message from Gary Leach on 02 Mar 94 03:04:42 EST:
>Took a look at some direct market distributor order figures today for the
>entire comics industry and...well, wot a mess! The speculators have finished
>their pillagin' and rapin' and moved on (not a few of them pillaged and raped
>in turn, just to be fair), leaving Gladstone with...a nearly doubled market
>share! That is, we've gone from .24% to .56% of the direct market (rough
>approximate).
I'd be curious to know the highest percentage that Gladstone ever had.
Has it ever been over 1.0%? Given the current rate of increase, do
you think it will ever *get* over 1.0%? I've heard rumors that "Uncle
Scrooge" #285 sold out. Has this affected new orders at all?
>A new artist is about to debut with a full-length adventure coming up
>soon in Donald Duck Adventures. The name is Pat Block, and the tale is
>in collaboration with a writer/letterer whose name escapes me at the
>moment.
This *does* sound interesting! I remember when Gladstone first got
the Disney books back from Disney, one of their announcements was that
they had lots of new talent "chomping at the bit." I'm glad that
we'll get to see some of it! (Now if we can just get to see David's
Mickey stories... :-) )
>In the word's of Gladstone's founder, Helmut Werb..."Keep head cool!"
And here I though Gladstone Gander was the founder... :-)
Author
Topic: 199403
(153 messages)
Mark Semich
Disney-comics digest #255.
Message 16 -
1994-03-03 at 06:58:45
Mattias Hallin
Disney-comics digest #257.
Message 17 -
1994-03-03 at 11:08:22
Wrote David: "Which reminds me: Mattias Hallin's quote, 'Come up and see me
sometime! >HIC!< Come up and see me sometime! >HIC!<" is from the
1943 T&J cartoon "Mouse Trouble,' in which Tom sets out a wind-up Mae
West mouse to lure Jerry, then accidentally swallows it..."
...yup! Thass right! But whut abaht mah other quote: "If yer ever down in
Texas, look me up!", then??? Eh...?
Anyway, your comments on T&J vs Tex Avery was on-the-nail, I'd say. It might be
added that Avery's department and that of Hanna-Barbera, at MGM, were
constantly trying to overdo one another, which rather explains the sometime a
bit overwhelming escalation of speed, violence and extreme gags that is evident
throughout both series as they develop in the late forties and early fifties...
Oh, and BTW -- there is at least ONE Disney connection connected with the Avery
cartoons: the girl was, or so I believe, animated by Disney employee Preston
Blair, who did a MAGNIFICENT job, at that -- especially since I think shes
"straight" animation, not animated from live film!
Sorry 'bout the detour, folks -- but that's all! (Saa faar I icke mer foer den
25-oere")
Mattias
sometime! >HIC!< Come up and see me sometime! >HIC!<" is from the
1943 T&J cartoon "Mouse Trouble,' in which Tom sets out a wind-up Mae
West mouse to lure Jerry, then accidentally swallows it..."
...yup! Thass right! But whut abaht mah other quote: "If yer ever down in
Texas, look me up!", then??? Eh...?
Anyway, your comments on T&J vs Tex Avery was on-the-nail, I'd say. It might be
added that Avery's department and that of Hanna-Barbera, at MGM, were
constantly trying to overdo one another, which rather explains the sometime a
bit overwhelming escalation of speed, violence and extreme gags that is evident
throughout both series as they develop in the late forties and early fifties...
Oh, and BTW -- there is at least ONE Disney connection connected with the Avery
cartoons: the girl was, or so I believe, animated by Disney employee Preston
Blair, who did a MAGNIFICENT job, at that -- especially since I think shes
"straight" animation, not animated from live film!
Sorry 'bout the detour, folks -- but that's all! (Saa faar I icke mer foer den
25-oere")
Mattias
Fredrik Ekman
The database file format
Message 18 -
1994-03-03 at 14:46:10
Harry wrote, about the titles fields in the database:
> But I don't like to have information twice. In the many Barks reprints, the
> titles (or descriptions) don't change, so one entry in a 'story file' should
> be enough.
OK, you're probably right. I know I had some good reason for my proposal,
but I'm too tired to remember right now anyway. Expect to hear from me
again if I should remember it!
> > > - remarks
> >
> > Why not just on comment lines like those I suggested above?
>
> The 'remarks' wouldn't be transferred to a 'list file' in that case. But maybe
> we want it that way.
Unless we (you) write the program so that it WILL include all remark lines
directly following the entry...
> I plan to make a few (quite simple) programs to generate the lists we already
> have from the 'database'. Other access can be done using 'grep' or 'find',
> 'sort' etc. Maybe we can make more advanced programs for database access, but
> we can postpone that to later.
Good point. I had some awfully advanced programs in mind, but like you
imply, that is really not necessary.
> I know nothing of e-mail services, so someone would have to help me with
> that if we get that far.
Me neither. And I don't remember who proposed that in the first place.
I do, however, have a few ideas on how that SHOULD work. Although I'm
still in doubt as to how many people would actually use such a service.
Keep up the good work!
/F
> But I don't like to have information twice. In the many Barks reprints, the
> titles (or descriptions) don't change, so one entry in a 'story file' should
> be enough.
OK, you're probably right. I know I had some good reason for my proposal,
but I'm too tired to remember right now anyway. Expect to hear from me
again if I should remember it!
> > > - remarks
> >
> > Why not just on comment lines like those I suggested above?
>
> The 'remarks' wouldn't be transferred to a 'list file' in that case. But maybe
> we want it that way.
Unless we (you) write the program so that it WILL include all remark lines
directly following the entry...
> I plan to make a few (quite simple) programs to generate the lists we already
> have from the 'database'. Other access can be done using 'grep' or 'find',
> 'sort' etc. Maybe we can make more advanced programs for database access, but
> we can postpone that to later.
Good point. I had some awfully advanced programs in mind, but like you
imply, that is really not necessary.
> I know nothing of e-mail services, so someone would have to help me with
> that if we get that far.
Me neither. And I don't remember who proposed that in the first place.
I do, however, have a few ideas on how that SHOULD work. Although I'm
still in doubt as to how many people would actually use such a service.
Keep up the good work!
/F
Andrew Krieg 5-5379
Disney-comics digest #257.
Message 19 -
1994-03-03 at 17:15:21
PLEASE do not mail the Introduction List out regularly. Just post a
notice that it is available via FTP or e-mail from yourself. There is
no need to send it to us long time readers, and it is unfair to folks
who pay for their e-mail.
I just got the latest Newsletter for upcoming comics from Westfield,
and there are some nifty things coming up in June. "The Carl Barks
Library of Donald Duck Adventures" #4 will have Barks' only Mickey
Mouse tale reprinted in it. Marvel will be printing an adaption of
"The Lion King", which begs for the question, "Why not Gladstone?"
notice that it is available via FTP or e-mail from yourself. There is
no need to send it to us long time readers, and it is unfair to folks
who pay for their e-mail.
I just got the latest Newsletter for upcoming comics from Westfield,
and there are some nifty things coming up in June. "The Carl Barks
Library of Donald Duck Adventures" #4 will have Barks' only Mickey
Mouse tale reprinted in it. Marvel will be printing an adaption of
"The Lion King", which begs for the question, "Why not Gladstone?"
Alex Agostini
Disney-Gladstone-Marvel
Message 20 -
1994-03-03 at 18:01:15
I have a few questions concerning the current publisher of Disney products.
I don't remember reading anywhere what happened to the Disney Comics Publishing
Company. One day, they had several titles coming out on a monthly basis, and
Len Wein as the main editor, the next, Mr. Wein is writing stories for DC and
Defiant, and all those titles are gone, execpt for the few published by
Gladstone.
What happened?
I dropped most of those titles because, to be honest, I did not like most of
the stuff coming out. And I ended dropping the rest when I read that Disney
was going to keep the stories to one issue because they made it easier to
publish in album type books over in Europe. That broke the camel's back, and
I gave up on them completely.
But I never read anything else about them, and now Gladstone is back in after
having to give up the rights some years ago.
I would really like to know what took place.
Thank you.
--
______________________________________________________________________
Alex Agostini E-Mail:Alex_Agostini at smec.sel.sony.com
3 Paragon Drive MDS-200 Phone: (201) 358-4331
Montvale, N.J. 07645 Fax: (201) 358-4977
______________________________________________________________________
I don't remember reading anywhere what happened to the Disney Comics Publishing
Company. One day, they had several titles coming out on a monthly basis, and
Len Wein as the main editor, the next, Mr. Wein is writing stories for DC and
Defiant, and all those titles are gone, execpt for the few published by
Gladstone.
What happened?
I dropped most of those titles because, to be honest, I did not like most of
the stuff coming out. And I ended dropping the rest when I read that Disney
was going to keep the stories to one issue because they made it easier to
publish in album type books over in Europe. That broke the camel's back, and
I gave up on them completely.
But I never read anything else about them, and now Gladstone is back in after
having to give up the rights some years ago.
I would really like to know what took place.
Thank you.
--
______________________________________________________________________
Alex Agostini E-Mail:Alex_Agostini at smec.sel.sony.com
3 Paragon Drive MDS-200 Phone: (201) 358-4331
Montvale, N.J. 07645 Fax: (201) 358-4977
______________________________________________________________________
Dubach1
Disney-comics digest #257.
Message 21 -
1994-03-03 at 19:57:24
Please DO mail the Introduction List out when you get new introductions! No
matter how long time a reader you are, you can't have read what hasn't been
written. Also, I believe most folks who have to pay for their email will
prefer receiving all the introductions together rather than each new one
individually, as most such systems have a "per-message" component as most
significant in the cost; I think the way Mattias is doing it is great!
Joev
matter how long time a reader you are, you can't have read what hasn't been
written. Also, I believe most folks who have to pay for their email will
prefer receiving all the introductions together rather than each new one
individually, as most such systems have a "per-message" component as most
significant in the cost; I think the way Mattias is doing it is great!
Joev
David A Gerstein
Disney-comics digest #258.
Message 22 -
1994-03-04 at 03:42:27
Dear Folks,
Mattias saw that I had his quote from a Tom and Jerry cartoon
down correctly. Then he said: "...yup! Thass right! But whut abaht
mah other quote: "If yer ever down in Texas, look me up!", then???
Eh...?"
From ANOTHER Tom and Jerry cartoon, "Pecos Pest" with Jerry's
Uncle Pecos. "Oh, froggie went a-courtin' an' he did ride --
crambooo!" Actually that one's always kinda bothered me, since toward
the end of the film, human beings actually imply that they can
understand Uncle Pecos, because they know his name when announcing him
in a vaudeville show...
I find Barks' MGM-character eight-pagers from the mid-'40s at
least as good as the Duck ten-pagers of the time. In particular in
1946... the Duck material for that year is undoubtedly the heaviest on
rivalry between Don and the kids, with all of them shown in a VERY
unflattering light. Perhaps 1946 is the year in which I find the
ducks of the Barks stories to have the least depth.
My Egmont stories
=================
It's gonna be a long, LO-OOO-ONG time until we see any of my
Egmont stories from Gladstone. There's a chance that my first one has
been drawn now, but there's about a eight-month lag between when the
story is finished, and when it's printed by Egmont... if not longer.
The three stories I have sold so far are:
Uncle Scrooge in "Two in One" -- art by Daniel Branca (this is
the only one which has yet been sent to an artist). Scrooge vs.
Magica de Spell in perhaps the most screwloose battle they have ever
had. And Magica has quite a battle with herself, too. Just wait...
Donald Duck in "Pork-Barrel Politics." Donald trains
Grandma's three piglets Napoleon, Snowball, and Squealer, with hopes
to earn big money with an animal act. But when the pigs seem too dumb
to learn the tricks, Donald brings in Gyro's Think Boxes... BIG
mistake. You'd think he'd have learned from last time...
Donald Duck in "Rolling in Dough." Scrooge has opened a
pastry factory, making baked goods with a very special secret
ingredient from Gyro Gearloose. On the day before Scrooge's factory
personell start work, Scrooge is going away on a business trip, and
hires Donald to guard the mysterious secret from other companies'
industrial spies. But it isn't spies who show up -- does the number
176 mean anything to you?
The three are 10, 11, and 12 pages in that order. But once
again, it's unlikely we will see the first one until 1995, and the
next two may wait until 1996.
I'm now finishing the first of three Mickeys I've arranged
to do. The time lag here may not be so great with Egmont because they
hardly have enough Mickeys as it is, but it will undoubtedly be great
with Gladstone, because the only outlet for non-FG MM stories, D&M, is
usually booked up...
BTW, I hear a lot of complaints around here about the Goofy
History stories. If you'd rather see something else, write to
Gladstone! And write a LOT. When I last discussed the Goofys with
John, he said that response was not negative enough to stop them, but
that they would be alternated with other stories from now on. What
does everyone here think? Good idea? Bad? WRITE!!!
The Secret of Mars
==================
I too am disappointed that you will not see this with my
dialogue appended to it, Mark.
That's all for now, folks.
David Gerstein
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Mattias saw that I had his quote from a Tom and Jerry cartoon
down correctly. Then he said: "...yup! Thass right! But whut abaht
mah other quote: "If yer ever down in Texas, look me up!", then???
Eh...?"
From ANOTHER Tom and Jerry cartoon, "Pecos Pest" with Jerry's
Uncle Pecos. "Oh, froggie went a-courtin' an' he did ride --
crambooo!" Actually that one's always kinda bothered me, since toward
the end of the film, human beings actually imply that they can
understand Uncle Pecos, because they know his name when announcing him
in a vaudeville show...
I find Barks' MGM-character eight-pagers from the mid-'40s at
least as good as the Duck ten-pagers of the time. In particular in
1946... the Duck material for that year is undoubtedly the heaviest on
rivalry between Don and the kids, with all of them shown in a VERY
unflattering light. Perhaps 1946 is the year in which I find the
ducks of the Barks stories to have the least depth.
My Egmont stories
=================
It's gonna be a long, LO-OOO-ONG time until we see any of my
Egmont stories from Gladstone. There's a chance that my first one has
been drawn now, but there's about a eight-month lag between when the
story is finished, and when it's printed by Egmont... if not longer.
The three stories I have sold so far are:
Uncle Scrooge in "Two in One" -- art by Daniel Branca (this is
the only one which has yet been sent to an artist). Scrooge vs.
Magica de Spell in perhaps the most screwloose battle they have ever
had. And Magica has quite a battle with herself, too. Just wait...
Donald Duck in "Pork-Barrel Politics." Donald trains
Grandma's three piglets Napoleon, Snowball, and Squealer, with hopes
to earn big money with an animal act. But when the pigs seem too dumb
to learn the tricks, Donald brings in Gyro's Think Boxes... BIG
mistake. You'd think he'd have learned from last time...
Donald Duck in "Rolling in Dough." Scrooge has opened a
pastry factory, making baked goods with a very special secret
ingredient from Gyro Gearloose. On the day before Scrooge's factory
personell start work, Scrooge is going away on a business trip, and
hires Donald to guard the mysterious secret from other companies'
industrial spies. But it isn't spies who show up -- does the number
176 mean anything to you?
The three are 10, 11, and 12 pages in that order. But once
again, it's unlikely we will see the first one until 1995, and the
next two may wait until 1996.
I'm now finishing the first of three Mickeys I've arranged
to do. The time lag here may not be so great with Egmont because they
hardly have enough Mickeys as it is, but it will undoubtedly be great
with Gladstone, because the only outlet for non-FG MM stories, D&M, is
usually booked up...
BTW, I hear a lot of complaints around here about the Goofy
History stories. If you'd rather see something else, write to
Gladstone! And write a LOT. When I last discussed the Goofys with
John, he said that response was not negative enough to stop them, but
that they would be alternated with other stories from now on. What
does everyone here think? Good idea? Bad? WRITE!!!
The Secret of Mars
==================
I too am disappointed that you will not see this with my
dialogue appended to it, Mark.
That's all for now, folks.
David Gerstein
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #258.
Message 23 -
1994-03-04 at 06:42:23
ALEX AGOSTINI:
Rather than us retelling the entire, convoluted history of
Gladstone>Disney>Gladstone everytime a new member joins this list, you
might try accessing the old Digests which I understand are available
here in some sort of library. In fact, we recapped the Disney collapse
briefly just a few messages back.
MARK:
Your description of the coloring in your "Back to the Klondike"
Gladstone album caused me to become curious and reach for mine which is
on a shelf nearby. There was no strange coloring in the panel of DD and
the bear on the bent-over tree in MY copy. And in the scene of the
barroom brawl, there are only two fighting figures other than U$ that
aren't blue, which may or may not be how you were describing it. (I,
too, was GREATLY disappointed in that scene -- it was the first time
that panel would have been colored in America and it was the first thing
I turned to when I got that album.)
And I'll put in my vote for NOT repeating that entire list of
introDUCKtions every time there's a revision. Some of us DO pay by the
character/letter and not by the message. I get to feeling pretty silly
myself when I see there's a long Digest to read and find out that most
of it is someone who must reprint one of MY own long messages, word for
word, before he can reply to it, rather than just making a reference to
my earlier post -- and I find I'm paying to read my own words. It's not
a big deal... just a few dollars a day at the worst. It doesn't add up
too fast, yet it could be avoided so easilly?
Rather than us retelling the entire, convoluted history of
Gladstone>Disney>Gladstone everytime a new member joins this list, you
might try accessing the old Digests which I understand are available
here in some sort of library. In fact, we recapped the Disney collapse
briefly just a few messages back.
MARK:
Your description of the coloring in your "Back to the Klondike"
Gladstone album caused me to become curious and reach for mine which is
on a shelf nearby. There was no strange coloring in the panel of DD and
the bear on the bent-over tree in MY copy. And in the scene of the
barroom brawl, there are only two fighting figures other than U$ that
aren't blue, which may or may not be how you were describing it. (I,
too, was GREATLY disappointed in that scene -- it was the first time
that panel would have been colored in America and it was the first thing
I turned to when I got that album.)
And I'll put in my vote for NOT repeating that entire list of
introDUCKtions every time there's a revision. Some of us DO pay by the
character/letter and not by the message. I get to feeling pretty silly
myself when I see there's a long Digest to read and find out that most
of it is someone who must reprint one of MY own long messages, word for
word, before he can reply to it, rather than just making a reference to
my earlier post -- and I find I'm paying to read my own words. It's not
a big deal... just a few dollars a day at the worst. It doesn't add up
too fast, yet it could be avoided so easilly?
Harry Fluks
Long quotes and repeated messages
Message 24 -
1994-03-04 at 13:34:55
Don:
> I get to feeling pretty silly
> myself when I see there's a long Digest to read and find out that most
> of it is someone who must reprint one of MY own long messages, word for
> word, before he can reply to it, rather than just making a reference to
> my earlier post -- and I find I'm paying to read my own words.
Well, here are some of your own words again. I usually quote just enough
of a previous message so that a reader can understand my reply without
having to dig up the original message. Most of the members of this list
do not receive the messages in digests, so when they read it they don't
have the previous messages nearby.
I agree with you that the quotes shouldn't be too long - an Internet rule is
to let a message have at least as much new material as quotes.
And I also agree that we don't need all those introducktions repeatedly in
the digests. Apart from some people paying by the character (apparently...)
we also have the problem of archiving: if Per wants to have all digests
available on an ftp archive, this can cost a lot of space with no extra
information. I myself also archive everything from this list (My archive is
about 3 1/2 floppy disks by now) and I always edit out the unnecessary
texts manually.
Maybe we can define some way to send a message to the list, but NOT to the
digests? There is some point in re-sending old messages (new members keep
asking for old information) but the few people that PAY for their messages
shouldn't be bothered with it. Mattias could send NEW introducktions to the
digest, and ALL introducktions to the rest of the list.
Maybe Per can work something out, like a special tag on the subject line?
--Harry.
> I get to feeling pretty silly
> myself when I see there's a long Digest to read and find out that most
> of it is someone who must reprint one of MY own long messages, word for
> word, before he can reply to it, rather than just making a reference to
> my earlier post -- and I find I'm paying to read my own words.
Well, here are some of your own words again. I usually quote just enough
of a previous message so that a reader can understand my reply without
having to dig up the original message. Most of the members of this list
do not receive the messages in digests, so when they read it they don't
have the previous messages nearby.
I agree with you that the quotes shouldn't be too long - an Internet rule is
to let a message have at least as much new material as quotes.
And I also agree that we don't need all those introducktions repeatedly in
the digests. Apart from some people paying by the character (apparently...)
we also have the problem of archiving: if Per wants to have all digests
available on an ftp archive, this can cost a lot of space with no extra
information. I myself also archive everything from this list (My archive is
about 3 1/2 floppy disks by now) and I always edit out the unnecessary
texts manually.
Maybe we can define some way to send a message to the list, but NOT to the
digests? There is some point in re-sending old messages (new members keep
asking for old information) but the few people that PAY for their messages
shouldn't be bothered with it. Mattias could send NEW introducktions to the
digest, and ALL introducktions to the rest of the list.
Maybe Per can work something out, like a special tag on the subject line?
--Harry.
James Williams
Disney-comics digest #253.
Message 25 -
1994-03-04 at 14:28:17
>When I was finished, I realized I didn't really know what it was that
>caused the "Fall of Disney Comics".
I think a lot of different things led to their downfall.
o Since Gladstone's comics sold well, Disney assumed that the same
comics done by DISNEY would do even better. They had a bigger
budget than Gladstone, so they hired various big name creators.
But, the people they hired weren't necessarily Disney Fans and
who didn't understand Disney comics.
o The quality was very inconsistant. Just look a Mickey Mouse,
Goofy Adventures, and T&M Beirnbaum's Rescue Ranger issues.
o They started printing multi-issue comics. Look at some of the
latter issue of DuckTales. You'll see letters from little kids
asking 'Why are your stories so long?'. One of the unspoke
rules of Disney comics is that you get at least one complete
story each issue. Look at the books which got canned first,
most of them were ones which broke this rule. Likewise,
Gladstone' own Mickey Mouse title broke this rule and you
know the results. This is why I think if Gladstone decides
to relaunch Mickey Mouse that they will have to do it without
using Floyd Gottfredson stories. [The sound you hear is
David going blastic!]
>It was the Roger Rabbit comics that got me interested in comics. I
>was really sad to see Roger Rabbit end and some of the others...
While I really liked the movie, I didn't care for the comic much. The
whole toon/human difference got lost. I missed Edie Valiant. Edie
Valiant played a crucial role in WFRR, he was the character that people
could relate to. If we'd simply seen Roger Rabbit and Toontown, it
wouldn't have worked very well. But, we saw RR & TT though Edie
Valiant's eyes.
>Will Roger ever return to comics?
I'm not sure Roger will ever return again PERIOD. He hasn't been in
Disney Adventures Digest in almost a year. The video for 'A Faraway
Place' (I think that was the movies name) lacks the Maroon Cartoon.
And from what I hear Amblin and Disney aren't speaking to each other.
Also, Disney built Bonkers T. Bobcat (a horrible cartoon) to replace
Roger Rabbit.
James Williams
>caused the "Fall of Disney Comics".
I think a lot of different things led to their downfall.
o Since Gladstone's comics sold well, Disney assumed that the same
comics done by DISNEY would do even better. They had a bigger
budget than Gladstone, so they hired various big name creators.
But, the people they hired weren't necessarily Disney Fans and
who didn't understand Disney comics.
o The quality was very inconsistant. Just look a Mickey Mouse,
Goofy Adventures, and T&M Beirnbaum's Rescue Ranger issues.
o They started printing multi-issue comics. Look at some of the
latter issue of DuckTales. You'll see letters from little kids
asking 'Why are your stories so long?'. One of the unspoke
rules of Disney comics is that you get at least one complete
story each issue. Look at the books which got canned first,
most of them were ones which broke this rule. Likewise,
Gladstone' own Mickey Mouse title broke this rule and you
know the results. This is why I think if Gladstone decides
to relaunch Mickey Mouse that they will have to do it without
using Floyd Gottfredson stories. [The sound you hear is
David going blastic!]
>It was the Roger Rabbit comics that got me interested in comics. I
>was really sad to see Roger Rabbit end and some of the others...
While I really liked the movie, I didn't care for the comic much. The
whole toon/human difference got lost. I missed Edie Valiant. Edie
Valiant played a crucial role in WFRR, he was the character that people
could relate to. If we'd simply seen Roger Rabbit and Toontown, it
wouldn't have worked very well. But, we saw RR & TT though Edie
Valiant's eyes.
>Will Roger ever return to comics?
I'm not sure Roger will ever return again PERIOD. He hasn't been in
Disney Adventures Digest in almost a year. The video for 'A Faraway
Place' (I think that was the movies name) lacks the Maroon Cartoon.
And from what I hear Amblin and Disney aren't speaking to each other.
Also, Disney built Bonkers T. Bobcat (a horrible cartoon) to replace
Roger Rabbit.
James Williams
James Williams
Disney-comics digest #254.
Message 26 -
1994-03-04 at 14:28:18
>I'm also compelled to say something about the idea that Roger
>Rabbit attracted someone to "Disney comics".
Your missing a key point here. From Chris' messages, I get the
impression that he really liked the movie WFRR. This caused
him to purchase the RR comic. He liked it, so he tried other
Disney comics.
To the general public, Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck aren't characters.
They are corporate icons and fashion statements. Why, because of
Disney GREED. If you want to see a MM or DD cartoon, you have to
either rent a tape or subscribe to the Disney Channel. Everytime I
turn around the television is showing either Warner Brothers' cartoons
or Hanna and Barbera cartoons. People will walk in to a comic book
shop and buy DC's Looney Toons and Harvey's new HB books. And, I bet
that these people won't be buying Gladstone's books.
This is one of the reasons I wish Mighy Morphin Power Rangers were
published under the Gladstone imprint instead of the Hamilton imprint.
James Williams
>Rabbit attracted someone to "Disney comics".
Your missing a key point here. From Chris' messages, I get the
impression that he really liked the movie WFRR. This caused
him to purchase the RR comic. He liked it, so he tried other
Disney comics.
To the general public, Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck aren't characters.
They are corporate icons and fashion statements. Why, because of
Disney GREED. If you want to see a MM or DD cartoon, you have to
either rent a tape or subscribe to the Disney Channel. Everytime I
turn around the television is showing either Warner Brothers' cartoons
or Hanna and Barbera cartoons. People will walk in to a comic book
shop and buy DC's Looney Toons and Harvey's new HB books. And, I bet
that these people won't be buying Gladstone's books.
This is one of the reasons I wish Mighy Morphin Power Rangers were
published under the Gladstone imprint instead of the Hamilton imprint.
James Williams
James Williams
Disney-comics digest #255.
Message 27 -
1994-03-04 at 14:28:19
>If it's Roger Rabbit that you like, either the comic book or the
>movie, I would suggest that Disney is NOT what you should be reading
>(or watching) at all.
Why are the two mutually exclusive? Carl Barks is one of the best
comic books writers ever. Chuck Jones is one of the best cartoon
directors ever. Both were absolutely brilliant at times. I enjoy
both for very different reasons. BUT, I ENJOY BOTH!
>I'll continue to reread the stuff I enjoy whether or not it is
>considered by the experts to be clasics or high-quality or whatever.
>Is that bad? Does that make me not like the good stuff (i.e. DELL
>Disney)?
Few things about comic book fandom bother me more than elitism. Read
what you like! If you want to experiment with something different, do
so because you want to. Soon as you start reading stuff because
people tell you that you should read it, you'll stop enjoying reading.
James William
>movie, I would suggest that Disney is NOT what you should be reading
>(or watching) at all.
Why are the two mutually exclusive? Carl Barks is one of the best
comic books writers ever. Chuck Jones is one of the best cartoon
directors ever. Both were absolutely brilliant at times. I enjoy
both for very different reasons. BUT, I ENJOY BOTH!
>I'll continue to reread the stuff I enjoy whether or not it is
>considered by the experts to be clasics or high-quality or whatever.
>Is that bad? Does that make me not like the good stuff (i.e. DELL
>Disney)?
Few things about comic book fandom bother me more than elitism. Read
what you like! If you want to experiment with something different, do
so because you want to. Soon as you start reading stuff because
people tell you that you should read it, you'll stop enjoying reading.
James William
David A Gerstein
Disney-comics digest #259.
Message 28 -
1994-03-05 at 08:25:37
Dear Folks,
Don Rosa thought that the recent references to the "Back to
the Klondike" story were references to the color in Gladstone's early
(1987) album printing.
Nope... just so you know, Don, Gladstone has just brought that
story to us AGAIN in UNCLE SCROOGE ADVENTURES #26. That's the version
we've been discussing...
Also, James Williams mentioned that MM failed because it was a
continued title. Actually, Disney Comics' best-seller of all time
was, I believe, UNCLE SCROOGE #261 and 262 which printed Don Rosa's
"Return to Xanadu" in .... two parts.
(Also note that WDC&S is now one of Gladstone's more
successful titles, according to John Clark. It has continued stories,
Mickey ones no less.)
As for whether Gottfredson can fit in single issues -- well,
many of the stories can if they're printed three strips to a page in
sideways format, the way Disney did it (and Gladstone now often does
it). And if MM was to have 64-page issues every other issue like DDA
and USA now do, it could easily cram a longer Gottfredson into each of
those.
Did I go ballistic? Nope, I'm perfectly calm! (When I have
the answer to the question that is.) ;-)
People look on me as the biggest Gottfredson fan around here,
but according to the IntroDUCKtion list, everyone else who listed a MM
artist among their favorite artists chose FG only. No mention of
anyone else...
What do people think of DONALD AND MICKEY's selections?
So long, folks.
David
"I'm the Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way free semple!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Don Rosa thought that the recent references to the "Back to
the Klondike" story were references to the color in Gladstone's early
(1987) album printing.
Nope... just so you know, Don, Gladstone has just brought that
story to us AGAIN in UNCLE SCROOGE ADVENTURES #26. That's the version
we've been discussing...
Also, James Williams mentioned that MM failed because it was a
continued title. Actually, Disney Comics' best-seller of all time
was, I believe, UNCLE SCROOGE #261 and 262 which printed Don Rosa's
"Return to Xanadu" in .... two parts.
(Also note that WDC&S is now one of Gladstone's more
successful titles, according to John Clark. It has continued stories,
Mickey ones no less.)
As for whether Gottfredson can fit in single issues -- well,
many of the stories can if they're printed three strips to a page in
sideways format, the way Disney did it (and Gladstone now often does
it). And if MM was to have 64-page issues every other issue like DDA
and USA now do, it could easily cram a longer Gottfredson into each of
those.
Did I go ballistic? Nope, I'm perfectly calm! (When I have
the answer to the question that is.) ;-)
People look on me as the biggest Gottfredson fan around here,
but according to the IntroDUCKtion list, everyone else who listed a MM
artist among their favorite artists chose FG only. No mention of
anyone else...
What do people think of DONALD AND MICKEY's selections?
So long, folks.
David
"I'm the Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way free semple!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Mark Semich
Mickey Mouse
Message 29 -
1994-03-05 at 19:53:54
David A Gerstein <David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu> writes:
>
> What do people think of DONALD AND MICKEY's selections?
I'm not sure, but I suspect that you dislike the Diaz/Disney Studios
Goofy/Mickey "stories". I find them to be abysmal, and I've already
written to Gladstone expressing my dislike and asking them to publish
some *good* Mickey Mouse stuff (either adventures or vignettes). I
encourage everyone else to do the same!
I pretty much agreed with your analysis published in the D&M 23 letter
column, except that I am much less tolerant of "Goofy Midas" than you
were... :-)
>
> What do people think of DONALD AND MICKEY's selections?
I'm not sure, but I suspect that you dislike the Diaz/Disney Studios
Goofy/Mickey "stories". I find them to be abysmal, and I've already
written to Gladstone expressing my dislike and asking them to publish
some *good* Mickey Mouse stuff (either adventures or vignettes). I
encourage everyone else to do the same!
I pretty much agreed with your analysis published in the D&M 23 letter
column, except that I am much less tolerant of "Goofy Midas" than you
were... :-)
David A Gerstein
A poll for everyone
Message 30 -
1994-03-05 at 22:05:19
Dear Folks,
Here's a poll which was just posted on rec.arts.comics. Let's
all enter this, so that we can at least make our presence known. Who
knows, while the majority squabble over who writes the best (TM)
superhero angst material, if our votes are relatively solid, then
maybe we'll win some of these categories!
Only comics issued in 1993 count, folks. This means Disneys
starting with the month of DDAD 34/WDC&S 581/US 276, and Gladstones
through the month of DDA 24/WDC&S 589/US 284.
Regardez:
T1. Favorite writer
T2. Favorite penciller
T3. Favorite inker
T4. Favorite letterer
T5. Favorite colorist
T6. Favorite full-art painter
T7. Favorite editor
T8. Favorite creative team
P1. Favorite established continuing series
P2. Favorite new continuing series
P3. Favorite limited series (planned 2 to 12 issues)
P4. Favorite anthology series
P5. Most improved series
B1. Favorite original graphic novel
B2. Favorite collection or reprint book
S1. Favorite issue of a continuing or limited series
S2. Favorite multi-part story in a continuing series
S3. Favorite single- or multi-part story in an anthology
C1. Favorite character
C2. Favorite team of characters
C3. Favorite cast of characters
M1. Favorite newspaper or magazine comic strip or panel
M2. Favorite publication about comics (no newsgroups/mailing lists)
M3. Favorite newsgroup, online forum or mailing list about comics
R1. Favorite RAC*'er
[In other words, your favorite person who writes articles on
rec.arts.comics -- I don't know how many people are familiar with that
group]
* * * * *
Send votes to the address
squiddies at queernet.org
* * * * *
So long, folks.
David Gerstein
"I'm the Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way free semple!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Here's a poll which was just posted on rec.arts.comics. Let's
all enter this, so that we can at least make our presence known. Who
knows, while the majority squabble over who writes the best (TM)
superhero angst material, if our votes are relatively solid, then
maybe we'll win some of these categories!
Only comics issued in 1993 count, folks. This means Disneys
starting with the month of DDAD 34/WDC&S 581/US 276, and Gladstones
through the month of DDA 24/WDC&S 589/US 284.
Regardez:
T1. Favorite writer
T2. Favorite penciller
T3. Favorite inker
T4. Favorite letterer
T5. Favorite colorist
T6. Favorite full-art painter
T7. Favorite editor
T8. Favorite creative team
P1. Favorite established continuing series
P2. Favorite new continuing series
P3. Favorite limited series (planned 2 to 12 issues)
P4. Favorite anthology series
P5. Most improved series
B1. Favorite original graphic novel
B2. Favorite collection or reprint book
S1. Favorite issue of a continuing or limited series
S2. Favorite multi-part story in a continuing series
S3. Favorite single- or multi-part story in an anthology
C1. Favorite character
C2. Favorite team of characters
C3. Favorite cast of characters
M1. Favorite newspaper or magazine comic strip or panel
M2. Favorite publication about comics (no newsgroups/mailing lists)
M3. Favorite newsgroup, online forum or mailing list about comics
R1. Favorite RAC*'er
[In other words, your favorite person who writes articles on
rec.arts.comics -- I don't know how many people are familiar with that
group]
* * * * *
Send votes to the address
squiddies at queernet.org
* * * * *
So long, folks.
David Gerstein
"I'm the Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way free semple!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>