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Mattias Hallin
No...

...I don't think that that was Foghorn Leghorn; to me it sounded more like
Henry Hawk (I think he's called) -- the young hawk living with his father and
trying so hard to catchhimself a chicken... Or am I wrong here? I can'trecall
(If I'm at all correct) whom he mistakes for "a giant CHICKEN"; but it's
probably Daffy or Bugs or someone similar

Hmm?

Mattias
Don Rosa
ROB REEVES:
Yes, that boxed set of comics WAS available at Disney Stores,
but surely you realize the VAST difference in that item and in selling
actual comics for reading! That high-priced phony-collectible was
designed to be sold to the typical American "collectibles-lout"... it
was NOT to be opened - the comics were sealed in plastic which the buyer
(in that collectible-lout system) KNEW he was NOT to open and (horrors)
READ the material. And this repackaging of the comics removed them from
the category of a periodical publication which would need resupplying
and reordering and LOTS of paper work and effort on the store's part;
that boxed set of comics was exactly like the T-shirts and cuddly Ariel
dolls. Stocking it was easy, and buying it required no intellectual
involvement whatsoever.

WILLIAM HATHAWAY
Just as reading in America is alive and well among a select
group, using INTERNET (which involves reading) is also alive and well;
but you do know that is AGAIN a very tiny, select, "elite" group of
people. And if you're saying that all or even most computer users are
well-read, it has always been quite a joke to me to read some of the
messages posted by young computer-whiz kids, which seem to show that
they have little or no command of the language, and obviously read as
little as any other Americans.
Jean-Michel Pomarede
New David about Gyro,
I know for sure that Gyro once said that "he had some poultry heritage",
and I know that they must have been refering not to poultry in general,
but to the baryard kind. He's either a goose or a rooster (if he's a rooster
or a hen, now that's another story).
He's a barnyard animal, and I don't think that his creators wanted to
look as far as a crane. HE'S A GREAT BIG YELLAH' CHICKEN!

Dave
PS.(to Per Starback) thanks for sending me back the whole shabang.
I did forgent to read it all, as I printed it out, for further
reference, but then got cought up in something else. By the by,
Jean-Michel Pomarede is my father, as I'm communicating through
his adress.I'm sorry about the adress mix-up.
M. Mitchell Marmel
> P. S. The title of this article sounded unusually desperate,
>but in fact was a Warner-Bros. cartoon reference. Anyone here get it?

"You wear a disguise/To look like human guys/But you're not a man/You're a
chicken, Boo!" ~8>

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M. Mitchell Marmel | Co-Chaircritter, Alt.Tasteless
Drexel University | Awards Committee, 1993
Department of Materials Engineering | *I CAN BE BOUGHT!*
Fibrous Materials Research Laboratory | marmelmm at dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu
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Chris Lawton
Hiya Gang!

ABOUT DISNEY STORES AND COMICS

As a frequent Disney Store patron AND a Disney Comics fan, I would love to
see the Comics make it to the store. The Disney Store near my house in
Pleasanton, CA does carry the Disney Adventures title but I have never
bought a single issue, just browsed them. I once asked about them and
I got a standard "We don't carry that mechandise here" speech. Oh well,
It wasn't her fault... :)

However, I don't believe that TDS is deserving of quite all the negative
connotations that have been floating around here. I do like the store for
what it is. And it is *not* a comic book shop. In fact, its about as far
apart from a comic book shop that you can get. And comic book shops arn't
Disney Stores either.

I realize that Don and Other's in the comic book industry have had difficult
times dealing with Disney but their stores have just about nothing to do
with comics. On the other hand, if it were a comic book shop, and I got the
we don't carry that, well, somebody would certainly get a letter from me!
The point is, Disney is not in the comic book business (we saw that when they
tried to be in it).

LIFE OF SCROOGE PART 1

Hooray! :) I finally got to see what everybody is talking about. I really
enjoyed it and am looking forward to the next issue. The interview in the
end was very apporiate, in my opinion. It helps us non-super collecters
and non-writers to have an idea of where the ideas are coming from. (Of
course, for those of us on this list we get the real inside scoop.)

See ya real soon,

Chris Mickey's #1 Fan!! :) :)

P.S. about some non comic stuff.

The other night in the band I play in (a concert band where I play trombone)
we played a song called "Valdres". Our conductor said "Valdres is to
Norwegiens as Stars and Stripes Forever is to Americans". Is this true?

Thanks.
Jean-Michel Pomarede
David Pomarede:

Well, I decided to do my homework on the subject and search for any comics
I could find. I'm half french (my dad's french, my mother from Tennessee),
and some of my little cousins come to stay for the summer. Well, last summer
they left some "Le Journal Mickey" and some "Picsou Magazine" (Picsou is
Scrooge's french name) and I brouwsed the little books for any stories with
Gyro in them. What I found were evidence of the french calling him a STORK!
I dunno, maybe he's something other than a barn-yard animal. Please disregard
my last contribution. Personally, I think albino magpie sounds cooler.
By the by, what's the deal with his little lightbulb with legs?
===David===
Tryg Helseth
MATTIAS:

> ...I don't think that that was Foghorn Leghorn; to me it sounded more like
>Henry Hawk (I think he's called) -- the young hawk living with his father and

Close... his actual name is Henery Hawk, and that would be my guess too...

BTW, Mattias, I can never read your messages with my on-line editor, PINE.
(I think that stands for Pain In Neck Editor.) When I try to display them,
I get the message:

[Part 1, Unknown text "ISO646-SE" 11 lines]
[Can not display this part. Use the "A" command to save in a file]

Anyhow, when I retrive the message on my PC using SLIP, it comes through
just fine! Are there any unusual characters embedded in your message?
There is one other person (don't remember who) whose messages do the same
thing to PINE. Anyone else experience this?

ANDREW DAVIS:

Welcome to the mail list!

>Of course Gyro is a chicken. If you had ever kept them, you would know
>that the rattle brained way of behaving is spot on. Somehow
>storks/cranes are a bit too serene for Gyro, and geese have an angry
>streak that just doesn't fit the bill. [Sorry about the pun there.]

Well, I raised chickens once. That is probably why I find it difficult to
think of my role model, Gyro, as one. Many people mistake Gyro's
eccentric behavior as "rattle brained." I think it is perfectly normal! :)

As to what kind of critter is Gyro, it is good thing that so far we have
agreed that he is some kind of bird. If he were say, a lamb, he might end
up in a Gyros sandwich! But then, he IS my hero! [My motto is to never
apologize for puns.]

Tryg Helseth <trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu> Minneapolis, MN, USA
or <tryg.helseth at tstation.mn.org>

"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes
Don Rosa
re Gyro:
I was being a bit facetious in even bringing up the question of
what sort of critter Gyro is. I still think my idea as a child was most
accurate in the sense that Gyro isn't ANYTHING... or as someone here
just said, he's just "a weird bird".

TORSTEN:
Your comments combined with others in that Digest indicate a
fact I've learned in the last 7 years of doing these Duck comics -- no
matter what story I do, it will be some people's favorite, some people's
least favorite, with everyone else somewhere in between. Already I've
heard comments that the Lo$ #1 is one of my very best stories, as well
as people who think it was not much of a story, just a string of facts.
Myself, I agree sorta with that latter view, while at the same time I
feel that it was EXACTLY what I was trying to do; given the list of
facts I needed to cover in that chapter, and the progress I needed to
make in $crooge's life and character, I'm QUITE pleased with that
chapter, which is rare for me in regards to most of my own work. I will
apologise to you and any others who didn't think that was much of a
story... I'm afraid that you'll finf the REST of this series as being
similar -- I have a list of facts to deal with, a specific era in
$crooge's life and development to cover, and usually ONLY 15 PAGES to do
it in. I have always thought that this whole series will only read well
when it's printed in ONE volume. More on that in a sec.
I called Gladstone (Susan D-L) and told her that I enjoyed and
appreciated the excellent coloring job she did, but I asked if she might
consider dropping $crooge's brown hair when she could. At the time I
hadn't noticed that part about Fergus' hair turning white by the end of
the story. Also I am grateful for the extra trouble they went to in
having it lettered by Todd Klein, not one of their usual letterers, who
did a really special job.
$crooge's mother's eyes: just for variety, I gave her the
"floating" style -- Barks often gave background Duck characters
"floating" eyes. Besides, I'll be showing Matilda as having these sort
of eyes through her life, and Ma is who she gets 'em from. But there's
nothing unusual in those type eyes -- many Ducks and Geese and Coots
have 'em.
I wonder if that old Pogo baby was in the back of my head when I
gave Hortense her "glxblt". If it's the same gurgle, that would be
interesting. You won't see her again until 1885, and she'll be talking
clearly by then. Actually, when you next see her, I'll have made a bit
of an error in aging her a bit TOO fast -- in 1885 she'd be only 9 and
she would look like $crooge does in this part 1, but I draw her older.
I created that McDuck coat-of-arms, and I have RETHUNK it since
then. If I ever draw it again, I won't show a field of coins (which
tends to suggest the McDucks were RICH which they weren't); in the upper
section I'll show a single coin falling and an open hand, and in the
lower section will be a FIST -- that will suggest stinginess, not
richness.
If and when Gladstone compiles these stories into an album (at
least 2 years from now) I suspect it will be in 2 or 2 softback albums.
John once told me that he thinks albums that are priced at under $20
sell much better (that's why everything for sale in TV ads is $19.95),
and that means it can't all be in one album. I'm sure they'll include
the annotations, or maybe we'll expand on them somewhat. I don't know
about John (Gladstone), but when they publish an album of these chapters
in Norway, they've already requested to use the "lost scripts"... there
are the equivalent of about 3 full stories that Byron Erickson rejected.
I wouldn't mind people seeing these to see what stinker stories they
might have been inflicted with if not for Byron's editing.
A MAP of $crooge's travels might not be such a great idea. My
intention with this series is NOT to tell the story of ALL $crooge's
early adventures... just a superstructure which brings all of Barks' own
facts about $crooge under one roof. Other writers or myself should
always be able to add to that framework in the future -- I hope to
sometimes fall back and do other "untold tales" of $crooge's life. What
a WONDERFUL character he can be if a writer could tell a story from
ANYWHERE in his history from ANY point in his development! Is there any
other such character in fiction? (Oh, lots I guess. Horatio Hornblower.
Conan. etc., whose adventures skipped around in their history.)

ANDREW DAVIES:
I'm glad you liked that cover to UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES #5 --
it was MY favorite as well -- in fact, it was the ONLY one of my own
covers that I liked so much that I kept it and I still carry it with me
to conventions for show. But as for the COLORING -- the printers
wouldn't cooperate with Gladstone when it came to coloring that cover,
and you never saw it as I intended it. In fact, you've never seen the
entire art for the cover -- in the background I had drawn an elaborate
Aurora Boraelis which was supposed to mix with a dark, starry night at
the top, with the sun rising behind $crooge and his whole body in
dramatic backlighting; you can still see a trace of that backlighting in
the way I did his coat, and perhaps in that weird blue smudge on his
face which was a puzzling, halfhearted remnant of that complex original
idea.
So... how do you people like it when I jabber this much? Don't
get me started!!!
Bjorn-are.Davidsen
After having lurked some months (I think since
the Teddy Roosevelt discussion) I am back again with
some information on Norwegian music and the Winter
Olympic Sotry. It is a bit calmer on the job these two
Olympic weeks...

To Chris:

About your non comic stuff:

> The other night in the band I play in (a concert
>band where I play trombone) we played a song
>called "Valdres". Our Conductor said "Valdres is to
>Norwegians as Stars and Stripes Forever is to
>Americans". Is this true.

I think your conductor does have a point, but he does
exaggerate a bit. "The Valdres March" (in Norwegian
"Valdresmarsjen") is a "song" (no lyrics though)
based on traditional Norwegian folk music (from
Valdres), and it is popular. But it can in no way be
considered in the same vein as Stars and Stripes
in the US. I don't think ANY Norwegian song really
can that (although Grieg's "In The Hall of The
Mountain King" does touch some deep emotions,
perhaps from or Viking (or Troll?) heritage).

To Don:

Last week the Norwegian Newspaper "V}rt Land"
(the "}" is the last letter in the Norwegian alphabet
and pronouced like the "a" in "fall", but will NOT
get through in the correct way to the digest) carried
an article on "The Olympic spirit without the Olympic
Duck?". The headline is a pun based om the word for
duck which in Norway is "and" and the word for spirit
which is "}nd" (the same letter "}" as mentioned above).

In this aritcle the journalist Kjetil Hanssen tells us (after
a short summary of the story) that "The artist Don Rosa
has become very popular among Donald-loving Norwegians.
Next week Rosa pays back by giving us a special story
about the furious Duck's struggle to get to Lillehammer."

Then more summary of the story before we get some
interesting information:
"Don Rosa visited Norway last summer, and has done a
thorough research. The drawings he got from LOOC
(Lillehammer Olympic Organisation Comitee) did among
other things show a glass wall in front of the Olympic Fire
at the Lysg}rdsbakken Ski Jump. However, this wall was
taken out of the plans later. Don Rosa shows us how it
might have looked like."

Incidentially, the Opening Ceremony (as some of you may
have seen on television) did feature a ski jumper with the
Olympic Torch (no ducks or rockets though).

Bjorn Are Davidsen

P.S. I love lurking - even in book stores and Disney
Shops (I was present when the Shop in Regent Street
in London formally was opened some years ago -
but may be back with more writings in less than
three months this time (b.t.w. has the reaction in some
Norwegian anti-racist circles to Gottfredsson's "Thursday"
story (republished in Norway last month) been discussed
in the Digest? I was off the list for technical reasons at
the time in January and don't know if anyone mentioned it.)
Mattias Hallin
TRYG:

Yep -- thass right; it's Henery Hawk! I have at least one cartoon
featuring him; possibly even the one that David referred to. Hey, David! Time
to 'fess up: what cartoon/which character didja have in mind?

Also, Tryg, if my postings are deifficult to read, it is probably due to how I
write'em: on a glorified-typewriter kind of texteditor on a VAX/VMS terminal
with no fringies like mouse, windows or desktop -- just command-words of the
"go-to" variety; and also the keyboard settings might play tricks -- I
obviously use a Swedish alphabet setting.

DON:

Go on -- write as long postings as you like too; they're always good
reading, being well-written, funny, well-versed, opinionated and from a friend.
No need to stay short, 'lessen ya wanna.

And speaking of reading -- not that I think you're necessarilly wrong; but
huccome reading is such a little cared for pastime in America? I mean, out of a
pop. of approx 250 MILLION, there ought to be quite a few literati -- even
considering your statistically high rates of semi- or total analphabetism.

Here in Sweden, as you know, the problem has never been to get kids (or adults)
to read comics -- but that in intellectual circles, reading comics haven't
actually counted as really reading at all! There are PICTURES with the words!!!
That this is a completely off-the-mark concept has never bothered that
particular brand of nit-wits, who wouldn't know the first thing about what is
good comics or bad, and how comics rely on the INTERPLAY of word and picture,
and is in it's own way a perfectly complex and if so desired complicated
reading matter. Oh, well...

BJORN-ARE:

No, we haven't discussed the reception in Norway of Gottfredson's
"Thursday".

All me usual best!

Mattias
Jon Cato Lorentzen
A WIG ? :
Do the straps connect to the hat or the hair ?
I went through some Gyro stories yesterday, and in many stories his
hat fly off his head (when he's angry), and the straps follow. In one story
in particular (Posthasty Postman - US#40) Gyro goes through the whole story
with a Postman's hat, and no straps. Therefore the conclusion must be that the
straps are connected to his yellow hat, and his hair is real. In his earlier
appearances in WDC&S with Donald and the Boys, the straps are not hidden by
the hair, and goes all the way to the hat.

But then again, since the male Ducks can only have white hair (according to
Don), the same law might apply to chickens. Perhaps Gyro has coloured his
hair, or he is after all wearing a wig (!). Perhaps he uses the hat to put
pressure on the wig, so that it won't fall of his head. Hmmmm.

THE LILLEHAMMER STORY:
A page with text (and some drawings from various Duck-stories) came with
Don's Lillehammer story in the latest Norwegian Donald Duck & Co. The text
mentions four stories from which Don found inspiration for the story. I have
small doubts about this, since two of the stories are non-Barks, and one is
rather new (1984), and has probably not been printed in the US. Someone
at the publishers probably searched for stories that contained elements of
the Rosa story, and printed them as inspirations. If Don or anyone wants a
complete translation of this text, just let me now, and I'll punch it in.

THE SUNTANNED MOUSE:
Is this a strictly Norwegian phenomena, or have Mickey and Goofy gotten
hideous tans in the foreign Disney Comics as well. The trend started a year
ago, when the publishers began colouring Mickeys face in a pink/brown colour,
probably to make him seem more human. Soon, all the Mickey Characters (Goofy,
Clarabelle, Minnie etc.) got this hideous colour in their face. WHAT HAPPENED
TO WHITE ? These new stories are bad enough to begin with, but this colouring
really makes me sick. Especially when they reprint an older classic with the
new "human-like" colours.

Jon C. Lorentzen
Chris Lawton
Thanks to everybody who sent answers to my question about the "Valdres March".
Chris Mickey's #1 Fan!! :) :)
Harry Fluks
Jon Cato Lorentzen <jonlo at ifi.uio.no>:

> THE LILLEHAMMER STORY:
> A page with text (and some drawings from various Duck-stories) came with
> Don's Lillehammer story in the latest Norwegian Donald Duck & Co. The text
> mentions four stories from which Don found inspiration for the story.

No need to translate the entire text (for me), but I *am* curious which
four stories they mentioned.

And I would also like to know the issue number of the Norwegian comic we are
talking about (for our Rosa index).

--Harry.
Jean-Michel Pomarede
David Pomarede:
Sorry guys, when I said that I thought I heard Gyro say that he had some
poultry heritage, I was probably wrong because I was relying on what I could
remember, and not what I had looked up. Next time I'll try to do my homework
on the subject. I don't know, do you really think that it was Henery Hawk?
Anyway, thanks for correcting me.
==Dave==
Harry Fluks
> So... how do you people like it when I jabber this much? Don't
> get me started!!!

I like your background information on your covers and stories. In fact, I am
working on an "annotated Rosa index" which lists all you work plus relevant
facts that you mentioned on this mailing list. It's already over 900 lines of
text, but I think it will become shorter because I will leave out information
that is already in the articles in the Lo$ comics.

My goal is a readable index in the form of Michael Barrier's Barks index.
Maybe it's something for ftp when I've finished it... (Note that the index
does not contain any new text, it's just a re-ordering of your messages.
But if you have any objections: tell me, and the index will be for my own
use only.)

There are still quite a few stories you haven't commented on at all, but I'll
get back to that later...8-)

--Harry.
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