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ANDREW:
Okay, I'll bite: tell us about the time you hunted down the only
US #219 in Melbourne... and why you were a Don Rosa fan BEFORE you ever
saw his work.

Don asked:
> My Lo$ stories are now the BACK-UP stories in [Dutch] DONALD DUCK
> EXTRA??? Well, howcum? You think they weren't so popular? Or... maybe
> they preferred having a Donald Duck cover than a character who was not
> recognizeable as either Donald or $crooge.

I don't know the reason for it. Maybe Thom Roep had something to say about
your artwork... 8-)

And about recognizability: on the Dutch cover of Lo$ 2 (the one you redrew
for Gladstone), they let the main character, Pothole, look a lot like
Scrooge.

> What's been the lead features?

A Van Horn story (D 91378) and some other Egmont story (D 90179, which I even
haven't read yet).
Lo$ parts 1, 2, and 4 *are* lead stories.

--Harry.

HIYA, GANG!

DEAR EV'R'BODY!!

Y'ALL!!!

From now on I'm afraid I'll have to switch myself to at least
semi-lurker mode -- I've had, not my access, but my permit to so USE my
Internet access somewhat restricted. In so many words: limited personal e-mail,
and limited use-of-computer-time for personal e-mail, and only after-hours.
This means that

a) I've changed my subscription to the digests, and

b) I'll probably collect those digests to take home and read and answer there,
at my leisure and so on -- and thus won't be very fast on the reply-draw any
more.

But -- don't worry (or should that be "do"???) -- I'll still be aroun', though
perhaps not so frequently as until now.

Y'all take care!

All my very best

Mattias

Oh, and yeah -- my ADDRESS is still good enough, so anyone who wants to e-mail
to me besides the list (for off-topic or other reasons) can still do so, of
course!

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Another thing I learnt at the NAFS(k) annual meeting that I forgot to
mention is that it seems like chapter 12 of Don's Life of Scrooge
series won't be published in Sweden. They've really messed it up
then, by printing just chapters 3--11!!

We have now a new insider on the list: Heidi Ace MacDonald, who is the
comics editor for Disney Adventure Digest. Welcome!
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"

Dear Folks,

A few months ago we were discussing _Miki_, the Egyptian
Disney weekly, which mostly featured D- and S-coded stories according
to whoever had it (I'm sorry, but I don't remember who this was).

Apparently in the early 1970s, Egypt made its own stories as
well. According to a book about Arab comics that's just reached my
school, 1972 saw "Mickey and Red Cat in an Adventure on Mars." Sounds
suspiciously like the first ITALIAN Disney story, although it takes a
completely unique stance:

MM leads a group of scientists (!) as well as "two children"
(presumably Morty and Ferdie) on a rocket trip to Mars.
Unfortunately, a villain named Red Cat and his band, disguised as
scientists themselves, come along on the journey. Once on Mars, our
heroes are captured by the Martians -- then the villains capture
everyone (defeating the Martians even though they possess a ray which
turns humans to animals).
The Martians, who own a time machine, brought ancient
Egyptians to Mars thousands of years before, and (!) they're still
there. Mickey enlists the ancient Egyptians to contact ancient Egypt
through some device in the time machine. The ancient Egyptians on the
other end fire rockets -- shaped like mummies -- at Mars, and the
mummies hit the palace, knocking out Red Cat and the other villains.
The Martians plan to keep the ancient Egyptians as prisoners
despite this victory, but Mickey persuades them to let them go back
home in the time machine. They also want to turn Red Cat and his band
into (non-humanized) cats with their ray, but Mickey also stops this.
With Red Cat as a prisoner, MM heads for home.

This sounds like a good candidate for the most completely
implausible Disney comic story ever produced anywhere on the planet.
Apparently it was characteristic in its use of ancient Egyptian
characters, who are correspondent in modern Egyptian folklore to,
perhaps, Paul Bunyan in ours.

From the description of the story (far more detailed than
mine) that was in this book, I'd guess that Red Cat = Peg-Leg Pete.

The book reprinted a crossword puzzle from the Egyptian MM
weekly. It suggests that the locally produced stories, if they're
drawn by the same guys as the puzzle, are or at least were VERY poorly
drawn. The crossword puzzle was, in fact, the poorest piece of
officially-licensed Disney art I have ever seen in my life.

There was also a reproduced cover. Weird. Showed MM
celebrating Ramadan by lighting off a sky-rocket, and it was drawn
firmly in a Depatie-Freleng "Pink Panther"-type cartoon style, with
the sole exception of Mickey's face -- a generic side view, albeit
with obvious pie-slices added to the pupils of his eyes.

A strange experience...

Yours,

David Gerstein
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>

Okay -- Per... or Mattias... if they knew at the NAFS(k) meeting
that chapter 12 of the Lo$ wouldn't be used, then the info came through
Stefan Dios, and he or someone could PLEASE TELL ME WHY NOT! I don't
believe I act very much like a prima donna... but for someone to take a
story that I spent 2 1/2 years of GREAT EFFORT and planning on, and not
use the beginning or ending... making the whole story absolutely
POINTLESS... how should I react to that?!?!?!? They can't be serious,
right? Chapter 11 had an ending that was VERY downbeat, so that chapter
12 could provide a gloriously HAPPY ENDING. Why should I take time out
from my work schedule in October/November to visit a publisher that
sabotages my work like this??? Somebody answer this for me!
Also -- does anyone on here get the Danish issues? I just
received #2000 with the last part of chapter 11 -- perhaps there is a
hint there to tell me if Denmark will also be omitting my story's
ending? At any rate, I'm getting on the FAX machine in just a moment to
contact the main office in Copenhagen to see what's going on. But also
in the Danish #2000 there is a history of ANDERS AND & CO telling all
the highlights of the contents since 1949; and it seems to finish by
devoting a full page to the first chapter of the Lo$ in 1992 -- what's
being said on that page???

David Gerstein writes about "Mickey and Red Cat in an Adventure on
Mars", a 1972 story from the Egyptian Disney weekly "Miki". This
story is a real humdinger:
> The Martians, who own a time machine, brought ancient
> Egyptians to Mars thousands of years before, and (!) they're still
> there. Mickey enlists the ancient Egyptians to contact ancient Egypt
> through some device in the time machine. The ancient Egyptians on the
> other end fire rockets -- shaped like mummies -- at Mars, and the
> mummies hit the palace, knocking out Red Cat and the other villains.
...
> This sounds like a good candidate for the most completely
> implausible Disney comic story ever produced anywhere on the planet.

Not only that, but it has a number of similarities to one of the story
arcs in the Dr. Who TV series, which featured (if I remember correctly;
ask the rec.arts.drwho newsgroup if you want the real details!) an
invasion of present-day earth from Mars by the Egyptian god Anubis
using a time machine. However, these episodes of Dr. Who would have
been filmed years after the publication of the Egytian comic (if that
indeed was in 1972), so the writer couldn't have borrowed the idea
from the BBC. And I seriously doubt that the BBC borrowed the idea
from the Egyptian comic book, so this whole weird concept must have
occurred to 2 people independently...

Wilmer Rivers

Thank you David and Don for your answers about the second appearance of
April, May and June. I asked that question looong ago, I think even before
you both were on the list.

If I summarize it, AM&J's chronology looks like this:

1. 1953 Barks' Flipism story, WDC 149 (not named yet)

2. 1959 Daisy Duck's Diary 1055, "The Double Date" (shown in the last panel,
not named yet)

3. 1960 Daisy Duck's Diary 1150, "A Sticky Situation" (playing a bigger role
in the story. They have names here according to Don)
(AM&J also appear in a 1-page gag "Small Fryers")

4. 1960 Dell Giant #33 (Daisy D. and U$ Showtime). If this comic was
published after DDD 1150, the Price Guide is wrong about it
being the first (named) appearance of AM&J.

5. .... Some non-Barks comics?

6. 1966 Barks' "Daisy and Donald" story in WDC 308.

AM&J have at least been the backup-stories in the Ludwig Von Drake comic.
Was this before or after WDC 308?

David quoted Crone's index for the Dell Giant comic. Only two stories are
candidate to feature AM&J:

W Gia 33 01 16 DA+US TS PICNIC TIME KA 613102
W Gia 33 08 8 DA+US AH HAVE PENCIL,WILL TRAVEL KA 613503

I have the Dutch version of the first one (If I'm not mistaken) and it
contains no AM&J. Can someone tell us more about the 'pencil' story?
I can't find it in Holland, and it has apparently been published in
Scandinavia in 1961.

--Harry.