Quote from user: DebbieScamp (might be problematic, as it is tied to a Disney Feature, Lady and the Tramp, which might be a different license)
Gemstone did not have the license for feature-film characters, but they explained that they were able to print Scamp comics because Scamp, although the son of Lady and the Tramp, did not appear as a named character in the film but rather was developed for the comics. A delicate distinction! They were not, however, able to print Madam Mim comics. Since Lady and the Tramp do appear in Scamp comics (but not headlined), I wonder whether they could have printed a comic story where Mim was a supporting character, as long as her name wasn't above the title? There are a couple of European Mim stories I like (e.g. "Chilly Charlie") where AMJ are the featured characters.
Naturally, I have no idea whether IDW has the exact same licensing agreement as Gemstone did on this front.
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Matilda
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Message 16 -
2015-05-31 at 11:29:42
Nectaria
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Message 17 -
2015-05-31 at 12:15:13
Quote from user: MatildaQuote from user: DebbieScamp (might be problematic, as it is tied to a Disney Feature, Lady and the Tramp, which might be a different license)
Gemstone did not have the license for feature-film characters, but they explained that they were able to print Scamp comics because Scamp, although the son of Lady and the Tramp, did not appear as a named character in the film but rather was developed for the comics. A delicate distinction! They were not, however, able to print Madam Mim comics. Since Lady and the Tramp do appear in Scamp comics (but not headlined), I wonder whether they could have printed a comic story where Mim was a supporting character, as long as her name wasn't above the title? There are a couple of European Mim stories I like (e.g. "Chilly Charlie") where AMJ are the featured characters.
Naturally, I have no idea whether IDW has the exact same licensing agreement as Gemstone did on this front.
If the name "Scamp" was really created by the comic book writers then it's interesting how some other people at Disney decided to use the same name for Lady and the Tramp's son in some of the picture books and in the sequel of the first movie. Scamp's siblings' names in the sequel were not the same as the ones in the comics and all of them were girls. In the comics, two of them were girls and one of them was a boy named Scooter. I'm always wondering why the writers decided to change Scooter's gender from male to female in the later stories? Maybe because he was the same dog breed as his mother (Lady)? I don't think all the cocker spaniels in The Lady and the Tramp/Scamp universe looks that feminine.
Gemstone did not have the license for feature-film characters, but they explained that they were able to print Scamp comics because Scamp, although the son of Lady and the Tramp, did not appear as a named character in the film but rather was developed for the comics. A delicate distinction! They were not, however, able to print Madam Mim comics. Since Lady and the Tramp do appear in Scamp comics (but not headlined), I wonder whether they could have printed a comic story where Mim was a supporting character, as long as her name wasn't above the title? There are a couple of European Mim stories I like (e.g. "Chilly Charlie") where AMJ are the featured characters.
Naturally, I have no idea whether IDW has the exact same licensing agreement as Gemstone did on this front.
If the name "Scamp" was really created by the comic book writers then it's interesting how some other people at Disney decided to use the same name for Lady and the Tramp's son in some of the picture books and in the sequel of the first movie. Scamp's siblings' names in the sequel were not the same as the ones in the comics and all of them were girls. In the comics, two of them were girls and one of them was a boy named Scooter. I'm always wondering why the writers decided to change Scooter's gender from male to female in the later stories? Maybe because he was the same dog breed as his mother (Lady)? I don't think all the cocker spaniels in The Lady and the Tramp/Scamp universe looks that feminine.
Clapton
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Message 18 -
2015-05-31 at 12:45:46
I hope that WDC&S will eventually become 64 pages to allow for extra duck/mice stories and to give these less popular characters a chance to shine. Since WDC&S is aimed more towards collectors I think we could have one and only one Prestige format Disney title without alienating younger fans who can't afford it since they would have the other 3 titles. Also David please tell me you'll localize New Lil Bad Wolf stories your self. I loved your past wolf localizations.
Baar Baar Jinx
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Message 19 -
2015-05-31 at 17:42:49
Quote from user: MatildaI'm not interested in Little Bad Wolf or in the Br'er characters and such like. But I am interested in a bunch of characters who do exist in Duckburg/Mouseton or interact with the Ducks/Mice in certain stories, but who rarely get to take center stage in a Duck or Mouse comic. Such as: Clarabelle, Horace, even Goofy w/o Mickey, Grandma Duck, Gus Goose, Cissy Swan (Gus's rich friend), Feather Mallard (Gladstone's romantic interest), Magica De Spell (she has a whole family, and a sort of boyfriend, in Italian stories!), Sonny Seagull (HDL's friend), AMJ, Annabel and the others in the Dutch "Duckies" very short stories, Madam Mim, Gyro, Helper, Gyro's girlfriend Dana Data, Chip & Dale, José Carioca, Panchito, Ludwig Von Drake, and Dickie Duck (but I wish she had a better name in English!). Stories featuring these characters prominently might show up in the Duck or Mouse titles, but WDCS might be a better home for some of them. I'm very excited that we're going to meet Eurasia Toft *very soon*!
Well, I know there's no universally accepted definition, but I agree with you that I would categorize characters who could conceivably interact with Mickey (like Horace, Clarabelle and Goofy) or Donald (like Gyro, José Carioca, Grandma Duck, Gus Goose, Magica, etc.) as belonging to the Mouse and Duck universes, even if Mickey and Donald aren't in the particular story. But there's no way Li'l Bad Wolf, Chip 'N Dale, Bucky Bug, Winnie the Pooh, Scamp, Bre'r Rabbit or Little Hiawatha would be included (even though creators have previously tried to shoehorn some of them in, even Barks in stories he drew but didn't write; I dislike the idea of the Cinderella mice living on Grandma's farm as well for many reasons, not least of which is that it raises unexplainable issues related to degrees of anthropomorphism). And I still maintain that I would prefer to see the non-Duck and Mice stories very rarely, if at all, even in WDC&S. Also, personally I prefer that stories pairing Mickey and Donald be printed sparingly. It's fine to have them together on the covers of WDC&S, as is being done, but they really belong to separate universes in my "head canon".
Well, I know there's no universally accepted definition, but I agree with you that I would categorize characters who could conceivably interact with Mickey (like Horace, Clarabelle and Goofy) or Donald (like Gyro, José Carioca, Grandma Duck, Gus Goose, Magica, etc.) as belonging to the Mouse and Duck universes, even if Mickey and Donald aren't in the particular story. But there's no way Li'l Bad Wolf, Chip 'N Dale, Bucky Bug, Winnie the Pooh, Scamp, Bre'r Rabbit or Little Hiawatha would be included (even though creators have previously tried to shoehorn some of them in, even Barks in stories he drew but didn't write; I dislike the idea of the Cinderella mice living on Grandma's farm as well for many reasons, not least of which is that it raises unexplainable issues related to degrees of anthropomorphism). And I still maintain that I would prefer to see the non-Duck and Mice stories very rarely, if at all, even in WDC&S. Also, personally I prefer that stories pairing Mickey and Donald be printed sparingly. It's fine to have them together on the covers of WDC&S, as is being done, but they really belong to separate universes in my "head canon".
Thomps2525
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Message 20 -
2015-05-31 at 18:31:20
Someone on the Disney Princesses website studied clothing styles, history and locations in order to determine which time period each of the Disney princesses lived in. She concluded that the story of Cinderella takes place in Germany and dates from the 1850s-80s. Does that mean that Gus and Jaq were a hundred years old when they took up residence on Grandma Duck's farm? And how did they get all the way from Germany to the outskirts of Duckburg? "Zuk zuk!"
http://d-princesses.livejournal.com/1104677.html
http://d-princesses.livejournal.com/1104677.html
Ramapith
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Message 21 -
2015-05-31 at 18:36:40
Quote from user: MatildaGemstone did not have the license for feature-film characters, but they explained that they were able to print Scamp comics because Scamp, although the son of Lady and the Tramp, did not appear as a named character in the film but rather was developed for the comics. A delicate distinction!
Gemstone said that? (I don't doubt it??I just don't remember it.)
In my memory, at Gemstone we were officially allowed to star any character who had appeared in Walt Disney's Comics and Stories, with the singular exception of Winnie the Pooh and his group (due to some pre-existing arrangement at that time). I believe we avoided Madam Mim only because we'd never??ever??had a request for her. Or am I forgetting some point at which we actually stated otherwise?
Gemstone said that? (I don't doubt it??I just don't remember it.)
In my memory, at Gemstone we were officially allowed to star any character who had appeared in Walt Disney's Comics and Stories, with the singular exception of Winnie the Pooh and his group (due to some pre-existing arrangement at that time). I believe we avoided Madam Mim only because we'd never??ever??had a request for her. Or am I forgetting some point at which we actually stated otherwise?
Matilda
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Message 22 -
2015-05-31 at 20:18:35
Quote from user: ramapithIn my memory, at Gemstone we were officially allowed to star any character who had appeared in Walt Disney's Comics and Stories, with the singular exception of Winnie the Pooh and his group (due to some pre-existing arrangement at that time). I believe we avoided Madam Mim only because we'd never??ever??had a request for her. Or am I forgetting some point at which we actually stated otherwise?
OK, I guess then I'm the *sole* person ever to request a Mim story! :) I did request a reprint of "Secret of the Sphinx" from Beagle Boys #1; it was important to me in my childhood as the closest I found to a Disney comics adventure story with a female lead. This letter was printed in WDCS 657, and the response was:
Madam Mim is a feature film character and, technically, we don't presently have the rights to publish stories which contain her. Since the Beagle Boys are the title characters in the story, however, it's possible an exception can be made. We'll look into it. (end quote)
Actually, "Secret of the Sphinx" had "The Beagle Boys and the Marvelous Mad Madam Mim" all crowded in above the title of the story. But I don't know whether the Gemstone folks actually investigated the possibility of reprinting that story, and if so, whether it made any difference what names appeared above the title.
Mim was firmly ensconced in my child-mind as living in a cottage in the woods near Duckburg, and she's still there, in my head canon. So I'd be happy to see her turn up again in the pages of an American Disney comic. But I may be alone in that wish...in which case, I'll go re-read European Mim stories and satisfy my need for funny and adventurous female characters in American comics with Eurasia Toft and, um, The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl.
OK, I guess then I'm the *sole* person ever to request a Mim story! :) I did request a reprint of "Secret of the Sphinx" from Beagle Boys #1; it was important to me in my childhood as the closest I found to a Disney comics adventure story with a female lead. This letter was printed in WDCS 657, and the response was:
Madam Mim is a feature film character and, technically, we don't presently have the rights to publish stories which contain her. Since the Beagle Boys are the title characters in the story, however, it's possible an exception can be made. We'll look into it. (end quote)
Actually, "Secret of the Sphinx" had "The Beagle Boys and the Marvelous Mad Madam Mim" all crowded in above the title of the story. But I don't know whether the Gemstone folks actually investigated the possibility of reprinting that story, and if so, whether it made any difference what names appeared above the title.
Mim was firmly ensconced in my child-mind as living in a cottage in the woods near Duckburg, and she's still there, in my head canon. So I'd be happy to see her turn up again in the pages of an American Disney comic. But I may be alone in that wish...in which case, I'll go re-read European Mim stories and satisfy my need for funny and adventurous female characters in American comics with Eurasia Toft and, um, The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl.
Matilda
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Message 23 -
2015-05-31 at 20:47:49
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxAlso, personally I prefer that stories pairing Mickey and Donald be printed sparingly. It's fine to have them together on the covers of WDC&S, as is being done, but they really belong to separate universes in my "head canon".
Mickey and Donald definitely live in separate universes in my head canon, too. So no story in which they both appear becomes "real" to me. I do, however, enjoy many stories which don't (for one reason or another) become real to me. So I'm perfectly happy to see such stories printed.
Perhaps we should start a thread on head canons. It could be fun to see what people's head canons look like. And then there are people like GeoX, who don't have a head canon at all! There are good stories and bad stories, as I understand him to say, but he doesn't create a consistent inner Duckburg/Mouseton including only certain stories that fit the criteria of his head canon.
On Gus & Jaq: as has been said earlier on this forum, by myself and by GeoX, they have no place on Grandma's farm or ANYWHERE IN ANY UNIVERSE I SET FOOT IN, thank you. Execrable little varmints. Chip & Dale, on the other hand, can be charming if well handled, and I'm willing to let them interact with Donald (as in the cartoons), as long as Donald does not understand their language (it presumably sounds like chipmunk chatter to him). Then they're not that different from Tabby in the Fethry stories, in level of anthropomorphism.* (In my head canon, Fethry hung out with Donald in Donald's early adulthood, pre-HDL, when he was living alone with Tabby. Thus any Fethry stories in which HDL appear do not become "real" to me. Fethry then moved far away [perhaps to Italy, to be a reporter for Topolino?] before HDL came on the scene, which explains why he does not appear in any of the stories of my childhood or in any of Rosa's stories. See? It all fits!!)
edit: *nor is it that different from the level of anthropomorphism which Barks accorded to Bolivar in "The Gab-Muffer," where he beats Helper at chess, or to the Official Hound in "Beach Boy," where at the end he understands what the others are saying about Donald's trickery and tells him "in dog talk" (dragging Donald to the barbecue, pointing and "wurf"ing) that he must cook for the troop.
Mickey and Donald definitely live in separate universes in my head canon, too. So no story in which they both appear becomes "real" to me. I do, however, enjoy many stories which don't (for one reason or another) become real to me. So I'm perfectly happy to see such stories printed.
Perhaps we should start a thread on head canons. It could be fun to see what people's head canons look like. And then there are people like GeoX, who don't have a head canon at all! There are good stories and bad stories, as I understand him to say, but he doesn't create a consistent inner Duckburg/Mouseton including only certain stories that fit the criteria of his head canon.
On Gus & Jaq: as has been said earlier on this forum, by myself and by GeoX, they have no place on Grandma's farm or ANYWHERE IN ANY UNIVERSE I SET FOOT IN, thank you. Execrable little varmints. Chip & Dale, on the other hand, can be charming if well handled, and I'm willing to let them interact with Donald (as in the cartoons), as long as Donald does not understand their language (it presumably sounds like chipmunk chatter to him). Then they're not that different from Tabby in the Fethry stories, in level of anthropomorphism.* (In my head canon, Fethry hung out with Donald in Donald's early adulthood, pre-HDL, when he was living alone with Tabby. Thus any Fethry stories in which HDL appear do not become "real" to me. Fethry then moved far away [perhaps to Italy, to be a reporter for Topolino?] before HDL came on the scene, which explains why he does not appear in any of the stories of my childhood or in any of Rosa's stories. See? It all fits!!)
edit: *nor is it that different from the level of anthropomorphism which Barks accorded to Bolivar in "The Gab-Muffer," where he beats Helper at chess, or to the Official Hound in "Beach Boy," where at the end he understands what the others are saying about Donald's trickery and tells him "in dog talk" (dragging Donald to the barbecue, pointing and "wurf"ing) that he must cook for the troop.
Robb_K
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Message 24 -
2015-05-31 at 21:53:57
Quote from user: Thomps2525Someone on the Disney Princesses website studied clothing styles, history and locations in order to determine which time period each of the Disney princesses lived in. She concluded that the story of Cinderella takes place in Germany and dates from the 1850s-80s. Does that mean that Gus and Jaq were a hundred years old when they took up residence on Grandma Duck's farm? And how did they get all the way from Germany to the outskirts of Duckburg? "Zuk zuk!"
http://d-princesses.livejournal.com/1104677.html
But, Donald and his nephews and all The Duck Universe Characters and all The Mouse Universe characters, and all the other Disney characters live in The Netherlands. But, whether they live in Europe or Egypt, or USA, The Disney Comic Book World/Universe is NOT our real World. It is an ALTERNATE universe, in which certain features are different. There are beings that are NOT humans, and not animals that we know. So, USA and The Netherlands, and Japan in The Disney Universe are NOT the same as in our "real" World. So, why do yo expect those other aspects to coincide with those in OUR existence. The "Mad Duke of Duckburg" was a medieval Lord in The Greater Duckburg Area" - as portrayed by Carl Barks. He lived in a very old castle that Scrooge visited in a time that had electric and telephone wires strung on poles. IF Duckburg is in USA, perhaps USA in the Barks or Disney Universe is on the same continent as Europe. The Folktale of "Cinderella" is probably as old as The Middle Ages", or the basic story may have originated in ancient Keltic times, before Europe was even civilised. So, each telling of it, that is portrayed with drawings is an update. Maybe The Disney version was trying to portray a "generic" west/central European kingdom during the 1800s. But, trying to peg those things is generally fruitless, as they have generally been researched poorly, and made inaccurate purposely for guessed "entertained value". Almost all have inconsistencies using elements from different eras and countries together, and use extremely inaccurate clichés.
So, why try to use "scientific method" to determine what is "true" in a fantasy world, based on what is true in Our "real" World, when what people wrote and drew is most often based on collective misinformation, impressions, clichés and just based on what is needed to tell a story? That makes no sense. Why not just accept it for what it is in the context of the universe, world, country, province or state, county and city, town or village that the authors and artists created and portrayed?
http://d-princesses.livejournal.com/1104677.html
But, Donald and his nephews and all The Duck Universe Characters and all The Mouse Universe characters, and all the other Disney characters live in The Netherlands. But, whether they live in Europe or Egypt, or USA, The Disney Comic Book World/Universe is NOT our real World. It is an ALTERNATE universe, in which certain features are different. There are beings that are NOT humans, and not animals that we know. So, USA and The Netherlands, and Japan in The Disney Universe are NOT the same as in our "real" World. So, why do yo expect those other aspects to coincide with those in OUR existence. The "Mad Duke of Duckburg" was a medieval Lord in The Greater Duckburg Area" - as portrayed by Carl Barks. He lived in a very old castle that Scrooge visited in a time that had electric and telephone wires strung on poles. IF Duckburg is in USA, perhaps USA in the Barks or Disney Universe is on the same continent as Europe. The Folktale of "Cinderella" is probably as old as The Middle Ages", or the basic story may have originated in ancient Keltic times, before Europe was even civilised. So, each telling of it, that is portrayed with drawings is an update. Maybe The Disney version was trying to portray a "generic" west/central European kingdom during the 1800s. But, trying to peg those things is generally fruitless, as they have generally been researched poorly, and made inaccurate purposely for guessed "entertained value". Almost all have inconsistencies using elements from different eras and countries together, and use extremely inaccurate clichés.
So, why try to use "scientific method" to determine what is "true" in a fantasy world, based on what is true in Our "real" World, when what people wrote and drew is most often based on collective misinformation, impressions, clichés and just based on what is needed to tell a story? That makes no sense. Why not just accept it for what it is in the context of the universe, world, country, province or state, county and city, town or village that the authors and artists created and portrayed?
Robb_K
Uncle Scrooge 2 (406)
Message 25 -
2015-05-31 at 22:58:07
Quote from user: WBHaha! I getcha. But, thats the way its always been as this is the only book that allows the other characters and other stories that wouldnt fit the regular mold to shine and there really are good stories that exist with the extra characters.
No, really.
I seen em.
They do exist!
It's just that sometimes ya gotta search for 'em. ;)
I'm with GeoX on Hiawatha though...
Yes! We need at least ONE book for them. I, myself have produced severalstories using non-Ducks and non-Mice. I want some sort of English language outlet for them.
No, really.
I seen em.
They do exist!
It's just that sometimes ya gotta search for 'em. ;)
I'm with GeoX on Hiawatha though...
Yes! We need at least ONE book for them. I, myself have produced severalstories using non-Ducks and non-Mice. I want some sort of English language outlet for them.
Baar Baar Jinx
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Message 26 -
2015-05-31 at 23:28:57
Quote from user: MatildaPerhaps we should start a thread on head canons. It could be fun to see what people's head canons look like.
We kind of had one, although it was mixed up with fan fiction from various posters. Some long-forgotten interesting discussions on that thread, as well as a few of the topics that have already come up on this one.
Quote from user: MatildaChip & Dale, on the other hand, can be charming if well handled, and I'm willing to let them interact with Donald (as in the cartoons), as long as Donald does not understand their language (it presumably sounds like chipmunk chatter to him).
I have the same problem with Chip and Dale that I have with the Cinderella mice. Where exactly do they fit on the anthropomorphism scale? I know it's an arbitrary and ill-defined distinction, but to me, the ability to communicate verbally with humans (ironically, folks like Donald and Mickey), and wearing clothes seems to be the defining line. Bolivar, like Tabby and Pluto, does not do those things, so I can accept all of them as coexisting with the human characters.
Quote from user: MatildaIn my head canon, Fethry hung out with Donald in Donald's early adulthood, pre-HDL, when he was living alone with Tabby. Thus any Fethry stories in which HDL appear do not become "real" to me. Fethry then moved far away [perhaps to Italy, to be a reporter for Topolino?] before HDL came on the scene, which explains why he does not appear in any of the stories of my childhood or in any of Rosa's stories. See? It all fits!!)
To muddy things further, Fethry was referred to as "Donald's cousin from overseas" in his first appearance in a Gladstone II published-story. He seems to be a quintessential foreigner in that tale, constantly saying things like "What a country!", suggesting that he's not used to Americanisms. Based on that story, rather than leaving the US as an adult, it looks like Fethry grew up in another country. Because of that one story, I have always accepted that theory, so in my head canon, the Hubbard Fethry submissions could only have happened after Fethry moved to the US as an adult. Possibly before HD&L came to live with Donald. I always felt that if, as Rosa suggests, Fethry is the son of Uncle Eider, then that whole branch of the family must have emigrated from the US, explaining their absence from contemporary Barks/Rosa stories set in Duckburg. Uncle Eider sends Donald a falcon, so he's still alive. I always imagined Fethry being from Australia, for some reason, in my head canon.
Did Scarpa ever use Fethry?
We kind of had one, although it was mixed up with fan fiction from various posters. Some long-forgotten interesting discussions on that thread, as well as a few of the topics that have already come up on this one.
Quote from user: MatildaChip & Dale, on the other hand, can be charming if well handled, and I'm willing to let them interact with Donald (as in the cartoons), as long as Donald does not understand their language (it presumably sounds like chipmunk chatter to him).
I have the same problem with Chip and Dale that I have with the Cinderella mice. Where exactly do they fit on the anthropomorphism scale? I know it's an arbitrary and ill-defined distinction, but to me, the ability to communicate verbally with humans (ironically, folks like Donald and Mickey), and wearing clothes seems to be the defining line. Bolivar, like Tabby and Pluto, does not do those things, so I can accept all of them as coexisting with the human characters.
Quote from user: MatildaIn my head canon, Fethry hung out with Donald in Donald's early adulthood, pre-HDL, when he was living alone with Tabby. Thus any Fethry stories in which HDL appear do not become "real" to me. Fethry then moved far away [perhaps to Italy, to be a reporter for Topolino?] before HDL came on the scene, which explains why he does not appear in any of the stories of my childhood or in any of Rosa's stories. See? It all fits!!)
To muddy things further, Fethry was referred to as "Donald's cousin from overseas" in his first appearance in a Gladstone II published-story. He seems to be a quintessential foreigner in that tale, constantly saying things like "What a country!", suggesting that he's not used to Americanisms. Based on that story, rather than leaving the US as an adult, it looks like Fethry grew up in another country. Because of that one story, I have always accepted that theory, so in my head canon, the Hubbard Fethry submissions could only have happened after Fethry moved to the US as an adult. Possibly before HD&L came to live with Donald. I always felt that if, as Rosa suggests, Fethry is the son of Uncle Eider, then that whole branch of the family must have emigrated from the US, explaining their absence from contemporary Barks/Rosa stories set in Duckburg. Uncle Eider sends Donald a falcon, so he's still alive. I always imagined Fethry being from Australia, for some reason, in my head canon.
Did Scarpa ever use Fethry?
Thomps2525
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Message 27 -
2015-05-31 at 23:30:38
Robb, it was Don Rosa who assigned Duckburg to a specific area. In that "alternate universe," Duckburg is in the state of Calisota. Its location corresponds with the "real universe" location of Eureka in northern California. The word "eureka" derives from a Greek phrase meaning "I have found it" and is often shouted by people who make an amazing discovery or develop a successful invention. A person (or a duck) who discovers gold or oil will probably shout "Eureka!" and that makes the "alternate universe" equivalent of Eureka an appropriate place for Scrooge's money bin.
And now I'm trying to recall if I've ever seen a real duck wearing a sailor suit. :)
And now I'm trying to recall if I've ever seen a real duck wearing a sailor suit. :)
Nectaria
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Message 28 -
2015-06-01 at 00:58:29
Quote from user: Thomps2525And now I'm trying to recall if I've ever seen a real duck wearing a sailor suit. :)
It would be weird and funny to see a real duck wearing a sailor suit like Donald's :P. Same with a real mouse wearing Mickey's clothes too :P.
I know that some fans didn't like the idea of having non-Mice/non-Ducks characters appearing in Mice and Ducks stories but do you prefer those characters to appear only in stories of their own universes? I always thinking that Chip 'n' Dale lives in the same universe as Donald's but some of their stories don't fit in the Ducks universe and those stories will take place in an alternate universe where the duck characters don't exist like in the later italian stories. Donald does appear in some early italian CD stories but later he was ignored and never appeared in any other italian CD stories. I agree with Rob Klein that the countries in the Disney Comics Universes are not the same as the ones in the real world. I always thought that the countries in every cartoons and comics universes are different universes compared to the real world.
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxDid Scarpa ever use Fethry?
The answer is yes. I have seen some Scarpa stories that featured him. You can see the list of his appearances in the Scarpa stories here.
It would be weird and funny to see a real duck wearing a sailor suit like Donald's :P. Same with a real mouse wearing Mickey's clothes too :P.
I know that some fans didn't like the idea of having non-Mice/non-Ducks characters appearing in Mice and Ducks stories but do you prefer those characters to appear only in stories of their own universes? I always thinking that Chip 'n' Dale lives in the same universe as Donald's but some of their stories don't fit in the Ducks universe and those stories will take place in an alternate universe where the duck characters don't exist like in the later italian stories. Donald does appear in some early italian CD stories but later he was ignored and never appeared in any other italian CD stories. I agree with Rob Klein that the countries in the Disney Comics Universes are not the same as the ones in the real world. I always thought that the countries in every cartoons and comics universes are different universes compared to the real world.
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxDid Scarpa ever use Fethry?
The answer is yes. I have seen some Scarpa stories that featured him. You can see the list of his appearances in the Scarpa stories here.
Matilda
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Message 29 -
2015-06-01 at 01:23:50
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxI have the same problem with Chip and Dale that I have with the Cinderella mice. Where exactly do they fit on the anthropomorphism scale? I know it's an arbitrary and ill-defined distinction, but to me, the ability to communicate verbally with humans (ironically, folks like Donald and Mickey), and wearing clothes seems to be the defining line. Bolivar, like Tabby and Pluto, does not do those things, so I can accept all of them as coexisting with the human characters.
But... Chip and Dale do not wear clothes (except in their Rescue Rangers personae). So wouldn't that make them OK, as long as Donald et al. are not depicted as understanding their speech? In the cartoon "Pluto's Christmas Tree" and its comic story adaptation, the chipmunks never communicate with Mickey. In "Toy Tinkers" and its comic story adaptation ("Such a Clatter"), you can read it as Donald just hearing chipmunk chatter and interpreting tone of voice...we understand what they're saying, but he doesn't need to. Same goes for the cartoon "Corn Chips," IIRC. I know C&D speak to, and are understood by, various people (Donald, dognoses, whatever) in stories published in "Chip 'n' Dale." But in my head canon, their speech is only intelligible to each other (or other only-partially-anthropomorphized and unclothed animals).
Anyway, I'm perfectly happy if the chipmunks never mix with Donald again in American comic pages. I merely explain my head canon, I don't argue for its acceptance by anyone else. Cartoons and their adaptations aside, my favorite C&D stories do not have them interacting directly with Ducks. It's interesting, BTW, that INDUCKS lists three "universes" for the characters Chip and Dale: Rescue Rangers, Forest, and "Donald and CD."
But... Chip and Dale do not wear clothes (except in their Rescue Rangers personae). So wouldn't that make them OK, as long as Donald et al. are not depicted as understanding their speech? In the cartoon "Pluto's Christmas Tree" and its comic story adaptation, the chipmunks never communicate with Mickey. In "Toy Tinkers" and its comic story adaptation ("Such a Clatter"), you can read it as Donald just hearing chipmunk chatter and interpreting tone of voice...we understand what they're saying, but he doesn't need to. Same goes for the cartoon "Corn Chips," IIRC. I know C&D speak to, and are understood by, various people (Donald, dognoses, whatever) in stories published in "Chip 'n' Dale." But in my head canon, their speech is only intelligible to each other (or other only-partially-anthropomorphized and unclothed animals).
Anyway, I'm perfectly happy if the chipmunks never mix with Donald again in American comic pages. I merely explain my head canon, I don't argue for its acceptance by anyone else. Cartoons and their adaptations aside, my favorite C&D stories do not have them interacting directly with Ducks. It's interesting, BTW, that INDUCKS lists three "universes" for the characters Chip and Dale: Rescue Rangers, Forest, and "Donald and CD."
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2015-06-01 at 01:26:09
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxTo muddy things further, Fethry was referred to as "Donald's cousin from overseas" in his first appearance in a Gladstone II published-story. He seems to be a quintessential foreigner in that tale, constantly saying things like "What a country!", suggesting that he's not used to Americanisms.
I can't argue with your personal headcanon??you have the right to believe in the Duck universe as you see it!
But as enjoyable as that translation was, I can't personally view it as an authoritative source of canon for the character; nor would I ever alter today's Fethry stories to match it. The real Fethry had made a few earlier US appearances in the 1960s, and in them he was quite clearly nothing but an American.
Quote from user: Thomps2525Robb, it was Don Rosa who assigned Duckburg to a specific area. In that "alternate universe," Duckburg is in the state of Calisota.
Thomps, Calisota was actually created by Carl Barks. Rosa decided where it might be likely placed on the map, but he didn't come up with its name (nor, in case you're wondering, did he put Mouseton there too; that was Romano Scarpa's doing).
I can't argue with your personal headcanon??you have the right to believe in the Duck universe as you see it!
But as enjoyable as that translation was, I can't personally view it as an authoritative source of canon for the character; nor would I ever alter today's Fethry stories to match it. The real Fethry had made a few earlier US appearances in the 1960s, and in them he was quite clearly nothing but an American.
Quote from user: Thomps2525Robb, it was Don Rosa who assigned Duckburg to a specific area. In that "alternate universe," Duckburg is in the state of Calisota.
Thomps, Calisota was actually created by Carl Barks. Rosa decided where it might be likely placed on the map, but he didn't come up with its name (nor, in case you're wondering, did he put Mouseton there too; that was Romano Scarpa's doing).