whited out those extra
large balloons (using stats), redrawn smaller ones and finished the art
in around the smaller balloons. I am very grateful for the trouble they
take to make my stories look nice by eliminating the big, bulky
balloons.
Yes, most of the needless and irritating detail is done in the
pencil stage. On the other hand, some of what I feel are my best gags do
not appear in my scripts, but leap off my pencil as I draw without my
seeming to think about it. Actually, my scripts usually contain only
plot and dialogue -- it's not until I draw the stuff that the stories
become funny simply because I don't take my stories seriously. The humor
is almost an afterthought.
Time: I hope to draw a page a day. That doesn't mean I pencil
and then ink one page at a time. But while I pencil I try to do 4
half-pages per day, and later INK that same amount -- this then averages
one full page per day. However, with the type of stuff I do, I NEVER
seem to meet that goal; this $#@%*& Croesus story I just did with
ancient temples with 127 fluted columns, took much longer -- only 3
half-pages per day, adding many extra days to the job.

What else?
Harry Fluks
David asked about the Jippes story in last
month's WDC&S ("High-Flying Picnic"):

> Important question: The author of Donald's ballooning book in
> that story, Hotwind J. Flated, is clearly a caricature of Carl Barks.
> Some of the ink lines look altered. Was this a Barks caricature in
> the Dutch version as well? If so, has it been altered for its
> appearance here?

In the Dutch version the book has no author at all: no picture on the
book, and no name is mentioned. The book has only a title on the front cover,
and a picture of a balloon on the back cover.

Jippes did draw a Barks caricature in another story (a Junior Woodchuck
redraw). Maybe Gladstone used that one in this story?

--Harry.
Mikko Henri Juhani Aittola
Hi folks!

I've been reading this list some time now. And I can tell
you that you have given me hard time to follow your
discussions. I live in Finland and I don't have a clue
about English story names or most of the English
character names.

Luckily I reread the first message and found out that via
ftp I could get MUCH information. I couldn't find the
English names of the characters in 'family-tree' though.
So could somebody tell me those, starting with upper left
Huey (or Dewey or Louey) and ending at lower right Gary
Gearloose?

I have couple of questions about Don Rosa index file. For
example the first part of Lo$ (D 91308). Index says that
in scandinavia the story was published in K92-33 (DN).
Does this mean that it has only been published in Danmark
and Norway? I didn't find this story from my brothers
issues (LOTS of issues were missing), but whenI bought
the Uncle $crooge #285 I could swear that I've read the
story before.

Finnish Aku Ankka (Donald Duck) books are similar to
Swedish Kalle Anka's, at least mostly. The index file says
that 'Return to Xanadu' (D 90314) was published in K91-13.
I couldn't find this issue either. The story is 30 page
long and I don't remember any 32-page long Aku Ankka's
containing only one story. So perhaps Swedish issue was
different?

DON:

Have you decided that Ducks should really get to the
MIDDLE of the earth. I mean they could TRY it, but maybe
it's impossible for them to get there?
The predictable thing about the story would be that
$croogey gets info saying center of the earth is made of
gold, but it's interesting to see what you can come up
with.

/Mikko Aittola
Mikko Henri Juhani Aittola
Hi folks!

I've been reading this list some time now. And I can tell
you that you have given me hard time to follow your
discussions. I live in Finland and I don't have a clue
about English story names or most of the English
character names.

Luckily I reread the first message and found out that via
ftp I could get MUCH information. I couldn't find the
English names of the characters in 'family-tree' though.
So could somebody tell me those, starting with upper left
Huey (or Dewey or Louey) and ending at lower right Gary
Gearloose?

I have couple of questions about Don Rosa index file. For
example the first part of Lo$ (D 91308). Index says that
in scandinavia the story was published in K92-33 (DN).
Does this mean that it has only been published in Danmark
and Norway? I didn't find this story from my brothers
issues (LOTS of issues were missing), but whenI bought
the Uncle $crooge #285 I could swear that I've read the
story before.

Finnish Aku Ankka (Donald Duck) books are similar to
Swedish Kalle Anka's, at least mostly. The index file says
that 'Return to Xanadu' (D 90314) was published in K91-13.
I couldn't find this issue either. The story is 30 page
long and I don't remember any 32-page long Aku Ankka's
containing only one story. So perhaps Swedish issue was
different?

DON:

Have you decided that Ducks should really get to the
MIDDLE of the earth. I mean they could TRY it, but maybe
it's impossible for them to get there?
The predictable thing about the story would be that
$croogey gets info saying center of the earth is made of
gold, but it's interesting to see what you can come up
with.

/Mikko Aittola
Fredrik Ekman
Mikko Aittola wrote:
> I can tell
> you that you have given me hard time to follow your
> discussions. I live in Finland and I don't have a clue
> about English story names or most of the English
> character names.

Didn't you get an extract of our list of character name
translations when you joined? I thought Per used to send
one of those to all non English speaking members. Tell me
if you want a Finnish-English character list and I'll send
it to you. There has been some sort of a vote agains
including all the names of the family tree in this list,
but the most important ones will be there. Coincidentally,
Finnish isn't the most complete language but if I remember
correctly, there are some 30 entries.

> ... the first part of Lo$ (D 91308). Index says that
> in scandinavia the story was published in K92-33 (DN).
> Does this mean that it has only been published in Danmark
> and Norway?

The DR index deals with Swedish, Danish and Norwegian
publications only. Thus, DN means that it was NOT published
in Sweden. We don't know about Finland.

> The index file says
> that 'Return to Xanadu' (D 90314) was published in K91-13.
> I couldn't find this issue either. The story is 30 page
> long and I don't remember any 32-page long Aku Ankka's
> containing only one story.

In Sweden, "Return to Xanadu" was published in a special
extra issue that was included together with the normal one.
K91-13 was thus actually two comic books rather than one.

/F
Mark Mayerson
Don:

Thanks very much for the detailed run down on how you work. I find it
interesting that you draw each page as two half pages. That's the way
that Barks worked in the 1950's. It's also the way that Uderzo works
on Asterix. I'm not aware of any American comics, other than your own,
that are being drawn this way anymore.

When I asked about the lettering, I thought that the English lettering
might be put in on the original artwork and that the other languages would
just be pasted on top. Thanks for clearing that up.

I never guessed that Gladstone shrank your balloons and touched up the
artwork. I'll be checking around balloons to see if I can tell where
your art leaves off and the touchup begins.
___________________________________________________________________
Mark Mayerson Side Effects Software Inc.,
Internet: mayerson at sidefx.com Toronto, Ontario, Canada
(416) 366-4607
Mikko Henri Juhani Aittola
Hi folks!

I've been reading this list some time now. And I can tell
you that you have given me hard time to follow your
discussions. I live in Finland and I don't have a clue
about English story names or most of the English
character names.

Luckily I reread the first message and found out that via
ftp I could get MUCH information. I couldn't find the
English names of the characters in 'family-tree' though.
So could somebody tell me those, starting with upper left
Huey (or Dewey or Louey) and ending at lower right Gary
Gearloose?

I have couple of questions about Don Rosa index file. For
example the first part of Lo$ (D 91308). Index says that
in scandinavia the story was published in K92-33 (DN).
Does this mean that it has only been published in Danmark
and Norway? I didn't find this story from my brothers
issues (LOTS of issues were missing), but whenI bought
the Uncle $crooge #285 I could swear that I've read the
story before.

Finnish Aku Ankka (Donald Duck) books are similar to
Swedish Kalle Anka's, at least mostly. The index file says
that 'Return to Xanadu' (D 90314) was published in K91-13.
I couldn't find this issue either. The story is 30 page
long and I don't remember any 32-page long Aku Ankka's
containing only one story. So perhaps Swedish issue was
different?

DON:

Have you decided that Ducks should really get to the
MIDDLE of the earth. I mean they could TRY it, but maybe
it's impossible for them to get there?
The predictable thing about the story would be that
$croogey gets info saying center of the earth is made of
gold, but it's interesting to see what you can come up
with.

/Mikko Aittola
Mark Semich
Mikko Aittola writes:
>DON:
> Have you decided that Ducks should really get to the
> MIDDLE of the earth. I mean they could TRY it, but maybe
> it's impossible for them to get there?

I'm very curious how you plan to have them get through the liquid
outer core. I remember you mentioning that you were thinking of a
tube of some sort. Given that there is a *lot* of motion in the many
different layers, I wonder how feasable this would be. Although
without it, any sort of vessel would instantly melt... Unless Gyro
rigged something up?

I was wondering if floating bits of solid matter might help at all,
maybe they could dig from one to the other as they pass each other, but
that probably wouldn't work.

> The predictable thing about the story would be that
> $croogey gets info saying center of the earth is made of
> gold, but it's interesting to see what you can come up
> with.

Actually, my guess would be that the great pressures have created a
core consisting of one huge diamond.
Mattias Hallin
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Fredrik Ekman
Hi gang!

Since it's kind of quiet around here with both Mattias and
David away for easter hollidays, I thought I could just go
ahead and announce the latest issue of Swedish Kalle Anka &
Co. I assume that the other Scandinavian issues are the same
or at least very similar.

This double-sized easter issue is the best I've seen for a
very long time. It has one ten-pager and one one-pager by
Barks. How long has it been since a regular Swedish issue
carried two Barks comics? I can't remember any for a couple
of years at least. It also has the latest Van Horn story; a
brilliant ten-pager about spring cleaning. There are also
several unusually good Egmont stories, the first of them the
best Egmont (except Rosa and Van Horn) that I've read for a
very long time. And as if this wasn't enough, there's a
wonderful poster of one of Barks' oils, four times the size
of the comic book.

Don't miss it!

/F
Mark Mayerson
I recently got Mike Barrier's Barks book, and in reading it saw a reference
to Jack Chalker's Informal Biography of Scrooge McDuck. That came out in 1974.

I remember knowing about it but I've never seen it. Anybody have any comments?
Also, I assume that Don Rosa is familiar with it and I'm wondering if it was
any help/hinderance on his Life of Scrooge series.

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Mark Mayerson Side Effects Software Inc.,
Internet: mayerson at sidefx.com Toronto, Ontario, Canada
(416) 366-4607
Tryg Helseth
On Sun, 27 Mar 1994 07:24:12 -0500,
Mark Mayerson <mayerson at sidefx.sidefx.com> wrote:

>
>I recently got Mike Barrier's Barks book, and in reading it saw a reference
>to Jack Chalker's Informal Biography of Scrooge McDuck. That came out in 1974.

I have that book. I bought it back in 1974 and it inspired me to complete my
collection of Uncle Scrooge.
>
>I remember knowing about it but I've never seen it. Anybody have any comments?
>Also, I assume that Don Rosa is familiar with it and I'm wondering if it was
>any help/hinderance on his Life of Scrooge series.

It's been many years since I read that book, but from what I remember, It
only used material that had appeared in Barks stories. He basically tried
to put the material into some form of chronological order and tie it to
events that occured in the real world. A very delightful book--especially
since it appeared at a time when there was not much written about Barks and
Scrooge in the US.

Tryg

Tryg Helseth <trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu> Minneapolis, MN, USA
or <tryg.helseth at tstation.mn.org>

"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes
Per Starback
Dwight R. Decker wrote in his subscription request to the mailing list:

> I'm a translator, and I've translated European Disney comics
> from several different languages into English for Gladstone,
> Disney, and Egmont in the past few years. I can read Danish and
> Swedish, if that helps.

Hej! Roligt att du gick med! Then I guess you know many languages as
Danish and Swedish probably not are among those several different
languages you translate from. I guess most of the Disney comics
translated into English are Dutch stories translated for Gladstone or
Egmont, right? Do they coordinate efforts so as to not translate the
same story several times?
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Those were samples for your *foreign* office! The directions were
printed in *Sowbuggian*!"
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