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Quote from user: MustangRockstarSad news indeed. I understand about Scrooge and Magica (whose voice actors are 95 and 97 respectively). However, I was hoping at least some of the actors could return - Terry McGovern, Frank Welker, Russi Taylor.
I am SHOCKED that they aren't using McGovern, Welker and Taylor - especially Taylor who I believe is still the official voice of Minnie Mouse so is still very much part of the Disney family. I also don't understand what the logic is in NOT using the healthy and still-working cast members. Is it their intent to do a complete fresh start with an entirely new cast so the new Scrooge or Magica voices don't seem so jarring?

All of the three but Frank Welker are already over 70. But he could always appear anyway - voicing anything from a bypasser to a seagull. Their voices may have even changed a bit since 1990, but I don't think their age is the main factor - Disney seems to want to "fresh start" its old characters, like they did for Mickey (they even replaced Bret Iwan, who is supposedly the "official" voice of MM).
On the other hand, I wonder what the translation of this film would sound like. 20 years ago they didn't seek a duck imitator for Donald and used a more regular, but still kind of squeaky/falsetto voice (same goes for the German dub of Donald). Many of the Bulgarian actors from the old cast no longer regularly work on film dubs, others seem to have sadly passed away. The voice direction was sometimes shaky, but the voices we always good.
Here's a little interesting fact I just found about the actor who voiced Scrooge in the Bulgarian dub of DuckTales, Georgi Mitev. The Yambol Puppet Theater was named in his honor in 2007.

When does a voice actor become "too old"? June Foray has been the voice of Granny, Rocky the Flying Squirrel, Natasha Fatale, Nell Fenwick, Grammi Gummi, Ma Beagle, Magica De Spell and hundreds of other characters. At age 82, she reprised her role as Rocky in the Rocky & Bullwinkle movie and at age 93 she reprised her role as Granny for Cartoon Network's Looney Tunes series. At age 95, she reprised her role as Magica De Spell for the DuckTales Remastered video game. Foray is now 97 and still does voice work. Hokey smokes!

Disney usually does an excellent job of finding voice actors who can duplicate the original character voices. For example, on the Jake & The Never Land Pirates tv series, Jeff Bennett does the voice of Mr. Smee and sounds exactly like the late Sterling Holloway. Mickey Mouse has been voiced by Walt Disney, James MacDonald, Les Perkins and Wayne Allwine and is currently voiced by Bret Iwan (on Mickey Mouse Clubhouse) and Chris Diamantopoulis (on the 2013-15 cartoons). Iwan's portrayal of Mickey is quite different from all the others' but it sounds more warm and "kid-friendly." I'm sure the new voice talent for DuckTales will sound just fine...but I'm wondering if Huey, Dewey and Louie will have traditional "duck voices" or if they will sound the way they did in the original series.

"I hope they sound the way they did in the original series."

I would like that, too.

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Quote from user: Fritz BaughI wouldn't be surprised if somebody at Disney thinks they can get away with paying younger actors less money. Or on the other hand, if they can get some "name" actors onboard to generate publicity. "Sorry, Terrence, but we managed to get Adam Sandler to do Launchpad's voice, and that's worth a lot more to us than you'll ever be!" Either way, it's just about got to be something cynical like that.
That might be a consideration for a standalone theatrical animated release, but it seems unlikely when we're talking about a TV series. Usually, it's the other way around; big-name actors provide voices for characters in movies, and a small stable of veteran cartoon voice actors do a great job approximating those voices for a lot less money in TV shows and direct-to-video spinoffs and sequels (e. g., Robin Williams voicing the Genie in Aladdin and Dan Castellaneta taking over the role in the animated show and some of the sequels).

Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderI mean, it's gotta be a fresh start. It's a reboot. It's 2015, not 1990, and frankly I hope they won't try to mimic a show that was last made a generation ago, like The Jetsons did in the 80s.
But, as has been pointed out, Disney tends to maintain a degree of standardization when it comes to the way their characters sound. The design, ambience, and thrust of a new DuckTales series can and should change, but if we go by Disney's history, the voices would be expected to be resilient. That said, some of Disney's voice casting decisions baffle me. For example, Soccermania is essentially a pilot for the original DuckTales, and Alan Young had presumably already been cast as Scrooge on the show. Why, then, did they have Will Ryan play him in Soccermania, especially in view of the fact that Young had already voiced Scrooge in Mickey's Christmas Carol? Also, why find a new voice for Mickey in the new animated shorts, when Bret Iwan is still voicing him elsewhere? I wonder if it's just Disney's way of warning their talent that they're replaceable.

Also, does the announcement that none of the original cast is returning for the new DuckTales show mean that someone other than Tony Anselmo, the only actor who's played the role of Donald since the death of Clarence Nash, will now be voicing the character?

Quote from user: Thomps2525How about 62 years ago? Remember the 1953 Donald Duck cartoon Rugged Bear? Humphrey the Bear tries to elude hunters by pretending to be a bearskin rug in Donald's cabin. The stylized and very un-Disneylike artwork was an attempt to duplicate the style of Warner Brothers, whose Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck cartoons were far more popular than Mickey and Donald in the 1950s. Here is the Donald cartoon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXpmPGW_uDs

And here is a fun site I found which depicts all the scenes in Donald Duck cartoons which contained re-used or re-drawn animation from earlier cartoons:

http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_recycled_animation_in_Donald_Duck_shorts
It's funny you should mention that. I'm a big railfan and a few months ago my son and I were watching Out of Scale and The Brave Engineer when I noticed what looked like a couple of very familiar scenes. I went online to play both episodes side by side and sure enough there are at least two places in both shorts that reuse animation. Granted there are some minor changes - coloring, backgrounds, details, etc., but there's no doubt it's the same core animation.

With that said, Disney's shortcuts still look superior to a lot of people's masterpieces. I just hope they do right by what was one of the most important and influential animated television programs in history.

I personally has mixed feelings toward the new Ducktales show. As most people here, I think, I enjoy the comics more than Ducktales and if they are just going to do same thing again I probably would still watch it but not with the same enthusiasm as I do with the Donald Duck and Uncle Scrooge comics. Ducktales was a good show but I think they changed and added a lot of stuff that wasn't really needed. And hearing they will not have the original voice actors, I think it would be a great time to do a proper reboot rather than a continuing of the same story. So this is what I would like the new show to be if they choose to do it from scratch:
Changes that I think are at least plausible:
1. That the creators follow much more closely the works of Carl Barks, Romano Scarpa, Don Rosa etc. but of course also put their own ideas into the show. This is more about the setting and the characters personalities I guess, as I think Ducktales changed to much that wasn't really needed, as stated earlier. In a new show I'm hoping that they would keep the comic books universe; Huey, Dewey and Louie is living with their uncle Donald and lives in a normal home, but Donald is having problems with the rent among other things (this could include Donald's long debt-list presented by Scrooge, seen in many Italian comics). Actually, I'm thinking that the show i somewhat "darkish" or at least a bit more down to earth. That the Duck family is quite poor, even if they have an rich uncle, and that they live in a tough world with Donald having problem finding work for example. Of course there should be a lot of jokes and highlights, but also some of the cynical and somewhat dark humor that I think Barks was very good at, like when Gladstone wins out over Donald who hilariously gets very frustrated over it.
So this show would focus on the lives, struggles and adventures of Donald and his nephews, surrounded by interesting and wacky characters, like Uncle Scrooge, and different situations. And as Donald is a major character in the show and the nephews lives with him, many of the Ducktales characters aren't needed, like Launchpad & Fenton (whom which aren't really bad characters but I always just saw them as replacements for Donald) and Mrs Beakley & Webby (which are not needed as the nephews lives with their uncle)
2. A change to Scrooge McDuck's character, as I think he way too nice in the Ducktales show. To me at least, when I really think of Scrooge I think of Bark's version of him, which is generally the comic book version overall as most writers follow that very closely I think. That version seems to me focus much more on how stingy and greedy he his and also a lot more paranoid about his money (I mean he has a huge old cannon in his office!). Also that he isn't really that nice to his fellow kin and quite (but not always) grumpy, as he thinks they shouldn't beg for money from him but instead get what they want by their own hard work and effort, like he did, and babbles on about how tough it was in Klondike etc. In his mind, he is doing them a huge favor that way, as he teaches them about honest work. In one episode in Ducktales for example, he gives Huey, Dewey and Louie a small amount of money to go to the movies. To me, he would not give them a single dime to use it on something so wasteful.
As in the comic books and the show he sometimes would take them out on treasure hunts, with Donald carrying all the supplies because of his debts to Scrooge (some slapstick humor). So he wouldn't really be a main character most of the time, but occasionally he would have episodes focusing on him and his problems. Also, I would like if they would use Scrooge's red coat in stead of the blue one. This isn't that big of a deal but I always liked the red one more.
3. Introduce many of the comic book characters that haven't been on the show, like: Daisy Duck, Gladstone Gander, Grandma Duck, Fethry Duck, Gus Goose, Brigitta MacBridge, John D. Rockerduck, Neighbor Jones etc. Gladstone Gander was on the show, but only two times really, instead he should be one of the shows regulars. Also, he wasn't that snobby and obnoxious in his appearances, but to me acted mostly like a dimwit. He should also continue his role from the comics as the Luckiest person in the World and as Donald's rival.
Daisy should be like how she was in some of the Donald Duck shorts especially in "Donald's Dilemma" from 1947 (actually I think that this new show should have the same style as those shows, but longer), were she was caring and worrying for Donald but was also a bit egotistical and jealous on him. Which i why I think they are great for each other, as they are both that way and play off each other very well. Actually I don't think she has been portrayed that particularly well in the comics, for the most part at least.
Grandma Duck I guess could be a "replacement" for Mrs. Beakley, if someone would like to see it that way, but much more tough and headstrong with a positive but also a no nonsense attitude. Brigitta MacBridge should also be like how she is in the comics, in love with Scrooge but also a match for him in the businesses world and other situations, and whom Scrooge really respects but think could be frustrating at times for comedic effect. This is the same with the other characters, I don't see why there should be any changes to them from the comics.
4. Change some of the characters that was in the Ducktales show. Flintheart Glomgold for example should look like, or at least somewhat look like, the comic book version. I'm not that picky if he should live in South Africa or not, if that would be a problem of sorts, but it would be neat if he did. Also I'm not sure what accent he should have then, as I don't think he should have a Scottish one at least. Also I didn't mind that they gave different names and personalities to the Beagle Boys, but I think I like it more when they operate almost like a threatening, single minded group, or even force. The core of them is about six or seven members, but that they also have endless numbers of cousins and distant relatives (that all look alike!). This have been shown both in the comics and the show. I always thought that part was funny and a bit scary actually. Magica de Spell could stay the same really, I thought they did a great job on her in the show. The only thing that should be changed is that she should be given a thick Italian accent instead of the Russian(?) one.
Changes that I don't think are plausible, but I personally would like if they included them:
1. Similar to Don Rosa, I'm imagining that the Donald Duck universe is set during the 1950's or at least a 1950's-esque setting. This is really more about the style and some historical accuracies, like if Scrooge was in the Klondike Gold Rush. I don't see this happening but if it would it be neat.
2.That they use the nation of Brutopia as an antagonist. I guess it could be similar to the Thembrians of Talespin but it could be a bit too close of a stereotype of the former Soviet Union which seems to be a sensitive topic nowadays.
3. Change the title from "Ducktales" to "The Life and Times in Duckburg" or something similar so that people know it's a reboot and a new show. Also, then perhaps there could be a follow-up film based on "The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck"...
Ok, I don't think none of this will happen, but it will be interesting to hear what they have to say on the project next, even if there is about two years left. Also, it might be scrapped by then and leading nowhere, so I have no clue what will happen, but that would be very disappointing as it still would be great to see many of the characters in animation again.
Also, I would like the show to continue with a traditional drawing style but I wouldn't mind if the show looked like some of the covers of the new Disney Comic Books by Derek Charm, especially with those backgrounds:
http://www.previewsworld.com/catalogimages/STK_IMAGES/STK680001-700000/STK680477.jpg