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Jyrki Vainio
MIKE & DAVID:

I could have _sworn_ that the sometimes-described-as-the-dumbest
Beagle was 176-176! Have they changed his number at some point?
Or do they do that here in Finland? I mean, _I_ can't be wrong,
can I??

--- Still believing in the conspiracy theory, Jyrki ---
Jakob Soederbaum
LUTZ:

Where are you?! Gotta talk to ya, and I don't have yer address
anymore, since my inbox was deleted! Please send me a message, and
*fast*!

See ya!
---

Greetings from Jakob

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End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #50
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Don Rosa
ARTHUR:
No, I did not know about that article in the February PICSOU! It would be a
shock if one of these editors actually contacted me before writing an
article about me, if only to check their facts. And you're right -- the
Barks/VanHorn story appeared in all the many Egmont countries long before
America or Holland -- see, it's mistakes like that which make me wish these
editors would call me and check some facts. I wonder what booboos might have
been in their Rosa article? Have you mentioned -- can YOU read French? Could
I persuade you to do me a rough translation and send it by private e-mail?

Yes! PICSOU is very nice, and, yes, KOMIX is even better. But have you seen
Italy's ZIO PAPARONE (Uncle $crooge) -- I think that might be the best
European Disney comic, or at worst a tie with KOMIX. For those who haven't
seen them, those two are very similar to Gladstone's new WDC&S format, but
much cheaper (because they have more buyers).

ALL:
I had hoped Dan Shane would remind you to check his web-foot-page now that
it's virtually completed. Annotations on all 12 chapters of the "Lo$" are
loaded in, along with as many original script pages and b&w original-art
shots as he could fit into the current computer space. As he said, when more
space is available, we can make more additions and he can clarify the
graphics, but I thought the script pages were pretty nice now. Perhaps Jyrki
(is that who it was?) is viewing through a small monitor? But the b&w art is
what currently has lots of missing pixels since it had to be further reduced
after scanning. Anyway, here's the address...

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dan_shane/
Arthur De Wolf
DON ROSA:
Well, I can read a LITTLE French. Me and my dictionary have translated
the article for you. I've sent it to you in private email!

What will be your next project for Dan Shane's homepage, now that
you've finished the "Life of Scrooge"-section?

Bye!

Arthur
Edge
Several contributors make reference to the web sites they are maintaining
about Disney comics. It would be helpful if these messages included the
URL, to help others not familiar with the site locate them. I would love
to check them out.

Thanks,
Ron

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Per Starback
Ron Edge:
As I recently wrote the URL of the Disney comics web pages associated
with this list is

http://www.update.uu.se/~starback/disney-comics

and I include links there to everything else I find on the net about
Disney comics.
David A Gerstein
ARTHUR:
I hate to bring this one up, but I had to do it sooner or
later. When I was in France last year I found that Disney comics were
pariahs in a similar manner to here in the U. S. -- except that in
France it's a more similar type of comic, Asterix types of things,
which are held as superior, whereas here it's superhero comics that
the hordes find to be better. (I'll take Asterix over any superhero,
any day, and I'll hit anyone with a fish who disagrees, but that's a
different story ;-)
I couldn't find a single French comic shop that carried any
Disney back issues or even current issues. I was told that such
childish things were only at newsstands, while the comic shops carried
more sophisticated stuff, like Asterix.
It seems shocking that in a country where humorous comics are
among the most accepted, Disneys should not be (although granted, they
are popular enough with young children -- unlike here -- that they are
doing a respectable business and are in no danger of dying).
I gave my French cousins a copy of LO$ 5 in French (which I
picked up while I was there) to read. They found the articles and
such (standard PICSOU historical-text pieces) interesting, but felt
that the translations of the stories themselves were completely banal
and juvenile. Hardly any wordplay, I was told -- vastly inferior to
Asterix, Lucky Luke, etc. This, I was told, was why Disney comics are
not popular with older folks in France. Even though, my cousins
admitted, there was clearly a lot of work put into the LO$ (natch!)
Will anyone else confirm this? Can someone else explain why a
country that values humor comics very highly, not to mention old
cartoons including Disney's shorts, would scorn Disney comics in its
"real-comic-fans" market?

ALL:
WALT DISNEY GIANT 5 is superb IMHO. Byron's Mickey story is
far and away the best one he's ever done, with all kinds of great gags
and situations in a wonderfully weird adventure ("Fantasy Island").
I personally loved the Cavazzano Fethry story afterward.
Donald and Fethry are sent in search of a box of chocolates made in
one of Scrooge's factories into which a valuable gem was accidentally
dropped; sounds a bit like the taffy story from Barks, but all the
gags are completely different, so it's not a steal. Gladstone's
rewriter opens it with a caption stating something like "Fethry Duck,
Donald's cousin from overseas, has dropped by for a visit..." The
writer took some cues from the beatnik dialect of Fethry's few 1960s
US appearances, but softened it considerably; he also adds a few
Britishisms to suggest where the character's home is ("Fethry" is an
English name). I imagine Fethry talking like a Liverpudlian now,
which goes very well with his appearance somehow. For me, this is
Fethry the way he ought to be.
UNCLE SCROOGE ADVENTURES 38 (second part of "Colossus") is
just as I intended it, except that Scrooge calling Donald a "cretin"
in one panel became "dope" (which IMHO sounds harsher) and that a
pistol was redrawn as a flare gun on one page (necessitating some
extra dialogue in two panels which doesn't sound like my style of
writing). The pistol remains a pistol on the last page though (oops).
Also there is an article from Alberto Becattini about the
story; mostly good except that some quotes are given in direct English
translation from the original, and Gladstone didn't replace them with
my rewrites so may leave readers wondering what parts of the story are
being referred to.
IMHO "Colossus" is Scarpa's best Duck story that I have ever
read, and for whatever it's worth, it's also the one Disney altered
the least of any dialog job I've ever had published.

David Gerstein
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Mike Pohjola
ALL:
Is there any mentions of where did the families of Ducks, Ganders,
Coots etc. come from to America? The McDucks were from Scotland, of course,
and Ganders I'd place in Holland (because Alexander van der Gander sounds so
nice) but the others..? Where did Grandma Ducks family (and Clinton Coot
in particular) come from?

DAVID:
I own the admirable amount of one Fernandez-Block storie. "The Mystery
of Widow's Gap". When reading it, I did notice some little effort that was
made to make the nephews distinguishable (one got a necklace) but I noticed
nothing special with their personalities. You having read those stories more,
could perhaps enlighten me a bit by telling me how are RF and PB trying to
make the HDL look like. (my, what poetry)

JYRKI:
Check again, pal! The main three Beagles (who are the ones that have
personalities) are 176-671, 176-167 and 176-761. So 176-176 is not the dumb
one.
Congratulations on the publication of your Don Rosa list. Hopefully
someday I, too, will get my name in the same article as Don's.

--

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Henri Sivonen
A friend pointed of this detail:
The Don Rosa checklist published in today's Aku Ankka isn't complete. It
lacks the Lillehammer story (at least).

David,

> All I wanted to note was that there is another D-code, D9904
>"Gammel g{ld" which could be the one I'm thinking of, too. In number
>3/1990.

This one is about an old loan. BTW, $crooge lives in a mansion in that story.

Arthur,

Horsing Around... was printed here in AA 1/95. That was before U$A #33.

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TIGGER-N-POOH
what do not any of you people like winnie the pooh?
marnada
--
tigger
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David A Gerstein
EVERYONE:
Good news, John Clark just told me that Egmont Mickey stories
will remain a regular feature of DDM for the present time. After "The
Trojan Horse" in DDM 6 we'll have Michael Gilbert's "Plastic-Mickey"
(YEEESSS!) in #7 and then something called "The Big Sleep" in #8 (does
anyone know who is responsible for this, or any likely candidates for
what story is under discussion?)

David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
"Have a chestnut, boys! ... OW!"
Arthur De Wolf
Hi!

DAVID:
I always thought France has pretty good Disney comics. There's
ofcourse Picsou, but also the VERY popular "Le Journal de Mickey" which
runs since 1934! France actually makes a LOT of stories for this comic.
Maybe you just were unlucky when you visited those comic shops and maybe
you're right. I've been to France many times, but never visited a comic
shop, so I can't judge your statement. I never paid any attention to the
'popularity' of Disney comics in France, but I've always seen PILES of
French Disney comics at newsstands and bookshops.
To give you some figures (which I have from the "Disney comics
advertising guide Europe & Middle East"): 'Le Journal de Mickey' has
an average readership of 730,000 people. That's quite much, isn't it?
Picsou Magazine though, has an average sales of 233,000 issues and an
average readership of 821,000 and it's the top-selling monthly in France!
Next to these two most popular comics, there are PLENTY of other Disney
comics available like Mickey Parade (a 194-page monthly pocket), which
has an average readership of 'ONLY' 490,000. (That's still half-a-million
people, reading Disney-comic-pockets with 'only' Italian stories!).
I was saying that Picsou Magazine had the most readers, but I was
wrong. I now see that 'Super Picsou Geant' has an average readership
of 1,040,000 people! (BTW: more figures on French Disney comics can be
found on: <http://www.pi.net/~wolfman/disney/europe/france.html>! Don't
expect to much of my homepage. It's still under construction and most
of it does NOT work yet!)
So maybe you're saying that Disney comics in France are similar
to the ones in the U.S., but does one single Disney comic in the States
have over 1 million readers? Ofcourse, it's true that comics like Asterix,
Tintin and Bob et Bobette are FAR and FAR more popular in France than
Disney comics are, but I don't think you can underestimate the popularity
of Disney comics in France that way.
E.g. in Holland, Disney comics ARE very popular. Almost every comic-
shop has hundreds, if not THOUSANDS of back-issues. But 9 out of 10
Dutchmen still think Disney comics are childish and therefore prefer
comicalbums like Asterix and the ones I mentioned above. When I'm
reading a Disney comic in a public place, everyone looks strange at me,
because a person of my age is reading such a childish magazine. But when
I visit a comic-convention, people of all ages buy back-issues from the
50s for hundreds of guilders and we all know that Disney comics are VERY
popular in the Netherlands! You see? You can't judge the popularity of
Disney comics in France by testing at random!

WALT DISNEY GIANT #5:
Why did they remove Don's Mickey? I thought his Mickey on the
original drawing was even better. And have you seen what they wrote under
Donald's painting? "the Dude" in stead of "the Duck"!
Bye!

Arthur
Cdoberman
Marnada:

I think probably a lot of us like Winnie the Pooh (and Tigger, too), but this
list is about Disney Comics, and for whatever reason, Pooh doesn't show up
very often in Disney Comics. I for one would enjoy seeing more of him in
Walt Disney Comics and Stories.
ALL: Is there any single writer or artist who made Pooh his/her specialty?

-- Wes

"But, Mickey! It's SUICIDE! We'll be KILLED! How'll we ever land without
wheels?" -- Captain Doberman
Harry Fluks
MIIKE:
> Is there any mentions of where did the families of Ducks, Ganders,
> Coots etc. come from to America?

I would say the Coots come from Holland. Original name: Van Cooten.
Came to New Amsterdam, Harlem or Brooklyn in the 17th century.

> Congratulations on the publication of your Don Rosa list. Hopefully
> someday I, too, will get my name in the same article as Don's.

Please tell us poor non-Finns more about what you're talking about.
Jyrki did a Finnish Rosa index (or article?) in the regular Aku Ankka
weekly?

(BTW: Does someone have a Finnish Rosa index in electronic form for me?)

--Harry.
Harry Fluks
Arthur wrote:
> In the
> article, it is said that "Horsing around ..." appeared for the very FIRST
> time in the American Uncle Scrooge Adventures, and for the second
> time in the Dutch Donald Duck weekly. Is that true?

Maybe they said (or meant to say) that the story was in those
issues *in its entirety* for the first time? The Egmont countries
published the story in parts, didn't they?
(But what about that Italian issue?)

--Harry.
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