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Mike Pohjola
KNUT about DON:
>- Why should you have trouble seeing big things far away just because you're
>small?

Ever tried looking at a painting really close?

>- Same for hearing, why shouldn't they hear everything clearly?

Ever tried listening heavy metal?-)

>- Did you try to calculate how long DD & U$ would use climbing up that pole
>at their current size?

And how did they get so close to it?-o They were at least a half a mile
(from their point of view) away from the pole and they kept shrinking all the
time.

>- And they would have to be quite strong to hold on to that hand on the way
>up...

Not if they climbed on the top first.

DON:
You had that Jolt magazine in page 5 of the second part! Great! Were
there other stuff given ideas by the list members? You really made me happy!
The panel with Donald being on the eagle looks funny. Also the coins
look very real (although they call them 'marks' as in Finland) I also know
now why you gave BB the hair... Too bad they miscolored their foreheads when
beeing seen really close.

PER:
>(If there are lurking pros out there who feel neglected because I never
>introduced you when you joined the list, my apologies.)

Do you have a list of all the pros on the list, please publish it.

--

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Cdoberman
I know it has been discussed before, but I was in the store tonight and
started leafing through the current Disney Adventures Magazine. I was
looking for Van Horn's Dinosaur story, which I very quickly skimmed. It
featured the usual Van Horn aliteration and hyperbolic vocabulary. I didn't
buy the magazine -- $3 seemed steep for such a publication. Has any one else
read the story who would care to share your views on it?

-- Wes
Sharon L Branvold
For those of you interested, LO$ part 11 showed up in stores in the U.S.
today, as well as WDC&S #600. The family tree is very similar to the
European version, except of course the names in English, and Daisy, the
nieces, and Gyro do not appear on the far right. Anyone having trouble
finding either, send me a letter.---BARRY---
Geir J. Netland
On Thu, 5 Oct 1995, Don Rosa wrote:

> I HAD done it once previously, however. I hid another Duck fan's
> last name on my cover to "His Majesty McDuck". See if you can find it. It
> was "Bankard".

Yup! T'was no problem!

Have you ever written (hidden) your own name in one
of you comics? (Appart from "DON" on the statue outside
Duckburg Museum in "the Duck who never was"
Marco Rota is doing it quite often.
Perhaps you should start hiding D.U.C.K. in every part
of you 3-part stories, then there's a bigger chance for
at least one D.U.C.K. to survive. I think you did this in part
3 of the "War of the Wendigo" story.

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Geir J. Netland
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Geir J. Netland
Don:
In the beging of the Tightwad story, and Miss Quackfaster (is that
her name?) is going to visit someone because $crooge wasn't too popular there
after "the last time". Then Donald is saying someting like:
"I loved when $crooge had to pay for the damaged police-cars"
Is a reference to another story?

Gianfranco:
Do you know if Marco Rota will ever join this list?

ALL: I'll try to ask this question again:
Do you know where and when the Rosa script "Back in time for a dime"
were published? (Drawn by Jaime Diaz studios)

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Geir J. Netland
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-IRA FUROR BREVIS EST,
-HUMANUM ERRARE EST.
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Don Rosa
KNUT:
You liked the ending of "Tightwad"? That's good -- it was one of
those instances when I didn't have an ending in mind from the start, and
that was all I could think of.
No, I meant that nobody in the movie found the real Falcon... or at
least the Fat Man was chasing a phony lead. But was there a Maltese Falcon
in real life? What a good question! After researching adventure stories for
the past 8 years, I've learned that history is PACKED with fabulous true
tales like that, so I wouldn't doubt there was some truth in that premise. I
wish I knew... that would make the movie 10 times better for me.
Of course, the BEST part of the movie is what makes other movies
like TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE and THE MAN WHO WOULD BE KING so great.
The fact that all of these movies were directed by the same man might prove
that my mind works the same way John Huston's did. What made these movies so
good is that the heroes LOSE the treasures they so desperately seek. I think
that's especially important in my $crooge stories -- I think I've said
before that $crooge is so rich that there can't be any thrill in seeing him
gain more treasure... it's much more interesting to see what mistake he
makes in judgement or ethics that will cause him to LOSE his goal.

MIKE:
You liked those coins? I noticed that they didn't fiddle with them
even though I clearly drew American coins, even down to the faint lettering
of "AMERICA" or "LIBERTY"... of course, they colored it all gold like they
always do, so maybe that was enough disguise?
Speaking of coloring, I was also puzzled, like you, as to why they
colored the close-up views of the Beagle Boy's skin PINK, instead of their
normal "flesh" tone. Hm... could it be due to the "gag" where I had Donald
saying he thought the giant Beagle hand that plopped next to them was a
"pink oil-tanker running aground"? Did they use that gag in the translation?
You remind me that I keep forgetting to bring those issues up here
to post a list of the stuff in $crooge's junk closet. Yes, I'm sure I used
some of this group's suggestions, though I didn't make notes as to who
suggested what. When I post the list everyone is free to remind me what
they'd sent me.

Too bad there's no one from Germany in the group. I just received a
copy of the 6th album of the "Lo$", and they used the extra half-pages in
chapter XI, the pages that had never been used until then. But yesterday
Gladstone's issue with that same chapter came out -- I haven't got a copy
yet, but I trust they used those extra pages also. I also hope they
corrected that one panel where I show $crooge with two pairs of specks!
Also, WDC&S #600 came out, and I'm anxious to see how the Duck Family Tree
looks.
Wilmer Rivers
Don Rosa writes:
> But was there a Maltese Falcon in real life? What a good question!
> After researching adventure stories for the past 8 years, I've learned
> that history is PACKED with fabulous true tales like that, so I
> wouldn't doubt there was some truth in that premise.

The premise of the movie was that the falcon was part of the treasure
of the Knights Templar, who operated out of Malta. The Knights Templar
are one of those organizations who are considered by paranoids - er,
believers in "conspiratorial" interpretations of history - to be at the
root of much that has happened throughout the ages. In particular,
Umberto Ecco has popularized that belief in "Foucault's Pendulum". You
may recall that many reviewers compared Don's "Guardians of the Lost
Library" to that book, as well as to Ecco's earlier "The Name of the
Rose". Since "GotLL" has a lot in common with the idea of a mysterious
society passing down its treasures from century to century and continent
to continent, I wouldn't be surprised if the Maltese Falcon had in fact
wound up in the remains of Fort Duckburg, perhaps now disguised not as
a black enamel falcon but instead as a black enamel woodchuck.

Incidentally, the other mysterious organization that conspiratorial
devotees believe to be responsible for much in the world today is the
Freemasons. (This belief is reflected in many of Alan Moore's comic
books, especially "From Hell".) The Freemasons and the Knights Templar
actually are entertwined in the Scottish Rite branch of Masonry. Of
course, in "The Man Who Would Be King" the adventurers discover that
the Freemasons are responsible for preserving Alexander the Great's
treasure in India, so maybe Donald and Scrooge can find themselves on
the trail of lost treasure which leads from India to Malta to Fort
Duckburg. I would certainly like to see the expression on their faces
when the high lama in the temple in India opens up the holy vault to
show our heros the milenia-old sacred symbol that only he is allowed to
see, which turns out to be the emblem of the Junior Woodchucks of the
World.

Completely off the subject, fans of grand conspiracy interpretations
of history should read Thomas Pynchon's "The Crying of Lot 49", which
attributes the state of the work today to a band of Medieval robbers
who now operate the world's postal service. Maybe there's a Beagle
Boys story in there. Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing the Maltese
Falcon in a Disney comic book. It would really be fun to see Gus Goose
as Sidney Greenstreet!

Wilmer Rivers
William CallMeBillClark
Hi everyone,
I've been a little underworked at work and have been doing some
reading. As you may recall, I can't find Disney comics here in Japan, but
I did read an interesting Mickey related item.
In his book "The Panda's Thumb", Stephen Jay Gould has an essay
entitled "An Homage to Mickey Mouse" (as best I can remember; I left the
book at work). It is about the change in Mickey's features over time. He
makes specific reference to the movies, but since the comic Mickey is based
on the movie, it still holds true.
In short, he said as time passed Mickey developed more juvenile
features (bigger eyes, bigger head, shorter nose etc). It then goes on to
explain how these features seem to be related to the perception of
"cuteness" by humans. He noted the more adult features of Goofy and others
as well. The beloved Donald Duck was also mentioned. Seems he became more
juvenile as well, but not nearly as much as Mickey since he's still a bit
of a bad boy.
So, let me ask you, do you think, based on the earliest Donalds
you've seen that he has become "cuter"?

Thanks,
Bill

P.S. It is a good book on evolution and worth getting if you are mildly
interested in the topic. I really liked the Mickey article (about 8-9
pages, almost all text with just a few illustrations)
James E. Smith III
Dear Don:

Well, just read "The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck" part 11. What can
I say, but congrats, Don, on a well-written and throughly enjoyable
story. This may have been Scrooge's "darkest" story as he finally morally
stumbles after his long and until this point morale career.

My one criticism is that ever after Scrooge's "repentance" he still has a
great deal to answer for. Chasing others off their land, and in the way
he did it, is obviously something he must atone for.

Even in the Barks story where Donald must "pay" for Scrooge's sin,
Scrooge seems to get off very lightly for his indiscretion. This might be
something to draw back on in future stories (maybe).

I love the ending which the little Donald and the circle of light he's
in. It's a perfect intro for the two and it certainly foreshadows the
coming protagonist/antagonist relationship between the two. Still, there
is something very tender between the two, and it may be that link to
Hortense that does it.

In a strange way, I see this story taking on a Dickensian parallel. Just
as Ebenezer Scrooge turned bitter after his sister's death and the loss
of his family, so too, is this happening to Scrooge McDuck.

Don, I can hardly wait for the Christmas story, and I hope it ties
everything up with a sentimental, yet positive ending. From you earlier
letter, I know you compared the difference between Donald, the happy
failure, and Scrooge, the not-so happy success. Barks' ending to a "Poor
Old Man" is referred heavily, and while there is some truth to Scrooge
learning to be happy with what he has, I don't believe that is the whole
story. While Scrooge may seem to be on the surface, this crusty, bitter
old duck; the readers know that there is much more to him than that hard
shelled exterior. It may never be in your power to do so, but if there
ever was a "last" Scrooge McDuck story, it would give me great
satisfaction to know that he would recouncile with Goldie, or even the
memories of his beloved lost family.

Just a thought that I know everybody is going "yuck" at.

One last question Don: How many Duck stories have you written that
haven't been published in the states yet?

James Smith III
Williston ND
Mark Semich
So I just read "Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck" #11.

DON

I think you had previously mentioned that this story might
disturb some people. Well, I liked it very much, but I am a bit
bothered about some of the things that you showed - it's almost
like DC's "Post Crisis" approach, where history sort of happened
the way one thought that it had, except that people that used to be
admirable actually have some evil background... I do *not* subscribe
to the belief that a character has to go through some sort of
"learning to be evil is wrong" experience in order to be honest.
I mail-order the Gladstone books for my 12 year old brother and 7 year
old sister, and I'm not entirely sure whether or not I'd have purchased
this one for them. That's a bit young to start having one's heroes
shown as evil.

Anyways, that's not what I meant to write about on this post :-)

I really wanted to pick nits:

Spoiler!

On the last page of the story, there are two references to
Scrooge being "the richest man in the world" only it looks like
"man" was written in by someone else. Did this originally say
"richest duck"? And if so, what was the reason for the change?

Given your attention to detail, I'm assuming that you already
know that George Washington was not on the Quarter until 1932 -
and that "Chief Quarter Dollar" was Lady Liberty - whose correct
name really *was* on the front of the coin :-)

Lincoln was right on - his first appearance on the penny was 1909...

WDC&S 600

It was very nice to see "Mythological Menagerie" again (in WDC&S 600)
but I would have assumed that after 8 years, Gladstone would have
fixed "just look a these merit badges" (If it *is* an error, I may
be mistaken)

And I had forgotten how thoroughly enjoyable the Dan Jippes ten pagers
are. I hope that we see more of them...
Don Rosa
GEIR:
Yes, I did hide "D.U.C.K." in all three splash-panels of "War of the
Wendigo". But after that I only hid it in the first splash of three parters.
I think that's enough... after all, I see my 3-parters as ONE-parters that
have been torn into three sections, but will someday be printed as they were
intended... that's why I do extra art for them to help them "heal" their wounds.
No, I've never hidden my own name, nor has that thought ever occured
to me. I don't think I'll do that. "DON" would be too easy to hide, anyway.
But hiding "D.U.C.K." with that "K" and all the periods intact is rather
difficult at times. Speaking of that, in regards to the cover of the new U$
#295, I'd mentioned that is a reprint of a German cover, and it has been
"flipped"; so watch out -- the "D.U.C.K." is backwards!
And the reference in "tIST" to some incident that involved damaged
police cars is not a reference to any actual past story -- it's just
designed to sound bizarre and make you wonder what happened.

I got my WDC&S #600 and U$ #295 today.
The Duck Family Tree was there in #600, along with most of an
accompanying text I wrote. I see Dabney Duck has been changed to
Humperdinck, but no explanation was added by the editor as to why he's no
longer Dabney. How can this be straightened out? Hm? But the rest of it
looked right. See, I'm never sure what these printings of my Tree will look
like, since the art for the Tree and for the portraits is separate, and the
circles and name plates are added by the various publishers. This is the
first time that the nameplates, especially the one for HD&L's father, were
added correctly. Gladstone always does a good job!
And chapter XI of the "Lo$" was printed completely intact. I'm
surprised and pleased. Guns pointing at beaks, the destruction of the native
village, Bombie, everything is there. The only change I've spotted so far
(and I was warned about it) is tiny -- the reference to John Jacob Astor
changed to simply "J.J.". What's odd is that they left in the reference to
William Randolph Hearst. Why was one okay, but not the other?
"Nutmeg" is left off a bag in one panel, but I'm sure that was only
because Todd Klein's script wasn't complete. Todd is reading this list now,
I believe. Instead of calling him as I always try to do after seeing one of
his lettering jobs on "Lo$", I'll just thank him here. His lettering (and
Susan's coloring) always make my stories look better than they are! I always
look forward to seeing what distinctive lettering he uses on the story
title, and this one was perfect again. I've already seen stats of part 12
(to check the added panels) and that Klein job is great again. Anyway, I was
tickled by Todd's "Russian" lettering when $crooge visits Czar Nick II. Ha.
This is the first time I'd ever actually seen this story in such
form that I could read it myself. Oog... it's pretty stern stuff! But that
is exactly how it was intended... after 11 chapters, this all had to develop
into something other than just a series of simple little adventures... this
is all rather un-Disney-like psycho-drama. Well, it will read better when
it's next to chapter XII where you first see how unhappy $crooge is after
developing like he does in part XI, and then see him turn out just fine at
the end. But that's two months from now.
The printing is not as muddy as the previous issue, though not quite
as clear as the pre-self-cover days. But Susan Daigle-Leach's coloring is as
great as always. There are so many tiny touches she puts here and there that
are a constant delight to see.(There are some PINK sponges at one point... I
don't know about that.) The added pages are there to turn the 3-parter into
a 1-parter. They corrected my error in one panel of $crooge having two pairs
of glasses (one in his hand). The cover is colored GREAT. Bombie's eyes are
scary!
(If this is boring anybody, as well it should, stop reading five
paragraphs back.)
Oh, that list of stuff in $crooge's closet in "tIST". Next time!
Jasphe
jasphe at aol.com
Augie De Blieck Jr.
OK, maybe that isn't the proper word, but it's about as close as my
feeling towards Bruce Hamilton comes right now.

I understood the "temporary changes" in formats of the various Duck
titles. All companies are tinkering with that in the US now, due to
increased paper costs.

I've put up with the occassional off-register colors.

I stopped writing letters when they stopped running letters columns in
the books. (If they're not important enough to run, they're not
important enough to bother writing.)

But this Walt Disney Giant #2 issue really has my dander up.

I wasn't the only one who found the reprint of The Cold-Blooded Penguin a
little bit odd. I had a private e-mail or two expressing
dissatisfaction. Others publicly questioned its inclusion. I was
sickened to find it was included only so Bruce Hamilton could sell the
original art from it.

I wrote my first letter to Gladstone in a while and dropped it.

HOWEVER, I got my new Comics Buyers Guide in the mail last week. And on
the back page is an ad offering, in big bold-faced type, "Original Art
For Sale From the First Walt Disney Little Golden Book!" Yep, same stuff.

Listen to some of the ad copy:

"Anyone who does not have a copy of the catalog - reproduced, _in full_
in _Walt Disney Giant_ 2, available now in many comic shops and on
newsstands - may order one to be mailed immediately, first class for
$3.00." [Emphasis, by the way, THEIRS, and not mine.]

There are several objections I have to this, most notably:

(1) It is now obvious Bruce Hamilton is no longer interested in
publishing comic books but, rather, "catalog"s, which is what WDG #2
serves as.

(2) And if anyone wants to actually buy some of this original art (OK,
everyone raise your hands! Nobody? Quelle suprise.), you have to order a
comic through Hamilton, instead of picking it up at a comics shop. (Yes,
I realize that's an option IF your local comics shop has sold out, but
then why didn't he just overprint it? That might have actually HELPED the
Duck books. Every comics shop I go into sells out of what few Disney
issues they get in.)

A letter now will be going to the Comics Buyers Guide. Too bad, too, as
I enjoyed WDC&S #600 and Lo$ XI.

-Augie, off to use mouthwash to get this bad taste out of my mouth
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Kathy Fitzpatrick
Wilma,

Interesting post. I have read those conspiracy theories you refer to and in
some cases the research leading to the conclusions of the various authors
seems pretty solid.

I went to the Dallas United We Stand America Conference this summer, and
took a half day (I got there a day early) to wander about downtown Dallas.
I came upon a place called the Conspiracy Museum, paid the fee, went in
expecting something totally different, because of all of the conspiracies I
have read about of late. It turned out to be is a fantastic collection and
reproduction of all kinds of news article to do with each presidential
asassination. The first floor was all about Abraham Lincoln and whether
John Booth was really killed as first reported or whether or not he in fact
went through life and appeared in up to three identities later in life. I
didn't make it to the JFK part of the museum as they were closing, but did
visit the memorial at the site of his asassination.

I loved the Maltese Falcon story. I prefer to hope that secret societies
exist to preserve knowledge and traditions, even historic treasures, rather
than to control the events or even knowledge of history. Still the idea
that they must be secret discredits any society to me. The Rosecruteans are
another group that is secret. I once got an invitation to join them, but
got a strange feeling about the whole thing and never responded. If I had,
I guess I would know by now what they were about.

I love the idea of guardians of a library of knowledge! Don's story brought
out something that is somewhat true to life when you study the history of
the world around us is the similar creation and flood stories most religions
have as well as a similar prophet stories. Thus it would not be surprising
for a book of knowledge to appear in many languages/countries in the world.
There are similarities between the Egyptian/Tibetan/Hopi Books of the Dead.

Such a book of knowledge as the Junior Woodchuck Guide surely would have
roots all the way back to Atlantis and Mu. When those who believed the
warnings that great floods and earthquakes would come and had the good sense
to escape Atlantis and Mu before it happened, these wise people who would
settle all over the world would NEVER have left home without their book of
inexhaustible knowledge...story idea anyone? Don? David? John?

Kathy

>Don Rosa writes:
>> But was there a Maltese Falcon in real life? What a good question!
>> After researching adventure stories for the past 8 years, I've learned
>> that history is PACKED with fabulous true tales like that, so I
>> wouldn't doubt there was some truth in that premise.
>
>The premise of the movie was that the falcon was part of the treasure
>of the Knights Templar, who operated out of Malta. The Knights Templar
>are one of those organizations who are considered by paranoids - er,
>believers in "conspiratorial" interpretations of history - to be at the
>root of much that has happened throughout the ages. In particular,
>Umberto Ecco has popularized that belief in "Foucault's Pendulum". You
>may recall that many reviewers compared Don's "Guardians of the Lost
>Library" to that book, as well as to Ecco's earlier "The Name of the
>Rose". Since "GotLL" has a lot in common with the idea of a mysterious
>society passing down its treasures from century to century and continent
>to continent, I wouldn't be surprised if the Maltese Falcon had in fact
>wound up in the remains of Fort Duckburg, perhaps now disguised not as
>a black enamel falcon but instead as a black enamel woodchuck.
>
>Incidentally, the other mysterious organization that conspiratorial
>devotees believe to be responsible for much in the world today is the
>Freemasons. (This belief is reflected in many of Alan Moore's comic
>books, especially "From Hell".) The Freemasons and the Knights Templar
>actually are entertwined in the Scottish Rite branch of Masonry. Of
>course, in "The Man Who Would Be King" the adventurers discover that
>the Freemasons are responsible for preserving Alexander the Great's
>treasure in India, so maybe Donald and Scrooge can find themselves on
>the trail of lost treasure which leads from India to Malta to Fort
>Duckburg. I would certainly like to see the expression on their faces
>when the high lama in the temple in India opens up the holy vault to
>show our heros the milenia-old sacred symbol that only he is allowed to
>see, which turns out to be the emblem of the Junior Woodchucks of the
>World.
>
>Completely off the subject, fans of grand conspiracy interpretations
>of history should read Thomas Pynchon's "The Crying of Lot 49", which
>attributes the state of the work today to a band of Medieval robbers
>who now operate the world's postal service. Maybe there's a Beagle
>Boys story in there. Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing the Maltese
>Falcon in a Disney comic book. It would really be fun to see Gus Goose
>as Sidney Greenstreet!
>
>Wilmer Rivers
>
>
Tommy Tran
This the first paragraph of a paper that I had written last year that I
though you all would find interesting. The idea for the paper came out
just after a conversation about epics, and who was the American epic
hero. After just finished reading the LO$:King of the Klondike and
of course Scrooge popped into my mind. Subsequent paragraphs will be
mailed later, I don't want to take too much of your time. Hey, this
may be going too far, but that's what I do.

On another note, I'd like to congradulate you Mr Rosa on LO$ 11.
There is something new to back me up if I hear one more time that
Uncle Scrooge is a "kiddie" comic. It is, but kid are much
more mature that many tend to think. I'd say that the few compete
comics maturity wise (and maturity not meaning the inclusion of
excessive sex and violence) were Batman, the X-files, and sometime
the X-men.

Now that I've got my shpiel(?) out of the way, on with the paper.

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Tommy Tran
Mrs. Fanett
Independent Study English
24 May 1995

Uncle Scrooge McDuck
An American Epic Hero

In 1987, the animated Disney television series Duck Tales was launched,
marking the passing of a torch to another generation. It introduced thousands
of young children and reminded many old of the adventures of one Scrooge
McDuck,
a tightwad Scottish millionaire, the Richest Duck in the World. The show's
roots date back to 1947, when an anonymous comic book writer / artist named
Carl
Barks created Scrooge McDuck as a bit character in a Donald Duck Christmas
story. The character's popularity grew, and around the world Uncle Scrooge
is a
familiar name to any sophisticated comic book fan ("Barks, Carl" 39-40).
Carl's
character had a profound influence in America as well. "In its day, 'Uncle
Scrooge' was in fact America's best selling comic book -- an early shared
influence on a generation that would later, in the '60s, revolt against the
uptight tedium of everyday affluence " (Miller 76). Uncle Scrooge McDuck, ". .
. the embodiment of home-grown pluck and made-in-U.S.A. materialism" (Cocks 78)
deserves the status of an American Epic Hero, as his life story fits the
characteristics of traditional national epics, ". . . Scrooge and his creator
Carl Barks belong in the great mainstream of American folklore" (78). Scrooge
McDuck's life story, as chronicled in Don Rosa's serial, "The Life and Times of
Scrooge McDuck", and Carl Barks' tale "Only a Poor Old Duck" contain the
characteristics of a literary epic, including the epic hero: Scrooge McDuck.

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-TOMMY TRAN
ttt_42 at mail.utexas.edu

P.S. Another conspiracy society would be the Illuminati. Just thought
I'd say so.

P.P.S. I recieved a 90 out of 100 on this paper (for the numerous grammer
errors, but what do you expect at 2:00 in the morning).
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