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Topic: New DuckTales series coming in 2017 on Disney XD

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Arnaud
Well, it doesn't have to necessarily be CGI :
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC6qIbU1olyXQe1WOKt8UJ4hErx3D7qt8
Nor that style either. Just, there's many ways to do it ! :)
Thomps2525
Arnaud, thank you for posting that link. I have a DVD of the first season's episodes of the "new" Mickey Mouse cartoons. There are a lot of really clever gags and quite a few cameo appearances by characters such as Cinderella, José Carioca, Belle and the Beast, but I'm having a hard time getting used to the new look of the "Fab Five." Mickey's design isn't that bad but Donald's look has changed much too dramatically. I wonder if Walt Disney would have approved of the redesigned characters. The DuckTales cartoons are grounded in Carl Barks' 1950s-60s comic book stories so I imagine that the upcoming tv series will maintain that comic-book style of artwork.
Angilasman, you are correct that simpler designs are easier to animate. How many Disney characters have five fingers, not four, on each hand? :)
Angilasman
^I agree that their Donald design looks less like himself in the new shorts. It's odd: Mickey and Goofy are certainly more stylized, but they still look very much like Mickey and Goofy.
Mr. M
Quote from user: Thomps2525And I don't like the way Popeye sounds. His voice is far different from how he sounded in the 1942-57 theatrical cartoons when Jack Mercer provided the voice. Tom Kenny, who has provided voices for CatDog, The Powerpuff Girls, Cow & Chicken, SpongeBob SquarePants, Wander Over Yonder and dozens of other series, voices Popeye in the new movie.
For the record, as far the voices go this is just a test so I don't think those are the "final" voices/official actors for the movie. For long time there been rumors that Jim Carrey and Amy Addams will voice Popeye and Olive BTW.

Quote from user: AngilasmanDisney makes several Marvel Comics based shows that have more detailed, "realistic" characters and I think the animation isn't near as fluid or visually striking as their shows which have the simpler character designs. That is the trade-off: they make things so much easier.
While I don't care for it story-wise I like the animation in the current Spider-man show, at least the way Spidey moves. His mask use to be a problem in older shows since we can't see the face and characters emotions where limited to his voice, yet here they manage to gave him some funny expression using just eyes. It's fit Spider-man since he is more comical superhero.

Quote from user: Thomps2525I'm having a hard time getting used to the new look of the "Fab Five." Mickey's design isn't that bad but Donald's look has changed much too dramatically. I wonder if Walt Disney would have approved of the redesigned characters. The DuckTales cartoons are grounded in Carl Barks' 1950s-60s comic book stories so I imagine that the upcoming tv series will maintain that comic-book style of artwork.
The animation design style will depend on which way they will go with the scripts. If they will make the show much more wacky/over the top then simpler style will be good, but if they will wan't to be more adventurous tone then I don't think it will fit. Just looking back how epic episodes like "Master of the Genie", "Working for Scale" or "Too much of a Gold thing" felt or how much spooky atmosphere "Sphinx for the memories" or "Hotel Strangeduck" had, simper animation would take away of this.

(Then again "Gravity Falls" has much more simpler style yet, they manage have some genuine scary moments... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7yKWmPaduo I'm 26 and I find this freaky as heck )

I love the backgrounds in the new game BTW, where they got the man who did backgrounds for the show. I wish they would bring him back for the new show as well.

And music! Oryginal show had some terrific music :D
Angilasman
Quote from user: Mr. MThe animation design style will depend on which way they will go with the scripts. If they will make the show much more wacky/over the top then simpler style will be good, but if they will wan't to be more adventurous tone then I don't think it will fit. Just looking back how epic episodes like "Master of the Genie", "Working for Scale" or "Too much of a Gold thing" felt or how much spooky atmosphere "Sphinx for the memories" or "Hotel Strangeduck" had, simper animation would take away of this.

(Then again "Gravity Falls" has much more simpler style yet, they manage have some genuine scary moments... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7yKWmPaduo I'm 26 and I find this freaky as heck )

Gravity Falls' characters are somewhat simplified (about as much as, say, The Simpsons) but the environments around them are often lush and detailed and very atmospheric.
MustangRockstar
You know Disney has done some serious damage to its reputation when there is concern it can't match the quality of something it did 30 years ago.
Here's to hoping.
Thomps2525
How about 62 years ago? Remember the 1953 Donald Duck cartoon Rugged Bear? Humphrey the Bear tries to elude hunters by pretending to be a bearskin rug in Donald's cabin. The stylized and very un-Disneylike artwork was an attempt to duplicate the style of Warner Brothers, whose Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck cartoons were far more popular than Mickey and Donald in the 1950s. Here is the Donald cartoon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXpmPGW_uDs
And here is a fun site I found which depicts all the scenes in Donald Duck cartoons which contained re-used or re-drawn animation from earlier cartoons:
http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_recycled_animation_in_Donald_Duck_shorts
HonuDan
Just a minor thought on TV animation quality, then vs. now: in 1987, an order of 65 episodes for DuckTales was really an ambitious and unheard of prospect, especially for WDTVA, which was a small operation and only had 2-3 seasons of Saturday morning product under their belt. More importantly, that's 65 episodes of FULL animation, not limited/planned output a la the Filmation or Hanna-Barbera house styles.
The animation styles and quality levels for those first 65 DuckTales episodes varied significantly, but that's only because several studios were involved in order to meet specific broadcast dates. Most of those studios were new to the "Disney" style of cartoons.
Remember, too, they were dealing strictly in cel animation in the late 1980s, so re-shoots and errors were costly and had to be kept to a minimum in order to get the corrected footage shipped back from overseas studios. The producers on the original show had to balance what they wanted with what time and budget permitted (no one involved wanted an inferior episode with their name on it.)
Today, it's possible to replicate that same 1987 DuckTales look pretty closely using 2-D character model packages, and a reasonable roll out of 13-episode "waves" vs. a hard 65-episode order. This system keeps things within budget while maintaining a consistent look across the life of the series. Some of the current productions from WDTVA such as Phineas and Ferb and the preschool show Jake and the Neverland Pirates have sharp, fluid animation that don't look Flash-animated at all.
I wouldn't lose hope on the quality level of DuckTales 2017 just yet??there's likely a lot of fans of DuckTales 1987 that are involved in the production of the new series. Many crew alumni on the original series are still working in the industry, such as music composer Ron Jones, and layout artist Mike Peraza: their involvement is a good possibility, as well as many members of the original voice-over cast.
As premises for the new series is concerned, had the Studio allowed them full use of Donald Duck as a series regular in 1987, I'm certain that would have been a thrill for guys like Jymn Magon and Alan Zaslove. Things have have changed since then, and the Studio has thankfully become less precious about using their most well-known characters. Since DuckTales has become such a well-loved phenomenon, Donald may have a more prominent role this time around. Wouldn't it be nice to see some Carl Barks 10-page stories brought to life in animation with Don and the kids, such as "Omelet" or "Terrible Tourist"? ?? Dan
Deyanmegara
Quote:Some of the current productions from WDTVA such as Phineas and Ferb and the preschool show Jake and the Neverland Pirates have sharp, fluid animation that don't look Flash-animated at all.
I repeat, Phineas and Ferb is not Flash, so far as I know. It is drawn by Asian studios, kind of like the old DuckTales. They do use computer graphics in some scenes, though. Jake and the Neverland Pirates does indeed look pretty well, compared for example with shows like Fish Hooks.

I do still hope, however, that they will choose to do DuckTales traditionally. Even if they don't, the way the show works is a matter of good design, which I hope Disney TVA can still do.
Baar Baar Jinx
Quote from user: HonuDanAs premises for the new series is concerned, had the Studio allowed them full use of Donald Duck as a series regular in 1987, I'm certain that would have been a thrill for guys like Jymn Magon and Alan Zaslove. Things have have changed since then, and the Studio has thankfully become less precious about using their most well-known characters. Since DuckTales has become such a well-loved phenomenon, Donald may have a more prominent role this time around. Wouldn't it be nice to see some Carl Barks 10-page stories brought to life in animation with Don and the kids, such as "Omelet" or "Terrible Tourist"? ?? Dan
Rewatching old episodes of Quack Pack and comparing them to classic Donald Duck cartoons, I am struck by how Tony Anselmo seems to have perfected a voice that is more comprehensible than the original Nash version, and yet is instantly recognizable as Donald. He seems to have developed this gradually over the years, since he sounded very different when he voiced Donald in DuckTales. I can easily see a currently Anselmo-voiced Donald as part of the main cast without the way he sounds being an issue. As has been discussed on this forum before, the original premise for Quack Pack was a straight spinoff of DuckTales, with Donald returning from the navy, reclaiming the nephews' care, and working for Scrooge, presumably with proper recognition of other Barksian elements omitted from or given short shrift in DuckTales (like the Donald-HDL adventures, Neighbor Jones, Gladstone, Grandma-Gus, Bolivar, etc.). If DuckTales 2017 can rekindle that original Duck Daze idea, it might be something that might satisfy DuckTales 1987 and Barks fans alike and go some way into bringing the comics Duck-world and the animated Duck-world into alignment.
MustangRockstar
Anselmo's voice has evolved, much like Nash's did, into more of a raspy characterization.
If you listen to Nash in Mickey's Christmas Carol, you can tell he made some adjustments to the voice to give it more range. Similarly, Anselmo's duck voice has increased range over the years.
Personally, it's Anselmo's work that enables me to hear Donald's voice in the comics. I know some people really struggle with that, but it's become second nature for me.
Dkenny78
As has been said earlier in this thread, the fact that the reference Barks up front in their press release gives me hope that they'll be true to the spirit of his stories and characters. That said, I am not expecting a literal adaptation of Barks. This is a reboot/continuation of Duck Tales and I expect it will stick closer to the earlier Duck Tales series than Barks. If they take the best of the '87 show (the treasure hunts, the dynamics between the core cast, the sense of humor), then I think we'll be well-served. I think the missteps of the second season (the more 'sitcom-y' plots, the the superfluous new characters) are well-known and I would hope the producers would do their best to avoid them.
Of course, I would love to see some new direct adaptations of Barks classics like LOST IN THE ANDES, THE GOLDEN HELMET, as well as adaptations of some of Rosa's best stories (though I would hope that, if they choose to utilize Mr. Rosa's material, they would offer to bring him on board creatively and compensate him accordingly).
MustangRockstar
I second everything that dkenny said.
Ducktales at its best was one heck of a good show, animated or otherwise. It came out during a time when people were rethinking what an animated series could be (along with Muppet Babies, Real Ghostbusters and Garfield) and set the stage for what we saw in later years from Disney and WB.
Unfortunately, it also came out in an era when studios couldn't leave well enough alone and tinkered with winning formulas that didn't need tinkering. The result was that seasons 2 and 3 strayed from what made the first season of Ducktales so popular - and the movie also had this flaw.
If the show sticks with adventures and interpersonal relationships, it will succeed.
As for animation, I would love to see something between Clone Wars/ Rebels and this - http://www.cgarena.com/freestuff/tutorials/misc/scrooge/uncle.html.
Dkenny78
Well said, MustangRockstar. Just from conversations I've had with friends of mine who watched the show growing up, and aren't Barks fans, it seems like the adventures/treasure hunts were the most fondly remembered episodes, so I think that will continue to be a main focus.
This might be an unpopular opinion on this forum, but I think there were a few things Duck Tales did BETTER than Barks (just a few, mind you!). I think the relationship between Scrooge and the boys, especially in the beginning of the series, is quite touching. Casting Scrooge in an official parental/guardian role brought an interesting side to his character that hadn't been explored up until that point. I know there are many that feel the show made him too 'warm and fuzzy' but it's inevitable with enduring characters that different interpretations will emphasize certain aspects of their personalities, and I think the Duck Tales producers were more-or-less successful in making Scrooge more upbeat without betraying the miserly qualities we loved about him in the first place.
What I'm really curious is how they handle the voice of Scrooge. I can't imagine that they would re-cast if Alan Young is still with us, but the demands of an entire series might be too much for him at his age. If he ultimately is not cast, do they hire a sound-alike (I would prefer not - I'd rather they just get another good actor who isn't desperately trying to imitate Young)?
MustangRockstar
Personally, I don't have a problem with the direction Ducktales took. Yes, it is different than Barks - but I'm okay with that. I've never had a problem with different interpretations of characters. I treat them as what they are - separate entities.
Ironically, I'm not sure a straight copy of Barks' Scrooge would translate as well onto the small screen. It also works the reverse way, Ducktales always lost something in the comic book format.
Ducktales introduced me to Scrooge McDuck and subsequently an interest in the comics. If it does the same for a new generation of kids, who am I to complain?
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