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Topic: New DuckTales series coming in 2017 on Disney XD

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Matilda
Quote from user: Mr. MLet's bring Dickie Duck and maybe in honor of Rosa - a flash-back episode of Scrooge having adventure with his sisters. :)
Both excellent ideas. I'm all for bringing in Dickie Duck...though I do wish she had a better name in English. "Dickie Duck" just sounds so stupid. Maybe they could take this opportunity to give her a better name, since she's just barely appeared in comics in the US. If they were to say she was Goldie's granddaughter, they would probably have to clarify whether her grandfather on that side was Scrooge or some other guy Goldie knew or was married to!

And a flashback to Scrooge's earlier life with his sisters--that could be fun, too. Byron Erickson successfully did a flashback to Scrooge's childhood Christmas in Scotland with his family (even explaining why they had a Christmas celebration once, when that wasn't done in Scotland back then!) in his recent four-part story where Donald is in search of Christmas traditions. That flashback fits in just fine with Rosa's L&T.
Thomps2525
I hope the animation for the new DuckTales series will be an improvement over the animation in the original series. Look at the opening panel of Carl Barks' "Only A Poor Old Man" story---and yes, Scrooge is a duck, not a man, but we'll overlook that for now---and then look at the money-bin "tidal wave" from the opening of the 1987-90 DuckTales series. Granted, it is much easier to draw a picture than to animate a scene, but that tidal wave is far beneath Disney's standards. If that concept will be part of the new series' opening, I hope it will be done by computer animation and not by hand.
http://www.fantagraphics.com/browse-shop/walt-disney-s-uncle-scrooge-only-a-poor-old-man-the-complete-carl-barks-disney-library-vol-12-new-printing-pre-order-u-s-canada-only--4.html?vmcchk=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ieii1qGXETo
Mesterius
Quote from user: skritterThe only good thing that we can guarantee about the new series is that it will be in HD and wide screen.
Let's not be too hasty there. 4K can be the new trend on television by 2017!
Baar Baar Jinx
Quote from user: Thomps2525I hope the animation for the new DuckTales series will be an improvement over the animation in the original series.
I second that as well. I've heard the animation on the '80's DuckTales show described as top-notch, high-quality, and setting new standards for daytime cartoons. Truth be told, I've always found it somewhat banal and average, with stiff movements and unappealing character designs ( I realize that the large eyes, small beak and short neck on Scrooge, Donald, etc. is in keeping with the corporate look, but I felt DuckTales was exaggerating it even further at times). Rewatching some episodes now, the "meh" factor is even starker. Say what you will about Quack Pack, but the animation on that show was comparatively far more fluid and dynamic, and they managed to keep the standards high for its entire, though admittedly short, run. I get the feeling that animators on DuckTales were somewhat restrained, whereas the animators on Quack Pack were allowed to use exaggeration techniques. Squash-and-stretch and distorted interframes are perfectly acceptable, after all, this is a show about talking ducks! I suppose there may have been a frame rate (i.e., budget) issue as well.
Angilasman
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxQuote from user: Thomps2525I hope the animation for the new DuckTales series will be an improvement over the animation in the original series.
I second that as well. I've heard the animation on the '80's DuckTales show described as top-notch, high-quality, and setting new standards for daytime cartoons. Truth be told, I've always found it somewhat banal and average, with stiff movements and unappealing character designs ( I realize that the large eyes, small beak and short neck on Scrooge, Donald, etc. is in keeping with the corporate look, but I felt DuckTales was exaggerating it even further at times). Rewatching some episodes now, the "meh" factor is even starker. Say what you will about Quack Pack, but the animation on that show was comparatively far more fluid and dynamic, and they managed to keep the standards high for its entire, though admittedly short, run. I get the feeling that animators on DuckTales were somewhat restrained, whereas the animators on Quack Pack were allowed to use exaggeration techniques. Squash-and-stretch and distorted interframes are perfectly acceptable, after all, this is a show about talking ducks! I suppose there may have been a frame rate (i.e., budget) issue as well.

You have to realize just how mind-bendingly cheap and cheap looking American television cartoons tended to be before. DuckTales was at the beginning of a wave of shows that saw quality improve dramatically. While the animation might not seem too impressive from today's vantage point, back in the day people knew they were seeing something with far more effort put into it than usual.
Mr. M
I consider Duck Tales animation pretty solid. In my opinion it looks much better then many show today where character designs are often more simplistic and movement is done in flash rather then cell animation (which I personally consider a step back)
Asdqqq
No chance for hand drawn animation. Disney does not do that anymore. That doesn't mean it will be 3d, they still do plenty of 2d computer animation.
MustangRockstar
Ducktales is one of my all time favorite shows. Like Batman The Animated Series, Garfield and Friends, and Real Ghostbusters, it doesn't bother me that it strays from its source material. I've never been bothered by having different variations of concept or universe - I view them as separate entities. I believe one can easily appreciate both for different qualities. I also think accepting them as different only strengthens the enjoyment people can get from the characters.
Iggyk23
I m no fan of cgi but it would look much better than super minimalistic 2d animation everyone is doing past decade or so.
Deyanmegara
Quote from user: asdqqqNo chance for hand drawn animation. Disney does not do that anymore. That doesn't mean it will be 3d, they still do plenty of 2d computer animation.
Phineas and Ferb and Gravity Falls are hand drawn, but put together and colored with computer software.
MustangRockstar
Quote from user: asdqqqNo chance for hand drawn animation. Disney does not do that anymore. That doesn't mean it will be 3d, they still do plenty of 2d computer animation.
I'm okay with going cg, I just hope they don't go minimalistic or stylized. Ducktales represented a highmark for quality in television animation. I'd prefer not to see that legacy ruined.

The hard thing for Disney is that Ducktales set a pretty high bar. People are going to hold them to those standards.

I also hope that this series prompts Disney to release volume 4 of the original series (along with the remainder of their Disney Afternoon offerings).
Mr. M
Quote from user: MustangRockstarI'm okay with going cg, I just hope they don't go minimalistic or stylized.
For me CGI works best either when it's super stylized (like "Rango" or this upcoming Popeye movie : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4tNuM9XttM ) or very realistic (Spilber's "Tintin", Gollum in the "Lord of the Rings"/"Hobbit" movies, robots in "Wall-E" ) but sadly those are movies where they can afford time and money. As far TV CG animation go, I'm extremely skeptical about quality, especially with Disney.

As much I find this "cute" I can't but help to consider animation in their current TV cartoons cheep and odd looking, especially when they incorporate classical characters :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Se0VBzCVJI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIN-X_lagdk

Going away from Disney and CGI - Probably the best animation I've seen in a TV show in recent years was "Avatar"/"Legend of Korra" (which is handrawn) but those shows are more action oriented and realistic/anime looking.
Thomps2525
Dan Povenmire and Jeff "Swampy" Marsh had both worked as directors on the 1993-96 Rocko's Modern Life series before coming up with the idea for Phineas & Ferb. Several networks, including Fox Kids and Nickelodeon, rejected the series. Povenmire and Marsh figured that Disney would not be interested either, because Phineas had a triangular head and didn't look like any Disney character. However, they presented the Phineas & Ferb idea to Disney in 2006...and Disney liked it! The series began airing in 2007 and is produced by Disney Television Animation. DTA also produces Fish Hooks, Gravity Falls and Wander Over Yonder, all of which use that "minimalistic" and "stylized" animation that MustangRockstar refers to. Motion-picture computer animation continues to improve---look at the snowstorms in Frozen, for example---but animation for television shows is regressing. Too many modern-day cartoon series have animation that doesn't look much better than the Mr. Magoo and Hanna-Barbera series of the 1960s. As I said, I hope Disney will put some extra effort into the new DuckTales episodes. A wealthy duck does not deserve cheap animation!
Thomps2525
Mr. M, this is a Disney forum so I don't want to say too much about that upcoming Popeye film but I just watched the brief preview and I have to say that Olive Oyl looks worse in 3D than she does in 2D! And I don't like the way Popeye sounds. His voice is far different from how he sounded in the 1942-57 theatrical cartoons when Jack Mercer provided the voice. Tom Kenny, who has provided voices for CatDog, The Powerpuff Girls, Cow & Chicken, SpongeBob SquarePants, Wander Over Yonder and dozens of other series, voices Popeye in the new movie. I miss Jack Mercer.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled DuckTales discussion.
Angilasman
^I think the Popeye animation test is terrific! Olive looks great, and Tom Kenny is a great voice actor, so ever if he can't replicate Mercer if he's able to get the spirit mostly right I'm fine with it.
As for DuckTales potentiality having a more modern style of minimized character designs? I'd have to see them before I could comment. It all depends on if the designs are good and manage to convey character despite being simpler. I think the Scrooge design from the current Mickey shorts was a bit lame, but the designs for the main characters (Mickey and Goofy, especially) are terrific. I think this was more of a case of Scrooge just being a guest character with five seconds of screen time so he was rushed.
Disney makes several Marvel Comics based shows that have more detailed, "realistic" characters and I think the animation isn't near as fluid or visually striking as their shows which have the simpler character designs. That is the trade-off: they make things so much easier.
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