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Cdoberman
Well, I picked up WDGiant and have now read my first Fethry story. And my
opinion is this: Bland, without any purpose beyond what Huey, Dewey and Louie
would have served, and they would have been much more interesting too. The
story was fine, but we don't need to lose the ducklings in favor of this
mundane stork, or whatever he is.

And as for Ferioli's stories -- well, I've said it here before, but I think
he's the best mouse artist we've seen in 30 years. I love his style and look
forward to seeing many more of his stories in upcoming issues.

By the way, what happened to the art in the last three panels of Collosus of
the Nile? It looked suddenly like it had been transmitted through a fax
machine or something.

-- Wes

"But, Mickey! It's SUICIDE! We'll be KILLED! How'll we ever land without
wheels?" -- Captain Doberman

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Mike Pohjola
DAVID:
I read your Sheep story! At first I thought it wasn't too great,
because I was sure I knew the way it would end (actually I thought so
all the time before the last page); Donald would take the wolf to the farm,
be discovered out and fired. It was a real surprise that the sheep were
in the pithole! And the Little Red Ridinghood part was funny, too. And the
part where Donald fell in the two pitholes. The first one was funny, but
the second one really surprised me.

THE BEAGLES:
I just finished a short four page story "Horsing around with
His story" which is a parody of a certain Barks story, which I made to show
Egmont editor-in-chief Byron Erickson the way I draw. In that story I had
Beagles "14152873162227192312", "176-66", "1701" and "176-176=0". So I think
that proves that everybody don't use the same rules. And some of the Beagles
could be wearing another Beagle's shirt or they could be disguised as another
Beagle by changing the number...

--

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Deckerd
On Mar 14, 1:03pm, (Email removed) wrote:
> Subject: Coloring of the fourth nephew
> In article <(Email removed)> (Email removed) writes:
>
> > Some colorist had to color Phooey, so it's funny the mistake
> > wasn't noticed at that point.
>
> The nephews don't wear caps in that panel, so they all look alike.
>
That explains that! It still seems to me the colorist (if nobody
else) should have noticed, since the colorist would be paying
closer attention to the art than anybody.

--Dwight Decker
David A Gerstein
WES:
Fethry is also a duck (isn't he referred to as "Fethry DUCK"
in the first panel? Without the capital letters that is ;-)
And I thought Fethry, with his Britishisms and slang, was a
refreshing change to have now and then. The best stories using him
have yet to see print here, though. I'm particularly fond of one
where he comes to Donald's house claiming he's now an efficiency
expert. He "remodels" Donald's household and even his diet in an
effort to improve things. He's sort of a Laurel to Donald's Hardy
(and sure enough, in the last panel, Donald is chasing Fethry
furiously down the street). It's an Italian story, one which I may
rework for Gladstone one of these days.
The last page of "Colossus of the Nile" did not exist in
black-and-white proof form and had to be restored from a digest, as
did the last page of the first part and the first page of the second.
This is why it has not been printed by Gladstone until now (there
weren't even these restored versions of the pages until recently).

David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
ADSFAF
I believe the Menehunes story as Don called it was entitled Hawaiian
Hideaway(forgive my spelling but I am writing this at 2 in the morning.I have
no idea whether this was the
name Mr.Barks gave it or if it was justgiven that title by the editors of the
Digest I received it in.Also,can't wait to the conclusion of Mr.Rosa's
Treasury of King Croesos.
Jyrki Vainio
DON D. & DON R.

The point about Duckburgian embassy was an interesting one and it
reminded me about one other thing that puzzled me at the time I
first saw it: in Don R's Lillehammer story Donald was chosen to
be Duckburg's representative in the Olympic Games. Was this just
some odd choice of words or was it like that in the original
script as well? Why was it so? And if it wasn't it still seem a
bit strange that a member of the American contingent of the
Olympics was to be chosen in a local tournament like that.

--- Jyrki Vainio ---
Cdoberman
Heffalump:

At first, I was opposed to your comments on Don's Donald, but you may have
some valid (if not tactful) points. However, in several Rosa stories, Donald
is the catalyst of action. In other stories, when Scrooge is the main
character, Donald does have true moments of heroism, the most vivid in my
mind being War of the Wendigo. Other Essential Donald stories include "From
Duckburg to Lillehammer," "Super Snooper Strikes Again," "Cash Flow," and
"Recalled Wreck." Can anyone else think of others?

-- Wes

"But, Mickey! It's SUICIDE! We'll be KILLED! How'll we ever land without
wheels?" -- Captain Doberman

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Don Rosa
WES:

Nice of you to defend my use of Donald, but I am in partial agreement with
the critic on that count. Being primarilly a fan of the $crooge adventures,
I DO seem to treat Donald as just a comedy-relief sidekick, and therefore I
inadvertantly often find myself giving the meaningful dialogue and
activities to $crooge and the Kids, while I find little to do with Donald
but use him for prattfalls and deadpan comments on how useless he sees any
quest for riches or knowledge. I don't mean to say I think this is correct,
but I do know it is a rut I easilly fall into, and I try to watch myself.

...But I think I have, on a few occaisions, made excellent use of Donald as
the hero. My whole purpose of"Super Snooper Strikes Again" was expressly to
prove that Donald is the most noble of all the Ducks in Duckburg, and that
was also part of the message in "The Duck Who Never Was". He's the hero in
"The Once and Future Duck" (which is yet to be printed), and the "War of the
Wendigo" which you site (which is yet to be seen in America, if ever). But
one you didn't mention where I thought I did an especially nice job with
Donald is in "Return to Xanadu" where he saves everyone in Tralla La through
sheer determination and will, though he thinks he's sacrificing his own life
to do so. I can't see how to give him a better part in a story than that.

But it might help me to see someone write an "essay" on just how noble a
character Donald is made out in all those 10-pagers. I probably just don't
catch the nuances myself. He's usually shown as too proud or arrogant or
beligerent or vengeful or selfish or jealous or greedy or having his actions
controlled by about two dozen more of the 7 Deadly Sins. But that's why I
like him! What nobility he has might be the simple nobility of the common
man, which is rather vague, but no less real... and I think that was the
idea I was trying to highlight in "Super Snooper Strikes Again".

But (and that's the third paragraph to begin with that word) -- I DO think
I'm not diligent enough for finding a reason for Donald to exist in the
$crooge adventures, and I'll keep trying to improve along those lines.

JYRKI:

Of course it was inexplicable as to why Duckburg would send a special
contingent to the Winter Olympics in my story, since I regard Duckburg as
simply a common, mid-sized American city. But the Norwegian editor (and my
good friend) naturally wanted a story where I dealt with the actual Olympics
in Norway, and I don't blame him. Actually, in my first draft of the story,
I was just saying that Duckburg was having try-outs for the American Olympic
teams, and that was to be it. But then Norway wanted me to actually set the
end of the story in Lillehammer, and I was at a loss as to explain why an
American city would have an Olympic presence as if it were an entire
country. But, as glad as I was to do that story for the Norwegian publisher
and the Norwegian Duck fans, I've always said it was rather awkward to
handle and NOT one of my better jobs.
TWAdair
I'm just letting everyone know that this is the same Torsten who used to
reside at cwis.unomaha.edu, and not some evil twin.

Oh, yes. A few issues ago, Comics Buyer's Guide, in a recap of their
history, reproduced a cartoon that Don Rosa had drawn in celebration of Carl
Barks' 90th birthday. Just thought you all would like to know. Perhaps Keno
can place it on his web site?

Torsten Adair (Email removed)
Mike Pohjola
WES AND HEFFALUMP:

There is one Don Rosa's Scrooge story that especially caught my eye
with having Donald be such a hero was Return to Xanadu, where Donald is friendly
and strong and big and gourageous and everything. Rather surpsided me.

--

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Tryg Helseth
DON M.

> There is only one U.S. state that the Mississippi River actually goes
>through, Louisiana, and only a small area in the southern part is on the East

Hmmm.... Yes, if by "through" you mean the river both enters and leaves the
state. I don't know if that is the exact interpretation used by the FCC,
though, as Minnesota uses both letters; the river originates in northwest
region of the state at Lake Itasca and travels diagonally to the Eastern
border. "Itasca," BTW, is an acronym from the Latin words "verITAS CAput"
which means "true head."

> Also, before the Mississippi was officially designated as the dividing
>line, several East Coast stations got call letters starting with K, and those

So the letters were derived before the division line was set? Then do you
know the answer to Harry's question as to what "W" and "K" are derived
from?

I'll bet if you asked someone in Calisota they would say they are
derived from the first and last letters in "Wak!" :)

Tryg

"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" --the Beach Drakes

Tryg Helseth <(Email removed)> Minneapolis, MN, USA
or <(Email removed)>
Henri Sivonen
I was surfing the Web and found a site advertising Citizen Kane
<http://www.voyagerco.com:80/CC/ph/p.citizenkane.html>. Those who haven't
seen the movie can download a QuickTime clip from the beginning of the
movie. There's a reference to this scene in Lo$ #12. Don't wait too much
though, the clip is too short.

-- ___
Henri Sivonen / \
(Email removed) WWW (renewed): | h_|
Fax: +358-0-479387 http://www.clinet.fi/~henris \__

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Tryg Helseth
HENRI:

>I was surfing the Web and found a site advertising Citizen Kane [...]
>movie. There's a reference to this scene in Lo$ #12.

I remember Don using the Citizen Kane theme in another drawing long ago.
It was in the masthead of his "Information Center" column that ran in the
long defunct RBCC. The masthead depicted Don's mother throwing his
childhood treasures on a fire. One of those items was a sled that
"Rosabud" on it.

Tryg

"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" --the Beach Drakes

Tryg Helseth <(Email removed)> Minneapolis, MN, USA
or <(Email removed)>
Anders Engwall
David Gerstein on some Fethry story:

> I'm particularly fond of one
> where he comes to Donald's house claiming he's now an efficiency
> expert. He "remodels" Donald's household and even his diet in an
> effort to improve things. [...] It's an Italian story, one which I
> may rework for Gladstone one of these days.

Hey, that sounds like a rework of an old S-coded classic by Al Hubbard
(code: S 64038, Swedish publication: KA 1/1965). In fact, Hubbard even did
another one with a "effectiveness theme" (S 64033, KA 43/65), although that
one is not limited to Donald's household. Two of the great ones, alright.

---
Anders Engwall

"Alle man står still som en stum fisk, tills vi hittar den knyckta stångkorven!"
Marco Barlotti
My e-mail was not working for over a week, and I am slowly getting old
digests. But I would like to point out to
DON R.
that $crooge's first dime was indeed always called a DIME in Italian
translations; ALWAYS, if you discard those horrible (not only in my
hopinion, I am glad to see) stories from the 60's with Magica and Mim
together. Always a DIME! (Apart from a strange sort of merchandising which I
always regarded as essentially non-Disney...).
In the same "Zio Paperone" which has been publishing reprints of all of
Barks' stories (a sort of Italian CBL but very cheap ;-))... in the same
"Zio Paperone" the dime was called a DIME, not a cent!
But then, of course, they used the old translations for Barks' stories.
However, what I gather from the translation of Lo$ is that, at least, the
translator didn't even read the previous issues of that same "Zio Paperone"...
Don, you ask me whether I spotted other mistakes in the translation. I must
say, how could I, without the original dialogues??? Only major, self-evident
mistakes can be spotted. And just the same, the two that I could see I
didn't like at all. Mistaking Pothole's book with Lo$ meant introducing an
out-of-place self-reference which I hardly should judge to be "true to your
original meaning".
(Wouldn't you be able to e-mail me the English dialogues of, say, part 1 and
part 2, just to let me judge the translation on solid grounds?)

Marco Barlotti

"Here's the first billion I've ever made - Down at the bottom of the pile,
where it's been for seventy years!" (Walt Disney's Comics and Stories 130,
7/1951)
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