Dear Folks,
Gilbert said:
"One thing that I forgot to ask in my first post was why
and when did Disney adopt these standard page layouts? Likewise,
why did Egmont and GP adopt these?"
The very first Disney newsstand comics came from newspaper
strips, and at first they were 68-page chunks with approximately three
daily strips printed per page, rearranged to make four three-panel
rows. This was the industry standard in the mid-'30s for reprint
comics. I believe that WDC&S is this way through about #8.
But in the early '40s comics were beginning to explode with
original material throughout the industry, not just reprints of
newspaper strips (which had filled many companies' early comic
books... I'm not talking about Disney strips only). Because it would
have been near impossible to draw such tiny panels -- and because the
format was itself kinda cramped -- most comics seemed to go with
6-panel pages with their early original stories. To match them, Dell
began reprinting daily MM strips in exactly such pages (although it
left the Sunday strips and Donald dailies in the more cramped format, and
would continue to do so). Then when Dell started making their own
stories -- the first being some by Ken Hultgren, followed by the first
Barks ones -- they used the industry standard, 6-panel pages.
Then came World War II. Actually, it had started in 1941, but
it was in 1944 that paper shortages got really tough. The comics were
forced to go from 68 to 52 pages (incl. covers). So that they could
keep the same amount of total STORY in them, though, Dell (although not
all companies) moved to 8-panel pages... they were in such a rush to
do it that they even reformatted some stories that had been drawn in
6-panel format, to fit the new style (Barks' "Kite Weather" was one
example, and Gottfredson's "Land of Long Ago" went from 6-panel pages
to 8-panel ones partway through its serialization).
In 1945 there was another such shortage, and the comics VERY
briefly went down to 36 pages. Very briefly, you see the comics going
into 12-panel pages (4 rows of 3 panels, not 2). This time, most
artists were ahead of the game, but some 8-panel page stories got
reformatted nonetheless (including a Barks Barney Bear story in OUR
GANG). This stopped, though, and they went back to 52 8-panel pages
as the war ended.
In the 1950s Dell went down from 52 to 36 pages for good, and
then when they couldn't cut pages any longer, they began adding ads.
This time, they stayed with 8-panel pages, even though this meant you
got less total "story" in the issues.
At this time, 6-panel pages were being done overseas for the
Italian pocketbook weekly, TOPOLINO. Because their comics were
smaller, the Italians felt that they'd use 6-panel pages to make sure
the pictures could be easily discerned even when dense and detailed.
This continues to this day. Whitman used 6-panel pages when they made
Digests in the 1970s... they even reformatted 8-panel stories,
including many Barks ones, into 6-panel, although they seemingly did
it at random (many stories were also used with the original layout).
Interestingly, the first two times Gladstone used Italian 6-panel
stories, they reformatted them into 8-panel stories so that they
wouldn't be so long, but they stopped doing it after that.
And Disney uses 6-panel pages for the comics in Disney
Adventures, continuing the old tradition. It's a matter of using the
size that permits the panels to be clearly enjoyed in whatever size
the comic is printed in.
When Gottfredson stories are reprinted now, the format varies.
That's because sometimes we're actually seeing reprints as prepared
for old WDC&S, with 8-panel pages ("The Lectro Box"), or reprints of
the original strips -- sideways with three four-panel rows, or new
reprints made after the style of early WDC&S (in which the strips are
rearranged into 6 or 8-panel pages a la Dell, but it's Gladstone doing
the rearranging -- i. e. "Monarch of Medioka").
I hope this explains it.... >gasp!< ;-)
David Gerstein
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
"I'm the Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way free semple!"
Author
Topic: 199405
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David A Gerstein
Comic page layouts
Message 76 -
1994-05-10 at 03:35:50
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #324.
Message 77 -
1994-05-10 at 07:22:37
HARRY:
I'm rather puzzled by Michael Nadrop being upset that I swiped
his idea for a cover for my Lo$. Why shouldn't I be upset that he swiped
one of my stories as a topic for his cover? For pity's sake, why
shouldn't I be absolutely enraged that they're even using my Lo$ in
Holland without paying me a red cent? If he doesn't like his work
immediately becoming the property of anyone else working on a Disney
comic anywhere in the world, he'd better get another job. Perhaps they
should have credited him with the cover idea on the Gladstone credits
page? Perhaps the Dutch issues that use my work for free could give me a
single line of credit for the hundreds of my pages they use? Perhaps
there's nothing very fair in working on Disney comics, except to Disney.
This is why I was a bit puzzled by Barks' growing hatred of me for doing
sequels to his old tales -- I would never have suspected that anyone
doing Disney comics would think they had any further private claim on
material they freely signed over completely to Disney ownership. It was
simply a reaction I just never expected for a moment.
Your comment about the coloring in Gladstone's GotLL... I'm not
sure I understand what you said about the scene when they see the cover
of the ancient "Woodchuck Manual" in the glass case. I redrew that
panel just for Gladstone to SHOW the emblem on the cover as I'd always
intended that scene to show. Of course, you realize that's NOT the
Woodchuck emblem, right? That;s why the cover had to be detached -- it's
sitting upside down in the case... that's the Guardian symbol, not the
Woodcheck emblem.
As for the poor ending. There almost always has to be a final,
closing gag, even if it's dreadfully weak. I worried that I was making a
dreadful mistake in the few of my stories wherein I dared to end the
tale WITHOUT that corny closing gag motif, as in my "Last Sled to
Dawson" and several of the Lo$, particularly #8 & 11. In GotLL, the
ending gag was the last bit I forced myself to come up with. The idea of
the scrolls being overdue at the Library by 2000 years I think is
sufficiently silly to be okay, but you didn't think the nephews should
have been so happy with $crooge? Maybe not... they were just trying to
make him feel better? But you saw that I needed them to be making lots
of NOISE for the FINAL final gag with DD complaining he was missing his
TV show.
I'm rather puzzled by Michael Nadrop being upset that I swiped
his idea for a cover for my Lo$. Why shouldn't I be upset that he swiped
one of my stories as a topic for his cover? For pity's sake, why
shouldn't I be absolutely enraged that they're even using my Lo$ in
Holland without paying me a red cent? If he doesn't like his work
immediately becoming the property of anyone else working on a Disney
comic anywhere in the world, he'd better get another job. Perhaps they
should have credited him with the cover idea on the Gladstone credits
page? Perhaps the Dutch issues that use my work for free could give me a
single line of credit for the hundreds of my pages they use? Perhaps
there's nothing very fair in working on Disney comics, except to Disney.
This is why I was a bit puzzled by Barks' growing hatred of me for doing
sequels to his old tales -- I would never have suspected that anyone
doing Disney comics would think they had any further private claim on
material they freely signed over completely to Disney ownership. It was
simply a reaction I just never expected for a moment.
Your comment about the coloring in Gladstone's GotLL... I'm not
sure I understand what you said about the scene when they see the cover
of the ancient "Woodchuck Manual" in the glass case. I redrew that
panel just for Gladstone to SHOW the emblem on the cover as I'd always
intended that scene to show. Of course, you realize that's NOT the
Woodchuck emblem, right? That;s why the cover had to be detached -- it's
sitting upside down in the case... that's the Guardian symbol, not the
Woodcheck emblem.
As for the poor ending. There almost always has to be a final,
closing gag, even if it's dreadfully weak. I worried that I was making a
dreadful mistake in the few of my stories wherein I dared to end the
tale WITHOUT that corny closing gag motif, as in my "Last Sled to
Dawson" and several of the Lo$, particularly #8 & 11. In GotLL, the
ending gag was the last bit I forced myself to come up with. The idea of
the scrolls being overdue at the Library by 2000 years I think is
sufficiently silly to be okay, but you didn't think the nephews should
have been so happy with $crooge? Maybe not... they were just trying to
make him feel better? But you saw that I needed them to be making lots
of NOISE for the FINAL final gag with DD complaining he was missing his
TV show.
Harry Fluks
Rosa about Nadorp
Message 78 -
1994-05-10 at 11:02:00
Don:
> I'm rather puzzled by Michael Nadrop
Michel Nadorp actually 8-)
> being upset that I swiped his idea for a cover for my Lo$.
> [...] Perhaps they
> should have credited him with the cover idea on the Gladstone credits
> page?
Yes, that's his point. Michel rather had NO credits than the WRONG credits.
> Perhaps the Dutch issues that use my work for free could give me a
> single line of credit for the hundreds of my pages they use?
Yes of course they should! But they won't, as long as noone forces them...
(But they don't say it's all Disney's work either.)
> Your comment about the coloring in Gladstone's GotLL... [...]
> Of course, you realize that's NOT the Woodchuck emblem, right?
NO, I didn't! My only excuse is that I *read* the story only once (yet).
But still, looking at the panel only, it is strange that the nephew says
he can hardly see the emblem, while the reader can see it clearly (thinking
it's the WJW symbol).
--Harry.
> I'm rather puzzled by Michael Nadrop
Michel Nadorp actually 8-)
> being upset that I swiped his idea for a cover for my Lo$.
> [...] Perhaps they
> should have credited him with the cover idea on the Gladstone credits
> page?
Yes, that's his point. Michel rather had NO credits than the WRONG credits.
> Perhaps the Dutch issues that use my work for free could give me a
> single line of credit for the hundreds of my pages they use?
Yes of course they should! But they won't, as long as noone forces them...
(But they don't say it's all Disney's work either.)
> Your comment about the coloring in Gladstone's GotLL... [...]
> Of course, you realize that's NOT the Woodchuck emblem, right?
NO, I didn't! My only excuse is that I *read* the story only once (yet).
But still, looking at the panel only, it is strange that the nephew says
he can hardly see the emblem, while the reader can see it clearly (thinking
it's the WJW symbol).
--Harry.
Lasse Reichstein Nielsen
From RoC
Message 79 -
1994-05-10 at 11:05:14
Re: Disney-comics digest #316-21
LO$ TALK
========
William:
> So, is there any chance that maybe, someone on the other side
>of the ocean, who is getting their sets of the (what is it part 11?)
>series, could possibly set aside a few extra copies they could make
>available to folk like me in case we can't get them here when it
>comes time? I'd be glad to trade or otherwise recompense for the
>trouble. I'd like to have to full set eventually, even if it's
>not all in English/American.
I can get second hand copies of all Danish Rosa stories practically
for free, all you impatient ones, but will you need them?
Per:
>Another thing I learnt at the NAFS(k) annual meeting that I forgot to
>mention is that it seems like chapter 12 of Don's Life of Scrooge
>series won't be published in Sweden. They've really messed it up
>then, by printing just chapters 3--11!!
Don:
> Okay -- Per... or Mattias... if they knew at the NAFS(k) meeting
>that chapter 12 of the Lo$ wouldn't be used, then the info came through
>Stefan Dios, and he or someone could PLEASE TELL ME WHY NOT!
I get 4 Egmont issues a week (groan) and they have all ended part 11
with a caption like "Not the End [Yet]". I doubt it seriously that no
more chapters will appear. If it happens to be as a supplementary issue
(not likely for a 15 pager) Swedes and Fins may miss out, like with
chapter 1 and 2.
Did I mention that Egmont uses your title for the final chapter 12,
"The Richest Duck in the World", for chapter 11. The plot thickens.
> Also -- does anyone on here get the Danish issues? I just
>received #2000 with the last part of chapter 11 -- perhaps there is a
>hint there to tell me if Denmark will also be omitting my story's
>ending? At any rate, I'm getting on the FAX machine in just a moment to
>contact the main office in Copenhagen to see what's going on. But also
>in the Danish #2000 there is a history of ANDERS AND & CO telling all
>the highlights of the contents since 1949; and it seems to finish by
>devoting a full page to the first chapter of the Lo$ in 1992 -- what's
>being said on that page???
You are named as a skilled artist and writer, and the only one except
Barks who recieves mention.
Have you been thinking about doing scripts for other artists? As David
can tell, it's the next best thing to free money. And while there are
many good artists, good stories are as rare as dirt on a golden moon.
>RoC:
> I would gladly give more than simply a set of those stupid
>CAPTAIN KENTUCKY magazines for those Whitman comics you have for me!
>Besides, where are you... Europe somewhere?
I'm Danish, and you can be Chicken.
>I hope you'll send those by airmail otherwise they'll take MONTHS to
>get here. I'll, of course, pay that postage.
My experiences with local B-class surface mail indicate that the
delivery time increases with up to the square of the distance.
Finnish AA taking well up to two weeks.
>The Whitmans are quite difficult to find... and I even
>thought that UNCLE $CROOGE #179 was particularly rare... but maybe not,
>if you found one all the way over in... Europe somewhere?
It's just the Lemmings story. Maybe the Norwegian donaldists bought
more than their far share back in the 70's? However everything in it has
been reprinted better by Disney Comics, and a complete run of U$ is out
of my league. I'll try for a complete Captain K instead!
*Heidi Ace MacDonald.
I hope an unsubscribe message will not be your only contribution.
Us 3-letter-joke-names got to stick together! Welcome aboard, Ace!
Helge:
>[...] a reprint of a Mickey Mouse continuation
>story from WDC375 with a pirate plot set in the 17.-18. century with
>Mickey, Minnie, Goofy and Pete. I have always (well, for almost 20
>years) thought that that story and the other Mickey continuation
>stories by the same artist were by Paul Murry, but the editor's column
>says it's by Floyd Gottfredson!
>
>Can anyone give a definitive answer?
Yes, you are right, and they are wrong; it's Murry.
Norwegian DD also credited "An education for Thursday" to FG, though
it was Bill Wright's version for the One Shot magazine (or was that
Murry too, as some sources say?) Apparently noone in Scandinavia
remembers who FG really is, though word is out that he's good.
Harry:
>>Keep your eyes open for Squinch and Shyster, because they're going
>>to be coming your way by the end of this year.
>But they alreay ARE... I have seen at least one Egmont story featuring Squinch,
>drawn by... Ferioli.
<BING> Darn, if I can remember what a Squinch is, but...
Tell me, Harry, does it have a code?
Does anybody here play Magic: the Gathering(TM)?
I have a Library of Alexandria card that allows you to draw more cards.
It has been named "The Junior Woodchucks' Guide" (Gr"onsp"attebogen)
Unknown writer: "You mean you don't want any more BORING Mickey stories?"
<oLe 'RoC' Reichstein Nielsen, c/o Lasse 'Spot' R.N. (lrn at daimi.aau.dk)>
LO$ TALK
========
William:
> So, is there any chance that maybe, someone on the other side
>of the ocean, who is getting their sets of the (what is it part 11?)
>series, could possibly set aside a few extra copies they could make
>available to folk like me in case we can't get them here when it
>comes time? I'd be glad to trade or otherwise recompense for the
>trouble. I'd like to have to full set eventually, even if it's
>not all in English/American.
I can get second hand copies of all Danish Rosa stories practically
for free, all you impatient ones, but will you need them?
Per:
>Another thing I learnt at the NAFS(k) annual meeting that I forgot to
>mention is that it seems like chapter 12 of Don's Life of Scrooge
>series won't be published in Sweden. They've really messed it up
>then, by printing just chapters 3--11!!
Don:
> Okay -- Per... or Mattias... if they knew at the NAFS(k) meeting
>that chapter 12 of the Lo$ wouldn't be used, then the info came through
>Stefan Dios, and he or someone could PLEASE TELL ME WHY NOT!
I get 4 Egmont issues a week (groan) and they have all ended part 11
with a caption like "Not the End [Yet]". I doubt it seriously that no
more chapters will appear. If it happens to be as a supplementary issue
(not likely for a 15 pager) Swedes and Fins may miss out, like with
chapter 1 and 2.
Did I mention that Egmont uses your title for the final chapter 12,
"The Richest Duck in the World", for chapter 11. The plot thickens.
> Also -- does anyone on here get the Danish issues? I just
>received #2000 with the last part of chapter 11 -- perhaps there is a
>hint there to tell me if Denmark will also be omitting my story's
>ending? At any rate, I'm getting on the FAX machine in just a moment to
>contact the main office in Copenhagen to see what's going on. But also
>in the Danish #2000 there is a history of ANDERS AND & CO telling all
>the highlights of the contents since 1949; and it seems to finish by
>devoting a full page to the first chapter of the Lo$ in 1992 -- what's
>being said on that page???
You are named as a skilled artist and writer, and the only one except
Barks who recieves mention.
Have you been thinking about doing scripts for other artists? As David
can tell, it's the next best thing to free money. And while there are
many good artists, good stories are as rare as dirt on a golden moon.
>RoC:
> I would gladly give more than simply a set of those stupid
>CAPTAIN KENTUCKY magazines for those Whitman comics you have for me!
>Besides, where are you... Europe somewhere?
I'm Danish, and you can be Chicken.
>I hope you'll send those by airmail otherwise they'll take MONTHS to
>get here. I'll, of course, pay that postage.
My experiences with local B-class surface mail indicate that the
delivery time increases with up to the square of the distance.
Finnish AA taking well up to two weeks.
>The Whitmans are quite difficult to find... and I even
>thought that UNCLE $CROOGE #179 was particularly rare... but maybe not,
>if you found one all the way over in... Europe somewhere?
It's just the Lemmings story. Maybe the Norwegian donaldists bought
more than their far share back in the 70's? However everything in it has
been reprinted better by Disney Comics, and a complete run of U$ is out
of my league. I'll try for a complete Captain K instead!
*Heidi Ace MacDonald.
I hope an unsubscribe message will not be your only contribution.
Us 3-letter-joke-names got to stick together! Welcome aboard, Ace!
Helge:
>[...] a reprint of a Mickey Mouse continuation
>story from WDC375 with a pirate plot set in the 17.-18. century with
>Mickey, Minnie, Goofy and Pete. I have always (well, for almost 20
>years) thought that that story and the other Mickey continuation
>stories by the same artist were by Paul Murry, but the editor's column
>says it's by Floyd Gottfredson!
>
>Can anyone give a definitive answer?
Yes, you are right, and they are wrong; it's Murry.
Norwegian DD also credited "An education for Thursday" to FG, though
it was Bill Wright's version for the One Shot magazine (or was that
Murry too, as some sources say?) Apparently noone in Scandinavia
remembers who FG really is, though word is out that he's good.
Harry:
>>Keep your eyes open for Squinch and Shyster, because they're going
>>to be coming your way by the end of this year.
>But they alreay ARE... I have seen at least one Egmont story featuring Squinch,
>drawn by... Ferioli.
<BING> Darn, if I can remember what a Squinch is, but...
Tell me, Harry, does it have a code?
Does anybody here play Magic: the Gathering(TM)?
I have a Library of Alexandria card that allows you to draw more cards.
It has been named "The Junior Woodchucks' Guide" (Gr"onsp"attebogen)
Unknown writer: "You mean you don't want any more BORING Mickey stories?"
<oLe 'RoC' Reichstein Nielsen, c/o Lasse 'Spot' R.N. (lrn at daimi.aau.dk)>
Gilbert Roser
Hello amigos
Message 80 -
1994-05-10 at 12:22:28
Date: Mon, 9 May 94 18:47:59 BSC
From: "Elon V. Brisola" <elon at VNET.IBM.COM>
DAVID: (Fethry as a superhero)
I don't know who Darkwing Duck is. I've seen only Rescue Rangers and some
Donald Duck on TV, lately. But that doesn't sound like what I was talking
about. Anyway, this hero Fethry thing is from the '70es.
I remember a story in which Fethry helps Donald to prevent his secret being
"Paperinik" as he disguises himself as "Paperinik" and shows himself along
with Donald.
Is it that what You meant?
--Gilbert
From: "Elon V. Brisola" <elon at VNET.IBM.COM>
DAVID: (Fethry as a superhero)
I don't know who Darkwing Duck is. I've seen only Rescue Rangers and some
Donald Duck on TV, lately. But that doesn't sound like what I was talking
about. Anyway, this hero Fethry thing is from the '70es.
I remember a story in which Fethry helps Donald to prevent his secret being
"Paperinik" as he disguises himself as "Paperinik" and shows himself along
with Donald.
Is it that what You meant?
--Gilbert
Gilbert Roser
Hello amigos
Message 81 -
1994-05-10 at 12:22:28
Date: Mon, 9 May 94 18:47:59 BSC
From: "Elon V. Brisola" <elon at VNET.IBM.COM>
DAVID: (Fethry as a superhero)
I don't know who Darkwing Duck is. I've seen only Rescue Rangers and some
Donald Duck on TV, lately. But that doesn't sound like what I was talking
about. Anyway, this hero Fethry thing is from the '70es.
I remember a story in which Fethry helps Donald to prevent his secret being
"Paperinik" as he disguises himself as "Paperinik" and shows himself along
with Donald.
Is it that what You meant?
--Gilbert
From: "Elon V. Brisola" <elon at VNET.IBM.COM>
DAVID: (Fethry as a superhero)
I don't know who Darkwing Duck is. I've seen only Rescue Rangers and some
Donald Duck on TV, lately. But that doesn't sound like what I was talking
about. Anyway, this hero Fethry thing is from the '70es.
I remember a story in which Fethry helps Donald to prevent his secret being
"Paperinik" as he disguises himself as "Paperinik" and shows himself along
with Donald.
Is it that what You meant?
--Gilbert
Mikko Henri Juhani Aittola
Disney-comics digest #324.
Message 82 -
1994-05-10 at 14:33:21
David wrote:
> Are the comics of Norway, Sweden, and Finland all made by
> divisions of Egmont? And for the most part, are they almost the same
> between one another from week to week with the exception of covers?
Aku Ankka and all related titles are published in Finland by
Helsinki-Media (former Sanoma Oy). H-M is really big company.
It publishes the best selling Finnish daily paper called
Helsingin Sanomat and biggest 'yellow-paper' Ilta Sanomat.
In these they print old Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck strips and
'sundays'. It also publishes Finlands largest weekly
magazine called (surprise!) Aku Ankka. They also publish
pocket-size Uncle $crooge (Roope-Set{) (100 pages - mostly Italian
stories) monthly and Aku Ankka's pocket-book (over 250 pages - Italian
stories) about monthly. They have also published 'Best of Donald
Duck' album series for YEARS. All stories are by Barks. It's
quite similar to Gladstone's Carl Bark's Library in Color,
altough the price much lower. Also are available many
hardcovers. The most recent is reprint of Aku Ankkas
from 1951-1952 which includes also Barks' interview made
last year.
I think Helsinki-Media has nothing to do with Egmont.
They have propably just bought rights to Egmont-stories
and to all other Disney-stuff.
Aku Ankka is quite similar to Swedish Kalle Anka. I think
usually they are identical, but sometimes they publish
something different. Aku Ankka is 32-36 page long
(including covers). The stories are mostly D-stories
with sometimes a H-story. Only AR-stories they have
printed are by Rosa or WVH. They also reprint old
stories by Barks and Murry for example.
I have read Aku Ankka from the end of the 1980. I know
that 1981 Aku Ankka's are peprints of 1980 Kalle Anka's.
With at least one exeption: Back to the Klondyke which
they decided to reprint here in 1981.
Barks-Rosa:
In Barks interview, printed in Aku Ankka last year, they asked Barks
what he thinked about current disney writers/artists. He replied
that he is only familiar with Don Rosa's and Van Horn's work. He
said that he likes both (he's being polite here) but the Van Horn's
style is closer to his own. He also said that Rosa's artwork is much
more detailed, sometimes even too detailed.
I think Barks has right of some degree to be upset at Rosa. I think
I would be too if somebody would start to make sequels to MY
stories. BTW, I didn't like Return to Plain Awful that much either.
However, if somebody would show Barks what OTHER people are doing
to ducks maybe he would start to respect Rosa more.
Anyway, I like Rosa's stories very much. The Guardians of the Lost
Library is one of the best duck-stories, and one of the best comic-
stories I have ever read.
After 'War Of the Wendigo' was published in Finland our publisher
received more 'thank-you-mail' than ever before. There are lots
of Rosa fans in Finland. That doesn't show in sales because
most of the readers are subscribers. (That way people gets
comics cheaper and publisher makes more profit. Also by
subscription people in Finland often gets books BEFORE they hit the
newstands.)
/Mikko
> Are the comics of Norway, Sweden, and Finland all made by
> divisions of Egmont? And for the most part, are they almost the same
> between one another from week to week with the exception of covers?
Aku Ankka and all related titles are published in Finland by
Helsinki-Media (former Sanoma Oy). H-M is really big company.
It publishes the best selling Finnish daily paper called
Helsingin Sanomat and biggest 'yellow-paper' Ilta Sanomat.
In these they print old Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck strips and
'sundays'. It also publishes Finlands largest weekly
magazine called (surprise!) Aku Ankka. They also publish
pocket-size Uncle $crooge (Roope-Set{) (100 pages - mostly Italian
stories) monthly and Aku Ankka's pocket-book (over 250 pages - Italian
stories) about monthly. They have also published 'Best of Donald
Duck' album series for YEARS. All stories are by Barks. It's
quite similar to Gladstone's Carl Bark's Library in Color,
altough the price much lower. Also are available many
hardcovers. The most recent is reprint of Aku Ankkas
from 1951-1952 which includes also Barks' interview made
last year.
I think Helsinki-Media has nothing to do with Egmont.
They have propably just bought rights to Egmont-stories
and to all other Disney-stuff.
Aku Ankka is quite similar to Swedish Kalle Anka. I think
usually they are identical, but sometimes they publish
something different. Aku Ankka is 32-36 page long
(including covers). The stories are mostly D-stories
with sometimes a H-story. Only AR-stories they have
printed are by Rosa or WVH. They also reprint old
stories by Barks and Murry for example.
I have read Aku Ankka from the end of the 1980. I know
that 1981 Aku Ankka's are peprints of 1980 Kalle Anka's.
With at least one exeption: Back to the Klondyke which
they decided to reprint here in 1981.
Barks-Rosa:
In Barks interview, printed in Aku Ankka last year, they asked Barks
what he thinked about current disney writers/artists. He replied
that he is only familiar with Don Rosa's and Van Horn's work. He
said that he likes both (he's being polite here) but the Van Horn's
style is closer to his own. He also said that Rosa's artwork is much
more detailed, sometimes even too detailed.
I think Barks has right of some degree to be upset at Rosa. I think
I would be too if somebody would start to make sequels to MY
stories. BTW, I didn't like Return to Plain Awful that much either.
However, if somebody would show Barks what OTHER people are doing
to ducks maybe he would start to respect Rosa more.
Anyway, I like Rosa's stories very much. The Guardians of the Lost
Library is one of the best duck-stories, and one of the best comic-
stories I have ever read.
After 'War Of the Wendigo' was published in Finland our publisher
received more 'thank-you-mail' than ever before. There are lots
of Rosa fans in Finland. That doesn't show in sales because
most of the readers are subscribers. (That way people gets
comics cheaper and publisher makes more profit. Also by
subscription people in Finland often gets books BEFORE they hit the
newstands.)
/Mikko
Harry Fluks
The return of Eli Squinch
Message 83 -
1994-05-10 at 14:57:41
David:
> Keep your eyes open for Squinch and Shyster, because they're going
> to be coming your way by the end of this year.
I said:
> But they alreay ARE... I have seen at least one Egmont story featuring
> Squinch, drawn by... Ferioli.
And David and Ole asked for more information about it. I don't have the story
nearby, but from my own version of the Dutch index (not on ftp yet, I think):
The story is coded D 91420. Its title can be translated as "Shark Reef".
It's 16 pages (2 episodes of 8 pages). Dutch publication: Groot Winterboek
1993.
The Dutch named Eli Squinch "Udo J. Uitzuiger", while his name in the old
MM stories was "Eli Gluip". Apparently, they didn't recognise him. But I'm
sure it's Squinch.
I also checked Ole's Danish index, and he doesn't credit the story ("Hajrevets
Hemmelighed") to Ferioli. This probably means I still can't recognise
Ferioli's work good enough...?
--Harry.
> Keep your eyes open for Squinch and Shyster, because they're going
> to be coming your way by the end of this year.
I said:
> But they alreay ARE... I have seen at least one Egmont story featuring
> Squinch, drawn by... Ferioli.
And David and Ole asked for more information about it. I don't have the story
nearby, but from my own version of the Dutch index (not on ftp yet, I think):
The story is coded D 91420. Its title can be translated as "Shark Reef".
It's 16 pages (2 episodes of 8 pages). Dutch publication: Groot Winterboek
1993.
The Dutch named Eli Squinch "Udo J. Uitzuiger", while his name in the old
MM stories was "Eli Gluip". Apparently, they didn't recognise him. But I'm
sure it's Squinch.
I also checked Ole's Danish index, and he doesn't credit the story ("Hajrevets
Hemmelighed") to Ferioli. This probably means I still can't recognise
Ferioli's work good enough...?
--Harry.
Per Starback
Looking through ooold marked messages
Message 84 -
1994-05-10 at 16:51:41
FTP suggestions
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Aeons ago Torsten suggested that the big Gladstone (and Disney) index
at the ftp site should be split up in several files, as it's a bit
uncomfortable to handle at the size it's in now. (Takes too much time
to transfer the whole of it if you just want to look up a particular
book.)
I thought that was a good idea, but then I forgot everything about it.
Noone can accuse me of being fast, but now at last I've made such a
move, and divided the "gladstone-disney.index" file into "wdc.index",
"us.index", etc. in a new directory "gladstone-index". (Well, really
the index is on Disney Comics comics as well, but I couldn't think of
a better name...)
Does anyone like one big file better? I haven't deleted it yet.
Back in Time for a Dime!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yes, Harry, when you mention it I recognize that we discussed that DTM
code before. I think it an irritating hole in the Rosa index that we
don't know the code of this story. Is there noone here who has this
book? Surely Don has it, at least...
H 90164 Donald Duck "Held 2000"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So whatabout that FLUX soap? Did you get Mau Heymans to include it as
a reference to you, Harry?
On FAQs and such
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
RoC wrote:
> Next to this we could have an encyclopedia, with entries being added as
> we go, about all the creators, abbreviations, publishers, book titles,
> famous stories, and named objects, characters, and events in Duckburg.
> Anyone could join with their favorite subjects, and it would just have
> to be alphabetized. Easy job up for grabs...
I just want to add that it's already possible to do exactly that.
Send me a text on the money bin, Mickey stories from France, Phil
DeLara or whatever, and I'll put it on the ftp server.
And at last thanks to Wilmer Rivers for his post on Penny Wise. It
all makes sense now!
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Aeons ago Torsten suggested that the big Gladstone (and Disney) index
at the ftp site should be split up in several files, as it's a bit
uncomfortable to handle at the size it's in now. (Takes too much time
to transfer the whole of it if you just want to look up a particular
book.)
I thought that was a good idea, but then I forgot everything about it.
Noone can accuse me of being fast, but now at last I've made such a
move, and divided the "gladstone-disney.index" file into "wdc.index",
"us.index", etc. in a new directory "gladstone-index". (Well, really
the index is on Disney Comics comics as well, but I couldn't think of
a better name...)
Does anyone like one big file better? I haven't deleted it yet.
Back in Time for a Dime!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yes, Harry, when you mention it I recognize that we discussed that DTM
code before. I think it an irritating hole in the Rosa index that we
don't know the code of this story. Is there noone here who has this
book? Surely Don has it, at least...
H 90164 Donald Duck "Held 2000"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So whatabout that FLUX soap? Did you get Mau Heymans to include it as
a reference to you, Harry?
On FAQs and such
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
RoC wrote:
> Next to this we could have an encyclopedia, with entries being added as
> we go, about all the creators, abbreviations, publishers, book titles,
> famous stories, and named objects, characters, and events in Duckburg.
> Anyone could join with their favorite subjects, and it would just have
> to be alphabetized. Easy job up for grabs...
I just want to add that it's already possible to do exactly that.
Send me a text on the money bin, Mickey stories from France, Phil
DeLara or whatever, and I'll put it on the ftp server.
And at last thanks to Wilmer Rivers for his post on Penny Wise. It
all makes sense now!
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
John Jacob Jingleheimer Elmo
Disney-comics digest #324.
Message 85 -
1994-05-10 at 19:20:52
David A Gerstein <David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu> writes:
> Greg Elmo
"Elmo" is a handle; Greg's my real-world-name. Just FYI.
> said that Gladstone was such a "marginal" company
>that he was glad to have ANY regular Duck comics.
> Actually, Gladstone is doing pretty well right now from what
>I've been told.
Doing well relative to Gladstone history, perhaps. Doing well? Not at all.
"Well" is reaching more than two hundredths of a percent of the population.
Dell used to pull a percent or more. The "Disney Afternoon" shows reach
a percent.
>By "marginal" did you mean that they were barely
>making a name for themselves, Greg?
Yep. Awareness of Gladstones is almost nil. Even in the full service
comic stores near me which sell twenty or more copies of Bone, Gladstones
are ordered in the low single digits and sell out within a week--and orders
*never* go up. Thank the deity I use a subscription service or I'd never
see all the issues.
If Gladstone is to become large enough to resist Disney corporate stupidity,
it's going to have to get aggressive: Direct mail inquiries to store owners,
telling them to order more *because Gladstones sell out*; subscription
ads in Disney Adventure Digest (1e6 copies a month!); pressure on Marvel
to get the Gladstones in point-of-purchase displays, etc. The market
exists; it just doesn't know the Gladstones do.
greg
--
"It is useless for sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism
while wolves remain of a different opinion."
--William Ralph Inge D.D.
elmo (morrow at physics.rice.edu,morrow at fnal.fnal.gov)
> Greg Elmo
"Elmo" is a handle; Greg's my real-world-name. Just FYI.
> said that Gladstone was such a "marginal" company
>that he was glad to have ANY regular Duck comics.
> Actually, Gladstone is doing pretty well right now from what
>I've been told.
Doing well relative to Gladstone history, perhaps. Doing well? Not at all.
"Well" is reaching more than two hundredths of a percent of the population.
Dell used to pull a percent or more. The "Disney Afternoon" shows reach
a percent.
>By "marginal" did you mean that they were barely
>making a name for themselves, Greg?
Yep. Awareness of Gladstones is almost nil. Even in the full service
comic stores near me which sell twenty or more copies of Bone, Gladstones
are ordered in the low single digits and sell out within a week--and orders
*never* go up. Thank the deity I use a subscription service or I'd never
see all the issues.
If Gladstone is to become large enough to resist Disney corporate stupidity,
it's going to have to get aggressive: Direct mail inquiries to store owners,
telling them to order more *because Gladstones sell out*; subscription
ads in Disney Adventure Digest (1e6 copies a month!); pressure on Marvel
to get the Gladstones in point-of-purchase displays, etc. The market
exists; it just doesn't know the Gladstones do.
greg
--
"It is useless for sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism
while wolves remain of a different opinion."
--William Ralph Inge D.D.
elmo (morrow at physics.rice.edu,morrow at fnal.fnal.gov)
Harry Fluks
Soap ad in "Kerel 2000"
Message 86 -
1994-05-10 at 20:35:52
"
Per Starback about H 90164 Donald Duck "Hero 2000":
> So whatabout that FLUX soap? Did you get Mau Heymans to include it as
> a reference to you, Harry?
No, Mau doesn't even know me. Have you ever heard of Lux soap?
(I still like to THINK he referred to me, though 8-)
--Harry.
Per Starback about H 90164 Donald Duck "Hero 2000":
> So whatabout that FLUX soap? Did you get Mau Heymans to include it as
> a reference to you, Harry?
No, Mau doesn't even know me. Have you ever heard of Lux soap?
(I still like to THINK he referred to me, though 8-)
--Harry.
Fredrik Ekman
July's Gladstones...
Message 87 -
1994-05-11 at 00:30:23
David wrote:
> WDC&S #593: "Donald's uncle Rumpus comes for a disastrous
> visit" in a 10-pager by William Van Horn... anyone know which one this
> is?
Umm... quite frankly... I have no idea. The most obvious would be that
it is one of the unpublished Danish stories, but none of the ones in
the Van Horn index includes no uncle. Of course, it COULD be that I've
missed one, but with Ole watching my every move, striking like a hawk
as soon as I make even the slightest mistake, that doesn't seem very
probable.
/F
> WDC&S #593: "Donald's uncle Rumpus comes for a disastrous
> visit" in a 10-pager by William Van Horn... anyone know which one this
> is?
Umm... quite frankly... I have no idea. The most obvious would be that
it is one of the unpublished Danish stories, but none of the ones in
the Van Horn index includes no uncle. Of course, it COULD be that I've
missed one, but with Ole watching my every move, striking like a hawk
as soon as I make even the slightest mistake, that doesn't seem very
probable.
/F
David A Gerstein
Bill Wright and "An Education for Thursday"
Message 88 -
1994-05-11 at 02:44:55
Dear Folks,
I hope to clear up a few things about the Gottfredson story
"An Education for Thursday."
It was first printed in comics in 1942's WDC&S 22-24, under
the title mentioned above. This was a 6-panel version made from
Gottfredson's original strips.
In Feb. 1950, a completely different reformatting was made as
MMOS 269 (or thereabouts). The story has the new title "MM's Surprise
Visitor." It has been made into 8-panel pages using GOTTFREDSON'S
art, NOT a redrawn version!!! It's EXACTLY like the version in WDC&S
22-24, only laid out differently! I believe the confusion comes
because some of the panels were enlarged into half-page panels in this
version, and in THOSE panels alone, it appears that Bill Wright added
some things to the scenes to make them more detailed. But on the
whole, this is Gottfredson's original version, if rather mutilated.
About 1962, the story was redrawn by Paul Murry and used
again. This version was clearly a direct redraw from the 1942
printing, right down to panel layout on many pages, and the fact that
the pages have 6 panels. This is the version which has been reprinted
in an Oberon Dubbelalbum, which I saw when visiting Disney Comics in
Burbank in 1991. According to Thom Roep, Oberon has always used the
Murry version of the story.
As far as I can figure out, Norway's special edition used the
48-page 1950 version, with SOME added art by Bill Wright, but in fact
very little. It's important to note that the original version of
"Thursday" was INKED by Bill Wright... so the style isn't SO
different. But if you compare the 1950 version with Wright's "MM and
Pluto Battle the Giant Ants" of the same year, the difference is
clear.
I am very glad that this 1950 version was published. It was
one of the most popular of all Dell MMs and therefore is quite easy to
find. So although the story is banned in the United States, I was
easily able to add it to my collection one day when I had a yen to
read it, and then later find another copy quickly to give a friend for
his birthday.
It's really very funny, but also VERY stereotyped.... I'm not
saying I don't wince to hear Thursday referred to as a "monkey" or as
a "jungle ape" (the latter by Minnie). He's just an exuberant KID who
isn't used to life in Calisota!
David Gerstein
<David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu>
"I'm de Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way free semple!" (But
NOT of "An Education for Thursday" 1950 edition... I didn't say it was
THAT easy to find ;-)
I hope to clear up a few things about the Gottfredson story
"An Education for Thursday."
It was first printed in comics in 1942's WDC&S 22-24, under
the title mentioned above. This was a 6-panel version made from
Gottfredson's original strips.
In Feb. 1950, a completely different reformatting was made as
MMOS 269 (or thereabouts). The story has the new title "MM's Surprise
Visitor." It has been made into 8-panel pages using GOTTFREDSON'S
art, NOT a redrawn version!!! It's EXACTLY like the version in WDC&S
22-24, only laid out differently! I believe the confusion comes
because some of the panels were enlarged into half-page panels in this
version, and in THOSE panels alone, it appears that Bill Wright added
some things to the scenes to make them more detailed. But on the
whole, this is Gottfredson's original version, if rather mutilated.
About 1962, the story was redrawn by Paul Murry and used
again. This version was clearly a direct redraw from the 1942
printing, right down to panel layout on many pages, and the fact that
the pages have 6 panels. This is the version which has been reprinted
in an Oberon Dubbelalbum, which I saw when visiting Disney Comics in
Burbank in 1991. According to Thom Roep, Oberon has always used the
Murry version of the story.
As far as I can figure out, Norway's special edition used the
48-page 1950 version, with SOME added art by Bill Wright, but in fact
very little. It's important to note that the original version of
"Thursday" was INKED by Bill Wright... so the style isn't SO
different. But if you compare the 1950 version with Wright's "MM and
Pluto Battle the Giant Ants" of the same year, the difference is
clear.
I am very glad that this 1950 version was published. It was
one of the most popular of all Dell MMs and therefore is quite easy to
find. So although the story is banned in the United States, I was
easily able to add it to my collection one day when I had a yen to
read it, and then later find another copy quickly to give a friend for
his birthday.
It's really very funny, but also VERY stereotyped.... I'm not
saying I don't wince to hear Thursday referred to as a "monkey" or as
a "jungle ape" (the latter by Minnie). He's just an exuberant KID who
isn't used to life in Calisota!
David Gerstein
<David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu>
"I'm de Fuller Brush Man! I'm givin' g'way free semple!" (But
NOT of "An Education for Thursday" 1950 edition... I didn't say it was
THAT easy to find ;-)
Tryg Helseth
From RoC
Message 89 -
1994-05-11 at 03:03:43
OLE wrote:
>*Heidi Ace MacDonald.
> I hope an unsubscribe message will not be your only contribution.
>Us 3-letter-joke-names got to stick together! Welcome aboard, Ace!
><oLe 'RoC' Reichstein Nielsen, c/o Lasse 'Spot' R.N. (lrn at daimi.aau.dk)>
I don't understand this. Could you please explain to me what you mean by
"3-letter-joke-names?" Do you mean Heidi is a "HAM?" For that matter,
would you mind explaining your name? Why do you capitalize it that way?
Does "LRC" have some special meaning? Who is Lasse Reichstein Nielsen? Is
that you or someone else? (At least I think I get the Lasse / Spot joke,
but oLe / RoC is beyond my understanding... :) )
Desparately in need of a clue...
Tryg
>*Heidi Ace MacDonald.
> I hope an unsubscribe message will not be your only contribution.
>Us 3-letter-joke-names got to stick together! Welcome aboard, Ace!
><oLe 'RoC' Reichstein Nielsen, c/o Lasse 'Spot' R.N. (lrn at daimi.aau.dk)>
I don't understand this. Could you please explain to me what you mean by
"3-letter-joke-names?" Do you mean Heidi is a "HAM?" For that matter,
would you mind explaining your name? Why do you capitalize it that way?
Does "LRC" have some special meaning? Who is Lasse Reichstein Nielsen? Is
that you or someone else? (At least I think I get the Lasse / Spot joke,
but oLe / RoC is beyond my understanding... :) )
Desparately in need of a clue...
Tryg
Harry Fluks
From Daniel van Eijmeren
Message 90 -
1994-05-11 at 13:34:36
[Remember I mailed a while ago about Daniel? I sent him a lot of digests
by snail-mail, in printed form. He read them all, and gave me an answer
by snail-mail to post on the list. So I'm being the Lasse for him
this time. --Harry]
Hi everybody,
My name is Daniel van Eijmeren. I'm 20 years old, student, and I'm living
in Maassluis (nearby Rotterdam) in Holland. I'm a devoted fan of Carl
Barks and Don Rosa. I'm very pleased with the fact that Rosa is a member
of this list. I own the Carl Barks Library and a lot of Dutch weeklies,
etc. The Rosa-stories I read are all in Dutch, so I just can't wait for a
[English] Don Rosa Library.
Thanks to Harry (who sent me digests via regular post for about two years)
I'm able to read all your comments. Again thanks to Harry it is now
possible for me to comment on this list. I have to say that my comments
are not quite recent because I have to read all those digests first and
then send my comments on a diskette via regular post to Harry. (The
comments I have now are from digests of 28 August 1993 to 10 March 1994.)
I hope it doesn't bother you.
Harry Gladstone's "Birthday Bugaboo":
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Harry Gladstone didn't actually use the [Barks] half page itself, but
it gave him an impression to work with. So the story might be Barks-like.
(I haven't seen the story.) It was me who told Harry that the Barks-page
was used in the story, but I had misread the article in the CBL. This has
caused much rumours on this list, so I'm very sorry about that.
Don Rosa (or should I say: Mr. Rosa?):
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I want to thank you first for the Kentuckies I recieved from you via Harry.
Although it is difficult to understand the gags related to Louisville
itself, I like the stories very much. It's a pity that Barks is so negative
about your duck-stories, I could only think of two reasons why he is. The
first one being that Barks probably doesn't like people who put too much
depth to his stories and maybe he feels like he's been stolen when people
put facts and situations from *his* stories into *their* stories. The
second reason why Barks might be so negative in the media now is that he
recently came up with a new story and it's quite possible that people now
will prefer *your* stories over *his* new story. For Barks, being a comic
writer again, you are a real competitor. And the fact that you use much of
his stories, also can give him the impression that he is fighting with
*himself*. Without your stories it would already be a difficult task to
compete with his own old stories. What do you think about these theories?
For me, the only thing I can say is: Keep up doing your stories like you
want to do them. I like them *very much*, you are one of the very few
writers who makes me read their stories again and again. And every time
I find new gags.
In my very long comment to you I have some questions as well:
[**** **** SPOILERS for American readers! Lo$ parts 5 & 6 **** ****]
- In the half-page panel in Lo$ 6 is an elephant which hides a drawing of
Mickey Mouse under its paw. Is this your answer to the question on the
list: Please, use Mickey at least once in your stories and I'll never
ask for it again?
- In Lo$ 5, in the interior of the castle of the McDucks,
there is much lying around and there are also chairs and tables. Scrooge
becomes angry when a Whiskerville carves a chair and he says that he
wanted to sell the furniture. In Barks's "Old castle's secret" the
castle is almost empty inside. Is this because Scrooge had indeed sold
the furniture? Did you intend this that way?
[**** **** END OF SPOILERS **** ****]
Banned cartoons (David):
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In January this year, David mentioned cartoons which are now banned by Disney.
Two years ago I spent a lot of time copying hired Disney-videotapes on my
own tapes. Those tapes were made in 1985 or so, and not meant for sale.
So I couldn't buy them. (The recent Disney-videotapes in Holland are meant
for sale, but they are Dutch synchronized. I don't like that.) Anyway, among
those tapes are cartoons which are now banned. For example: "Commando Duck",
"Mother Goose goes to Hollywood", "Broken Toys", "Uncle Donald's Ants" and
"Spare the Rod". I still haven't made an index of the cartoons, so I don't
know if I have more. These cartoons are (as far as I know) uncut. "Commando
Duck" might be because it seems somewhat shorter, but it shows Japanese.
I also have the (banned?) cartoon "Spirit of '43" with a Scrooge-like
character in it.
David, if you want them copied on tape, I am willing to do that. (My
VHS-videorecorder uses the systems Pal, Secam and NTSC4.45.) But then, I
hope you are willing to copy your laserdisc with the Mouse-cartoons. (I have
no laserdisc system.)
I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT I DON'T *WANT* TO VIOLATE COPYRIGHT-LAWS.
But the way how Disney distributes their cartoons makes me do it. Because
I *want* those cartoons, but they are not available here with original
soundtrack otherwise than copying them from hired old tapes. If the Mouse-
laserdisc was on videotape, I sure would have bought it. So, I am willing
to *buy* all that stuff, but it's not for sale! That's the way Disney
treats their appreciators.
The lost but not least giveaways:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
When I bought the CBL complete I was sure that I had every story of Barks
in original state. But very soon it was clear to me that it was far from
that. A lot of stories (mostly giveaways) have been redrawn. I had no other
idea than that these stories were lost. But reading this list I learned
that all these stories still exist and the places where they exist
are known. Why didn't the CBL use them? Is there a way to get these original
stories? Does anyone of you have one or more?
Will the "CBL in color" include some of them (not reprinted in CBL)? I would
be very grateful if anyone would help me getting them. (Another example of
willing to buy, but not for sale...)
A few years ago I had a chance to speak with Jippes himself and he told me
that he had to draw a lot of art himself for "Race to the South Seas" because
he had to work with very bad xeroxes in different standard colours. He said
that only the ducks were somewhat clear to be seen, but he had to draw the
sea and the natives himself. Now my opinion is that "South seas" is a
*Jippes-story*, written by Carl Barks.
The censored CBL:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In november 1993, David gave an updated list of changes in the CBL. It
included some stories of which he didn't know what the status in the CBL
was. Here are my conclusions:
* Land of the totempoles: CBL unchanged.
* Land beneath the ground: Changes due to restoration in CBL. Original
panel without added caption is printed apart from the story.
* Island in the sky: I *think* the dialogue is partly censored in the CBL.
Original dialogue of Columbus is shown.
* How green was my lettuce: (Silhouette of Scrooge is *deleted* not added.)
Balloons are added, changed and deleted to fill in the original art.
The "original" pasted art is also shown in CBL. I think the CBL did the
restoration very good.
* <Submarine Santa>: In the CBL is also a sign, which says "toys". It this
what you mean? Is this sign added? Why?
* <Olympic Team Try-Outs>: CBL unchanged.
* Darkest Africa, Atom bomb, Stormy visit, Kites, Pets: Status in CBL is
the same.
* <Steamboat race> (USGTD 1): Logo "Uncle Scrooge" added on first page in
CBL.
Not mentioned before:
* A Cold Bargain: CBL has changed heads of Brutopians? I heard something
was censored.
* Peaceful Hills: Original art in CBL?
* Balloonatics (WDC): In CBL page 7 is the only one restored, or are there
more?
* Treasure of Marco Polo: Dialogue censored, but I think parts of it are
mentioned somewhere else in CBL.
* The golden river: Page deleted by Barks is added in the story in CBL,
the panel he drew to replace the page is shown somewhere else. No art
itself is changed.
* Trick or treat: On page one a caption is shortened due to restoration of
the original art.
* <Lost Dollar Bill> (WDC 63): The "rings" shown above the heads of the
ducks (last panel) are deleted in CBL. They were supposedly added by
the editor before first publication. Did the CBL have an evidence for
that?
* Captain Blight's Mystery Ship: Uncensored in CBL
The bird Gyro:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[Dutch] Donald Duck Weekly says Gyro Gearloose is a *crane*. I can't imagine
that Barks intended Gyro to be chicken, he drew "human-chickens" very
differently. Did anyone notice that Gyro has *human* feet?
Ulp! I realize that I have just written a sort of digest myself. Does my
very long comment anger anyone? It's very long because I have to
comment on lots of digests at once. I heard that some people here have to
pay per byte, and I just don't want them selling their houses or cancel
their vacations due to the costs they have to make for this.
I hope you all will accept me on this list, if you don't... let me know.
But if you do... see you next time! (About a couple of weeks.)
Best wishes to all of you.
(Harry, thanks!)
--- Daniel.
Date: 8 May 1994.
"They didn't have stones there!"
(The very bad Dutch translation of Harry's quote.)
Harry PTT Research ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
Fluks Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
by snail-mail, in printed form. He read them all, and gave me an answer
by snail-mail to post on the list. So I'm being the Lasse for him
this time. --Harry]
Hi everybody,
My name is Daniel van Eijmeren. I'm 20 years old, student, and I'm living
in Maassluis (nearby Rotterdam) in Holland. I'm a devoted fan of Carl
Barks and Don Rosa. I'm very pleased with the fact that Rosa is a member
of this list. I own the Carl Barks Library and a lot of Dutch weeklies,
etc. The Rosa-stories I read are all in Dutch, so I just can't wait for a
[English] Don Rosa Library.
Thanks to Harry (who sent me digests via regular post for about two years)
I'm able to read all your comments. Again thanks to Harry it is now
possible for me to comment on this list. I have to say that my comments
are not quite recent because I have to read all those digests first and
then send my comments on a diskette via regular post to Harry. (The
comments I have now are from digests of 28 August 1993 to 10 March 1994.)
I hope it doesn't bother you.
Harry Gladstone's "Birthday Bugaboo":
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Harry Gladstone didn't actually use the [Barks] half page itself, but
it gave him an impression to work with. So the story might be Barks-like.
(I haven't seen the story.) It was me who told Harry that the Barks-page
was used in the story, but I had misread the article in the CBL. This has
caused much rumours on this list, so I'm very sorry about that.
Don Rosa (or should I say: Mr. Rosa?):
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I want to thank you first for the Kentuckies I recieved from you via Harry.
Although it is difficult to understand the gags related to Louisville
itself, I like the stories very much. It's a pity that Barks is so negative
about your duck-stories, I could only think of two reasons why he is. The
first one being that Barks probably doesn't like people who put too much
depth to his stories and maybe he feels like he's been stolen when people
put facts and situations from *his* stories into *their* stories. The
second reason why Barks might be so negative in the media now is that he
recently came up with a new story and it's quite possible that people now
will prefer *your* stories over *his* new story. For Barks, being a comic
writer again, you are a real competitor. And the fact that you use much of
his stories, also can give him the impression that he is fighting with
*himself*. Without your stories it would already be a difficult task to
compete with his own old stories. What do you think about these theories?
For me, the only thing I can say is: Keep up doing your stories like you
want to do them. I like them *very much*, you are one of the very few
writers who makes me read their stories again and again. And every time
I find new gags.
In my very long comment to you I have some questions as well:
[**** **** SPOILERS for American readers! Lo$ parts 5 & 6 **** ****]
- In the half-page panel in Lo$ 6 is an elephant which hides a drawing of
Mickey Mouse under its paw. Is this your answer to the question on the
list: Please, use Mickey at least once in your stories and I'll never
ask for it again?
- In Lo$ 5, in the interior of the castle of the McDucks,
there is much lying around and there are also chairs and tables. Scrooge
becomes angry when a Whiskerville carves a chair and he says that he
wanted to sell the furniture. In Barks's "Old castle's secret" the
castle is almost empty inside. Is this because Scrooge had indeed sold
the furniture? Did you intend this that way?
[**** **** END OF SPOILERS **** ****]
Banned cartoons (David):
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In January this year, David mentioned cartoons which are now banned by Disney.
Two years ago I spent a lot of time copying hired Disney-videotapes on my
own tapes. Those tapes were made in 1985 or so, and not meant for sale.
So I couldn't buy them. (The recent Disney-videotapes in Holland are meant
for sale, but they are Dutch synchronized. I don't like that.) Anyway, among
those tapes are cartoons which are now banned. For example: "Commando Duck",
"Mother Goose goes to Hollywood", "Broken Toys", "Uncle Donald's Ants" and
"Spare the Rod". I still haven't made an index of the cartoons, so I don't
know if I have more. These cartoons are (as far as I know) uncut. "Commando
Duck" might be because it seems somewhat shorter, but it shows Japanese.
I also have the (banned?) cartoon "Spirit of '43" with a Scrooge-like
character in it.
David, if you want them copied on tape, I am willing to do that. (My
VHS-videorecorder uses the systems Pal, Secam and NTSC4.45.) But then, I
hope you are willing to copy your laserdisc with the Mouse-cartoons. (I have
no laserdisc system.)
I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT I DON'T *WANT* TO VIOLATE COPYRIGHT-LAWS.
But the way how Disney distributes their cartoons makes me do it. Because
I *want* those cartoons, but they are not available here with original
soundtrack otherwise than copying them from hired old tapes. If the Mouse-
laserdisc was on videotape, I sure would have bought it. So, I am willing
to *buy* all that stuff, but it's not for sale! That's the way Disney
treats their appreciators.
The lost but not least giveaways:
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When I bought the CBL complete I was sure that I had every story of Barks
in original state. But very soon it was clear to me that it was far from
that. A lot of stories (mostly giveaways) have been redrawn. I had no other
idea than that these stories were lost. But reading this list I learned
that all these stories still exist and the places where they exist
are known. Why didn't the CBL use them? Is there a way to get these original
stories? Does anyone of you have one or more?
Will the "CBL in color" include some of them (not reprinted in CBL)? I would
be very grateful if anyone would help me getting them. (Another example of
willing to buy, but not for sale...)
A few years ago I had a chance to speak with Jippes himself and he told me
that he had to draw a lot of art himself for "Race to the South Seas" because
he had to work with very bad xeroxes in different standard colours. He said
that only the ducks were somewhat clear to be seen, but he had to draw the
sea and the natives himself. Now my opinion is that "South seas" is a
*Jippes-story*, written by Carl Barks.
The censored CBL:
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In november 1993, David gave an updated list of changes in the CBL. It
included some stories of which he didn't know what the status in the CBL
was. Here are my conclusions:
* Land of the totempoles: CBL unchanged.
* Land beneath the ground: Changes due to restoration in CBL. Original
panel without added caption is printed apart from the story.
* Island in the sky: I *think* the dialogue is partly censored in the CBL.
Original dialogue of Columbus is shown.
* How green was my lettuce: (Silhouette of Scrooge is *deleted* not added.)
Balloons are added, changed and deleted to fill in the original art.
The "original" pasted art is also shown in CBL. I think the CBL did the
restoration very good.
* <Submarine Santa>: In the CBL is also a sign, which says "toys". It this
what you mean? Is this sign added? Why?
* <Olympic Team Try-Outs>: CBL unchanged.
* Darkest Africa, Atom bomb, Stormy visit, Kites, Pets: Status in CBL is
the same.
* <Steamboat race> (USGTD 1): Logo "Uncle Scrooge" added on first page in
CBL.
Not mentioned before:
* A Cold Bargain: CBL has changed heads of Brutopians? I heard something
was censored.
* Peaceful Hills: Original art in CBL?
* Balloonatics (WDC): In CBL page 7 is the only one restored, or are there
more?
* Treasure of Marco Polo: Dialogue censored, but I think parts of it are
mentioned somewhere else in CBL.
* The golden river: Page deleted by Barks is added in the story in CBL,
the panel he drew to replace the page is shown somewhere else. No art
itself is changed.
* Trick or treat: On page one a caption is shortened due to restoration of
the original art.
* <Lost Dollar Bill> (WDC 63): The "rings" shown above the heads of the
ducks (last panel) are deleted in CBL. They were supposedly added by
the editor before first publication. Did the CBL have an evidence for
that?
* Captain Blight's Mystery Ship: Uncensored in CBL
The bird Gyro:
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[Dutch] Donald Duck Weekly says Gyro Gearloose is a *crane*. I can't imagine
that Barks intended Gyro to be chicken, he drew "human-chickens" very
differently. Did anyone notice that Gyro has *human* feet?
Ulp! I realize that I have just written a sort of digest myself. Does my
very long comment anger anyone? It's very long because I have to
comment on lots of digests at once. I heard that some people here have to
pay per byte, and I just don't want them selling their houses or cancel
their vacations due to the costs they have to make for this.
I hope you all will accept me on this list, if you don't... let me know.
But if you do... see you next time! (About a couple of weeks.)
Best wishes to all of you.
(Harry, thanks!)
--- Daniel.
Date: 8 May 1994.
"They didn't have stones there!"
(The very bad Dutch translation of Harry's quote.)
Harry PTT Research ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
Fluks Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"