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Fluks, H.W.
Halsten:

> But what about the Daisy Duck Diary story "The Dainty Daredevil" first
> published in Walt Disney's Comics Digest 5, November 1968?
> Was it written before retirement?

It was not written by Barks, so *when* it was written is not that relevant.
But the story was indeed *drawn* by Barks *after* his retirement. ("All
regular artists were too busy or on holiday.")

--Harry.
Francois Willot
Halsten a =E9crit:

> But what about the Daisy Duck Diary story "The Dainty Daredevil" first
> published in Walt Disney's Comics Digest 5, November 1968? Was
> it written before retirement?

It was only drawn by Barks (and it's the last one both pencilled and
inked by Barks I guess) on June 1968.

Francois
Francois Willot
>> > e) "The dirty mountain", H-7910, art by Daan Jippes, story by
>> > Byron Erickson (according to KOMIX).
>>
>> 8-(
>> They could at least have *mentioned* Freddy Milton.
>
>Not if the Gladstone credits said something along the lines of
>"American script by Byron Erickson"!

I think the Gladstone credits, in those times, were a bit unclear.
Recently "Zio Paperone" credited a Danish story to Geoffrey Blum if I
remember right. But as far as I know, Blum only wrote the dialogues in
the English version of the story.

Perhaps Disney Italia used that script when translating it in Italian (I
remember Luca told us here that they once used the Gladstone version),
and that's why they credit G. Blum.

The last ZP by the way, features a very very interesting article about
Dick Moores. I see that his "Disney period" was quite short in fact, and
that he drew only a few stories.
(This is part of a series of articles about more or less "forgotten"
Disney artists. The first article was about Bradbury).

Francois
Fluks, H.W.
Kriton:

>>> e) "The dirty mountain", H-7910, art by Daan Jippes, story by
>>> Byron Erickson (according to KOMIX).
>> They could at least have *mentioned* Freddy Milton.
> Not if the Gladstone credits said something along the lines of
> "American script by Byron Erickson"!

Yes, but Milton also *drew* part of the story, and *inked* the entire thing!

Francois:

> The last ZP by the way, features a very very interesting article about
> Dick Moores.

Ah... Dick Moores. His drawing style may look peculiar, but his stories are
always of high quality. I happened to read a few of them last week (while
indexing the comics...).

--Harry.
Halsten =?iso-8859-1?Q?Aastebøl?=
At 12:41 04.05.99 +0100, Fluks, H.W. wrote:
>Halsten:
>
>> But what about the Daisy Duck Diary story "The Dainty Daredevil" first
>> published in Walt Disney's Comics Digest 5, November 1968?
>> Was it written before retirement?
>
>It was not written by Barks, so *when* it was written is not that relevant.
>But the story was indeed *drawn* by Barks *after* his retirement. ("All
>regular artists were too busy or on holiday.")
>
>--Harry.
>

Err.. Oh my memory! Of course Barks never wrote the script to a Daisy Duck
Diary story! But this should mean that "The Dainty Daredevil" is the last
comic *drawn* by Barks.

Halsten
Luca Boschi
Hi, all!
Francois Willot wrote:

> I think the Gladstone credits, in those times, were a bit unclear.
> Recently "Zio Paperone" credited a Danish story to Geoffrey Blum if I
> remember right. But as far as I know, Blum only wrote the dialogues in
> the English version of the story.

It's right.

> I
> remember Luca told us here that they once used the Gladstone version

I confirm this. But now, if nothing of strange happens in Disney, the
problem should be solved, all the credits are "corrected" by Alberto
(and something by me directly when the stories are asked).

> The last ZP by the way, features a very very interesting article about
> Dick Moores.

The reason of this e-mail is this. I think that Disney fans should be
very happy about the ZP politics about classics artists. The Alberto's
one is the very first article on Moores to be published in a magazine
with a so large diffusion. The first one in all the world! And in the
next months the introductions in "Gli altri Paperoni" go on: Phil
DeLara, Riley Thompson, Al Hubbard, Vic Lockman... All with
chronologies, pictures, photos (where it's possible). An author a
month; and when the artists (or "total cartoonists") shall be
reviewed, we shall pass to the story men (Don Christensen, Dick
Kinney...)

I see that his "Disney period" was quite short in fact, and
> that he drew only a few stories.

No. Some lines written by Alberto in his introduction were "cut" in
the editing process. Alberto explained that those are ONLY the stories
with the Ducks! There are some stories with Mice, Goofy, Brer
Rabbit... And alla the things Moores made for the Syndicate.

> (This is part of a series of articles about more or less "forgotten"
> Disney artists. The first article was about Bradbury).

A "new" old Scrooge's story by him in the December's issue.
Bye,
Luca
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
KRITON:

>We must be raiding the same used comics bin, as I bought "KLASIKA" #121 only
>a couple of weeks ago. Indeed, a great story!

I'm raiding the downtown Thessaloniki kiosks and a couple of specialty
stores that sprung up in the past few years. I can only dream about
Monastiraki in Athens (albeit with rather steep prices), and all the secret
"comics-holes" that exist in the greater Athens area. But one of these days,
I'll make it down there!

>I remember back when I learnt about Carl Barks, when I would flip through
>my stack of old greek Mickey Mouse comics, setting aside any stories that I
>recognized as being in his style. These days I do the same for Romano Scarpa
>in used book stores! It is surprising how many good stories had been printed
>in Greece in the more than thirty years that their being published in this
>country.

I'm now pretty much convinced that if I were able to get my hands on all the
published MM and KLASIKA issues, I'd have a complete Scarpa reprint
collection, plus the great majority of Carpi's, De Vita's, and Cavazzano's
works.

NISSE:

>What a good idea - and thanks a lot for this weeks informative and
>entertaining report.
>
>Is it possible, that these story-reports can be saved somewhere on the
>internet pages? It could be a place to go, if you are looking for a good
>story to read next!

Thanks so much for your kind remarks; but beware! these stories will simply
be samples of my personal taste, and hence, not a good guide for "a good
story to read next" for everybody!

HARRY TO ME:

>> KOMIX #131, May 1999, features the following:
>> a) A cover by Daan Jippes.
>
>Which one?

I guess it's taken from an old Gladstone cover: it shows Donald on his "313"
looking askance at a bunch of trash thrown on the back of his car from one
nephew atop a tree holding a trash-can, as the other two nephews in front of
him hold a "Car Wash" sign.

>> d) "Hang-Gliding Race": A 2-page reprint of the full text to
>> Barks' "Hang
>> Gliders Be Hanged". Rough Barks drawings are also shown.
>
>Rough Barks drawings? Did Barks do these for Egmont? Were these published in
>the Carl Barks Library?

Yes, two colored roughs: one shows Donald dancing with Daisy; the other
shows Donald running wild. My guess is these were published in the CBL. Not
sure if they're from "Hang Gliders Be Hanged".

>> h) "The Beagle Boys": a 1-page editorial from "The Archives of KOMIX"
>
>It sounds to me that "the archives of Komix" is more like "the archives of
>Gladstone"...

Hmm...I can't recall Gladstone comics ever having a similar column, but I
can be wrong. Did it probably appear in the CBL? I don't own all the volumes
of this. "The Archives of KOMIX" is a sort of information column, giving
info on the various characters wrt identity, residence, relatives, allies,
opponents, creator, first appearance, and names in various languages.

Cheers,

Archontis

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End of Disney comics Digest V99 Issue #83
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Paolo Castagno
Hello again,

Luca Boschi wrote:
> you didn't like the exhibition held in Rome to celebrate the
> 50th birthday of "Topolino". This opinion by yourself is
> very interesting, because maybe it reflects that one of
> many "addetti ai lavori".

Well, thanks for the "addetti ai lavori" :-))

BTW, there were also interesting things, but very few... Last
time I forgot to tell about a letter sent by Mario Gentilini to
Luciano Bottaro about "Zio Paperone e il telescrocco", where is
suggested the idea to substitute Ludwig von Drake to Hazel Witch,
proposing also his (Gentilini's) point of view for the characters
change. That's interesting... BTW, *WHY* did Gentilini sent this
letter to Bottaro, since the story author seems to be Chendi?

> Ahi, ahi! I'll go to visit it only in the days of
> Expocartoon. For me it's impossible to go to Rome earlier.

Then maybe we'll meet in Expocartoon: it seems to me that this
year edition is going to be a very anonymous one: no one talks
about it, and also on "Comic Art" web pages there was nothing
last week about this exhibition!
...On a second thought, it isn't so bad if there won't be many
visitors: I'll have an easier life in looking for my missing
comics! ;-)

> > There are original panels from Italian stories,
>
> Original artworks, you mean! With Federico Fiecconi they
> were chosen by myself, in the Disney Archives, around
> Piacenza. There are some old (very old) Bottaro's and
> carpi's stuff which I found extremely interesting.

100% agree! One of the more interesting things about original
artworks is to see the notes written on them, such as in the
opening panel of "Paperino e la tabacchiera dell'Imperatore",
where original lettering says "Dannazione delle dannazioni"
(="damn and damnation"), and the editor (?) proposed "Sembra
incredibile" (="It seems incredible"). I don't have the original
edition of that story to check if the editor correction did his
way, but on "I maestri Disney" you (or Lidia?) made the usual
good job in leaving the original text!!
BTW, I have a question: in those early stories, who was the
letterer? The artist himself or someone else at Mondadori's?

> > But there were also 6 very interesting items: original
> > drawings from Scarpa, coloured by Bordini and with the
> > *original signature* of Walt Disney!

> Well, I must give you a disillusion. [...]
> I spoke with Romano Scarpa, last week, in Positano, and he
> confirmed that those signatures were made by himself!!!
> Like in his early comics.

Well, an *original* Scarpa's signature is also interesting!! ;-)

> > BTW, there was also a catalogue, with interesting stuff
> > in it

> I also have not seen it yet. How do you find it? And how much it
> costs? It has been mad "running". But I hope that the graphic care
> values its price. Can you make a short review of it just for us?

I was right in saying that it was interesting! And it didn't cost
me much, just 20.000 Lit. (something like 10 Euro)... If you
think that when I went to visit last week Renoir exhibition its
catalogue was for sale at 180.000 Lit (93 euro)... Well, it isn't
the same thing, but....

BTW, here comes a short review of the catalogue:

Introducing articles from people like Rome's major, the president
of Walt Disney Company Italia, the actual director of Topolino,
etc... (not very interesting, to be honest).

"La fantastica avventura di Topolino Libretto" from Luca Boschi
and Federico Fiecconi: many interesting pages on the story of
"Topolino", from the first issues made by Nerbini to the last
ones.

"I Direttori" from Andrea Sani: a presentation of the publication
directors

"Cinquant'anni di autori ed eroi" from Leonardo Gori: also very
interesting, it is about the "story of the stories" appeared on
Topolino, on how the Italian production started.

"Topi e media" di Gregorio Paolini: a short article (4 pages) on
the influence from the mass media on Topolino stories

"Incontro con i maestri Disney Italiani: Carpi, Scarpa, Bottaro,
Cavazzano, De Vita, Rota" from Lidia Cannatella: a short
presentation of the above mentioned Italian Disney authors, with
a very short interview to each of them

"La mia collezione di Topolino Libretto" from Sergio Pignatone:
well... when I read this I became jealous: this guy has a great,
excellent complete collection of Topolino... and also tells how
he built it... finding comics in warehouses at very low prices...

"I personaggi Disney made in Italy" and "Elenco autori del Disney
made in Italy" both from Alberto Becattini: very interesting
stuff for us indexers!!!

Well, I suppose I bore you enough this time!

Ciao,

- Paolo
http://www.confor.it:2222/disney
Francois Willot
This month in "Picsou":

- cover by Barks (redrawn)
- pin-up page illos. by Don Rosa ("Race to the South Seas")
- "Race to the South Seas" by Carl Barks
- a Rosa story, "Duck Impact" ("The Duck Who Fell to Earth")
- two short Gyro stories by Carl Barks (US 35 & 36)
- "Incident at McDuck Tower" by Don Rosa
- two Donald Duck 10-pagers by Barks (WDC 155 & 163)
- The buffalo Gyro story from OS 1267 by Carl Barks
- early Donald daily strips by Taliaferro (all in b&w)
- two covers (Gladstone and Germany) illustrating "The Duck who Fell to
Earth"

At the end of the magazine, the editors say that "Race to the South
Seas" was not published in France in its complete version. That's not
exact: it was published in the same version as the comics book, long
ago, in "les Belles Histoires de Walt Disney" no. 20 from April 1950.

In future issues "Picsou" will publish "Maharajah Donald", and a certain
censored Barks story with African people, in its ORIGINAL VERSION. That
is, "restaured". I think it is the first time such story is published
since the early 50s! (AFAIK it was only published in the original
comic-book, "Le Journal de Mickey" in France and an "Albo d'Oro" in
Italy long ago).
I guess you all know what story I'm talking about... it's "Darkest
Africa".

Francois
Luca Boschi
Francois Willot wrote:

> In future issues "Picsou" will publish "Maharajah Donald", and a certain
> censored Barks story with African people, in its ORIGINAL VERSION. I think it is the first time such story is published
> since the early 50s!
> I guess you all know what story I'm talking about... it's "Darkest
> Africa".

I hope that also in Italy we'll have the chance to get it back again,
after this publication in France!
Luca
Kriton Kyrimis
ARCHONTIS:

> HARRY TO ME:
> >It sounds to me that "the archives of Komix" is more like "the archives of
> >Gladstone"...

I believe that what Harry meant was that "the archives of Komix", in a
literal sense, i.e., not as a column title, are little more than their
collection of old Gladstones, to which I would tend to agree.

Cheers,

Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"One day I shall come back. Yes, I shall come back. Until then, there must
be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs
and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine."
-----
Don Rosa
From: Mike Pohjola
>>>DON ROSA:
How's that Kalevala story coming along?

Ooooh, sooooo sloooooow. I have finished pencilling it. Now I am ready to start inking. That will take another 5-6 weeks! This is the most complex story I've yet done. For one thing, it's 33 pages long, that's 9 pages longer than normal and 3 pages longer than any Duck story I've yet done. Also, there is a lot of complex art, such as detailed tracings of custom-shot photographs taken around Helsinki for the scenes where Iku-Turso is running wild through town, from the train station to Senate Square. Whew!

>>What are your plans after that one is completed?

Resting.
SRoweCanoe
In a message dated 5/5/99 5:03:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
(Email removed) writes:

> The last ZP by the way, features a very very interesting article about
> Dick Moores. I see that his "Disney period" was quite short in fact, and
> that he drew only a few stories.
> (This is part of a series of articles about more or less "forgotten"
> Disney artists. The first article was about Bradbury).

Well that's wrong. I had some nice talks with Dick Moores about his Disney
comic book work, which he put into two periods; the first he just drew; when
he returned, he was given permission to write his comic stories (this was
when he drew Mickey comic books. He left when he started writing (ghost
writing) Gasoline Alley.
As for the time frame, it was indeed several years. this does not include
his Disney comic strip work. Wonder why they got that wrong?

Steven Rowe
Mikko Kangassalo
I have heard alot about this picsou magazine, and what I want to
know that is it a french magazine, or does it publish stories in
english as well?? And if it does, where can I order it??

Mike Kangassalo

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Fluks, H.W.
Poul Frokjar:

> I think I once read a few lines in an old issue of the Danish
> fanzine "Carl
> Barks & Co" that Barks himself had probably cut down the Horse-Radish
> story down from a larger number of pages. Has others heard /
> read the same?

There have been cuts in other Scrooge stories, but not in the horse-radish
story, as far as we know. The backup story in that same comic (OS #495) has
been changed, for instance. An extensive list of the stories that have been
changed can be found on:
http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/dve/unpub03.htm

--Harry.
http://here.is/inducks
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