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Topic: Death in Disney comics (and movies)

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Morequack
Quote from user: mexican fani have to disagre wit you, but young children understand death,how i know this?easy,i was a kid some time ago :P, and we all lost someone soon or later
i dont like the idea of "hide" death in comics and cartoons, is a natural part of life, even if it is painfull or sad

And I would disagree with *you*. Generally speaking, young children's understanding of death is extremely limited. It is only logical that the finality of death cannot be grasped by a youngster whose perspective is measured by a life span of only a few years. I have memories of my childhood summers being eons long. I did not give death the benefit of a single lingering thought then. Even when my grandfather died when I was about 8 it hardly seemed like the event that warranted all the seriousness that the adults around me shared. Children simply do not spent any time thinking about mortality and of life having an expiration date.
Robb_K
Quote from user: mexican fanQuote from user: Robb_KThe Disney editors know that young children don't understand death, and also might be very afraid after looking time and again for long time at a gruesome death picture.
i have to disagre wit you, but young children understand death,how I know this?easy,i was a kid some time ago :P, and we all lost someone soon or later
i dont like the idea of "hide" death in comics and cartoons, is a natural part of life, even if it is painfull or sad

I agree with you that the concept of death and people dying shouldn't be hidden from children. I was just referring to Disney's longtime policy on that subject, and how they dealt with it in films and comic book stories.

I had not forgotten the spy in Barks' story. But we didn't "see" his demise. That was similar to the witch in "Snow White". I had forgotten about Rosa showing the death of Scrooge's father (or maybe I've never seen that?). I haven't read much of "Scrooge's Life and Times", or whatever Rosa's history of Scrooge appeared in.

I had some understanding of death at 3 or 4. You CAN at least understand that the person you knew "has gone away" and it is impossible that you'll ever see them again.

I don't think children should be "sheltered" from the bad things that can happen in life. They can be told what they are capable of understanding at each level of their development, and understand it in a different way, until they can fully comprehend what happened and what the consequences of that will be (if EVER, before they die).
Roger North
It depends on who the child is. Some Children can handle the fact that death exists while others can't. It depends on how emotionally stable they are.
Olivier
Ther's an impressive death in Walsh & Gottfredson's "The Pirate Ghost Ship"; not graphic image, but the character's fate is made very clear.
Two more in "The House of Mystery".

There may be more; these are the ones I immediately thought of.
Mexican Fan
is posible change the name of the topic...?
something like...deaths in disney...
i trie to do it..but i cant edit the title...
Roger North
Maybe you could erase this thread and then start it over again Mexican Fan.
Olivier
Quote from user: mexican fanis posible change the name of the topic...?
something like...deaths in disney...
i trie to do it..but i cant edit the title...

Done!
:)
Mexican Fan
Quote from user: OlivierQuote from user: mexican fanis posible change the name of the topic...?
something like...deaths in disney...
i trie to do it..but i cant edit the title...

Done!
:)

thanks ^^
and...one more death, cuasimodo mother is killed by frodo
RancidDuck
Didn't Todd's mother get shot in the Fox And The Hound?
Roger North
Frodo? Don't you mean Frollo Mexican Fan?
Mexican Fan
Quote from user: Roger NorthFrodo? Don't you mean Frollo Mexican Fan?
$#&!
yeah...what i was thinking...?
LOTR... :)
...ok...
and yes,todd mom is killed...
is me or most of disney characters are Orphans?
LadyQuackly
Quote from user: ScroodudeIt's a joke. It's a parody of the death of Robin/Jason Todd (recently resurrected as a villain) from the Batman comics, where they actually did a poll and the majority voted for Robin to die. "The Disney Afternoon" comic series never actually made it passed ten issues. Personally, I think Gosalyn would've made a better parody, perhaps showing a reunion with her biological father (as Robin did with his mother in the original comic.)
Thank GOD it was a joke!!! *breathes again* I saw that and thought, "What the...?" :P
I don't think they would have done that in the comics for real. Now fanfics have been a whole other
ballgame...
LadyQuackly
Quote from user: timoroScrooge's father dies in Life and Times. It's really dramatic scene, well constructed and still quite serene and even beautiful.
In Dangerous Disguise the spy who looks like Donald jumps through the window and obviously kills himself. On the last page: "Bruto will send me to the salt mines. Good by cruel world!", he shouts.

Timo

I just looked at Dangerous Disguise and that totally weirded me out. Even though you don't actually see the outcome of it, I'm pretty surprised a Disney comic would depict a character offiing
himself like that.

But I'm with you about that scene in Life and Times. That was very tastefully done, and in fact inspired by a scene from the 1940s movie The Ghost and Mrs. Muir. I like the way Fergus and Downy meet Sir Quackly, then follow him through the wall.
LadyQuackly
Quote from user: MorequackQuote from user: mexican fani have to disagre wit you, but young children understand death,how i know this?easy,i was a kid some time ago :P, and we all lost someone soon or later
i dont like the idea of "hide" death in comics and cartoons, is a natural part of life, even if it is painfull or sad

And I would disagree with *you*. Generally speaking, young children's understanding of death is extremely limited. It is only logical that the finality of death cannot be grasped by a youngster whose perspective is measured by a life span of only a few years. I have memories of my childhood summers being eons long. I did not give death the benefit of a single lingering thought then. Even when my grandfather died when I was about 8 it hardly seemed like the event that warranted all the seriousness that the adults around me shared. Children simply do not spent any time thinking about mortality and of life having an expiration date.

It might also depend on the child and his environment; I know what you mean, though. I was born in the early Sixties, and as I grew up I was exposed to a lot of stuff on TV that had to do with death---i.e. news about the Vietnam War, the assassinations of Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King, etc. Not to mention programs like Dark Shadows and some very violent movies. Even so, my understanding of death mostly revolved around the fact that they put you in a grave and you weren't around anymore. I never actually saw a dead body until I was 9 or 10 years old, yet it wasn't till later that I began to understand more on the subject...at least, as much as anybody can understand.
LadyQuackly
Quote from user: mexican fanQuote from user: Roger NorthFrodo? Don't you mean Frollo Mexican Fan?
$#&!
yeah...what i was thinking...?
LOTR... :)
...ok...
and yes,todd mom is killed...
is me or most of disney characters are Orphans?

Seems like it, or at least half-orphans. Like Olivia in The Great Mouse Detective tells Basil that
she has no mother, and I think Pocahontas had lost hers. Also, you remember in Finding Nemo (spoiler alert!) Nemo's mom (and all his siblings) are eaten by a big fish.
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