Keskustelujen arkisto

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Author

Topic: I finally had the chance to meet Don Rosa!

(101 messages)
Mr. M
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderOh, so many adaptions have ruined by trying to 'update' it, or by making it more edgy. Cause, you know, everything is edgy these days! (Or Mickey Mouse Clubhouse.)
Actually I was scared they will try to make it more PC/child friendly which I find as much harmfull. Take something like Popeye for example. Segar oryginal character was pretty violent and the stories full of very dark humor. In fact those oryginal strips where more for adults then they were for kids. But sadly with each adaptation Popeye got more and more kid friendly to the point he CAN'T punch his opponents any more.
I'm sorry but this is just being untrue to character roots which where all about this stuff :

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/4061/popeye01.png
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/873/popeye02.png

Don't get me wrong but Amercians have looooong history of dumbing down Franco-American comics.

Their Marsupilami (made by DISNEY of all studios) have zero to nothing with the oryginal comics only the main character desing and name while his personality is destroyed by turning him into some goofy idiot.

Same goes for Hanna-Barberas adaptation of Lucky Luke which once agian water down the scripts just to make them more child friendly... and I mean for very young children and wats worst they made most of character annoying so it's painfull to watch them.

And finaly the Smurfs which while made into a lovable cartoon miset complitly the point of most Smurfs stories throwing away all the social satire and dont even get me started on what abomination the movie was...

So I was strongly supprise how well they made this movie and how it almost sparkle with love for the oryginal project!

BTW- > That scene when the agent is shot down at Tintin doors with machine guns and writes m-essage for him with his blood... Wow! I was so amazed tha they let them do this...

Quote:That's Steven Moffat for you. He can never turn down a good in-joke. You should see his Doctor Who stuff - it's crammed with them!
I was never a Doctor Who fan - not becose I don't like it, I just never got time to really get into it...

Quote:Thompson and Thomson are made for slapstick, just like in the books. I thought it was great when they incorporated their storyline into the main plot. But yeah, they're the world's most clueless detectives.
Ow I liked them. I just don't think they will fit with the ton of the story for some people.

Quote:And the ending, well I think that when you've made something great, you're allowed to be a bit self-congratulatory.
I just like when a movie is self-contain. I don't mind when a movie wink to the audiance "there will be a sequel" but here I just think they did way to big "wink" for my taste...

BTW -> Did you know there WAS in fact a Donald/Duck Tintin cross-over?

http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=I+TL+2501-6

In this story Donald, Gyro and a Italian (I think) character named Bum Bum Ghigno endsup in France by mistake and runs into Tintin and the gang who try to help them out while being fallowed by the Thompson twins.
The only odd thing was the fact the Professor Calculus was a duck for some reason..

But to be on the topic - Me and group of Polish fans (about six people) are planing to arive in Germany October six to meet Don Rosa (hurray!) and I'm planing to buy some of his drawings if he will have them to sell agian (hurray! x2) :D
Ryan_Wynns
Quote from user: Lars JensenDon has stated he doesn't consider Barks's paintings canon.
As Barks' never colored any of his stories, I wonder what Don's basis is for considering it "factual" that the bin "is" white. Is it on record that Barks' ever opined on the matter?

IMHO, it's a matter of logic: Scrooge would never splurge on paint, and bright flashiness just isn't his style. ;)
Jano
Quote from user: Ryan_WynnsAs Barks' never colored any of his stories, I wonder what Don's basis is for considering it "factual" that the bin "is" white. Is it on record that Barks' ever opined on the matter?

IMHO, it's a matter of logic: Scrooge would never splurge on paint, and bright flashiness just isn't his style. ;)

You're misreading something. For Don, the bin is an unpainted concrete gray, not white. I just checked back with him, and he confirmed:

"I think it's unpainted raw concrete."

You might have gotten confused because of Kneon's drawing, but the "white" line was added, as Kneon already said, per his request (because that's what he colored it for Gemstone).
Jano
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderBesides, I think Spielberg took something from Barks again in that movie. Remember Raiders of the Lost Ark, with the giant boulder from The Seven Cities of Cibola?
This is an often quoted misconception. The boulder in the "Cibola" story was a huge misshapen thing whose only purpose was to bounce down the valley destroying the Seven Cities. If "Raiders of..." borrowed a boulder scene from a Barks story, it's obviously the one in "The Prize of Pizarro". That's the story where a large carved-round rock rolls down a ramp and is supposed to crush treasure hunting invaders who are confined in a narrow passage (even though it was a bridge rather than a cave in that case).
Kneon
Quote from user: JanoYou might have gotten confused because of Kneon's drawing, but the "white" line was added, as Kneon already said, per his request (because that's what he colored it for Gemstone).
Yeah, just to clarify further -- I did ask Don Rosa to add that line because at Gemstone, the bin was generally colored white with light grey shading to represent concrete. It was just a fan drawing, and certainly not "canon."

We should rename this thread "The Color of Money... Bins." ;)
GeoX
I think the connection between Raiders and Cibola is meant to be "take a treasure, set off a trap by removing the weight on a trigger." How much of this is actual influence, I have no idea.
Matilda
The Wikipedia article on Barks says that Spielberg and Lucas "have acknowledged that the rolling-boulder booby trap in the opening scene of Raiders of the Lost Ark was inspired by the 1954 Carl Barks Uncle Scrooge adventure "The Seven Cities of Cibola" (Uncle Scrooge #7). Lucas and Spielberg have also said that some of Barks's stories about space travel and the depiction of aliens had an influence on them." The footnote is to a Time article which I can't read in full because I'm not a subscriber. There's also a reference to Lucas's foreword to the 1982 Uncle Scrooge McDuck: His Life and Times.

The IMDb trivia page on Raiders includes this paragraph:
"The opening scene in the lost South American temple is partly based on a classic Disney Ducks adventure written by the legendary artist Carl Barks, many of whose comic books have inspired George Lucas and Steven Spielberg. Exploring a lost temple, Donald Duck, his nephews, and Scrooge McDuck must evade a succession of booby traps, like flying darts, a decapitating blade, a huge boulder, a tunnel flooded with a torrent of gushing water, etc., in the story "The Prize of Pizarro" ("Uncle $crooge" no. 26, June-August 1959), which hit the newsstands when Lucas and Spielberg, both avowed fans of that comic book, were respectively 15 and 12 years old. Another Barks story, "The Seven Cities of Cibola" ("Uncle $crooge" no. 7, September 1954), has a native American lost city and a valuable idol that triggers a giant round rock to smash everything in its way."

From an article in Cracked, "5 Amazing Things Invented by Donald Duck":
"One of its most iconic sequences is the cold open, where Indy invades a temple, steals a treasure and outruns a giant boulder. Once again, you can thank Scrooge McDuck for that: Spielberg and Lucas were separately inspired by two different Scrooge McDuck comics to write two different parts of that scene. Spielberg has openly admitted that both the idol Indy is stealing and the boulder that chases him afterward came from the 1954 Uncle Scrooge comic The Seven Cities of Cibola, written and drawn by seminal Duck artist Carl Barks. In the comic, the ducks and the Beagle Boys find a priceless idol in an underground cavern, just like Jones. The Beagle Boys are actually the ones who end up moving the idol off of its booby-trapped pedestal, causing the cave to collapse around them, much like Indy's world when he stole his smaller, marginally less pimpin' version. George Lucas delivered the second half -- the hall of arrows and the hostile natives chasing Indy through the jungle afterward -- or rather, Scrooge McDuck did, in his 1959 comic, the Prize of Pizarro."
The reference here also is to the aforementioned Time article, so someone should look at that and see whether Spielberg/Lucas mention specifics about the two Barks stories. The article is a review of the 1982 book.
Monochrome
Personally, I have to agree that Scrooge would never pay such an unnecessary expense just to have his money bin painted. Besides, wouldn't that just attract everyone (robbers, beggers etc.) over even more so (it's already three cubic acres in size; no need to bring even more attention to it). It would be like moths to a light!
As for the adaptation to a movie, for my two cents on it, while it is a very beautiful dream, I can't see it happening much to my sadness. Even if it does manage to happen, Disney would never fail to screw it up royally in order to make it as kid friendly as possible. It is pretty much a guarantee. That being said, we also kind of have the unpleasable fanbase syndrome going on here. We can't even have a good consensus of even what type of medium it should be in, forget everything else like any sort of adaption to it. On the other side, we have people that watched DuckTales but not the comic which will cry fowl that way. On the opposite corner, we have people that assume that it going to be a little kid show because of the shows that Donald and company are in these days (clubhouse and all that) No matter what, it is doomed to fail in our eyes, unless by some miracle. On the other hand, people probably thought that mixing Disney with Square wasn't a good idea, and look what happened.
Kneon
Here's Don Rosa on the color of the bin back in 2000...

Quote:As I suspect you know, the Money Bin is plain white concrete. Due to decades of European miscoloring, it's less obvious as an error, but the coins should be mostly silver with a few copper pennies scattered around, as the whole gag is that it is simple pocket-change, not valuable golden coins. But Europe has done that for so long that it's not worth tampering with the tradition.

For example, if I found out that Barks had always intended the colorists to make the Money Bin bright red, I'd still want it to remain white because it would be too shocking a change in one of the secular icons of my life. Maybe Europe feels that way about those miscolored coins.

Source: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/2000-May/006874.html

Again, I'd always assumed it was white concrete, and not *painted* white.
Monochrome
Quote from user: KneonHere's Don Rosa on the color of the bin back in 2000...

Quote:As I suspect you know, the Money Bin is plain white concrete. Due to decades of European miscoloring, it's less obvious as an error, but the coins should be mostly silver with a few copper pennies scattered around, as the whole gag is that it is simple pocket-change, not valuable golden coins. But Europe has done that for so long that it's not worth tampering with the tradition.

For example, if I found out that Barks had always intended the colorists to make the Money Bin bright red, I'd still want it to remain white because it would be too shocking a change in one of the secular icons of my life. Maybe Europe feels that way about those miscolored coins.

Hmm I always wonder why the coins are sometimes are coloured gold. It seems really strange since it was mostly change that Scrooge was talking about and saved in there. It is taken to the extreme in Duck Tales where it's like every piece of change in there had a transformation into a gold coin. As the comics are concerned, the only explanation in-universe I had that was since Scrooge goes on more treasure exploits now, it just so happens that the gold coins are at the top, kind of like a crust on a pie.
MustangRockstar
I love Don Rosa, but sometimes he just makes me roll my eyes. There's a certain grumpiness that always seems present whenever he opens his mouth (and shows in a lot of his stories).
As for the money in Scrooge's bin, I would gather the traditional gold/copper coloring of coins owes itself more to visual appearance purposes than anything else. Personally, I think it just tends to look better.
Kneon
Quote from user: MustangRockstarI love Don Rosa, but sometimes he just makes me roll my eyes. There's a certain grumpiness that always seems present whenever he opens his mouth (and shows in a lot of his stories).
Nah, he's polite as pie in person -- just opinionated and sometimes blunt. The internet takes inflection out of things, so I think he's probably coming across as "harsher" online than he's really intending to be.

Scrooge isn't a warm, cuddly character, though, and it probably does take a certain personality type to be able to effectively crawl inside his head.

Quote:As for the money in Scrooge's bin, I would gather the traditional gold/copper coloring of coins owes itself more to visual appearance purposes than anything else. Personally, I think it just tends to look better.
I think it looks "richer" but the original gag was that Scrooge stored up all this pocket change in the bin. Building "Fort Knox" for a pile of gold coins is understandable... but for nickels and dimes? Well, that's kind of taking it to the extreme. ;)
Review Or Die
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa/Amusing.shtml I think the first quote here sums up how he presents himself and how that can be taken as grumpiness.
I will freely admit that I was outright scared to meet him, because I hold such regard for his work and I know his personality is large, but he was as welcoming as you could possibly imagine even at a signing booth. Blunt, certainly, but earnest, and not at all meanspirited. Here's what happened
He mentioned during a panel that he was a little bit creeped out by the fact that people went in to a field because of a story he wrote, or began talking with their future spouse over the internet because of his comics, or how they looked at his work so highly. It was just sort of weird to him, because he just wanted to write and draw some comics for people that they could finish in fifteen minutes. He said it with a kind of amusement, not malice.
So I sat down to buy some of his prints and get some autographs. I'd bought prints the day before and came back for more, because I'm a complete sucker for them, and he said the first day he thought I was buying too many. I made a joke (a very nervous one) that I was sorry to be one of the fans that creeped him out, and he looked apologetic and explained himself. The idea creeped him out because he didn't think he was doing something that people would take so deeply in to themselves, and he didn't really believe that it was a power he deserved or asked for. He wasn't creeped out by people, but to him the comics were... just things he did. He was proud of them, but after those fifteen minutes it took to finish the story, I don't think he expected people to ever think of them. The idea of having such a huge impact on another person just seemed alien to him, because he doesn't have I think a shred of ego in him. Artistic integrity to what may seem an extreme, I think, but no ego.
He's opinionated, and is willing to freely discuss his opinions, but I don't think there's a shred of maliciousness in it. Just a strong sense of ownership in his stories. I find that very understandable.
Coolwater
Quote from user: MonochromeHmm I always wonder why the coins are sometimes are coloured gold. It seems really strange since it was mostly change that Scrooge was talking about and saved in there. It is taken to the extreme in Duck Tales where it's like every piece of change in there had a transformation into a gold coin. As the comics are concerned, the only explanation in-universe I had that was since Scrooge goes on more treasure exploits now, it just so happens that the gold coins are at the top, kind of like a crust on a pie.
The "golden" coloring of Scrooge's "change" in the money bin has always been standard in the comics in many European countries. In many European countries they don't pay with the Dollar in Duckburg but with the currency of that country or with a "fantasy" currency (as in the German versions of the comics where it has always been Taler and Kreuzer, not Mark and Pfennig or, now, Euro and Cent).

The coloring of the coins would follow in those countries rather what one is used to have as color of coins there. And while Americans are used to coins with silver color, many Europeans daily see rather such with gold color. Golden color have for instance the 10, 20 and 50 Cent coints of the Euro and the 1 and 2 Euro coins at least mostly, as much as the 5 and 10 Pfennig coins of the former Mark. (They are of course as less made of real gold as the US coins of real silver. ;-))

But even in such countries outside the US where the Dollar was kept in Duckburg, I don't know how much the average reader really knows what color the US Dollar coins have or if he matters what color the stuff has in Duckburg. American coins are not something one is normally confronted with every day in Europe. As far as I know the Dollar is (was?) used in the comics in Italy. I've seen many pictures fro the Italian comics, however, with golden colored coins ...

Euro change. Probably nothing worth soon, but would Scrooge make dive into "gold" ...

http://t2.ftcdn.net/jpg/00/28/88/29/400_F_28882939_FxVU699RykdUUHBth4GDksVtiYgeiDmn.jpg
Kneon
^ Makes sense. ^
I have to wonder how many other gags are inadvertently "lost" transitioning from a U.S. to overseas audience, and vice versa.
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7