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Larry Giver
Gemstone's September issue of Mickey Mouse #268 has
a Donald Duck story "A Visit from Cousin Dagobert".
This "distant Cousin" Dagobert is just Donald in disguise.
Also, Donald has a neighbor "Smith" instead of his
usual neighbor "Jones".
Anyway, I was surprised by the unusual name Dagobert
in this English language version, since Oncel Dagobert is
the German name for Uncle Scrooge. Then I was very
surprised to see this name Dagobert in an old Barks story,
"Race to the South Seas". I have 2 reprints of this story,
Walt Disney Donald Duck Adventures #26, July 1992, and
Gladstone's Carl Barks Library Donald Duck Adventures #14
(1995). On page 2, panel 4, Scrooge's lawyer reads a
legal document to Gladstone, whereby Scrooge gives him a
sailboat. At the top of this document I can read "Dagobert
Mc Duck". How did Scrooge's German name get there in
this 1949 Barks story?
The 1992 reprint only says this is a reprint of Barks' work,
but the Gemstone album reprint explains that Daan Jippes
and other artists at Oberon recreated this artwork and also
Barks' "Darkest Africa" story. So it must be that the
English language version prepared from Jippes' art did not
notice this faintly legible heading on the paper Scrooge's
lawyer is reading. But isn't Scrooge's German name just
Dagobert Duck, and not Mc Duck? Is the Dutch name
Dagobert Mc Duck?
Arthur De Wolf
Hi,

This week's issue of Gemstone's newsletter Scoop says:

"If you're still not quite sure where to pick up Gemstone's Disney Comics in
your area, you now have one more easy-to-find option. Because everyone knows
where the nearest Wal-Mart is. That's right--Wal-Mart now carries Disney
Comic titles. You can find them in their magazine/book section or online at
Wal-Mart.com."

Does this mean that all Gemstone's latest Disney titles are available at all
Wal-marts? Or only some titles at some stores?

If they are really available at all over 3000 Wal-mart stores in the US then
I am curious to see what this will do to the sales figures in coming months.

Kind regards,
Arthur
Stefan Persson
Arthur de Wolf wrote:
> Does this mean that all Gemstone's latest Disney titles are available at
> all Wal-marts? Or only some titles at some stores?
>
> If they are really available at all over 3000 Wal-mart stores in the US
> then I am curious to see what this will do to the sales figures in
> coming months.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/search-ng.gsp?search_constraint=0&search_query=gemstone+publishing&ics=20&ico=0&Continue.x=0&Continue.y=0&Continue=Find
only finds Donald Duck Adventures, WDC, Uncle $crooge and Christmas
Parade issues.

Stefan
SRoweCanoe
In a message dated 9/25/2004 5:08:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
arthur at wolfstad.com writes:
<<If they are really available at all over 3000 Wal-mart stores in the US
then I am curious to see what this will do to the sales figures in coming
months.>>

it wont do a thing, as the sales reports you see posted here, are only
through direct market comic shops.
David Gerstein
LARRY:

> Gemstone's September issue of Mickey Mouse #268 has
> a Donald Duck story "A Visit from Cousin Dagobert".
> This "distant Cousin" Dagobert is just Donald in disguise.
> Also, Donald has a neighbor "Smith" instead of his
> usual neighbor "Jones".

Donald's neighbor Smith (or Smitty) was a common Egmont character in
the 1980s and still occasionally appears today? even once together with
Jones in a story I edited.
Basically, Smith is a neighbor living on the other side of Donald's
house, with whom Donald often gets along a little better than he does
with Jones; so Donald might go to Smitty for advice or help or to
borrow something now and then.
I notice, though, that in "Cousin Dagobert" Smitty's role could really
have gone to Jones, as there was nothing friendly in the portrayal at
all. (-:

> Then I was very
> surprised to see this name Dagobert in an old Barks story,
> "Race to the South Seas". [....] It must be that the
> English language version prepared from Jippes' art did not
> notice this faintly legible heading on the paper Scrooge's
> lawyer is reading.

That's right.

> But isn't Scrooge's German name just Dagobert Duck, and
> not Mc Duck? Is the Dutch name Dagobert McDuck?

Yep!

Best, David
David Gerstein
Oops!

I answered Larry:

>> But isn't Scrooge's German name just Dagobert Duck, and
>> not Mc Duck? Is the Dutch name Dagobert McDuck?
>
> Yep!

Er, what was I thinking? In Dutch, as in German, Scrooge is just
Dagobert Duck these days; although it's been made clear in the Dutch
comics that he was originally McDuck (and changed his name!).

Embarrassedly, David
Donrosa
> From: ZeldasTriforce at aol.com
> To Don Rosa:
> (Possible spoilers for those who haven't read Kalevala yet). Is the old
> timer
> the Ducks meet actually Vainamoinen? Or is he a guy who knows a ton
> about the
> ancient legends?

I was trying to be subtle. Too subtle apparently?
Yes, that was Vainamoinen. Didn't you notice anything odd about the
stone wall around his home? There was no gate. No exit. He was
imprisoned there and had been perhaps since he was last released in the
days of yore. Only the playing of his Harp released him and he appeared
on the bronze boat.

> It seems like he's a counterpart of the frozen Louhi
> (She's
> frozen/He's a 'normal' human. Later they both become like they once
> were).

I don't follow you. How is Louhi more of a normal human than either
Vainemoinen version? They are all normal-looking in the sense that they
have no supernatural physical features other than fierce expressions and
wild hair. I wasn't aware that Louhi changed her appearance in the story
as did the Old Man somehwat when he appears as Vainemoinen.
You say you thought the Old Man represented Louhi? But I clearly show
Louhi begging on the streets of Helsinki at the same time $crooge is
meeting the Old Man out in the country. And Louhi is plainly evil while
the Old Man is clearly a good guy. Eh?

> When the harps are played, is the musical notation from actual Finnish
> folksongs?

No, it's Sebelius' FINLANDIA.

> By the way, "Donald Duck laughs in the face of Death. Didn't you know?"
> is my favorite line of the story.

Mine, too.
By the way, this message comes to you from high atop the Gothia Towers
Hotel in Gothenburg/Goteborg, Sweden, where I am attending the Goteborg
Book Fair, the biggest book fair in Scandinavia and one of the biggest
besides the incredibly vast Frankfurt fair.
I'm here to sign copies of the first Rosa HALL OF FAME volume. They tell
me that yesterday I broke the Fair's 20 year record for the number of
people getting books signed at one signing session by about an extra
50%. So they said. You Americans will never conceive of how MUCH
Europeans love Donald Duck!!!!!!!!
I just had dinner with the Swedish Donaldists! (Thanks!!!)
Mateusz Lis
Lars Jensen wrote:
>
> Mateusz Lis wrote:
> > If you would be interested, I can translate it to English.
>
> Yes, please do.

So here it is (well, it's not exactly a translation):
Vicar was invited by the publisher to help celebrating 70th birthday od
Donald and 10 years of "Kaczor Donald" (a weekly) on the Polish market. The
visit was also a part of promotion of "Hall of Fame" (Polish title:
"Kaczogrod") books.
The press conference (I wasn't present at it) started at 12.00. After Vicar
had drawn a picture of Donald, he told about his work. He counted that he
has drawn 10000 pages since 1971 (when he started working for Egmont). When
Tomasz Kolodziejczak, editor-in-chief of "Kaczor Donald" and "Hall of Fame"
and the host of this conference, said that it gives nearly 80000 drawings of
Donald, Vicar became really amazed. He said that he didn't even want to
think about it...
Vicar told aslo about making comics. He said, that he often improve the
story he gets, sometimes even changing the ending. After that, he makes a
datailed inked sketch, which is later redrawn by his staff by pencil. Then,
the penciled sketch is inked.
One of the journalists aked him what is more important -- a story or art.
Vicar answered that of course the story is more important, because the good
script can go with bad art, but even great art can't save bad story.
The other question was about his inspirations. Cinema, theatre and life
experiences are the things which inspirate Victor the most.
Wondering over Donald's pupularity, Vicar said that Donald is very good and
complex character, with many interesting companions. He also said that
Donald's universe is very friendly and cordial and it's some kind of asylum
for children, who are showered by gloomy news every day. For adults, reading
comics with Donald is a way to develop the hidden child inside.
The meeting with fans started at 4.00 p.m. at Empik - the biggest store with
press, music, books, videos etc. in Warsaw. Before that, Polish television
interviewed him (the material should be aired tomorrow morning) Later, Vicar
has drawn Donald holding a book. He asked the translator to write "slownik
polsko-hiszpanski" (="polish-spanish dictionary" - it should be opposite) on
it and "Czesc" (="hi") over Donald's head.
Then he answered some questions asked by host of the meeting, a guy from
Empik, and by young fans. He sometimes asked his wife Ute for help, because
he forgot some English words. One of the question was about his infamous
panel with fourth nephew. I recorded part of his answer by the digital
camera, here is what he said (and what I understand):
"Well, this mistake has to be, because this work was very artistic in a way
that we are also searching for good composition, the harmony, you know. And
I was working on this picture, maybe a little distract (? - I'm not sure of
this part) or maybe working on this way, that I explain. So, in a moment,
something was missing in the picture, so, I put unconsiously another duck.
But the problem is, that I have an equipment (?), they are only two, but the
one who put this in pencil, he drew the four ducks. And afterwards, it was
taken by the one of the inkers and he drew four ducks! And afterwards, by
the time I used to see the work to make corrections, and I didn't see the
four ducks. So I send it to Egmont in Denmark."
Then, about 4:50 p.m., he started signing comics. Some people were giving
non-Vicar's comics to sign...
After I had gotten an autograph, shaken Vicar's hand and had a little
conversation with him (this was thrilling and absolutely fantastic
experience!), I went to McDonald's to have a little chat with another DCML
member, Maciek Kur.
I found both Vicar and Maciek really nice guys! :-)

Best wishes,
Mateusz Lis
ZeldasTriforce
Don Rosa said:
I was trying to be subtle. Too subtle apparently?
Yes, that was Vainamoinen. Didn't you notice anything odd about the
stone wall around his home? There was no gate. No exit. He was
imprisoned there and had been perhaps since he was last released in the
days of yore. Only the playing of his Harp released him and he appeared
on the bronze boat.
------------------------------------

Not too subtle. But it could have had more than one interpretation, which is
why I asked what you intended for the story. Though looking back on what you
said about the stone wall, etc. it does make it clear that the Old Man is and
was intended to be Vainemoinen.

Don Rosa said:
I don't follow you. How is Louhi more of a normal human than either
Vainemoinen version? They are all normal-looking in the sense that they
have no supernatural physical features other than fierce expressions and
wild hair. I wasn't aware that Louhi changed her appearance in the story
as did the Old Man somehwat when he appears as Vainemoinen.
You say you thought the Old Man represented Louhi? But I clearly show
Louhi begging on the streets of Helsinki at the same time $crooge is
meeting the Old Man out in the country. And Louhi is plainly evil while
the Old Man is clearly a good guy. Eh?
-------------------------------------------

Whoa there! A bit of miscommunication here. I meant that the frozen Louhi and
the Old Man were counterparts in terms of being weakened 'versions' of their
former selves, Louhi during the old days and Vainemoinen. Not that the Old Man
was meant to be Louhi. So disregard all that, I didn't think the Old Man was
evil or Louhi in any form at all. As for Louhi changing appearance, I guess
she didn't really. I guess I meant change for Louhi in terms of power, rather
than appearance (being frozen, not much power, being summoned by the harp- back
to her former power). At any rate, thanks for answering the question and I'll
try to be clearer in the future.

And congratulations on the book-signing record. :)

Derek Smith
ZeldasTriforce
To Mateusz Lis:

Thanks so much for the photos and the translation. I never knew what Vicar
looked like before this and it was nice to see him. I also didn't know he had
been drawing Donald Duck comics for as long as he has. It looks like he was well
recieved in Poland.

Derek Smith
KUR
>Then he answered some questions asked by host of the meeting, a guy from
>Empik, and by young fans. He sometimes asked his wife Ute for help, because
>he forgot some English words. One of the question was about his infamous
>panel with fourth nephew. I recorded part of his answer by the digital
>camera, here is what he said (and what I understand):
>"Well, this mistake has to be, because this work was very artistic in a
way
>that we are also searching for good composition, the harmony, you know. And
>I was working on this picture, maybe a little distract (? - I'm not sure of
>this part) or maybe working on this way, that I explain. So, in a moment,
>something was missing in the picture, so, I put unconsiously another duck.
>But the problem is, that I have an equipment (?), they are only two, but
the
>one who put this in pencil, he drew the four ducks. And afterwards, it was
>taken by the one of the inkers and he drew four ducks! And afterwards, by
>the time I used to see the work to make corrections, and I didn't see the
>four ducks. So I send it to Egmont in Denmark."
>Then, about 4:50 p.m., he started signing comics.

I was there as well. I was somwere obaut 4:30 sow I did here the whole
Interviue with Vicar. I araive like fiue minets bifoure he was teling obaut
the fourt duck. And ofcourse I give him "Vicar's Hall of fame" to sing. This
is very first autograf I got from a Duck-artist. It's sow magical and
special :-))

>Some people were giving non-Vicar's comics to sign...

Yes. Moust kids In Poland propebly not realise which storys are Vicar's and
wich not.

>I found both Vicar and Maciek really nice guys! :-)

And I found out theat Mateusz Lis is really nice guy :-)

Yours
Maciek
Fernando Ventura
Let me see if I get it right...

1 - Vicar draw the story and ink it himself;
2 - Some member of his staff re-drew it (probably cleaning up with a light
table);
3 - A inker re-ink all the pages!

Weird! O_o

Fernando!
Gary Leach
Derek:

> I noticed that in Mickey Mouse Adventures, there was the usual info
> for a subscription ($95 or something). If one were to follow through
> on that, would they be subscribed to MMA or DDA? And I assume enough
> time has passed to get some info on sales. Have they been high enough
> in Gemstone's opinion to make a second issue of MMA (or to make it a
> regular bimonthly series)? Thanks!

The subscription would be for DDA.

Although final numbers have yet to come back from retailers, it appears
we have sufficient sales to enable a regular bi-monthly series. At
present, MMA 2 is scheduled to ship in late February 2005, and from
that point the series will alternate with DDA, so that Gemstone will be
doing one pocket book a month.

Gary
Olaf Solstrand
For some reason, I didn't notice this when we actually discussed it, last
summer, so I respond to it now instead.

Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. asked if alcohol had been used in any known Disney
comics.

I replied:
"[paragraphs about a few stories containing alcohol]

And, even though this is not alcohol-related, I must mention that one of
my favorite comics EVER is the one where Scrooge is opening a tobacco
plantage, and have Donald and Fethry doing research for him by picking up
cigarette ends all over Duckburg to find out what brands are popular. And
then, a maharaja (or was he a prince?) picks up Donald and rents him to be
a hitman."

Claudio Eckert replied:
"This reminds me of the story I TL 920-A. Iin the German translation
Donald and Fethry have to search for spit off chewing gums, though."

Also, Petri Kanninen replied:
"So they were cigarettes! In the Finnish version Scrooge has Donald and
Fethry collecting bubble gum papers. I knew there was something odd with
the papers they picked up. The story is actually from the same pocket book
as the wine bottle collection story. It is Zio Paperone e i "desperados"
di Paperopoli, I TL 920-A."

I noticed these replies just now, so I have to ask:

----------[ SPOILER AREA ]------------------
Amazing! Chewing gums? Bubble gum papers? OK, I shouldn't be surprised
seeing such a translation in a disney comic. But... That story started
with Scrooge telling that he had bought a tobacco plantation (if my memory
isn't playing tricks on me), and it ended with Donald and Fethry salting
and thus destroying the poisonous plants that were ruining the farmland in
this eastern country, and when they come back, they proudly tells this to
Scrooge, who explodes in anger hearing this because he realized the plant
they ruined was his tobacco plantation.

What did the "hide-all-references-to-tobacco"-translation do to this in my
opinion very clever idea? Don't say it was a gum plant?
----------[ /END OF SPOILER AREA ]----------

Oh, and... Petri, you asked if our edition of "Zio Paperone e il
nabucodonosor da collezione" actually said that the bottles Scrooge and
Rockerduck were collecting were wine bottles? Yes, they were. No juice
bottles.

--
Olaf Solstrand
http://www.andebyonline.com/olaf/
Daniel Van Eijmeren
RAPTOR165 to me, 24-09-2004:

>>> "Aw, Unca Donald's an old fuddy-duddy!"
>>> Which Barks story?

>> Can you give a hint?

> Think "Fabulous Detective", but in different words.

I don't get the hint. It sounds like a new riddle to me.
Do you have another quote from the same story, as hint?

--- Dani?l
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