Keskustelujen arkisto

H.W.Fluks at telecom.tno.nl wrote:

>Richard [mailto:lerichard at free.fr] wrote:
>
>
>
>>(http://dd50.inducks.org/xenga.html)
>><<
>>In 1951 Belgium started with "Mickey Magazine", the Dutch translation
>>
>>
>of the
>
>
>>French-language magazine with the same name.
>>
>>
>>Belgian Mickey Magazine started in 1950, October, 14.
>>
>>
>
>Maybe that's the French-language version, while the Dutch-language
>version started a few months later?
>
>--Harry.
>
>

Hi Harry & Richard,

14 oktober 1950 is the date the Belgian Dutch-language version started.
I got this info from a person named Ivan who lives in Belgium and who
scanned the covers for my coversite:
http://be.outducks.org/serie/mmn001-052.php
He explained it pretty thorough to me. The scans are small but october
is decipherable ;-)
The series ran untill issue 468 and in that issue the French and the
Dutch versions explain that the series will change name and that the
characters will have other names.

-- Roy

Harry:

>>>Yep, it's in Inducks now. See
>>>http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/magazine.php/0/us/GGIH
>>>I called the series "Gladstone Giant Comics Album Hardcover
>>>collections", but if anyone has a more exact name, I'll change it.

Thanks!

>>From what I remember, the albums had no real artwork on the covers (only
>>>the Gladstone "G"), so no covers occur in the indexes.

More exactly, that's the Gladstone G held by Mickey (on the left) and Donald
(on the right).
I haven't ordered any yet, because I had already ordered enough books and
CD's for some time. I will let you know if I buy one and find more
information.

Olivier

Harry:
>(Daan Jippes:)
>My last completed Duck stories for Egmont Publishing were a redrawn 'King
>Scrooge the First' and my own 'Easter Basket Case', a dark
>

Nice to hear Jippes is "back". The so-far-latest of his Barks-JW
stories was printed in here over a year ago, so the brand-new
Jippes/Barks stories have been even more rare than brand-new Don
Rosa stories.

Here's Inducks codes for the original stories and Jippes' versions
at the moment:

W US 71-01 - King Scrooge the First - (unknown)
W DD 126-01 - Officer For A Day - H 95145
W DD 138-01 - A Day in a Duck's Life - H 98085
W JW 6-01 - Peril of the Black Forest
W JW 6-03 - Life Savers
W JW 7-01 - Whale of a Good Deed
W JW 8-01 - Let Sleeping Bones Lie
W JW 8-03 - Bad Day for Troop 'A' - H 92002
W JW 9-01 - Looter of the Lake
W JW 10-01 - Maple Sugar Time - H 94001
W JW 10-02 - Bottled Battlers - H 94141
W JW 11-01 - Traitor in the Ranks - H 92085
W JW 11-02 - Eagle Savers - H 99044
W JW 12-01 - Hound of the Moaning Hills - D D 2001-015
W JW 12-02 - Storm Dancers - H 92012
W JW 13-01 - The Day the Mountain Shook - H 92051
W JW 13-02 - Gold of the '49ers - H 92107
W JW 14-01 - Duckmade Disaster - H 92001
W JW 15-01 - Wailing Whalers - H 98239
W JW 16-01 - Where There's Smoke
W JW 17-01 - Be Leery of Lake Eerie - D D 2002-023
W JW 19-01 - Teahouse of the Waggin' Dragon
W JW 20-01 - New Zoo Brews Ado - D D 2002-001
W JW 21-01 - Music Hath Charms
W JW 22-01 - The Phantom Joker/Highwire heroes - H 98254
W JW 23-01 - Hark, Hark, the Ark
W JW 25-01 - Captains Outrageous

But some questions,
Jippes' version of W JW 14-01, the Duckmade Disaster is 12 pages,
where as (by the Inducks) the original version had *13* pages. What
was the reason for that? Did Jippes reduce the story by cropping some
story panels, or did the original printed version have material that
was not scripted by Barks?

Also wonder why is Jippes doing the stories in this order (there's
much no order), skipping some stories over? Will he be allowed to do
all the stories, even W JW 21-01 that was already remade in the 90's
by an other Dutch artist? (at now Jippes isn't working for the Dutch,
so why not?)

- Simo

_________________________________________________________________
Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8.
http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Hey everyone,

I've been enjoying comics for close to thirty years now
and my love of the medium started with titles starring
Mickey, Goofy, Donald, and Uncle Scrooge. Now that I have
three triplet daughters (I understand, Unca Donald!), I,
one, watch more Disney channel and, two, look at media
depictions of fathers a bit more closely. We all know
about the "Disney single parent" thing. How most
characters are orphaned or have at least one dead parent.
Some of this, it has been thought, was due to Walt and
his brother losing their mother when the house they had
bought for her was lost in a fire. But anyway...the Goofy
Movie was on a while ago featuring Goofy and his son, Max.
Goofy and Max often appear together at Disneyworld as
well. We don't know much about Mrs. Goofy or what
happened to her (we are led to believe that she has passed
on). Has there ever been a comics story about Mrs. Goofy?
I thought maybe an overseas Disney title had done a
story...possibly at the time of the Goofy Movie's original
release.

I know that it's due to too many Marvel and DC comics in
my past...but when I read a comic story featuring Goofy,
like the witch story in the recent Mickey Mouse and
Friends, where we see him living alone in a drafty shack
of a house, my mind automatically wants to know "Is this
prior to Mrs. Goofy or has he fallen so far after Max went
to college?" Dumb (goofy?), I know, but I just wonder if
that lost love of the Goof was ever seen or the
relationship ever addressed.

Thanks for reading and THANKS to Gemstone for allowing me
to have these rediculous thoughts during the quiet times
at my house. ;)

LUKE: Tradition is a trap that allows people to stick
their heads in the sand. Everything in the past was so
quaint, so charming. Times were simpler. Kids didn't have
sex. Neighbors knew each other. It's a freaking fairy
tale. Things sucked then too. It just sucked without
indoor plumbing.

From "Gilmore Girls"
--
Visit Things From Another World for the best
comics, movies, toys, collectibles and more.
http://www.tfaw.com/?qt=wmf

Wow, thanks for the responses, both private and public, concerning the Disney
announcers. It brought back a lot of memories--I can actually hear Rex
Allen's reassuring voice. (No, I'm not hearing voices in my head telling me to do
strange things.)

But further research tells me that the uncredited announcer I was thinking of
was Dick Wesson, a character actor/writer/director/producer who, amazingly, I
don't think I've ever seen in a film, and I thought I knew a lot of them.
Sadly, I found out he committed suicide in the 1970s.

I seem to have a strange ability to recognize voice actors, which sometimes
causes me some adjustment problems when watching animation. For instance, I
never could get used to the voice of Fred Flintstone after Alan Reed died. And
with all the Disney animated sequels now, the new voices don't work for me. One
exception is Jim Cummings, who does an amazing job recreating the voices of
the previous actors. What a versatile guy he is!

Again, I have to wonder if anyone knows these people. I assume that many/most
people on this list see these films in translation. (Does the French Mickey
have a falsetto voice? Does the Italian Donald speak in quacks?) And I've
wondered: Are the *songs* translated and re-sung by native voice actors when a
movie is dubbed into another language? That would seem a bit more difficult.

C

Now let's see: go to www.deichman.no (home site
for the main public library in Oslo) and click on "Cark Barks":
http://nyhuus.deich.folkebibl.no/deichman/litt/tegn/carlbarks.html .
The programme for the Wednesday Barks Series,
every Wednesday 18:00 -- 20:00 at Serieteket,
is found at the second half of that page. In key words:

** Wed Sep 22, 15:00: Grand Opening!
Welcome!, in particular to all dcml listees! With among
others ?ystein S?rensen (professor of history, among
Norway's leading experts on Disney in particular and
comics in general) and Anders Heger (publisher, author,
rixsynser, g?bber). And there will be music (I hope)!

** Wed Sep 29, 18-20: "Duckburg Workshop",
with Arild Midthun (whose Duck comics career has
been launched recently): how to write and draw
a Ducks story.

** Wed Oct 6, 18-20: "Barks and his Influence",
with among others ?ystein S?rensen, Tormod L?kling
(chief editor of the Norwegian Donald Duck weekly),
Jan P. Krogh (editor of "Donaldisten"), Nils Lid Hjort
(professor of mathematical statistics).

** Wed Oct 13, 18-20: "Barks and Norway",
with among others Erik H?rthe (teacher, Donaldist,
and dcml listee), ?ystein S?rensen, Tor ?demark (?).

** Wed Oct 20, 18-20: "Carl Barks and his sources",
with Bj?rn-Are Davidsen -- and Barks-Quiz.

** Wed Oct 27, 18-20: "Money and Values in Duckburg",
with Anders Heger versus Nils Lid Hjort as protagnist
& antagonist (or vice versa), followed by open debate
-- and Barks-Quiz.

** Wed Nov 3, 18-20: "Donaldism, yesterday and today",
with Jon Gisle (who authored the famous "Donaldismen"
in 1974) and Jan P. Krogh -- and Barks-Quiz.

NLH

Bill Beechler:

> We all know about the "Disney single parent" thing. How most
> characters are orphaned or have at least one dead parent. Some of
> this, it has been thought, was due to Walt and his brother losing
> their mother when the house they had bought for her was lost in a > fire.

This will probably never have a real - or should I say definitive -
explanation, but here are some notions of mine (not that I'd claim
they're original notions), by no particular order or precedence:

- Many classic fairy tales reflect times - any time, in fact, prior to
the advent of modern medicine in the mid to late 1800s - when maternal
mortality at childbirth was, sadly, far too common.

- Mothers, by their intimate ties to the home and the kids, are seen as
figures that don't put up with much nonsense. This does not usually
provide the right kind of dynamic for rollicking cartoon themes.

- One parent is easier - and cheaper - to do than two, especially in
animation.

- Orphans summon sympathy like almost no other character, and at the
same time are the most at liberty to get into mischief and go on
adventures.

- During the Depression an enormous number of children "lost" their
parents to the harsh distractions of seeking work and dealing with
other economically induced hardships.

- Two world wars stripped thousands of families of fathers who would
remain, for the children, forever young, adventurous, and idealized.

- Changes in the societal attitude towards divorce, begun in earnest in
the 1950s, has led to at least two full generations of adults that view
single-parent homes as not at all unusual. Many of these adults are the
writers, artists, editors, and publishers/producers of the comics,
comic strips, and cartoons of the past half-century.

- Fathers, whether as the family breadwinners or the non-custodial
parents, are absent for much of the day-to-day life of their children,
and thus are less familiar, more "fantastic" figures than their mothers.

A full list of these and other notions, and variations on same, could
probably run for miles.

Gary

---Has there ever been a comics story about Mrs. Goofy?--

-- I just wonder if that lost love of the Goof was ever seen --

Hi
Goofy's wife appeared in cartoons but apparently not in comics, at least not in the U.S. published comics.
In 1951, she appeared briefly in the cartoons "Cold War" and "Fathers are People", however she was only seen from the back (no facial view).In these cartoons their son was first shown as a baby and then about 5 years old. In the1953 cartoon "Father's Day Off" the car she was driving was shown being driven very very carelessly and being in wrecks. (This may be an indicator of her possible future demise.) In the Goof Troop TV episodes, Goofy appears as an only father and the son is now 11 years old. In the Goofy Movie and Extremely Goofy Movie, Goofy is an only parent with the son in High School and college.
According to HooZoo, an indication of Goofy's wife, (and as a child), first appeared in print in 1990 in a Golden Book. Further details about "Goofy,Mrs" can be found in the HooZoo web site. A link to that site can be found in the DCML home page under Other Sources.
Marvin Winitz