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Bhc
TO ALL:

A word on the state of the negotiations over the Disney comics license at
this point: No one's intentions have changed re: Bruce Hamilton's recent
letter to subscribers, but things have proceeded to a stage where
devils-in-the-details swarm like gnats. (Devils-in-the-details always swarm
around business dealings, but they only become really obvious and
irritating when actual decisions loom.) Most will get swatted away in due
course, but the potential for some to turn into giant stinkbugs is very
real.

We remain hopeful, and you should too. Now more than ever.

Jeff Conner wrote:

>>>Nevertheless, I will be eagerly awaiting the next issues of WDC&S and US. I
just hope they stop with that extremely expensive format that killed the
Disney titles before.<<<

If I am to take Jeff's remark as read, the true complexity and seriousness
of the situation has entirely eluded him, and perhaps many others. Has so
much been forgotten?
Olof Gustafsson
Hi!

I recently subscribed to this very readable mailing list, so this'll be my
first mail. Hope you overlook if there's any big mistakes. For the last 3-4
years I've been practising on imitating the Carl Barks drawing style - the
way he draws the ducks, the background and so on. The result is getting
better and better I must say. Aim is to, one day, draw my own Donald Duck
10-pager in perfect Barks style.
I've heard that Barks made some model sheets back in 1949 or something like
that, so my question is if someone on this mailing list knows about this,
how to get copies of it, or similar stuff? Are there any recommendable books
(about the way Barks made his comics, the way he drew them, what pencils he
used, paper and so on) to buy that could help me in my work? I'm thankful if
someone can help me.

Olof Gustafsson

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SRoweCanoe
In a message dated 6/15/99 6:15:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
(Email removed) writes:

> David Gerstein:
> <<
> Yep. Having bought them way back when...
> I believe the issues in question were sold as "Gold Key Comics" when
> they were in magazine stores, book shops, and comic book shops. When you
> bought "Gold Key" copies, you were getting them individually, one at a
time.
> "Whitman" copies, meanwhile, were sold in plastic bags, three to a
> bag, usually in toy stores, gift stores, and department stores.

David believes correctly. Generally these comics were printed at the same
time.

Steven Rowe
Jyrki Vainio
OLOF & BARKS MODEL SHEETS:

Welcome to the list. There's a great German book which in your case might
work as a good reference book, called WER IST CARL BARKS (by Gottfried
Helnwein). It has sections devoted to each of the main characters and each
section has several pages of images taken from Barks's panels which in
some cases have also been enlarged.
Although taking single images out of the perfectly balanced panels might
not always be the best thing to do, IMO this book is a great tribute to
what a great cartoonist Carl Barks is. Seeing page after page of images of
the characters with different emotions and movements shows how Barks is in
COMPLETE control of his characters - he can do ANYTHING with them and make
it believable. Then you can start paying attention to the drawings
themselves, how the pen strikes work, etc...
The book also has his pencil sketches from various stages of work and some
of the model sheets you were looking for.

There's also a book called Carl Barks THE ART OF THE COMIC BOOK by Michael
Barrier which judging by its title might be of some help. I haven't read
this one, though, so I can't tell. Maybe someone else on the list knows.

About imitating Barks's style (or anyone else's style, for the matter) I
must point out that I'm sure you realize that while copying an adored
drawing style to the smallest detail is a time-honored way of finding
your own style (after all, many of the greatest classical artists AND
cartoonists started out ghosting others), imitation is not an answer to
itself. Look at all the Belgian cartoonists who are copying Franquin's
drawings and not developing them any further. Even the mild-mannered
master himself had a word or two to say about people who were copying his
drawings so conciously that you could virtually trace down each detail in
each drawing back to some drawing of HIS.

---Jyrki Vainio, Finland
Don Rosa
From: "Rodney w bowcock jr."
>>>The other day at my local comic shop I was digging through the bargain
boxes in search of Disney gold, when I found a few issues of WDC&S from
the mid/late 70's. (395, 454, 464) Issue 395 was Whitman, but the other
two issues were Gold Key. I always thought that Gold Key's run was
before Whitman, and I know this is the case, but judging by the issues I
bought, it seems Whitman had a small run in between Gold Key's run.

No, here's what happened -- though I won't bother to go check on exact dates and issue numbers when the changes occured:
There was Dell, then Gold key... that much is easy enough, eh? But when Gold Key was wrestling with the fact that the American comics market was failing to the point where it was of no interest to a large company like Western Publishing, they started, in the late 70's, to publish all their comics (Disney and otherwise) in two editions; the Gold Key versions remained distributed to newsstands, but an identical "Whitman" emblem edition was placed in 3-packs in toy stores alongside Whitman/Western's coloring books and such to test this market where the comics would *not* be removed once a month, but would remain until sold, like the coloring and puzzle books. The Whitmans which were duplicates of Gold Key editions can be spotted by the fact they had no issue number above the upper-left emblem, while the Gold Keys did.
When Western decided that the toystore route was the way to go, the Gold Key - newsstand versions were discontinued, and there remained only the Whitman toystore editions... and the issue number now appeared above the emblem, so you can spot the editions that exist only as a Whitman. And eventually Western decided the American comic book market was not for them, which is wonderful, since they had stopped trying to do good Disney comics about 10 years earlier, and their giving it up made it possible for the eventual glory of Gladstone.
Now, there is still a part of this puzzle that none of us understands... and that is WHY are a few Whitman-Disneys virtually impossible to find... those being UNCLE $CROOGE #179, WDC&S #480, DONALD DUCK #222, and one other that I won't mention (since I don't have it yet and I don't want to tip you off until I get one!). We think that these issues were distributed only in Europe and perhaps Canada. There may be other Whitman non-Disneys just as rare, if anyone cares. When someone has an U$ #179 on eBay, it sells for nearly $200. It is the rarest American comic in the last 30 years, maybe more. (Yes, it is *truly* rare... not like the "Platinum Edition"-and-so-forth super-hero comics of recent vintage... those sell for a lot not because they are rare, but because the young buyers are so easilly bamboozled.)
Ole Reichstein Nielsen
OLOF:
>For the last 3-4
>years I've been practising on imitating the Carl Barks drawing style - the
>way he draws the ducks, the background and so on. The result is getting
>better and better I must say. Aim is to, one day, draw my own Donald Duck
>10-pager in perfect Barks style.

There's Barks and there's Barks: presumably you're aiming at the early
50es style, which is generally considered his best? I'd love to see how
you're doing, so how about making a web page with some of your art?
After 3-4 years (what dedication!) you must have something you're not
ashamed to show. :-)

ALL:
Great news about Gemstone - let's all cross our fingers for this to happen!

oLe
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Kriton Kyrimis
HELMUT:

> Our friend Donald Duck is now 65 years old. Here in Europe you get
> with an age of 65 the status as a pensioner. But what's happen in
> Duckburgh ?. Is there a right/claim to be in retire ?

According to Don's "The Duck Who Never Was", one is forcibly retired
at sixty.

Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
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Fluks, H.W.
Jyrki (and Olof):

> There's also a book called Carl Barks THE ART OF THE COMIC
> BOOK by Michael
> Barrier which judging by its title might be of some help.

That book contains articles about Barks' life, and his comic stories in
general. Plus the main part of the book: a very elaborate index of all of
Barks' comic book work (as far as it was known in 1981). Not very much about
his art style(s).

--Harry.
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(Email removed) wrote:

">>>Nevertheless, I will be eagerly awaiting the next issues of WDC&S =
and US. I
just hope they stop with that extremely expensive format that killed the
Disney titles before.<<<

If I am to take Jeff's remark as read, the true complexity and =
seriousness
of the situation has entirely eluded him, and perhaps many others. Has =
so
much been forgotten?"

I'm sure Jeff Conner oversimplified the situation, but there can be no =
doubt that the prestige format books contributed to the decision for =
many to quit buying on a regular basis, myself included. When I buy =
comics, I want to buy comics. It is hard enough to get used to the idea =
of paying $2.00 for comics I grew up buying for pennies, let alone =
breaking a ten-spot each time I want to read only one story in an issue.

I would be amazed to hear anyone deny that $7.00 regular issues (and =
little or no choice of lesser-priced books) doesn't hurt both the =
consumer and the publisher.

Dan Shane ((Email removed))
Francesco Spreafico
Arthur Faria Jr wrote:

> I am searching for this story in my Brazilian collection but
> so far I couldn't find it. I'm curious about where Disney
> appears in a parody of Fellini's "La Strada" movie... Is he
> the story's presenter or something like that?

No.. actually the story is about Fellini going to Hollywood... he dreams the
parody while he's on the plane:)
And then meets Disney in Disneyland

Sprea
Rodney W Bowcock Jr.
I can't believe people are hoping that Gladstone isn't going to go with
the deluxe format books. I honestly don't care either way, as long as
some books come out. But, the Deluxe format books were the finest Disney
books to ever be released in America. I think that as long as there are
inexpensive titles for the casual reader, there is a place for the
beautiful deluxe books. But, I repeat as long as there are new books
coming out I won't be complaining. I wonder what fans did in
84-86...........

rodney bowcock

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>Rodney Bowcock writes:
>two issues were Gold Key. I always thought that Gold Key's run was
>before Whitman, and I know this is the case, but judging by the issues I
>bought, it seems Whitman had a small run in between Gold Key's run.

>Germund Silvegren: (via Harry Fluks)
> To mess things up, some issues can be found with both logos.

>David Gerstein: (via Harry Fluks)
> I believe the issues in question were sold as "Gold Key Comics" when
>they were in magazine stores, book shops, and comic book shops. When you
>bought "Gold Key" copies, you were getting them individually, one at a time.
> "Whitman" copies, meanwhile, were sold in plastic bags, three to a bag

Yes, those "Whitman Samplers" were around during most of the '70s, as I
recall, and were the sole heir of Disney comics when Western Publishing
pulled the Gold Key line. I often searched those department stores for the
Whitmans in hopes of finding an issue I may have otherwise missed on the
newsstand. At the time, many collectors considered only the comics with
the Gold Key emblem to be true collectables, though the only difference was
the logo in the corner. "Bags of three--let them be," was the cry. The
Whitman versions of the comic digests were slightly different, however, as
they had a blank back cover instead of an advertisement. This may be due
to them being re-published at a later date.

When the Gold Key label disappeared, leaving just the Whitman bagged
versions, many collectors had to scramble to keep current. Not only did
you have to buy one or two comics you didn't want to get the one you
needed, you could not rely on a single source to get all the issues. A
particular store would get the rack filled with new bags, then not refill
it until most were sold. If this process took more than a month (which it
usually did) then you would miss issues. Worse than that, some areas would
not get particular issues at all. Finally Western started releasing the
Whitmans as single issue to comic book stores--but it was too late. Sales
apparently had slumped so much they discontinued the comics soon after
that. It wasn't until Gladstone emerged that we saw Disney comics again in
the US.

I remember that period well because a friend of mine, Mike, who was also a
Duck fan, committed suicide about a month after the comics stopped. It
wasn't because of the comics stopping the he took his own life, but I am
sure it didn't help. In the last conversation I had with him before his
death I had brought up the subject demise of the Disney comics. Mike's
only comment was, "It's the end of an era." I had no idea how true that
would be with respect to his own life and the people that knew him.
Can't help but think of him whenever anyone mentions Whitman comics.

Tryg
Anders Chr. Sivebaek
Hi folks
yesterday I graduated. That meant a party, where one naturally gets
presents. some of them were disney-related. two weeklies and a pocket from
our neighbours, some old weeklies from my cousin, who had borrowed them
some time.
I got a pcakge with the mail the other day (Thanks Birte!) with 3 great
children-disney-books, about the north pole, disneyland and how to take
care in the house and in traffic.
One of my other cousin has lived in Surinam so he could help me read some
of the ducth albums Duco send (hello!)! I also had time to show off my new
greek and german issues.
Apart from that I got some other presents and so many flowers... (It's a
tradition that one gets a rose that day, I got 4!)

well, Now I have time to help update duckhunt and read some books.

BTW: For all danish Rosa-fans (and as info for Don himself) (In maybe all
Scandinavia?) The story Don made for Oberon, well-educated duck, which was
published in WDC 547 is going to be published (In DK) on the 24th june, and
maybe thereabouts in the other countries. I think that's utterly great, and
It would be a good Idea to publish the rest of those dutch and another
rainbow-comics too, even though Don did not manuscript some of them. Some
might have seen the story ( I have, thanks to Asger) but it is always the
greates IMHO to have the story, so to say in person (?!)

Yours wanting to contribute again to this list. Anything anyone would like
to discuss??

Anders Christian Sivebaek
(Email removed);

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Berglund
Anders Chr. Sivebaek:

> Hi folks
> yesterday I graduated. That meant a party, where one naturally gets
presents. some of them were disney-related.

Congratulations!!!
I graduated last week (yahooo!) - which explains my absence from the list recently

> The story Don made for Oberon, well-educated duck, which was
> published in WDC 547 is going to be published (In DK) on the 24th june, and
> maybe thereabouts in the other countries.

Finally one of the "older" stories also reaches the Swedish weekly.
I guess I have to start reading the Danish & Norweigan DD comics since so much material never appears here ("The Lost Charts of Columbus", "Treasure of the Ten Avatars" etc... *grumble*)

Could someone provide me with a logical reason as to why stories like these
were dropped from Swedish publishing?
(Probably some simple detail I've missed, but irritating...)

/Martin Berglund
Malmo, Sweden
Michael G. Pfefferkorn
Does anyone know where the Don Rosa based site Duck Hunt has migrated
to?

I cannot seem to find it, and my bookmarked link doesn't seem to work
anymore.

Mike
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