WELL...
it's been kinda dull on here for the last 36 hours or so -- has everyone
gone away to see their mother, or what? (I do after all count upon you folks to
make my coffeebreak worthwile!).
DON:
What is your present project, now that you've finished Lo$? Are you doing
anything right now, or just planning sumpin'? Or would you rather not dicuss
that topic? Maybe getting a spot of well-earned rest?
Also, I remember you said you are going to N~rnberg this summer. Any other
places in Europe you'll be visiting? How long will you be over here? Why am I
such a curious nosey-parker?
Anyway -- my regards to all as always
Hmm...
Mattias
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Topic: 199403
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Mattias Hallin
Whatcher up ta naow?
Message 76 -
1994-03-16 at 10:47:33
Harry Fluks
Here's some non-information for your coffee break...
Message 77 -
1994-03-16 at 12:59:33
Mattias:
> it's been kinda dull on here for the last 36 hours or so -- has
> everyone gone away to see their mother, or what?
No, but, in fact, it's my mother's birthday today and I will leave to visit
her right after this. My parents live on the other side of Holland, which is
a 2.5 hour ride... I won't be back before next monday.
And though I haven't mailed anything the past few days, I've been quite
busy with the 'disney comics database'.
Also, I printed ALL the digests from November till now, for my friend
Daniel who has no internet connection but is a big Disney-comics fan.
Have you ever seen that much Disney comics information in print? It'a a
pile of about 7 cm, and I printed it in extra small font!
BTW: there *was* some traffic on the news group 'rec.arts.disney'.
Someone said he was Donald's FDC. David replied to that. David, can you
tell us what an FDC is?
--Harry.
Harry PTT Research ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
Fluks Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
> it's been kinda dull on here for the last 36 hours or so -- has
> everyone gone away to see their mother, or what?
No, but, in fact, it's my mother's birthday today and I will leave to visit
her right after this. My parents live on the other side of Holland, which is
a 2.5 hour ride... I won't be back before next monday.
And though I haven't mailed anything the past few days, I've been quite
busy with the 'disney comics database'.
Also, I printed ALL the digests from November till now, for my friend
Daniel who has no internet connection but is a big Disney-comics fan.
Have you ever seen that much Disney comics information in print? It'a a
pile of about 7 cm, and I printed it in extra small font!
BTW: there *was* some traffic on the news group 'rec.arts.disney'.
Someone said he was Donald's FDC. David replied to that. David, can you
tell us what an FDC is?
--Harry.
Harry PTT Research ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
Fluks Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
Sigurdur Hrafn Gislason
Disney comics the same?
Message 78 -
1994-03-16 at 13:21:58
Are the contents of Disney comics teh same all over the world? I mean
the ratio between Donald stories and "irrelevant" stories such as
Brother Rabbit and Big bad wolf.
I would like to subscribe to a slimmed down version of Disney comics
since I feel that I am paying for the other stories, which I never read.
DON
I was wondering if your effort of "standardising" Duckburg, is influencing
other writers? I remember reading another story by some other writer who
referred to the money bin as "the monstrosity on top of Killmotor Hill.".
Does that name come from you or Barks and are other writers becoming more
"fact" aware?
Maybe this is simply all the work of our translator who is simply referencing
between stories. In any way it was very amusing.
Hmmm...
Scrooge's retirement. Somehow it strikes me as odd that the most money-
oriented duck in history, should choose to retire. His whole purpose
in life seemed to be to get richer, not merely rich but richer.
You guys are making me into a full fletched Duck-fan again.
-Siggi
--
the ratio between Donald stories and "irrelevant" stories such as
Brother Rabbit and Big bad wolf.
I would like to subscribe to a slimmed down version of Disney comics
since I feel that I am paying for the other stories, which I never read.
DON
I was wondering if your effort of "standardising" Duckburg, is influencing
other writers? I remember reading another story by some other writer who
referred to the money bin as "the monstrosity on top of Killmotor Hill.".
Does that name come from you or Barks and are other writers becoming more
"fact" aware?
Maybe this is simply all the work of our translator who is simply referencing
between stories. In any way it was very amusing.
Hmmm...
Scrooge's retirement. Somehow it strikes me as odd that the most money-
oriented duck in history, should choose to retire. His whole purpose
in life seemed to be to get richer, not merely rich but richer.
You guys are making me into a full fletched Duck-fan again.
-Siggi
--
Mattias Hallin
Goldie's dress!
Message 79 -
1994-03-16 at 15:14:42
DON:
I just picked up my copy of U$A #26, so I took the opportunity to check out
Glittering Goldies dress, and found this:
a) when she's NOt wearing a long dress, she has frilly feathers/or whatever
around thetop of her legs; but
b) when she IS wearing a long dress, her tailfeathers "disappear", which allows
for much smoother shape and motions than if her tailfeathers had been outlined
beneath the dress.
Well, I guess you know this already -- just thought I'd say I'd checked.
All my best!
Mattias
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I just picked up my copy of U$A #26, so I took the opportunity to check out
Glittering Goldies dress, and found this:
a) when she's NOt wearing a long dress, she has frilly feathers/or whatever
around thetop of her legs; but
b) when she IS wearing a long dress, her tailfeathers "disappear", which allows
for much smoother shape and motions than if her tailfeathers had been outlined
beneath the dress.
Well, I guess you know this already -- just thought I'd say I'd checked.
All my best!
Mattias
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!* Trollebergsvagen 24 B ***** Work: Lund University, Box 117, S-221 00 Lund **!
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CDAMBROSIO1
A lurker's thoughts
Message 80 -
1994-03-16 at 21:18:26
Greetings all,
Been reading this group for some time now and figured I should
finally join in. I thought I sent something a while ago, but the
system here was screwy for a bit so I don't know.
Anyway, I haven't gotten part 1 of the Lo$ yet. It was no where
to be found around here, if it came out already.
About Scrooge retiring in part 10, I'm just guessing, but that
sounds like a good place for "Go Slowly, Sands Of Time" to be placed
in Scrooge's time line.
Well, I'll keep this short. Let me just mention that during
Gladstone's first run, I sent them a bunch of one pagers, which they
sent back saying they weren't interested in. So I sent some plot
summaries of longer stories. Then I sent stuff to Bob Foster and then
I got an internship at MAD magazine.
(Which reminds me, Don, when exactly were the borscht belt
years of MAD?)
Anyway, this is my roundabout way of saying "Hey, what's the
situation like today for writers to do the occasional freelance gig?
I imagine I'm about the same age as David, me being 21.
Zaz it for now. Cheerio and fare thee well...
Butch D'Ambrosio
Been reading this group for some time now and figured I should
finally join in. I thought I sent something a while ago, but the
system here was screwy for a bit so I don't know.
Anyway, I haven't gotten part 1 of the Lo$ yet. It was no where
to be found around here, if it came out already.
About Scrooge retiring in part 10, I'm just guessing, but that
sounds like a good place for "Go Slowly, Sands Of Time" to be placed
in Scrooge's time line.
Well, I'll keep this short. Let me just mention that during
Gladstone's first run, I sent them a bunch of one pagers, which they
sent back saying they weren't interested in. So I sent some plot
summaries of longer stories. Then I sent stuff to Bob Foster and then
I got an internship at MAD magazine.
(Which reminds me, Don, when exactly were the borscht belt
years of MAD?)
Anyway, this is my roundabout way of saying "Hey, what's the
situation like today for writers to do the occasional freelance gig?
I imagine I'm about the same age as David, me being 21.
Zaz it for now. Cheerio and fare thee well...
Butch D'Ambrosio
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #271.
Message 81 -
1994-03-17 at 07:03:09
MATTIAS:
What am I doing after the Lo$? First I did that DD 60th Birthday
story. Then I did an adventure I've had in my notes for 8 years -- the
search for the treasury of Croesus, arguably the most famous treasure
that $crooge never found (but one that even Barks showed him longing for
'way back in "Back to Long Ago"); my result was a fairly good but not
spectacular story with LOTS of research and accuracy and that
needlessly complex art that makes me wonder more and more if it's all
WORTH it -- it took me 2 or 3 weeks longer than it should have! Anyway,
I sent that one in just a week ago. Right now I'm getting caught up on
some covers for Gladstone (Lo$ #4) and for that German "Rosa Library"
series (Lo$ #5 & 6) and even the cover for a Norwegian librarian
journal. Then I'm doing a story that I've had in my head even longer...
ever since 1959 when I saw "Journey to the Center of the Earth". I've
done versions of this adventure with my own characters as long ago as
1960 (with worldwide distribution being somewhat less than I enjoy
currently -- in those days it was distributed throughout my bedroom with
a total readership of one). In fact, tomorrow I hafta take a day off and
go to the University of Louisville to do research -- among other
scientific problems I need to find sensible solutions to are how the
Ducks can travel through the molten outer core, withstand the heat and
(more significantly) the air pressure which should squash them to
puree... and, also, why the #$&%* they want to be down there.
Goldie's tale DID poke at the inside of her dress, but not when
she was wearing her full outfit. When she only had one petticoat left
after a month in the Wild, her tail shape was more distinct. But what I
still regret is not that I didn't have Duck tails poking through
dresses as in modern Duck fashions, but that I drew those dresses with
such needless and irritating wrinkles and shading. Ugh.
And what's this "nosey-parker"? I wish you wouldn't use American
slang unless I'm familiar with it! It's bad enough meeting you Europeans
who have bigger English vocabularies than I do -- but now you're using
slang I've never heard.
SIGURDUR:
I'm not sure what you mean by are we "standardizing" the Duck
comics. You mean are we all using the same expressions or something?
Personally, I pay no attention whatsoever to anything in any Duck
stories but Barks', and of course he has "standardized" the stuff as far
as I'm concerned. As for other writers, it's hard to say since (as you
suggest) what you see are the translators' words rather than usually the
writers -- who knows who's words are whose? I never noticed any other
story using the expression "monstrosity on Killmotor Hill" -- in fact, I
had never noticed the name "Killmotor Hill" ever used a second time
other than Barks' first mention of it in WDC&S in 1952 or so. As far as
I knew, when I mentioned it in "His Majesty McDuck"(was it?), that was
the second time it had ever been mentioned.
And if you're making a valiant attempt to use American
expressions also, be careful. You mean "full FLEDGED", not full
FLETCHED". "Fletch" is a pseudonym for a very nasty verb which would
make your professing to be a completely fletched Duck fan suggest
something else altogether.
BUTCH:
"Go Slowly Sands of Time" properly comes when it does... at the
end of the many years of Barks' U$ adventures. It's when U$ is getting
exTREMEly old... probably well over 100. Actually, it is fairly similar
in content to my story (in Lo$ #12, not 10) now that you mention it. But
it would happen MUCH later.
There is a comment that is made in "Go Slowly..." that just
can't be true -- they say that $crooge was involved with the Comstock
Lode; this would mean that by the 1950s $crooge would be at LEAST 135
years old, whereas it's hard enough to see how he could be less than 90
by then.
When was the "borsct belt era" of MAD? I think I called it the
"JUNIOR borscht belt". By that I meant when it degenerated into bad
humor for kids. MAD was originally aimed at adults and college-age
folks, more like NATIONAL LAMPOON was in the 70s. But as they realized
who most of MAD's buyers were, they started aiming it at a younger and
younger audience until they got to about "junior high" level. When? Oh,
I guess they got there by the late 60's and thereafter. The MAD comics
and magazines of c. 1952-62 would be, after Barks' Dells and old
movies, my biggest influence.
HELP, NORWAY!!!
I did that "From Duckberg to Lillehammer" on special request
from the Norwegian editor -- but through a mix-up which they are
probably powerless to set to right, I NEVER received any copies of that
special issue!!! Can anyone please send me a copy or two of that week's
double-pack comic???
THERE! Does that satisfy you, Mattias?
What am I doing after the Lo$? First I did that DD 60th Birthday
story. Then I did an adventure I've had in my notes for 8 years -- the
search for the treasury of Croesus, arguably the most famous treasure
that $crooge never found (but one that even Barks showed him longing for
'way back in "Back to Long Ago"); my result was a fairly good but not
spectacular story with LOTS of research and accuracy and that
needlessly complex art that makes me wonder more and more if it's all
WORTH it -- it took me 2 or 3 weeks longer than it should have! Anyway,
I sent that one in just a week ago. Right now I'm getting caught up on
some covers for Gladstone (Lo$ #4) and for that German "Rosa Library"
series (Lo$ #5 & 6) and even the cover for a Norwegian librarian
journal. Then I'm doing a story that I've had in my head even longer...
ever since 1959 when I saw "Journey to the Center of the Earth". I've
done versions of this adventure with my own characters as long ago as
1960 (with worldwide distribution being somewhat less than I enjoy
currently -- in those days it was distributed throughout my bedroom with
a total readership of one). In fact, tomorrow I hafta take a day off and
go to the University of Louisville to do research -- among other
scientific problems I need to find sensible solutions to are how the
Ducks can travel through the molten outer core, withstand the heat and
(more significantly) the air pressure which should squash them to
puree... and, also, why the #$&%* they want to be down there.
Goldie's tale DID poke at the inside of her dress, but not when
she was wearing her full outfit. When she only had one petticoat left
after a month in the Wild, her tail shape was more distinct. But what I
still regret is not that I didn't have Duck tails poking through
dresses as in modern Duck fashions, but that I drew those dresses with
such needless and irritating wrinkles and shading. Ugh.
And what's this "nosey-parker"? I wish you wouldn't use American
slang unless I'm familiar with it! It's bad enough meeting you Europeans
who have bigger English vocabularies than I do -- but now you're using
slang I've never heard.
SIGURDUR:
I'm not sure what you mean by are we "standardizing" the Duck
comics. You mean are we all using the same expressions or something?
Personally, I pay no attention whatsoever to anything in any Duck
stories but Barks', and of course he has "standardized" the stuff as far
as I'm concerned. As for other writers, it's hard to say since (as you
suggest) what you see are the translators' words rather than usually the
writers -- who knows who's words are whose? I never noticed any other
story using the expression "monstrosity on Killmotor Hill" -- in fact, I
had never noticed the name "Killmotor Hill" ever used a second time
other than Barks' first mention of it in WDC&S in 1952 or so. As far as
I knew, when I mentioned it in "His Majesty McDuck"(was it?), that was
the second time it had ever been mentioned.
And if you're making a valiant attempt to use American
expressions also, be careful. You mean "full FLEDGED", not full
FLETCHED". "Fletch" is a pseudonym for a very nasty verb which would
make your professing to be a completely fletched Duck fan suggest
something else altogether.
BUTCH:
"Go Slowly Sands of Time" properly comes when it does... at the
end of the many years of Barks' U$ adventures. It's when U$ is getting
exTREMEly old... probably well over 100. Actually, it is fairly similar
in content to my story (in Lo$ #12, not 10) now that you mention it. But
it would happen MUCH later.
There is a comment that is made in "Go Slowly..." that just
can't be true -- they say that $crooge was involved with the Comstock
Lode; this would mean that by the 1950s $crooge would be at LEAST 135
years old, whereas it's hard enough to see how he could be less than 90
by then.
When was the "borsct belt era" of MAD? I think I called it the
"JUNIOR borscht belt". By that I meant when it degenerated into bad
humor for kids. MAD was originally aimed at adults and college-age
folks, more like NATIONAL LAMPOON was in the 70s. But as they realized
who most of MAD's buyers were, they started aiming it at a younger and
younger audience until they got to about "junior high" level. When? Oh,
I guess they got there by the late 60's and thereafter. The MAD comics
and magazines of c. 1952-62 would be, after Barks' Dells and old
movies, my biggest influence.
HELP, NORWAY!!!
I did that "From Duckberg to Lillehammer" on special request
from the Norwegian editor -- but through a mix-up which they are
probably powerless to set to right, I NEVER received any copies of that
special issue!!! Can anyone please send me a copy or two of that week's
double-pack comic???
THERE! Does that satisfy you, Mattias?
Fredrik Ekman
Disney comics the same?
Message 82 -
1994-03-17 at 16:47:58
Siggi wrote:
> Are the contents of Disney comics teh same all over the world? I mean
> the ratio between Donald stories and "irrelevant" stories such as
> Brother Rabbit and Big bad wolf.
I suspect that your Icelandish Disney comics come from some Egmont-owned
corporation and if so, they are basically the same throughout Scandinavia
and eastern Europe. Comics in northern Europe are also similar, although
not identical.
Completely different are the Italian comics, which you probably have in
Iceland in the form of pocket-sized paperbacks, never less than 100
pages. These are most common in southern Europe.
North America have the Gladstone line of comics, but any of our
Americans would have more in-depth knowledge about that than I do. I
don't know much about Africa, Latin America and Asia, although from what
I've seen, Asia and Africa is more like Scandinavia than anything else.
> I would like to subscribe to a slimmed down version of Disney comics
> since I feel that I am paying for the other stories, which I never read.
You probably want some of the Gladstone comics. Again, the American
members could tell you more, but perhaps Uncle $crooge or Donald Duck
would be what you're looking for. I don't know about Iceland, but here in
Sweden, subscription could be through any of the major comic shops or
NAFS(k); the Swedish donaldist association.
/F
> Are the contents of Disney comics teh same all over the world? I mean
> the ratio between Donald stories and "irrelevant" stories such as
> Brother Rabbit and Big bad wolf.
I suspect that your Icelandish Disney comics come from some Egmont-owned
corporation and if so, they are basically the same throughout Scandinavia
and eastern Europe. Comics in northern Europe are also similar, although
not identical.
Completely different are the Italian comics, which you probably have in
Iceland in the form of pocket-sized paperbacks, never less than 100
pages. These are most common in southern Europe.
North America have the Gladstone line of comics, but any of our
Americans would have more in-depth knowledge about that than I do. I
don't know much about Africa, Latin America and Asia, although from what
I've seen, Asia and Africa is more like Scandinavia than anything else.
> I would like to subscribe to a slimmed down version of Disney comics
> since I feel that I am paying for the other stories, which I never read.
You probably want some of the Gladstone comics. Again, the American
members could tell you more, but perhaps Uncle $crooge or Donald Duck
would be what you're looking for. I don't know about Iceland, but here in
Sweden, subscription could be through any of the major comic shops or
NAFS(k); the Swedish donaldist association.
/F
Mattias Hallin
Disney-comics digest #271.
Message 83 -
1994-03-17 at 17:43:36
"THERE! Does that satisfy you, Mattias?" -- Yessiree, Bob ('though Bob's no
uncle of mine, 's'far's Ah knows), it shore does that! Thankee kindly, Sir!!!
"Nosey-parker", I think is rather a British expression than American; I might
have picked it up from Dorothy Sayers Wimsey-novels (I finished "Busman's
Honeymoon" -- for the umpteenth time -- last night), or somewhere similar,
although I'm not certain to any degree. That it means (or, rather: I think it
means) "busybody", or more specifically "person with incessant, insatiable
curiousity who pokes his nose into anyone's business he comes across", I'm
sure you've already figured out -- and thus it's equally evident why, under
the circumstances, I applied the epithet to my not-so-humble self.
Anyway -- thanks again for the information, which'll come in handy enough,
since Greger Nass`n called me last night (after my posting, actually) and asked
wether I had any idea what you were doing presently. Now I do. Thanks!
Remain, Sir, assured of my regards!
Mattias
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uncle of mine, 's'far's Ah knows), it shore does that! Thankee kindly, Sir!!!
"Nosey-parker", I think is rather a British expression than American; I might
have picked it up from Dorothy Sayers Wimsey-novels (I finished "Busman's
Honeymoon" -- for the umpteenth time -- last night), or somewhere similar,
although I'm not certain to any degree. That it means (or, rather: I think it
means) "busybody", or more specifically "person with incessant, insatiable
curiousity who pokes his nose into anyone's business he comes across", I'm
sure you've already figured out -- and thus it's equally evident why, under
the circumstances, I applied the epithet to my not-so-humble self.
Anyway -- thanks again for the information, which'll come in handy enough,
since Greger Nass`n called me last night (after my posting, actually) and asked
wether I had any idea what you were doing presently. Now I do. Thanks!
Remain, Sir, assured of my regards!
Mattias
!==============================================================================!
!* Mattias Hallin ** <Mattias.Hallin at Jurenh.lu.se> ** Phone: +46 46-14 84 43 **!
!* Trollebergsvagen 24 B ***** Work: Lund University, Box 117, S-221 00 Lund **!
!* S-222 29 Lund, SWEDEN **************************** Phone: +46 46-10 71 37 **!
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!***** "Oh, the villain onward stole... While a wicked smile he smole!" ******!
!==============================================================================!
David A Gerstein
The FDC on RAD
Message 84 -
1994-03-17 at 20:10:08
Dear Folks,
Harry said: "BTW: there *was* some traffic on the news group
'rec.arts.disney'. Someone said he was Donald's FDC. David replied to
that. David, can you tell us what an FDC is?"
The FDC is the "Future Disney Cabinet." On RAD people will
"join" the cabinet by "declaring" themselves to "be" a certain Disney
character. Then the goal is to occasionally write letters to the
group in as close an approximation of the character's "voice" as
possible. Sort of like the letters from Mickey and from Scrooge which
I wrote last year and posted here, only I usually consider this too
"serious" a forum ;-) to spent bandwidth HERE on that.
Of course, I'm utilizing it to all of our benefit. I have
signed on as the "FDC Comic-Strip Mickey Mouse." I frequently write
posts to the group in the style of Gottfredson's MM, announcing new
Gladstone comics, debating on the Ducks with Charles Buchanan (the FDC
Donald Duck), and generally spreading the word about the availability
and contents of Gladstone's comics.
I close each of my FDC-letters to RAD with a recommendation of
some Gladstone comic, which will change twice each month. I have been
recommending the upcoming publication of "Hoppy the Kangaroo" just
now, mainly to spread the word about Gottfredson (it's my first such
recommendation: I joined the FDC two weeks ago).
In fact, Charles told me he was going to join this list. Are
you lurking here, Duck? If so, fer gosh sakes, why don't y' say
somethin'?
Anyone have any data on DDA 26 for us now? Should have come
out...
David Gerstein
"I'm the Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way a free semple!"
<David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu>
Harry said: "BTW: there *was* some traffic on the news group
'rec.arts.disney'. Someone said he was Donald's FDC. David replied to
that. David, can you tell us what an FDC is?"
The FDC is the "Future Disney Cabinet." On RAD people will
"join" the cabinet by "declaring" themselves to "be" a certain Disney
character. Then the goal is to occasionally write letters to the
group in as close an approximation of the character's "voice" as
possible. Sort of like the letters from Mickey and from Scrooge which
I wrote last year and posted here, only I usually consider this too
"serious" a forum ;-) to spent bandwidth HERE on that.
Of course, I'm utilizing it to all of our benefit. I have
signed on as the "FDC Comic-Strip Mickey Mouse." I frequently write
posts to the group in the style of Gottfredson's MM, announcing new
Gladstone comics, debating on the Ducks with Charles Buchanan (the FDC
Donald Duck), and generally spreading the word about the availability
and contents of Gladstone's comics.
I close each of my FDC-letters to RAD with a recommendation of
some Gladstone comic, which will change twice each month. I have been
recommending the upcoming publication of "Hoppy the Kangaroo" just
now, mainly to spread the word about Gottfredson (it's my first such
recommendation: I joined the FDC two weeks ago).
In fact, Charles told me he was going to join this list. Are
you lurking here, Duck? If so, fer gosh sakes, why don't y' say
somethin'?
Anyone have any data on DDA 26 for us now? Should have come
out...
David Gerstein
"I'm the Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way a free semple!"
<David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu>
David A Gerstein
My imminent two-week departure
Message 85 -
1994-03-18 at 01:00:39
Dear Folks,
I'm going to be away for two weeks starting Saturday. If
anyone has anything they'd like to fire at me, go ahead and do it.
("A six-ton missile coming right for this target? No wonder taxes are
so high!")
DON: Should I be expecting the WDC&S 4 xerox while I'm at
home, or do you think it will be a while 'til it's possible to make it
and I should expect it back here when I return to school? And what do
you want in return?
FABIO: Did you send the other Pedrocchi stuff, and to which
address? (Don't mean to sound like I'm giving you the third degree!
I just don't know any other way to say it ;-) And again, what do you
want in return? It would be good to know this before I leave for
home.
GARY: Are you still reading this list, but not writing to it?
I join those who submit pleas for you to stay in touch with us...
GEIR: Any updates on the Gottfredson situation before I
leave? It would be good to know...
HARRY: I may have a chance to update gladstone-disney.index
while I'm at home. To do that, though, I will need an updated version
of the "what we still need" list from gladstone-disney.legend. The
version you recently put on ftp says we need everything from WDC&S
551-570, while in fact it's now considerably different... I'll see
what I can do. (I may be able to get NOTHING done... we'll see,
tho'.)
ALL: Apparently CBLDDAIC 1 has been out for at least a month,
because a good friend of mine has had it for that long. What is the
format of this like? Is the color the same as in GGI 1? And how's
Volume Two of the CBLDDAIC? Has it come out yet? Often there is an
album on the weeks when there's no regular Gladstone...
HORACE HORSECOLLAR: Where were you on the night of April 15,
1928? [From "The Great Orphanage Robbery" trial scene]
I may clock in tomorrow... we'll see. If I don't find
something to write about, though, I'll be back in two weeks. Maybe a
lot will have happened by then!
David
"I'm the Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way free semple!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
I'm going to be away for two weeks starting Saturday. If
anyone has anything they'd like to fire at me, go ahead and do it.
("A six-ton missile coming right for this target? No wonder taxes are
so high!")
DON: Should I be expecting the WDC&S 4 xerox while I'm at
home, or do you think it will be a while 'til it's possible to make it
and I should expect it back here when I return to school? And what do
you want in return?
FABIO: Did you send the other Pedrocchi stuff, and to which
address? (Don't mean to sound like I'm giving you the third degree!
I just don't know any other way to say it ;-) And again, what do you
want in return? It would be good to know this before I leave for
home.
GARY: Are you still reading this list, but not writing to it?
I join those who submit pleas for you to stay in touch with us...
GEIR: Any updates on the Gottfredson situation before I
leave? It would be good to know...
HARRY: I may have a chance to update gladstone-disney.index
while I'm at home. To do that, though, I will need an updated version
of the "what we still need" list from gladstone-disney.legend. The
version you recently put on ftp says we need everything from WDC&S
551-570, while in fact it's now considerably different... I'll see
what I can do. (I may be able to get NOTHING done... we'll see,
tho'.)
ALL: Apparently CBLDDAIC 1 has been out for at least a month,
because a good friend of mine has had it for that long. What is the
format of this like? Is the color the same as in GGI 1? And how's
Volume Two of the CBLDDAIC? Has it come out yet? Often there is an
album on the weeks when there's no regular Gladstone...
HORACE HORSECOLLAR: Where were you on the night of April 15,
1928? [From "The Great Orphanage Robbery" trial scene]
I may clock in tomorrow... we'll see. If I don't find
something to write about, though, I'll be back in two weeks. Maybe a
lot will have happened by then!
David
"I'm the Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way free semple!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
David A Gerstein
Disney-comics digest #272.
Message 86 -
1994-03-18 at 03:17:58
Dear Folks,
MAD's influence on Don Rosa, and MAD in general
===============================================
DON said: "MAD was originally aimed at adults and college-age
folks, more like NATIONAL LAMPOON was in the 70s. But as they realized
who most of MAD's buyers were, they started aiming it at a younger and
younger audience until they got to about "junior high" level. When?
Oh, I guess they got there by the late 60's and thereafter. The MAD
comics and magazines of c. 1952-62 would be, after Barks' Dells and
old movies, my biggest influence."
First of all, MAD is NO LONGER aimed at kids. I picked up a
current issue and was startled by thousands of very obvious references
to sex... NOT as typical of the innuendos in the old MAD, but items
which are equivalent to repeating over and over "Everybody's doing
it." In the most issue I saw, several parents wrote in to protest
this new trend in MAD. The letter column editor jeered back with a
harsh and obnoxious reply, implying that those parents were
prudes...
MAD is making a mistake in this age of teen pregnancy and
AIDS. If they had the older teen/collegiate audience that they used
to (and still have in Europe, where once the issue was distributed
with a free condom in every issue) it would be different.
[Discussion of MAD with no relevence to Disney ends here]
As for the influence the early MAD has on your work, Don:
A) I find that your shading is much like Basil Wolverton's,
especially as he did it for a few MAD issues. (Didn't work for them
very long though...)
B) Your art style during your first year of Disney comics is
virtually identical to the Will Elder "Mickey Rodent" story. The
resemblance was made even more striking by how closely John Clark's
lettering of the time resembled that of whoever lettered "Mickey
Rodent." When I look at "Mickey Rodent," I say, "that's a Don Rosa
Donald Duck."
Sadly Will Elder's Mickey Mouse was much further off the mark
(disregarding the stubble on his face). You can draw a much better
Mickey, Don (hint, hint, hint). I think Elder was trying to imitate
Bill Wright's Mickey, but he has the figure all wrong.
Notably, this tale is about Mickey laying a trap for Donald
(or, "Darnold," as he's called here) to get rid of him for good,
because he wants the popularity back that Donald stole from him!
Basil Wolverton's MM
====================
In 1935 Basil Wolverton began a MM comic story when applying
for a job at Disney. It was never used. Now Bill Spicer has the art
to the -- unfinished -- story. Who could finish this thing so it
could appear in D&M? I hate to say this, but, DON, your style is
closest to his among the current artists --
Use of the term "nosey parker"
==============================
Nothing's purebred Brit about that -- let's see here! In last
month's WDC&S ("High-Flying Picnic"):
"What ho! You're aloft -- with your girl and balloon, and no
nosey parkers to watch while you croon!"
Important question: The author of Donald's ballooning book in
that story, Hotwind J. Flated, is clearly a caricature of Carl Barks.
Some of the ink lines look altered. Was this a Barks caricature in
the Dutch version as well? If so, has it been altered for its
appearance here?
So long, folks. I'll probably write my final letter for 2
weeks, tomorrow...
David Gerstein
"I'm the Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way free semple!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
MAD's influence on Don Rosa, and MAD in general
===============================================
DON said: "MAD was originally aimed at adults and college-age
folks, more like NATIONAL LAMPOON was in the 70s. But as they realized
who most of MAD's buyers were, they started aiming it at a younger and
younger audience until they got to about "junior high" level. When?
Oh, I guess they got there by the late 60's and thereafter. The MAD
comics and magazines of c. 1952-62 would be, after Barks' Dells and
old movies, my biggest influence."
First of all, MAD is NO LONGER aimed at kids. I picked up a
current issue and was startled by thousands of very obvious references
to sex... NOT as typical of the innuendos in the old MAD, but items
which are equivalent to repeating over and over "Everybody's doing
it." In the most issue I saw, several parents wrote in to protest
this new trend in MAD. The letter column editor jeered back with a
harsh and obnoxious reply, implying that those parents were
prudes...
MAD is making a mistake in this age of teen pregnancy and
AIDS. If they had the older teen/collegiate audience that they used
to (and still have in Europe, where once the issue was distributed
with a free condom in every issue) it would be different.
[Discussion of MAD with no relevence to Disney ends here]
As for the influence the early MAD has on your work, Don:
A) I find that your shading is much like Basil Wolverton's,
especially as he did it for a few MAD issues. (Didn't work for them
very long though...)
B) Your art style during your first year of Disney comics is
virtually identical to the Will Elder "Mickey Rodent" story. The
resemblance was made even more striking by how closely John Clark's
lettering of the time resembled that of whoever lettered "Mickey
Rodent." When I look at "Mickey Rodent," I say, "that's a Don Rosa
Donald Duck."
Sadly Will Elder's Mickey Mouse was much further off the mark
(disregarding the stubble on his face). You can draw a much better
Mickey, Don (hint, hint, hint). I think Elder was trying to imitate
Bill Wright's Mickey, but he has the figure all wrong.
Notably, this tale is about Mickey laying a trap for Donald
(or, "Darnold," as he's called here) to get rid of him for good,
because he wants the popularity back that Donald stole from him!
Basil Wolverton's MM
====================
In 1935 Basil Wolverton began a MM comic story when applying
for a job at Disney. It was never used. Now Bill Spicer has the art
to the -- unfinished -- story. Who could finish this thing so it
could appear in D&M? I hate to say this, but, DON, your style is
closest to his among the current artists --
Use of the term "nosey parker"
==============================
Nothing's purebred Brit about that -- let's see here! In last
month's WDC&S ("High-Flying Picnic"):
"What ho! You're aloft -- with your girl and balloon, and no
nosey parkers to watch while you croon!"
Important question: The author of Donald's ballooning book in
that story, Hotwind J. Flated, is clearly a caricature of Carl Barks.
Some of the ink lines look altered. Was this a Barks caricature in
the Dutch version as well? If so, has it been altered for its
appearance here?
So long, folks. I'll probably write my final letter for 2
weeks, tomorrow...
David Gerstein
"I'm the Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way free semple!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Wilmer Rivers
Down, down, down (appropriate for ducks!)
Message 87 -
1994-03-18 at 06:09:26
Don Rosa writes:
> Then I'm doing a story that I've had in my head even longer...
> ever since 1959 when I saw "Journey to the Center of the Earth".
Hey! Scrooge McDuck as James Mason! Love it! (But does this mean that
Donald has to be Pat Boone? Yecch!!! And who plays the role of the
real-life goose, Gertrude?)
> In fact, tomorrow I hafta take a day off and
> go to the University of Louisville to do research -- among other
> scientific problems I need to find sensible solutions to are how the
> Ducks can travel through the molten outer core, withstand the heat and
> (more significantly) the air pressure which should squash them to
> puree... and, also, why the #$&%* they want to be down there.
Are you open to suggestions from the public? Since the Land Beneath the
Ground is my own professional bailiwick, I would be glad to e-mail you a
few technical pointers sometime within the next week, if you wouldn't
consider me to be a "nosey-parker" for doing so! It would be nice at
long last to put my degree in geophysics to some **important** use!
Wilmer Rivers
rivers at seismo.css.gov
"Oh, me! Oh, my! What if the world is HOLLOW inside, like a tennis
ball?" "Let's not even THINK about it!" - HD&L
> Then I'm doing a story that I've had in my head even longer...
> ever since 1959 when I saw "Journey to the Center of the Earth".
Hey! Scrooge McDuck as James Mason! Love it! (But does this mean that
Donald has to be Pat Boone? Yecch!!! And who plays the role of the
real-life goose, Gertrude?)
> In fact, tomorrow I hafta take a day off and
> go to the University of Louisville to do research -- among other
> scientific problems I need to find sensible solutions to are how the
> Ducks can travel through the molten outer core, withstand the heat and
> (more significantly) the air pressure which should squash them to
> puree... and, also, why the #$&%* they want to be down there.
Are you open to suggestions from the public? Since the Land Beneath the
Ground is my own professional bailiwick, I would be glad to e-mail you a
few technical pointers sometime within the next week, if you wouldn't
consider me to be a "nosey-parker" for doing so! It would be nice at
long last to put my degree in geophysics to some **important** use!
Wilmer Rivers
rivers at seismo.css.gov
"Oh, me! Oh, my! What if the world is HOLLOW inside, like a tennis
ball?" "Let's not even THINK about it!" - HD&L
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #272.
Message 88 -
1994-03-18 at 06:22:23
DAVID:
I'll probably send your WDC&$ #4 Xeroxes off early next week or
so. When I can think of what has as little value as a short stack of 6
cent photocopies, I'll let you know what you owe me in return.
Whenever I make some snide crack about the level of
sophisticated thought that goes on on various Disney BBSs, I get hate
mail from those folks. But then I constantly find that truth is beyond
my worst expectations. Please assure me you aren't luring people over to
these environs who are going to log on pretending they're Donald Duck or
some such silliness. What do those people think when you claim to be the
"comic strip MM"? Does that completely baffle their powers? Do they have
a clue?
I'll probably send your WDC&$ #4 Xeroxes off early next week or
so. When I can think of what has as little value as a short stack of 6
cent photocopies, I'll let you know what you owe me in return.
Whenever I make some snide crack about the level of
sophisticated thought that goes on on various Disney BBSs, I get hate
mail from those folks. But then I constantly find that truth is beyond
my worst expectations. Please assure me you aren't luring people over to
these environs who are going to log on pretending they're Donald Duck or
some such silliness. What do those people think when you claim to be the
"comic strip MM"? Does that completely baffle their powers? Do they have
a clue?
Mattias Hallin
Where have all the archives gone?
Message 89 -
1994-03-18 at 15:49:35
PER:
I went into the ftp, and found that everything prior to 1993-10 in the
archive-folder was gone. Have you removed'em, and if so -- are they still
available at request?
Mattias
!==============================================================================!
!* Mattias Hallin ** <Mattias.Hallin at Jurenh.lu.se> ** Phone: +46 46-14 84 43 **!
!* Trollebergsvagen 24 B ***** Work: Lund University, Box 117, S-221 00 Lund **!
!* S-222 29 Lund, SWEDEN **************************** Phone: +46 46-10 71 37 **!
!==============================================================================!
!***** "Oh, the villain onward stole... While a wicked smile he smole!" ******!
!==============================================================================!
I went into the ftp, and found that everything prior to 1993-10 in the
archive-folder was gone. Have you removed'em, and if so -- are they still
available at request?
Mattias
!==============================================================================!
!* Mattias Hallin ** <Mattias.Hallin at Jurenh.lu.se> ** Phone: +46 46-14 84 43 **!
!* Trollebergsvagen 24 B ***** Work: Lund University, Box 117, S-221 00 Lund **!
!* S-222 29 Lund, SWEDEN **************************** Phone: +46 46-10 71 37 **!
!==============================================================================!
!***** "Oh, the villain onward stole... While a wicked smile he smole!" ******!
!==============================================================================!
The Unbearable Lightness Of Elmo
"Nosey Parker"
Message 90 -
1994-03-18 at 20:02:15
Don R writes:
> And what's this "nosey-parker"? I wish you wouldn't use American
>slang unless I'm familiar with it!
I'm surprised that you don't know this, Don. I'm from Kentucky just like
you and I've been familiar with the phrase as long as I can remember. [1]
A "nosey-parker" is just someone who's nosey--overly curious, prying.
(Next time I'm in Louisville, c'n I get some books signed? Pretty please?)
greg
[1] If Mattias is right and it's British, I got it from my folks, who were
fans of old British mysteries.
--
"Welcome to my gene pool: it's one of those plastic inflatible ones with
duckies on it."--Suzanne King
elmo (morrow at physics.rice.edu,morrow at fnal.fnal.gov)
> And what's this "nosey-parker"? I wish you wouldn't use American
>slang unless I'm familiar with it!
I'm surprised that you don't know this, Don. I'm from Kentucky just like
you and I've been familiar with the phrase as long as I can remember. [1]
A "nosey-parker" is just someone who's nosey--overly curious, prying.
(Next time I'm in Louisville, c'n I get some books signed? Pretty please?)
greg
[1] If Mattias is right and it's British, I got it from my folks, who were
fans of old British mysteries.
--
"Welcome to my gene pool: it's one of those plastic inflatible ones with
duckies on it."--Suzanne King
elmo (morrow at physics.rice.edu,morrow at fnal.fnal.gov)