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Topic: Death in Disney comics (and movies)
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Roger North
Death in Disney comics (and movies)
Message 106 -
2008-09-30 at 11:09:20
That might be a good idea Lady Quackly.
Roger North
Death in Disney comics (and movies)
Message 107 -
2008-09-30 at 11:11:58
That's a weird cover when Big Bad Wolf has Donald Duck in a cooking pot? Is that really going to be the cover for Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #700?
Ramapith
Death in Disney comics (and movies)
Message 108 -
2008-09-30 at 12:27:13
Notice that Donald is more offended than scared, not to mention still wearing his clothes. He's not going to be in that pot for very long, and I think we all know it. (-:
Roger, the cover is a parody of WDC&S #1 (and 600), where Donald stood in the position that Big Bad Wolf has here. I like to imagine that Donald was originally going to pose on the cover again for us now, but Zeke got jealous and took his place! The stewpot was just the most "wolfish" place to store Donald in the meantime.
Roger, the cover is a parody of WDC&S #1 (and 600), where Donald stood in the position that Big Bad Wolf has here. I like to imagine that Donald was originally going to pose on the cover again for us now, but Zeke got jealous and took his place! The stewpot was just the most "wolfish" place to store Donald in the meantime.
Olivier
Death in Disney comics (and movies)
Message 109 -
2008-09-30 at 12:28:08
Quote from user: LadyQuacklyWalt Kelly did that? POGO POSSUM'S Walt Kelly?? I didn't know he'd been a Disney comics artist! :) He was a great cartoonist, he was. Nice cover, and thanks for sharing it! :)
(The cover scan is from OutDucks)
The very same Walt Kelly-- one of the true geniuse of comicdom; I love Pogo (Kelly's style, the adorable characters, the wit, the humor).
Fantagraphics has been working on an anthology, which was postponed and rescheduled for next year, I believe.
(The cover scan is from OutDucks)
The very same Walt Kelly-- one of the true geniuse of comicdom; I love Pogo (Kelly's style, the adorable characters, the wit, the humor).
Fantagraphics has been working on an anthology, which was postponed and rescheduled for next year, I believe.
Olivier
Death in Disney comics (and movies)
Message 110 -
2008-09-30 at 12:32:39
That's a great cover! I love this a humorous take on WDC&S # 1, which works well on it own by referring to a story within the issue
:D
:D
LadyQuackly
Death in Disney comics (and movies)
Message 111 -
2008-09-30 at 15:30:30
Quote from user: OlivierQuote from user: LadyQuacklyWalt Kelly did that? POGO POSSUM'S Walt Kelly?? I didn't know he'd been a Disney comics artist! :) He was a great cartoonist, he was. Nice cover, and thanks for sharing it! :)
(The cover scan is from OutDucks)
The very same Walt Kelly-- one of the true geniuse of comicdom; I love Pogo (Kelly's style, the adorable characters, the wit, the humor).
Fantagraphics has been working on an anthology, which was postponed and rescheduled for next year, I believe.
Thank you! :) I looked up some info about him last night, and during the famous (or infamous?) Disney artists' strike long ago, he chose to stay neutral and take a leave of absence (I don't blame him).
Our library used to have a couple of collections of his strips: Ten Ever Lovin' Blue-Eyed Years With Pogo and A Pogo Panorama, both of which I loved. It'd be wonderful if they'd reprint those books; the humor would be just as timely now. :)
(The cover scan is from OutDucks)
The very same Walt Kelly-- one of the true geniuse of comicdom; I love Pogo (Kelly's style, the adorable characters, the wit, the humor).
Fantagraphics has been working on an anthology, which was postponed and rescheduled for next year, I believe.
Thank you! :) I looked up some info about him last night, and during the famous (or infamous?) Disney artists' strike long ago, he chose to stay neutral and take a leave of absence (I don't blame him).
Our library used to have a couple of collections of his strips: Ten Ever Lovin' Blue-Eyed Years With Pogo and A Pogo Panorama, both of which I loved. It'd be wonderful if they'd reprint those books; the humor would be just as timely now. :)
Timoro
Death in Disney comics (and movies)
Message 112 -
2008-09-30 at 20:17:40
Quote from user: ramapithalong with a number of other slightly "reality-warping" and self-referential Disney stories?in WDC&S 700 early next year.
William Van Horn's cover ought to bring a smile to anyone who's enjoying this thread:
Absolutely great cover! :-P I think it might have been little bit over the edge, if Donald had an apple in his beak (mouth?). What sorts of stories there will be?
Timo
William Van Horn's cover ought to bring a smile to anyone who's enjoying this thread:
Absolutely great cover! :-P I think it might have been little bit over the edge, if Donald had an apple in his beak (mouth?). What sorts of stories there will be?
Timo
Cacou
Death in Disney comics (and movies)
Message 113 -
2008-09-30 at 20:59:41
David, that's a great cover indeed! may I ask you (for Inducks purpose), who got the idea for that cover? William Van Horn? (or you? with Zeke, I'm suspicious...).
Olivier
Death in Disney comics (and movies)
Message 114 -
2008-09-30 at 21:52:30
I guess the idea originated in Gemstone's offices (David? John?), since they are the ones who decide the contents of each issue; this seems the most logical, but maybe they asked Van Horn to come up with something, giving him the issue's number & contents. I'm curious to know, too, know the question has been raised.
I wonder if "The Think Box Bollix" will be included-- with Donald ready to be roasted over a fire! :D
Gemstone's Vacation Parade # 2 reprinted a Li'l Bad Wolf story from 1951 in which his dad and he sail downriver to Piggi Banki, to hunt pigmy pigs-- one guess who ends up in the cauldron...
I wonder if "The Think Box Bollix" will be included-- with Donald ready to be roasted over a fire! :D
Gemstone's Vacation Parade # 2 reprinted a Li'l Bad Wolf story from 1951 in which his dad and he sail downriver to Piggi Banki, to hunt pigmy pigs-- one guess who ends up in the cauldron...
Lars Jensen
Death in Disney comics (and movies)
Message 115 -
2008-09-30 at 23:03:34
Quote from user: cacouDavid, that's a great cover indeed! might I ask you (for Inducks purpose), who got the idea for that cover? William Van Horn? (or you? with Zeke, I'm suspicious...).
Bill Van Horn is the regular cover artist for Gemstone. Since I know he loves Big Bad Wolf but I also know there needs to be a popular character on a cover in order for it to sell, I suggested to David they let Van Horn draw a cover with Zeke and Donald Duck for WDC. David then came up with the idea of tying it into http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=W+WDC+115-03 and having it show Zeke roasting Donald. I'm not sure who is responsible for the final cover idea, though.
David?
Bill Van Horn is the regular cover artist for Gemstone. Since I know he loves Big Bad Wolf but I also know there needs to be a popular character on a cover in order for it to sell, I suggested to David they let Van Horn draw a cover with Zeke and Donald Duck for WDC. David then came up with the idea of tying it into http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=W+WDC+115-03 and having it show Zeke roasting Donald. I'm not sure who is responsible for the final cover idea, though.
David?
LadyQuackly
Death in Disney comics (and movies)
Message 116 -
2008-09-30 at 23:10:00
Quote from user: Roger NorthThat might be a good idea Lady Quackly.
Not to be OT, but I've put some new art over at the "Disney Duck art" thread if you'd like to see it.
That might cheer you up. :)
Not to be OT, but I've put some new art over at the "Disney Duck art" thread if you'd like to see it.
That might cheer you up. :)
Ramapith
Death in Disney comics (and movies)
Message 117 -
2008-10-01 at 05:26:15
Quote from user: Lars JensenBill Van Horn is the regular cover artist for Gemstone.
Well, one of several (when we make covers at all, that is... we don't produce too many).Quote:Since I know [Bill Van Horn] loves Big Bad Wolf but I also know there needs to be a popular character on a cover in order for it to sell, I suggested to David they let Van Horn draw a cover with Zeke and Donald Duck for WDC.
That's right. Though I suspect that if we had better distribution, Big Bad might actually be able to sell a book by himself?he's certainly well-known and recognized Stateside, just not as much so as the top-tier characters.
Back in the old Gladstone days Zeke was somewhat less popular, I think, but Gladstone had neither a very good inventory of stories nor access to the Dutch golden age material (1970s). We've got access to all that now and are very pleased by the reactions we've had.
By contrast, Gladstone had a handful of the best Buettner but, IMHO, few other Wolf stories of note.
Well, one of several (when we make covers at all, that is... we don't produce too many).Quote:Since I know [Bill Van Horn] loves Big Bad Wolf but I also know there needs to be a popular character on a cover in order for it to sell, I suggested to David they let Van Horn draw a cover with Zeke and Donald Duck for WDC.
That's right. Though I suspect that if we had better distribution, Big Bad might actually be able to sell a book by himself?he's certainly well-known and recognized Stateside, just not as much so as the top-tier characters.
Back in the old Gladstone days Zeke was somewhat less popular, I think, but Gladstone had neither a very good inventory of stories nor access to the Dutch golden age material (1970s). We've got access to all that now and are very pleased by the reactions we've had.
By contrast, Gladstone had a handful of the best Buettner but, IMHO, few other Wolf stories of note.
Kurt Appel
Death in Disney comics (and movies)
Message 118 -
2008-10-04 at 07:40:12
There are some references on death in Disney Comics, for example in some comics by Walsh/Gottfredson ("The Atombrella and the Rhyming Man" - in this story Eega even kills a gangster), "The House of Mystery", "Itching Gulch", "The Ghost of Black Brian") and in comics written by the great Italian writer Guido Martina. In "Paperino e il muro del riso", drawn by Carpi (1954), Donald is pardoned because the government celebrates the hanging of a bandit, in "Paperino e il conquistador del´stelladoro" the death of some persons is insinuated ...
Olivier
Death in Disney comics (and movies)
Message 119 -
2008-10-04 at 16:04:13
Since it may very well be still unknown to some, I will add to the list of examples the few daily strips in which Mickey tried to commit suicide (in the "Mr Slicker and the Egg Robbers" continuity); in his interview with Disney Archivist David R. Smith published in Gladstone's hardcover, Gottfredson explained it was Walt himself who had suggested him this; Gottfredson was afraid it would not get past censorhip, but it did.
Such things were naturally ( ? ) easier in the early years, especially in a newspaper strip; even though the readership of the comic strip pages certainly included children, I suppose that reading a newspaper, thus its contents, were still regarded as an adult activity and adult content.
It would be interesting to see if we could make out different periods in Disney comics (and movies):
(1) graveyeard humor (Mickey's suicide attempts, and quite literally with the Silly Symphony "The Skeleton Dance")
(2) explicit (though not graphic) references to the violent death of characters-- not just the threat of it, and preferably in a visual way rather than through dialogue
(3) hardly anything?
(4) a return of such scenes, to some extent?
(5) a more indirect approach (the stuffed ducks in "The Gilded Man")?
The differences between countries should be considered as well; has it been easier in some?
An offshoot of this could be a topic on ghosts-- real and fake.
Such things were naturally ( ? ) easier in the early years, especially in a newspaper strip; even though the readership of the comic strip pages certainly included children, I suppose that reading a newspaper, thus its contents, were still regarded as an adult activity and adult content.
It would be interesting to see if we could make out different periods in Disney comics (and movies):
(1) graveyeard humor (Mickey's suicide attempts, and quite literally with the Silly Symphony "The Skeleton Dance")
(2) explicit (though not graphic) references to the violent death of characters-- not just the threat of it, and preferably in a visual way rather than through dialogue
(3) hardly anything?
(4) a return of such scenes, to some extent?
(5) a more indirect approach (the stuffed ducks in "The Gilded Man")?
The differences between countries should be considered as well; has it been easier in some?
An offshoot of this could be a topic on ghosts-- real and fake.
Timoro
Death in Disney comics (and movies)
Message 120 -
2008-10-04 at 19:10:57
In Rune Meikle's weird but fascinating and exciting story Stranded
we can see mummified duck skeleton of an old pirate. Nice story that has the spirit of older Italian stories and Barks' Old Castle. There is also perky native duck girl, which reminds little bit Hedy Lamarr's Tondelayo-character in White Cargo -movie (1942).
Timo
we can see mummified duck skeleton of an old pirate. Nice story that has the spirit of older Italian stories and Barks' Old Castle. There is also perky native duck girl, which reminds little bit Hedy Lamarr's Tondelayo-character in White Cargo -movie (1942).
Timo