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Scott D. Marshall
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Message 121 -
1994-05-18 at 07:33:29
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Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #331.
Message 122 -
1994-05-18 at 07:47:48
ANDREW D.:
Wow! All that trouble to find an U$ #219! It's a mighty strange
feeling to find out that things like that concerning one of my comics is
going on on the opposite side of the planet, and I'm completely unaware
of it.
My use of the name "Fonebone" harkens back to where I assume
Jeff Smith got it from as well. It's a name oft used by Don Martin
("MAD's maddest artist") in his stuff dating back over 30 years at
least.
You want some CAPTAIN KENTUCKYs? What's your address?
RoC:
Wow! I can't wait to get those comics. THANX. I'll let you know
when they show up. And your address is on the package, of course.
PER:
Had I failed to pass along the name and COMPUSERVE address of
another party interested in receiving these Digests? Here:
Stephanie Cranfill - 72122,1344
Wow! All that trouble to find an U$ #219! It's a mighty strange
feeling to find out that things like that concerning one of my comics is
going on on the opposite side of the planet, and I'm completely unaware
of it.
My use of the name "Fonebone" harkens back to where I assume
Jeff Smith got it from as well. It's a name oft used by Don Martin
("MAD's maddest artist") in his stuff dating back over 30 years at
least.
You want some CAPTAIN KENTUCKYs? What's your address?
RoC:
Wow! I can't wait to get those comics. THANX. I'll let you know
when they show up. And your address is on the package, of course.
PER:
Had I failed to pass along the name and COMPUSERVE address of
another party interested in receiving these Digests? Here:
Stephanie Cranfill - 72122,1344
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #331.
Message 123 -
1994-05-18 at 07:51:53
Oh, I was going to comment on those Norwegian contest questions.
I'm sorry to see one about my Family Tree (Grandma being Cornelius
Coot's granddaughter). I mean, *I* liked that bit, but I'm happy to
allow the Disney Duck readers to accept or reject my "Duck Universe" as
they see fit; that question seems to FORCE my vision on them.
(I'm also sorry to see a question involving my "Lillehammer"
story. After all, it was only "imaginary".)
I'm sorry to see one about my Family Tree (Grandma being Cornelius
Coot's granddaughter). I mean, *I* liked that bit, but I'm happy to
allow the Disney Duck readers to accept or reject my "Duck Universe" as
they see fit; that question seems to FORCE my vision on them.
(I'm also sorry to see a question involving my "Lillehammer"
story. After all, it was only "imaginary".)
Mark Clegg
Disney-comics digest #330.
Message 124 -
1994-05-18 at 09:22:55
David:
It is only the popularity of the image of Mickey that Stephen Jay Gould was
trying to explain with his theories. That image has become known all over the
world. I doubt that the stories have penetrated that far or if they are the
cause of his popularity.
It is only the popularity of the image of Mickey that Stephen Jay Gould was
trying to explain with his theories. That image has become known all over the
world. I doubt that the stories have penetrated that far or if they are the
cause of his popularity.
Per Starback
Riley Thompson
Message 125 -
1994-05-18 at 17:15:29
Harry mentioned that "Tom-Tom Island" from Mickey Mouse Four Color 304
was drawn by Riley Thompson, which led to questions from Mark and
David, who knew Riley Thompson only for his work in animation.
(I don't think I've seen "The Little Whirlwind", btw. That seems to
be a loss!)
I knew nothing about him except that I recognized his name as a not
very prolific Disney comics artists and I didn't know what he had
done, but here is what I've found (as Mark asked about it):
(I've listed all American reprints I know of.)
FC 282 (Donald Duck One-Shot also containing Barks's Pixilated Parrot):
DD Pig in a Poke (26 pages)
FC 286 (Mickey Mouse One-Shot):
MM and the Uninvited Guest (28 pages)
(Probably inked by Buettner according to Becattini.)
Reprinted in Gladstone's Mickey Mouse Digest 4.
FC 291 (Donald Duck One-Shot also containing Barks's Magic Hourglass):
DD The Spirit of '76 (20 pages)
FC 304 (Mickey Mouse One-Shot):
MM Tom-Tom Island (29 pages)
FC 308 (Donald Duck One-Shot also containing Barks's Dangerous Disguise):
Kjell Cron'e calls the last one-pager "The bird house" and says
it is drawn by Riley Thompson. Alberto Becattini calls it
"Power Tools" and says it's by an unknown artist whom he calls
"(MICKEY 6)".
FC 331 (Alice in Wonderland):
Alice in Wonderland (48 pages, inked by Bob Grant?)
Reprinted in Dell Junior Treasure 1 (1955),
Gold Key's Alice in Wonderland (1965),
and Whitman's Alice in Wonderland (1982).
Christmas Parade 2 (November 1950):
Pluto's Sweater (8 pages)
Reprinted in Gold Key's CP 5 and Disney's Holiday Parade 1.
Becattini and Cron'e agree, but our Gladstone/Disney
index says that it's McSavage's art. Is that what the
credits say?
Gus and Jaq (The Castle Caper OR Visiting Cinderella) (8 pages)
Reprinted in WDCD 17.
Pencilled by RT and inked by Buettner according to
Becattini.
Christmas Parade 4 (November 1952):
Brer Rabbit (Glass bottom boat OR Monsters of the deep) (8 pages)
WDC 121--124, 126--128:
The Grandma Duck stories.
WDC 126:
Donald Duck story.
My sources are Kjell Crone's index (available at the ftp site),
Alberto Becattini's book The Disney Index (vol. 1), NAFS(k)uriren #9
(with short (then) new info on various artists), and "our" Gladstone
and Disney Comics index.
As you can see not many of these stories have been reprinted recently.
I'm looking forward to the bright future when we'll just have to write
something like "For stories by Riley Thompson, list publications in
the USA" to automatically connect to the Master Index, extract the
information and then present it.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
was drawn by Riley Thompson, which led to questions from Mark and
David, who knew Riley Thompson only for his work in animation.
(I don't think I've seen "The Little Whirlwind", btw. That seems to
be a loss!)
I knew nothing about him except that I recognized his name as a not
very prolific Disney comics artists and I didn't know what he had
done, but here is what I've found (as Mark asked about it):
(I've listed all American reprints I know of.)
FC 282 (Donald Duck One-Shot also containing Barks's Pixilated Parrot):
DD Pig in a Poke (26 pages)
FC 286 (Mickey Mouse One-Shot):
MM and the Uninvited Guest (28 pages)
(Probably inked by Buettner according to Becattini.)
Reprinted in Gladstone's Mickey Mouse Digest 4.
FC 291 (Donald Duck One-Shot also containing Barks's Magic Hourglass):
DD The Spirit of '76 (20 pages)
FC 304 (Mickey Mouse One-Shot):
MM Tom-Tom Island (29 pages)
FC 308 (Donald Duck One-Shot also containing Barks's Dangerous Disguise):
Kjell Cron'e calls the last one-pager "The bird house" and says
it is drawn by Riley Thompson. Alberto Becattini calls it
"Power Tools" and says it's by an unknown artist whom he calls
"(MICKEY 6)".
FC 331 (Alice in Wonderland):
Alice in Wonderland (48 pages, inked by Bob Grant?)
Reprinted in Dell Junior Treasure 1 (1955),
Gold Key's Alice in Wonderland (1965),
and Whitman's Alice in Wonderland (1982).
Christmas Parade 2 (November 1950):
Pluto's Sweater (8 pages)
Reprinted in Gold Key's CP 5 and Disney's Holiday Parade 1.
Becattini and Cron'e agree, but our Gladstone/Disney
index says that it's McSavage's art. Is that what the
credits say?
Gus and Jaq (The Castle Caper OR Visiting Cinderella) (8 pages)
Reprinted in WDCD 17.
Pencilled by RT and inked by Buettner according to
Becattini.
Christmas Parade 4 (November 1952):
Brer Rabbit (Glass bottom boat OR Monsters of the deep) (8 pages)
WDC 121--124, 126--128:
The Grandma Duck stories.
WDC 126:
Donald Duck story.
My sources are Kjell Crone's index (available at the ftp site),
Alberto Becattini's book The Disney Index (vol. 1), NAFS(k)uriren #9
(with short (then) new info on various artists), and "our" Gladstone
and Disney Comics index.
As you can see not many of these stories have been reprinted recently.
I'm looking forward to the bright future when we'll just have to write
something like "For stories by Riley Thompson, list publications in
the USA" to automatically connect to the Master Index, extract the
information and then present it.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Harry Fluks
Riley Thompson and Matena's vikings
Message 126 -
1994-05-18 at 18:39:04
Riley Thompson
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"
Per Starback wrote:
> I'm looking forward to the bright future when we'll just have to write
> something like "For stories by Riley Thompson, list publications in
> the USA" to automatically connect to the Master Index, extract the
> information and then present it.
Well, in the near future we will have something that looks remotely similar:
a program that can be called like "DIZNIREP W RT" and then will list all
stories written and/or drawn by RT for editor Western, with all the USA
reprints listed.
I almost could have produced your list, except for two "minor" things:
1. The program DIZNIREP has a few bugs (it's too slow and lists too much)
2. I don't have all the data in the database. Crone and Gladstone data
is included, but I still don't have that @#$% Becattini index 8-(
David is reviewing the data in the Disney comics Database, and I expect
the first version to be available next week (on ftp).
Matena's Vikings
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ole asked about a Dick Matena story (sorry, non-disney stuff here).
There were four stories in the series "Grote Pyr" (Peer Viking in German).
Story 1: album 1973, reprinted 1987
Story 2: album 1976, reprinted 1988
Story 3: album 1979!, reprinted 1988. The reprint album was only in German,
Danish and Finnish (not even in Dutch). This is "The Son of the Sun"
Story 4: first published in a comic magazine in 1989. Album reprint (German
only) in 1991. "The Iron Lady"
Apparently, that Viking was more popular in Germany and Denmark than in
Holland.
The only disney-comics related remark I can make about Matena is that he
still draws Li'l Wolf stories. He admitted a few years ago in an interview
that he was surprised the editors still bought his stuff. He only does it
for the money, so that he can spend the rest of his time making experimental
comics that don't sell.
You can imagine what the quality of his Wolf stories is...
--Harry.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"
Per Starback wrote:
> I'm looking forward to the bright future when we'll just have to write
> something like "For stories by Riley Thompson, list publications in
> the USA" to automatically connect to the Master Index, extract the
> information and then present it.
Well, in the near future we will have something that looks remotely similar:
a program that can be called like "DIZNIREP W RT" and then will list all
stories written and/or drawn by RT for editor Western, with all the USA
reprints listed.
I almost could have produced your list, except for two "minor" things:
1. The program DIZNIREP has a few bugs (it's too slow and lists too much)
2. I don't have all the data in the database. Crone and Gladstone data
is included, but I still don't have that @#$% Becattini index 8-(
David is reviewing the data in the Disney comics Database, and I expect
the first version to be available next week (on ftp).
Matena's Vikings
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ole asked about a Dick Matena story (sorry, non-disney stuff here).
There were four stories in the series "Grote Pyr" (Peer Viking in German).
Story 1: album 1973, reprinted 1987
Story 2: album 1976, reprinted 1988
Story 3: album 1979!, reprinted 1988. The reprint album was only in German,
Danish and Finnish (not even in Dutch). This is "The Son of the Sun"
Story 4: first published in a comic magazine in 1989. Album reprint (German
only) in 1991. "The Iron Lady"
Apparently, that Viking was more popular in Germany and Denmark than in
Holland.
The only disney-comics related remark I can make about Matena is that he
still draws Li'l Wolf stories. He admitted a few years ago in an interview
that he was surprised the editors still bought his stuff. He only does it
for the money, so that he can spend the rest of his time making experimental
comics that don't sell.
You can imagine what the quality of his Wolf stories is...
--Harry.
David A Gerstein
Riley Thompson
Message 127 -
1994-05-19 at 07:17:46
Dear Folks,
Okay, it's official. Riley Thompson is my least favorite Duck
artist. Out of EVERYONE. That Italian guy included, who drew the
pocket book intermezzos!! (Fabio, I've lost his name again...)
Thompson's art on such stories as "Pig in a Poke" and "Spirit
of '76" (both of which I own) is not exactly poor comic art all the
time (although in some cases it IS), but the problem is that Thompson
clearly drew some poses of Donald using Daffy Duck as a model, but
just not blackening him in! This is absolutely the ugliest version of
Donald I have ever seen in my life.
The stories are pretty bad too, each of them involving at
least one completely improbable bit.
Plots? Sure, I'll give 'em. In "Pig in a Poke" HDL get a pet
pig, and it drives Donald crazy, so they try to earn its keep by
entering it in a carnival's competition. When it doesn't win, HDL get
into the pen themselves, take off their clothes, and act like ANIMAL
ducks!! The pig, meanwhile, suddenly is on its hind legs acting as
their HUMAN owner! And they win, and so the pig stays.
In "Spirit of '76," Donald reads about the Revolution and gets
the idea that he's going to educate the nephews by doing everything
just as the colonists did. He continues with this in spite of logic,
in spite of EVERYTHING -- I believe at one point the Ducks are
starving, or something, and Donald could get food for them in a
certain way but won't do it because the colonists couldn't do it two
hundred years before!! Donald is just TOO monomaniacal here... kinda
fits the Daffy appearance. Urlgk.
Now that I've sufficiently described these, I hope that you
see just how poor these are. Art is worse than Jim Fletcher's....
David Gerstein
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Okay, it's official. Riley Thompson is my least favorite Duck
artist. Out of EVERYONE. That Italian guy included, who drew the
pocket book intermezzos!! (Fabio, I've lost his name again...)
Thompson's art on such stories as "Pig in a Poke" and "Spirit
of '76" (both of which I own) is not exactly poor comic art all the
time (although in some cases it IS), but the problem is that Thompson
clearly drew some poses of Donald using Daffy Duck as a model, but
just not blackening him in! This is absolutely the ugliest version of
Donald I have ever seen in my life.
The stories are pretty bad too, each of them involving at
least one completely improbable bit.
Plots? Sure, I'll give 'em. In "Pig in a Poke" HDL get a pet
pig, and it drives Donald crazy, so they try to earn its keep by
entering it in a carnival's competition. When it doesn't win, HDL get
into the pen themselves, take off their clothes, and act like ANIMAL
ducks!! The pig, meanwhile, suddenly is on its hind legs acting as
their HUMAN owner! And they win, and so the pig stays.
In "Spirit of '76," Donald reads about the Revolution and gets
the idea that he's going to educate the nephews by doing everything
just as the colonists did. He continues with this in spite of logic,
in spite of EVERYTHING -- I believe at one point the Ducks are
starving, or something, and Donald could get food for them in a
certain way but won't do it because the colonists couldn't do it two
hundred years before!! Donald is just TOO monomaniacal here... kinda
fits the Daffy appearance. Urlgk.
Now that I've sufficiently described these, I hope that you
see just how poor these are. Art is worse than Jim Fletcher's....
David Gerstein
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
David A Gerstein
My new E-Mail address
Message 128 -
1994-05-21 at 21:03:18
Hi, Folks!
This will be my last letter to all of you from Williamstown
for a while. I'm going to be heading home in two days to Santa
Barbara, California, and so my future mail will come to you from this
address, which is also the one you should use when writing to me:
gerstein at math.ucsb.edu
Per, please start sending the Digests to that address now.
It's doubtful that I'll have time to read more of them (as much as I'd
like to, fer gosh sakes) until I get home.
There will be a marked decrease in the number of letters you
get from me over the summer, because the new address is my Dad's
office computer, and I don't get to his office too offen (er,
"often"). But a long trek doesn't bother me any more than it would
bother Andold Wild Duck, so I can shake it. (Follow me, Bo!)
By the way, while we're on the subject of Andold, a few of us
noticed the Asterix similarities in those stories, and how the names
are all anagrams. Andold = Donald. Aydis = Daisy. Well:
Bo = Ob (elix) <---- !!!!! These Italians are crazy!
* * * * *
And on that note, I must be off. In a minimum of time, you'll
begin to hear from me again, and I may have more news from Gladstone
by that time to share with you. We'll see what happens.
"I always come back! Like a bad penny! Or a ghost!"
"GHOST??! Merciful goodness! What have I DONE?!"
>SLAM!<
Your friend,
David Gerstein
"I'm de Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way free semple!"
<gerstein at math.ucsb.edu>
P. S. Fabio and Boris will have genuine TANGIBLE mail from
me soon! Honest!
This will be my last letter to all of you from Williamstown
for a while. I'm going to be heading home in two days to Santa
Barbara, California, and so my future mail will come to you from this
address, which is also the one you should use when writing to me:
gerstein at math.ucsb.edu
Per, please start sending the Digests to that address now.
It's doubtful that I'll have time to read more of them (as much as I'd
like to, fer gosh sakes) until I get home.
There will be a marked decrease in the number of letters you
get from me over the summer, because the new address is my Dad's
office computer, and I don't get to his office too offen (er,
"often"). But a long trek doesn't bother me any more than it would
bother Andold Wild Duck, so I can shake it. (Follow me, Bo!)
By the way, while we're on the subject of Andold, a few of us
noticed the Asterix similarities in those stories, and how the names
are all anagrams. Andold = Donald. Aydis = Daisy. Well:
Bo = Ob (elix) <---- !!!!! These Italians are crazy!
* * * * *
And on that note, I must be off. In a minimum of time, you'll
begin to hear from me again, and I may have more news from Gladstone
by that time to share with you. We'll see what happens.
"I always come back! Like a bad penny! Or a ghost!"
"GHOST??! Merciful goodness! What have I DONE?!"
>SLAM!<
Your friend,
David Gerstein
"I'm de Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way free semple!"
<gerstein at math.ucsb.edu>
P. S. Fabio and Boris will have genuine TANGIBLE mail from
me soon! Honest!
Knut Hunstad
DD: My life in an eggshell
Message 129 -
1994-05-22 at 14:27:08
Hello again!
I finally found my copy of the norwegian version of the 50-years story for
DD: "My life in an eggshell". Supposed to be the true story about DD, told
by himself. After rereading it for the first time in almost 10 years, I
still don't like it very much. As previously pointed out, DD is found in the
middle of the road after his nest fell down and he slipped out of the egg.
He was found by $crooge and his (older) sister (!!!) Grandma Duck. The name
was invented by Grandma after $crooge saying the baby reminded him of his
old friend from Alaska: Ronald (anyone heard of him before?). Donald grew up
on the farm. In this story it seems that Uncle $crooge lived at the farm
most of the time, too. This doesn't quite sum up with Don Rosa's version,
where $crooge travels around and doesn't return to Duckburg until Donald is
several years old.
Later the story tells about his nephews. This part is more correct, saying
they just stand knocking on his door one day. Except I thought the letter
was from his sister, not his cousine (as this story tells). In the last case
they wouldn't be real nephews. And how on earth did his family suddenly find
out what happened to him? After this, $crooge manages to find out that
Donald IS actually his nephew.
The rest of the story consists mainly of stand-up-comedian-like frames where
he tells about his many travels, employments etc. I didn't find many
references to classic storys here! Some pictures clearly referred to his
roles in movies during the WWII, though.
All in all this sums up to beeing a pitiful attempt to invent a "true" story
about DD, totally disregarding most of what has been common knowledge for a
long time. I almost regret I helped support such ignorancy by buying this story.
I am eagerly awaiting next weeks "Donald Duck & Co.", where we'll get the
12.th (and last?) part of the life of $crooge. That's what I call a good story!
Knut Hunstad
Trondheim, Norway
khun at veg.sintef.no
I finally found my copy of the norwegian version of the 50-years story for
DD: "My life in an eggshell". Supposed to be the true story about DD, told
by himself. After rereading it for the first time in almost 10 years, I
still don't like it very much. As previously pointed out, DD is found in the
middle of the road after his nest fell down and he slipped out of the egg.
He was found by $crooge and his (older) sister (!!!) Grandma Duck. The name
was invented by Grandma after $crooge saying the baby reminded him of his
old friend from Alaska: Ronald (anyone heard of him before?). Donald grew up
on the farm. In this story it seems that Uncle $crooge lived at the farm
most of the time, too. This doesn't quite sum up with Don Rosa's version,
where $crooge travels around and doesn't return to Duckburg until Donald is
several years old.
Later the story tells about his nephews. This part is more correct, saying
they just stand knocking on his door one day. Except I thought the letter
was from his sister, not his cousine (as this story tells). In the last case
they wouldn't be real nephews. And how on earth did his family suddenly find
out what happened to him? After this, $crooge manages to find out that
Donald IS actually his nephew.
The rest of the story consists mainly of stand-up-comedian-like frames where
he tells about his many travels, employments etc. I didn't find many
references to classic storys here! Some pictures clearly referred to his
roles in movies during the WWII, though.
All in all this sums up to beeing a pitiful attempt to invent a "true" story
about DD, totally disregarding most of what has been common knowledge for a
long time. I almost regret I helped support such ignorancy by buying this story.
I am eagerly awaiting next weeks "Donald Duck & Co.", where we'll get the
12.th (and last?) part of the life of $crooge. That's what I call a good story!
Knut Hunstad
Trondheim, Norway
khun at veg.sintef.no
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #335.
Message 130 -
1994-05-23 at 15:13:15
Knut:
Well, thank you very much. I also greatly dislike that "My Life
in an Eggshell" or whatever it's called (having flipped through it in
various foreign languages), and I regret that it will soon be inflicted
on America. I don't have to tell you what a "sick" idea it is to think
that all the Disney Ducks were the product of their parents suddenly
devolving or something, and flying off to build nests and lay eggs in
trees. I can't imagine the editor that allowed this whole idea.
It's certainly not a matter of me being a better writer or
artist that enables me to come up with stories that are vastly superior
to that sort of stupidity. It's simply a matter of me having vastly more
respect for the characters and the readers that compels me to spend a
little more time thinking up a story that reflects that attitude. The
other writers surely think I'm a fool for spending so much energy and
thought on something that pays so little and which Disney does not give
credits on and steals all our royalties from. But that's the only way I
CAN do this work. It'd be MORE difficult to force myself to do a story
like that "Life in an Eggshell" thing, I think.
RoC:
Yes, I received the Whitmans you sent, last Thursday I think it
was. It takes me a few days to find myself heading into town (from out
here in the country) to the post office, but when I do I will send you a
set of CAPTAIN KENTUCKYs by airmail. I assume I should sign them? Or do
you want them "clean".
NEWS:
If anyone on here finds this sort of news interesting: Marvel
Comics, who now publishes part of and distributes all of America's
Disney comics, just purchased HARVEY comics and all thier characters.
Well, thank you very much. I also greatly dislike that "My Life
in an Eggshell" or whatever it's called (having flipped through it in
various foreign languages), and I regret that it will soon be inflicted
on America. I don't have to tell you what a "sick" idea it is to think
that all the Disney Ducks were the product of their parents suddenly
devolving or something, and flying off to build nests and lay eggs in
trees. I can't imagine the editor that allowed this whole idea.
It's certainly not a matter of me being a better writer or
artist that enables me to come up with stories that are vastly superior
to that sort of stupidity. It's simply a matter of me having vastly more
respect for the characters and the readers that compels me to spend a
little more time thinking up a story that reflects that attitude. The
other writers surely think I'm a fool for spending so much energy and
thought on something that pays so little and which Disney does not give
credits on and steals all our royalties from. But that's the only way I
CAN do this work. It'd be MORE difficult to force myself to do a story
like that "Life in an Eggshell" thing, I think.
RoC:
Yes, I received the Whitmans you sent, last Thursday I think it
was. It takes me a few days to find myself heading into town (from out
here in the country) to the post office, but when I do I will send you a
set of CAPTAIN KENTUCKYs by airmail. I assume I should sign them? Or do
you want them "clean".
NEWS:
If anyone on here finds this sort of news interesting: Marvel
Comics, who now publishes part of and distributes all of America's
Disney comics, just purchased HARVEY comics and all thier characters.
Sigurdur Hrafn Gislason
Gladstone is not related to Scrooge!
Message 131 -
1994-05-23 at 20:27:01
My friend came up with an interesting point. According to Rosa's Duck
family tree, Gladstone is not in linear descent from Scrooge and therefore
should not be eligable for inheritance. Puts a new twist on all these
"Which is going to inherit my fortune" stories from Disney.
Sigurdur
family tree, Gladstone is not in linear descent from Scrooge and therefore
should not be eligable for inheritance. Puts a new twist on all these
"Which is going to inherit my fortune" stories from Disney.
Sigurdur
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #336.
Message 132 -
1994-05-24 at 08:20:28
SIGURDUR:
My Duck Family Tree is precisely the same as Barks' original
design as regards Gladstone's relation to $crooge (which is practically
none). In his private notes, that Family Tree that he did for his own
information and the one we see in the Barks Library from time to time,
was done some years after Barks' first decision about Gladstone's
lineage: in that version, Barks apparently wanted to make Gladstone into
an actual nephew of $crooge, and had $crooge's sister Matilda adopt GG
when his parents "died of over-eating at a free lunch picnic". In my
version, we decided there was no reason to forcefully introduce this
"death" business, so we left GG where he was, as the son of $crooge's
sister's sister-in-law, as Barks originally created him.
But anyway... what stories about $crooge's inheritance are you
referring to?
My Duck Family Tree is precisely the same as Barks' original
design as regards Gladstone's relation to $crooge (which is practically
none). In his private notes, that Family Tree that he did for his own
information and the one we see in the Barks Library from time to time,
was done some years after Barks' first decision about Gladstone's
lineage: in that version, Barks apparently wanted to make Gladstone into
an actual nephew of $crooge, and had $crooge's sister Matilda adopt GG
when his parents "died of over-eating at a free lunch picnic". In my
version, we decided there was no reason to forcefully introduce this
"death" business, so we left GG where he was, as the son of $crooge's
sister's sister-in-law, as Barks originally created him.
But anyway... what stories about $crooge's inheritance are you
referring to?
Harry Fluks
DD's life in an eggshell
Message 133 -
1994-05-24 at 11:10:07
Knut Hunstad wrote:
> I finally found my copy of the norwegian version of the 50-years story for
> DD: "My life in an eggshell".
FYI: This story is from Italy, drawn (and written, if I'm not mistaken) by
Marco Rota.
> [Donald's name]
> was invented by Grandma after $crooge saying the baby reminded him of his
> old friend from Alaska: Ronald (anyone heard of him before?).
In Holland, the old friend is a "Cowboy from California". The story was
originally published when Ronald Reagan was USA president.
> Later the story tells about his nephews. This part is more correct, saying
> they just stand knocking on his door one day. Except I thought the letter
> was from his sister, not his cousine (as this story tells).
Information from our ftp file 'huey-dewey-louie': HDL first appear in a
newspaper strip where Donald gets a letter from his _cousin_ Della. In the
cartoon, where they appeared shortly thereafter, the letter is from Donald's
_sister_ Dumbella. In neither case the letter states explicitly that the
writer is HDL's mother.
> The rest of the story consists mainly of stand-up-comedian-like frames where
> he tells about his many travels, employments etc. I didn't find many
> references to classic storys here!
The story is FULL of references to DD cartoons (WWII and others), Barks
stories and some stories my Rota himself. I haven't read the story for a
while, but I remember scenes with DD and a frog, DD bull fighting and DD
in the mountains (referring to the forest fire story in Vacation Parade #1).
> All in all this sums up to beeing a pitiful attempt to invent a "true" story
> about DD, totally disregarding most of what has been common knowledge for a
> long time.
Here I don't agree. There is no "common knowledge" disregarded, at least not
European knowledge. I only heard on this mailing list that Grandma is _not_
Scrooge's sister, and I'm sure everyone else in Holland (including the
Dutch editor) thinks she _is_.
Rota just didn't do his research as thoroughly as Rosa does.
And you must admit: the story is beautifully drawn.
--Harry.
Harry PTT Research ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
Fluks Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
> I finally found my copy of the norwegian version of the 50-years story for
> DD: "My life in an eggshell".
FYI: This story is from Italy, drawn (and written, if I'm not mistaken) by
Marco Rota.
> [Donald's name]
> was invented by Grandma after $crooge saying the baby reminded him of his
> old friend from Alaska: Ronald (anyone heard of him before?).
In Holland, the old friend is a "Cowboy from California". The story was
originally published when Ronald Reagan was USA president.
> Later the story tells about his nephews. This part is more correct, saying
> they just stand knocking on his door one day. Except I thought the letter
> was from his sister, not his cousine (as this story tells).
Information from our ftp file 'huey-dewey-louie': HDL first appear in a
newspaper strip where Donald gets a letter from his _cousin_ Della. In the
cartoon, where they appeared shortly thereafter, the letter is from Donald's
_sister_ Dumbella. In neither case the letter states explicitly that the
writer is HDL's mother.
> The rest of the story consists mainly of stand-up-comedian-like frames where
> he tells about his many travels, employments etc. I didn't find many
> references to classic storys here!
The story is FULL of references to DD cartoons (WWII and others), Barks
stories and some stories my Rota himself. I haven't read the story for a
while, but I remember scenes with DD and a frog, DD bull fighting and DD
in the mountains (referring to the forest fire story in Vacation Parade #1).
> All in all this sums up to beeing a pitiful attempt to invent a "true" story
> about DD, totally disregarding most of what has been common knowledge for a
> long time.
Here I don't agree. There is no "common knowledge" disregarded, at least not
European knowledge. I only heard on this mailing list that Grandma is _not_
Scrooge's sister, and I'm sure everyone else in Holland (including the
Dutch editor) thinks she _is_.
Rota just didn't do his research as thoroughly as Rosa does.
And you must admit: the story is beautifully drawn.
--Harry.
Harry PTT Research ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
Fluks Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
Mattias Hallin
HELP!(?)
Message 134 -
1994-05-25 at 16:39:08
I'm in trouble -- I can't git mah li'l ol' paws on a copy of U$A #27 (the GotLL
issue), 'cause mah dealer's got a wrong shipment from his distributor, and IS
trying to straighten things out, but maybe he can't -- and IF he can't, could
someone get me a copy, then? Agiainst reasonable renumeration, of course and
without saying!
Don't do someting rash just yet -- I'll yell again if and when neccessary!
All my best
Mattias
!==============================================================================!
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!* Trollebergsvagen 24 B ***** Work: Lund University, Box 117, S-221 00 Lund **!
!* S-222 29 Lund, SWEDEN **************************** Phone: +46 46-10 71 37 **!
!==============================================================================!
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issue), 'cause mah dealer's got a wrong shipment from his distributor, and IS
trying to straighten things out, but maybe he can't -- and IF he can't, could
someone get me a copy, then? Agiainst reasonable renumeration, of course and
without saying!
Don't do someting rash just yet -- I'll yell again if and when neccessary!
All my best
Mattias
!==============================================================================!
!* Mattias Hallin ** <Mattias.Hallin at Jurenh.lu.se> ** Phone: +46 46-14 84 43 **!
!* Trollebergsvagen 24 B ***** Work: Lund University, Box 117, S-221 00 Lund **!
!* S-222 29 Lund, SWEDEN **************************** Phone: +46 46-10 71 37 **!
!==============================================================================!
!********** "A flier! A frier! I must shave the women and children!" **********!
!==============================================================================!
Per Starback
Disney comics Database
Message 135 -
1994-05-26 at 00:35:35
I've just gotten a bunch of files from Harry which I have now put up
on ftp (pub/comics/disney at ftp.lysator.liu.se).
It's the first version of the Disney comics Database. That is, it's
not the "raw" input files, and not the programs that do stuff with
them, but the lists what those programs make out of it.
I called the new subdirectory for this stuff "index", as this is where
all index stuff will be in the future. I guess most of the index
files in the top Disney comics directory will go away in the future,
but I haven't deleted anything yet.
The files there are:
* LEGEND See this file for more detailed explanation.
* creators.dbl Abbreviations for the creators.
* heroes.dbl Abbreviations for the title characters.
* gl-*.dbl The Gladstone (and Disney Comics) index, listing the
contents of each book.
* w-cb.dbl Carl Barks reprint index. (Only stuff made for Western.)
* ar.dbl Reprint index of Gladstone stories ("Another Rainbow").
* d.dbl Reprint index of "Danish" stories.
* f.dbl Reprint index of French stories.
* h.dbl Reprint index of Dutch stories.
* i.dbl Reprint index of Italian stories.
* k.dbl Reprint index of Disney Comics stories.
* s.dbl Reprint index of Disney Studio stories.
* y*.dbl Reprint indexes of daily newspaper strips.
* z*.dbl Reprint indexes of newspaper Sunday pages.
* w-*.dbs Story files (without reprint information) of Western
stories (Dell/Gold Key)
(Thanks a lot for all your work, Harry! Just a short question...
What's all this copyright business at the beginning of some of the
output files? Surely all these programs and data are to be free?!)
And another ftp thing. I think I forgot to announce a new version of
the don-rosa.index from David when I put it there. His changes are
described as
> May 11, 1994 David: Updated info on covers, several corrections
> (especially reversal of cover data for WiC 6 and WiC
> 7), and new criteria for titled vs. untitled covers.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
on ftp (pub/comics/disney at ftp.lysator.liu.se).
It's the first version of the Disney comics Database. That is, it's
not the "raw" input files, and not the programs that do stuff with
them, but the lists what those programs make out of it.
I called the new subdirectory for this stuff "index", as this is where
all index stuff will be in the future. I guess most of the index
files in the top Disney comics directory will go away in the future,
but I haven't deleted anything yet.
The files there are:
* LEGEND See this file for more detailed explanation.
* creators.dbl Abbreviations for the creators.
* heroes.dbl Abbreviations for the title characters.
* gl-*.dbl The Gladstone (and Disney Comics) index, listing the
contents of each book.
* w-cb.dbl Carl Barks reprint index. (Only stuff made for Western.)
* ar.dbl Reprint index of Gladstone stories ("Another Rainbow").
* d.dbl Reprint index of "Danish" stories.
* f.dbl Reprint index of French stories.
* h.dbl Reprint index of Dutch stories.
* i.dbl Reprint index of Italian stories.
* k.dbl Reprint index of Disney Comics stories.
* s.dbl Reprint index of Disney Studio stories.
* y*.dbl Reprint indexes of daily newspaper strips.
* z*.dbl Reprint indexes of newspaper Sunday pages.
* w-*.dbs Story files (without reprint information) of Western
stories (Dell/Gold Key)
(Thanks a lot for all your work, Harry! Just a short question...
What's all this copyright business at the beginning of some of the
output files? Surely all these programs and data are to be free?!)
And another ftp thing. I think I forgot to announce a new version of
the don-rosa.index from David when I put it there. His changes are
described as
> May 11, 1994 David: Updated info on covers, several corrections
> (especially reversal of cover data for WiC 6 and WiC
> 7), and new criteria for titled vs. untitled covers.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"