To DON:
I meant the Lo$ part one. It came out well after the direct
market got theirs & vanished from the Wal-Mart shelves in a
single weekend.
The other duck, mouse & super-hero books just sit there.
I am certain that Lo$ will continue to perform as well in the
future....
BTW, if you won't get paid for reprinting your work in a trade
pb version of Lo$, maybe you can convince the powers that be to
let you write an original "introduction," and then pay you
royalties for that. Stan Lee pulled that stunt at Marvel dozens
of times so he would get paid for reprint pb's & the artists
would get stiffed (frequently, the COVERS of the books were
paste-ups of old stuff, so no one had to get royalties for that
either).
Ron
Author
Topic: 199404
(249 messages)
Ronald A. Evry (Ronald)
Disney-comics digest #303.
Message 136 -
1994-04-18 at 18:10:00
David A Gerstein
McSwine
Message 137 -
1994-04-18 at 19:17:39
Dear Folks,
Don Rosa said: "I never knew that Egmont had used the same
name for all the appearances of the pig-villain in their editions.
Interesting."
I can't say for sure. But they do NOW, as indicated by their
immediate recognition of "Argus McSwine" in one of my own scripts.
"But you're also saying that when Gladstone reprints those
Barks stories, they CHANGE the names, all to "Argus McSwine"??? With
the policy of never tampering with the originals, I'd find that
surprising."
NOOOOOOOOOOOO! Gladstone has never done this, and neither
did Disney! The character keeps his various aliases in reprints of
his Barks appearances.
"But if a single name is chosen, that's not such a bad idea...
however, I would STRONGLY vote AGAINST "Argus McSwine".... In fact,
in times past when I've heard fans give a single name to the pig-
villain, it's been Porkman DeLardo, not McSwine. I find Porkman
DeLardo much more interesting for some reason..."
Probably because it's almost IDENTICAL to the villain Porko
DeLardo in "Old California", a much more famous story!!!
I note "Argus McBRINE" (the last name being from "Forbidden
Valley") given consistently to the character in the fanzine _Barks
Collector_ in the early '80s. My guess is that this is why Argus has
now become the consistent first name, out of all those which he had in
Barks' stories.
Gladstone's Gary Gabner finalized "Argus McSwine" in the U. S.
Just after he began doing a LOT of stories with the character, Disney
started, and printed Barks' "Milkman" story, in which the pig's called
McSwine. Loads of publicity abounded -- and since the name began with
Barks, even if it was one in many, it seems like a good idea to keep
it, if consistency is what's now desired.
It was ultimately Gary Gabner's decision. After all, he
could have given varying aliases to the character in the American
versions of Egmont's stories -- even if the hog was named consistently
in Egmont -- but chose not to.
I know, we're groaning under the weight of Scottish
character-names... but as far as I'm concerned, it would be awfully
weird to see the character who is now known as Argus McSwine called
something else.
Oink!
David Gerstein
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Don Rosa said: "I never knew that Egmont had used the same
name for all the appearances of the pig-villain in their editions.
Interesting."
I can't say for sure. But they do NOW, as indicated by their
immediate recognition of "Argus McSwine" in one of my own scripts.
"But you're also saying that when Gladstone reprints those
Barks stories, they CHANGE the names, all to "Argus McSwine"??? With
the policy of never tampering with the originals, I'd find that
surprising."
NOOOOOOOOOOOO! Gladstone has never done this, and neither
did Disney! The character keeps his various aliases in reprints of
his Barks appearances.
"But if a single name is chosen, that's not such a bad idea...
however, I would STRONGLY vote AGAINST "Argus McSwine".... In fact,
in times past when I've heard fans give a single name to the pig-
villain, it's been Porkman DeLardo, not McSwine. I find Porkman
DeLardo much more interesting for some reason..."
Probably because it's almost IDENTICAL to the villain Porko
DeLardo in "Old California", a much more famous story!!!
I note "Argus McBRINE" (the last name being from "Forbidden
Valley") given consistently to the character in the fanzine _Barks
Collector_ in the early '80s. My guess is that this is why Argus has
now become the consistent first name, out of all those which he had in
Barks' stories.
Gladstone's Gary Gabner finalized "Argus McSwine" in the U. S.
Just after he began doing a LOT of stories with the character, Disney
started, and printed Barks' "Milkman" story, in which the pig's called
McSwine. Loads of publicity abounded -- and since the name began with
Barks, even if it was one in many, it seems like a good idea to keep
it, if consistency is what's now desired.
It was ultimately Gary Gabner's decision. After all, he
could have given varying aliases to the character in the American
versions of Egmont's stories -- even if the hog was named consistently
in Egmont -- but chose not to.
I know, we're groaning under the weight of Scottish
character-names... but as far as I'm concerned, it would be awfully
weird to see the character who is now known as Argus McSwine called
something else.
Oink!
David Gerstein
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
David A Gerstein
Various things
Message 138 -
1994-04-19 at 03:29:32
Dear Folks,
LONG Digest today, with lots of things to talk about.
Regardez:
Return to Tralla La
===================
Don: "I haven't seen the German weekly #2000, but are you
saying that the "Return to Xanadu" story is NOT titled "Return to
Tralla La"? I just got a FAX from the translator himself who verified
that the title used IS "Return to Trala La"... That's not the title
you see?"
Er... ahem... I never said that wasn't the name! I just
pointed out that naming the story "Return to Tralla La" was in the
tradition of their title for "War of the Wendigo," which similarly
spoiled the surprise.
Mickey Mysteries
================
Gilbert: "In Germany these comics Frederik mentioned are
presented in a digest called "Ein Fall fur Micky" and until today
four books were selled. The comics are Danish stories of the
nineties (the index-numbers are beginning with D9...."
Harry: "Maybe this is an example of the case that Egmont
gives re-worked Italian material its own numbers?"
Nope. These are EGMONT stories, but drawn by ITALIAN artists.
Egmont has quite a program going with Disney Italy to draw the
now-sizable number of pocket-book stories they make. There you go,
STRAIGHT from the horse's mouth. (Horace, mind you.)
And Gilbert... isn't the title of the comic "Micky Aktion"?
The cover of the first one has a SUBTITLE "Ein Fall fur Micky", but I
thought the title was "Micky Aktion"...
Newspaper strips
================
Harry: "There are or have been at least the following Disney
newspaper strips" ... [SNIP]
You missed a few, Harry. The one-panel "Merry Menagerie" ran
for a while from the '50s-'70s. This was simply a Disney-drawn series
with domestic and farm animals exchanging snide jokes. Ecch.
There was also a True-Life Adventures strip in the '50s for
awhile, drawn in a realistic style, showing the lives of real animals.
RoC described Scrooge-as-newseditor Strobl stories
==================================================
This is not directed at YOU RoC... but... I don't know about
anyone else, but I would never buy ANYTHING like this.
A story has appeared in Germany and Norway which is
===================================================
"a great 16 paged Mau Heymans special (H 90164) for (Dutch)
Donald Duck's 2000th(?) issue. It has three full page panels..."
Many of you wrote about this. If 2000 can be replaced by any
other large number, this seems IDEAL for WDC&S 600 next year! Can
someone please give a synopsis of the story? I would like to make the
English version for John Clark. I would like to talk to him about it
as SOON as possible. Please, can someone help me? I ALSO WOULD WANT
TO ACQUIRE THE GERMAN EDITION OF THIS. Can someone help me THERE?
I'll pay for it... honest!
Fredrik noted that
==================
"before Christmas they published a daily Beauty and the Beast
in a regional newspaper here in Blekinge, Sweden. Perhaps this is
just some spin-off or daily publication of the Sunday Christmas
Tales?"
It IS from the Christmas Tales strip (1992) but was presented
in daily form here, too. And in '93 it was a... yawn... Aladdin
story. How predictable.
Gladstone's sales
=================
John Clark told me that "our comics are already selling MUCH
better than Disney's were... about twice as well." Or something along
those lines. Apparently Gladstone is doing well.
So well that they wanted to begin expanding their line, and
WDCiC was to have been only the first example of this, but Disney
nipped that in the bud, for no reason that ANYONE can figure out.
Egmont expands the MM universe
==============================
I got some updated Mickey material for writers from Egmont,
today. Among them were illustrated sections about Eli Squinch and
Montmorency Rodent, both of whom are to be regulars from now on!
Also a copy of a 24-page story by Byron Erickson himself which
is the best MM story ever done by Egmont, I think. Only the script.
The villain is Peg-Leg Pete -- called that, and with the peg-leg.
Mickey wears his red shorts. Yep, things are getting back to basics.
Just wait 'til all of this hits publication later this year...
Yours,
David Gerstein
"I'll hold the pipe like this, and when I nod my head, YOU hit
it with th' hammer!"
(nod) *** CLONK! ***
"Fur gawrsh sakes, Mickey! I did just whut yuh TOLD me to!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
LONG Digest today, with lots of things to talk about.
Regardez:
Return to Tralla La
===================
Don: "I haven't seen the German weekly #2000, but are you
saying that the "Return to Xanadu" story is NOT titled "Return to
Tralla La"? I just got a FAX from the translator himself who verified
that the title used IS "Return to Trala La"... That's not the title
you see?"
Er... ahem... I never said that wasn't the name! I just
pointed out that naming the story "Return to Tralla La" was in the
tradition of their title for "War of the Wendigo," which similarly
spoiled the surprise.
Mickey Mysteries
================
Gilbert: "In Germany these comics Frederik mentioned are
presented in a digest called "Ein Fall fur Micky" and until today
four books were selled. The comics are Danish stories of the
nineties (the index-numbers are beginning with D9...."
Harry: "Maybe this is an example of the case that Egmont
gives re-worked Italian material its own numbers?"
Nope. These are EGMONT stories, but drawn by ITALIAN artists.
Egmont has quite a program going with Disney Italy to draw the
now-sizable number of pocket-book stories they make. There you go,
STRAIGHT from the horse's mouth. (Horace, mind you.)
And Gilbert... isn't the title of the comic "Micky Aktion"?
The cover of the first one has a SUBTITLE "Ein Fall fur Micky", but I
thought the title was "Micky Aktion"...
Newspaper strips
================
Harry: "There are or have been at least the following Disney
newspaper strips" ... [SNIP]
You missed a few, Harry. The one-panel "Merry Menagerie" ran
for a while from the '50s-'70s. This was simply a Disney-drawn series
with domestic and farm animals exchanging snide jokes. Ecch.
There was also a True-Life Adventures strip in the '50s for
awhile, drawn in a realistic style, showing the lives of real animals.
RoC described Scrooge-as-newseditor Strobl stories
==================================================
This is not directed at YOU RoC... but... I don't know about
anyone else, but I would never buy ANYTHING like this.
A story has appeared in Germany and Norway which is
===================================================
"a great 16 paged Mau Heymans special (H 90164) for (Dutch)
Donald Duck's 2000th(?) issue. It has three full page panels..."
Many of you wrote about this. If 2000 can be replaced by any
other large number, this seems IDEAL for WDC&S 600 next year! Can
someone please give a synopsis of the story? I would like to make the
English version for John Clark. I would like to talk to him about it
as SOON as possible. Please, can someone help me? I ALSO WOULD WANT
TO ACQUIRE THE GERMAN EDITION OF THIS. Can someone help me THERE?
I'll pay for it... honest!
Fredrik noted that
==================
"before Christmas they published a daily Beauty and the Beast
in a regional newspaper here in Blekinge, Sweden. Perhaps this is
just some spin-off or daily publication of the Sunday Christmas
Tales?"
It IS from the Christmas Tales strip (1992) but was presented
in daily form here, too. And in '93 it was a... yawn... Aladdin
story. How predictable.
Gladstone's sales
=================
John Clark told me that "our comics are already selling MUCH
better than Disney's were... about twice as well." Or something along
those lines. Apparently Gladstone is doing well.
So well that they wanted to begin expanding their line, and
WDCiC was to have been only the first example of this, but Disney
nipped that in the bud, for no reason that ANYONE can figure out.
Egmont expands the MM universe
==============================
I got some updated Mickey material for writers from Egmont,
today. Among them were illustrated sections about Eli Squinch and
Montmorency Rodent, both of whom are to be regulars from now on!
Also a copy of a 24-page story by Byron Erickson himself which
is the best MM story ever done by Egmont, I think. Only the script.
The villain is Peg-Leg Pete -- called that, and with the peg-leg.
Mickey wears his red shorts. Yep, things are getting back to basics.
Just wait 'til all of this hits publication later this year...
Yours,
David Gerstein
"I'll hold the pipe like this, and when I nod my head, YOU hit
it with th' hammer!"
(nod) *** CLONK! ***
"Fur gawrsh sakes, Mickey! I did just whut yuh TOLD me to!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #303.
Message 139 -
1994-04-19 at 06:23:28
TORSTEN:
Your comments on Lo$ #2:
Correct -- the Beagle Boys on the cover should NOT have their
prison numbers. But I thought readers would find them more
recognizeable, especially at that distance, if they looked completely
like the modern BB's, particularly since they would not yet have read
the interior tale to know the BB's aren't supposed to have numbers at
that point. Artistic license.
All your other comments involved coloring and lettering/map
labels, something that I have no control over. The reason there was no
border between Indiana and Ohio on that map is that the caption box has
been redrawn as have been ALL my balloons; I make them larger than all
those you see in the American editions to fit in all that outlandish
Scandanavian gibberish! I would definitely have labeled Oklahoma as
"Indian Territory" if it had been in my script that that area was to be
labelled. I left out all but the pertinent labels just to make it easier
on the Egmont publishers who really DISLIKE all the extra work I put on
them in labelling background details already! They don't have staff
letterrers over there, and such extra work is a real pain.
Ratchet Gearloose, if I didn't explain it in my text page, came
from that Barks story in UNCLE $CROOGE GOES TO DISNEYLAND.
Your comments on Lo$ #2:
Correct -- the Beagle Boys on the cover should NOT have their
prison numbers. But I thought readers would find them more
recognizeable, especially at that distance, if they looked completely
like the modern BB's, particularly since they would not yet have read
the interior tale to know the BB's aren't supposed to have numbers at
that point. Artistic license.
All your other comments involved coloring and lettering/map
labels, something that I have no control over. The reason there was no
border between Indiana and Ohio on that map is that the caption box has
been redrawn as have been ALL my balloons; I make them larger than all
those you see in the American editions to fit in all that outlandish
Scandanavian gibberish! I would definitely have labeled Oklahoma as
"Indian Territory" if it had been in my script that that area was to be
labelled. I left out all but the pertinent labels just to make it easier
on the Egmont publishers who really DISLIKE all the extra work I put on
them in labelling background details already! They don't have staff
letterrers over there, and such extra work is a real pain.
Ratchet Gearloose, if I didn't explain it in my text page, came
from that Barks story in UNCLE $CROOGE GOES TO DISNEYLAND.
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #304.
Message 140 -
1994-04-19 at 06:51:34
ROC:
Yes, you are very correct in your analysis of what I did with
the Lo$. Chapter 8 was the CLIMAX (in the Shakespearean sense)...
chapters 10 & particularly 11 are the "falling action". In other words,
I built $crooge up to his PEAK of strength and perfection in chapter 8,
but chapter 11 shows his near-downfall due to "the dark side of the
force" of finally becoming as successful at everything he does, as he
had been UNsuccessful prior to the Yukon. Bombie the Zombie is his
punishment which haunts him for decades.
No, the Lo$ does not end up as being autobiographical. $crooge
wouldn't want anyone to know all this stuff about him... especially the
parts you're seeing in these last two chapters.
And I thank you for your suggestion of how to make extra $ off
the sale of expensive posters. But, I'm not sure I follow -- are you
saying that I could avoid problems with Disney if these posters did not
include their Ducks? Of course I'd avoid problems with Disney. I'd also
avoid problems with anyone BUYING the posters... and before that, I'd
avoid problems in that I'd find no one interested in producing such
posters. I mean, without the Disney Ducks, what would be the point?
And I thank the other nice person who suggested I could collect
a royalty off my text pieces. But again... Gladstone would avoid this by
not using my text pieces any longer. The thing you nice folks don't seem
to grasp is that neither Gladstone nor Egmont are TRYING to find a
system by which they would HAVE to pay me more money! No publisher WANTS
to pay royalties -- but they find they MUST in order to get the work
they want. Gladstone and Egmont MUST pay royalties to Disney to use my
work (or any Disney stuff)... but they do not need to pay ME, so they'd
be foolish to figure out a way to compel themselves to do so. Any Disney
freelancer is free from the worry of ever receiving royalties for his
work... that's why you only see the work coming from art studios in
Chile and Spain and Italy and other economically primitive countries.
That's why somebody like Daan Jippes got OUT of it a decade or two ago.
Yes, you are very correct in your analysis of what I did with
the Lo$. Chapter 8 was the CLIMAX (in the Shakespearean sense)...
chapters 10 & particularly 11 are the "falling action". In other words,
I built $crooge up to his PEAK of strength and perfection in chapter 8,
but chapter 11 shows his near-downfall due to "the dark side of the
force" of finally becoming as successful at everything he does, as he
had been UNsuccessful prior to the Yukon. Bombie the Zombie is his
punishment which haunts him for decades.
No, the Lo$ does not end up as being autobiographical. $crooge
wouldn't want anyone to know all this stuff about him... especially the
parts you're seeing in these last two chapters.
And I thank you for your suggestion of how to make extra $ off
the sale of expensive posters. But, I'm not sure I follow -- are you
saying that I could avoid problems with Disney if these posters did not
include their Ducks? Of course I'd avoid problems with Disney. I'd also
avoid problems with anyone BUYING the posters... and before that, I'd
avoid problems in that I'd find no one interested in producing such
posters. I mean, without the Disney Ducks, what would be the point?
And I thank the other nice person who suggested I could collect
a royalty off my text pieces. But again... Gladstone would avoid this by
not using my text pieces any longer. The thing you nice folks don't seem
to grasp is that neither Gladstone nor Egmont are TRYING to find a
system by which they would HAVE to pay me more money! No publisher WANTS
to pay royalties -- but they find they MUST in order to get the work
they want. Gladstone and Egmont MUST pay royalties to Disney to use my
work (or any Disney stuff)... but they do not need to pay ME, so they'd
be foolish to figure out a way to compel themselves to do so. Any Disney
freelancer is free from the worry of ever receiving royalties for his
work... that's why you only see the work coming from art studios in
Chile and Spain and Italy and other economically primitive countries.
That's why somebody like Daan Jippes got OUT of it a decade or two ago.
Harry Fluks
Rosa, Jippes, and others
Message 141 -
1994-04-19 at 11:00:33
Don:
> Any Disney freelancer is free from the worry of ever receiving royalties
> for his work... [...]
> That's why somebody like Daan Jippes got OUT of it a decade or two ago.
Jippes left the Dutch comic business in 1982 and went to the USA to get an
even less rewarding job at Disney. He did the Gladstone covers in his own
time, and the payment was welcome. In 1991-1993, he re-inked those Barks
Woodchuck stories because *he needed the money*!
Jippes' motivation has always been artistically: he (thought he) could develop
his artistic skills at Disney better than in Holland. He didn't know much of
the USA Disney company then...
BTW, about Dutch artists: a lot of Dutch artists (and writers) started at
Disney (Oberon, Holland), worked there a few years, and then started a
comic on their own. Famous (well, in Holland...) examples are Robert van
der Kroft and Hanco Kolk. But they don't have the Disney-comics-attraction
that some of the other artists I know have...
A different question: Don, have you ever considered only *writing* Duck comic
stories?
--Harry.
> Any Disney freelancer is free from the worry of ever receiving royalties
> for his work... [...]
> That's why somebody like Daan Jippes got OUT of it a decade or two ago.
Jippes left the Dutch comic business in 1982 and went to the USA to get an
even less rewarding job at Disney. He did the Gladstone covers in his own
time, and the payment was welcome. In 1991-1993, he re-inked those Barks
Woodchuck stories because *he needed the money*!
Jippes' motivation has always been artistically: he (thought he) could develop
his artistic skills at Disney better than in Holland. He didn't know much of
the USA Disney company then...
BTW, about Dutch artists: a lot of Dutch artists (and writers) started at
Disney (Oberon, Holland), worked there a few years, and then started a
comic on their own. Famous (well, in Holland...) examples are Robert van
der Kroft and Hanco Kolk. But they don't have the Disney-comics-attraction
that some of the other artists I know have...
A different question: Don, have you ever considered only *writing* Duck comic
stories?
--Harry.
Per Starback
FTP updates: "oils" and "don-rosa.index".
Message 142 -
1994-04-19 at 13:08:21
There are two recent updates to the Disney comics ftp archive in
pub/comics/disney at ftp.lysator.liu.se.
1. "oils" listing Barks's oil paintings with Disney motifs has been
updated by David. He corrected and added some information, and
introduced entries showing when older paintings have been reissued as
lithographs. Among other things he corrected the info on An
Astronomical Predicament, which in this file was believed to be the
painting on the cover of a Gladstone album. In fact the cover of
Gladstone Giant Album #5 is a preliminary version of a painting for
which the final draft was never done, so it's not mentioned in this
list. I added a note about this (with David's wording) at the end of
the "oils" file. When sending me this David also asked me why the
earlier paintings' titles are given in only lower-case. That's
because Harry typed them in that way. The inconsistency was because I
didn't keep writing it that way when I added new stuff. I've inserted
some caps here and there now, to avoid that inconsistency.
2. "don-rosa.index" with an index on Don Rosa's comics and covers with
Disney characters has been updated by Mikko and Harry. Info on
Finnish reprints are added, as well as some info on different versions
of some of Don's comics and covers. Harry also wrote that he
corrected the info the story Don wrote (but didn't draw) for DuckTales
Magazine. Earlier it said
27 KJ004/1 DTM 17-18/909 4 DT Back in Time for a Dime! [art JD]
but now it just says
27 K... DTM .. 4 DT Back in Time for a Dime! [art JD]
Was that code and issue of DTM wrong?
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
pub/comics/disney at ftp.lysator.liu.se.
1. "oils" listing Barks's oil paintings with Disney motifs has been
updated by David. He corrected and added some information, and
introduced entries showing when older paintings have been reissued as
lithographs. Among other things he corrected the info on An
Astronomical Predicament, which in this file was believed to be the
painting on the cover of a Gladstone album. In fact the cover of
Gladstone Giant Album #5 is a preliminary version of a painting for
which the final draft was never done, so it's not mentioned in this
list. I added a note about this (with David's wording) at the end of
the "oils" file. When sending me this David also asked me why the
earlier paintings' titles are given in only lower-case. That's
because Harry typed them in that way. The inconsistency was because I
didn't keep writing it that way when I added new stuff. I've inserted
some caps here and there now, to avoid that inconsistency.
2. "don-rosa.index" with an index on Don Rosa's comics and covers with
Disney characters has been updated by Mikko and Harry. Info on
Finnish reprints are added, as well as some info on different versions
of some of Don's comics and covers. Harry also wrote that he
corrected the info the story Don wrote (but didn't draw) for DuckTales
Magazine. Earlier it said
27 KJ004/1 DTM 17-18/909 4 DT Back in Time for a Dime! [art JD]
but now it just says
27 K... DTM .. 4 DT Back in Time for a Dime! [art JD]
Was that code and issue of DTM wrong?
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Harry Fluks
"don-rosa.index".
Message 143 -
1994-04-19 at 16:02:01
Per wrote:
> 2. "don-rosa.index" with an index on Don Rosa's comics and covers with
> Disney characters has been updated by Mikko and Harry. (...) Harry also
> wrote that he corrected the info the story for DuckTales Magazine. (...)
> Was that code and issue of DTM wrong?
The code was of a long 2-part story in the regular comic 'Ducktales' from
Disney Comics. That comic has full credits, and does not mention Don Rosa.
The 4-page story that WAS written by Don has been published somewhere else,
in a Ducktales MAGAZINE. It must be a coincidence that the story
titles are (almost) the same.
We discussed this long ago (before Don was on the list I think).
--Harry.
> 2. "don-rosa.index" with an index on Don Rosa's comics and covers with
> Disney characters has been updated by Mikko and Harry. (...) Harry also
> wrote that he corrected the info the story for DuckTales Magazine. (...)
> Was that code and issue of DTM wrong?
The code was of a long 2-part story in the regular comic 'Ducktales' from
Disney Comics. That comic has full credits, and does not mention Don Rosa.
The 4-page story that WAS written by Don has been published somewhere else,
in a Ducktales MAGAZINE. It must be a coincidence that the story
titles are (almost) the same.
We discussed this long ago (before Don was on the list I think).
--Harry.
Harry Fluks
Disney newspaper strips
Message 144 -
1994-04-19 at 16:14:37
James:
> Who is Grant?
Bob Grant drew a lot of newspaper strips (including Hiawatha, and the animal
gags David was talking about). I don't think he did anything in comic books.
> I'm not familiar with characters called Panchito or Joe Carioca.
Joe (Jose) Carioca is a Brazilian parrot, first seen in the film 'Saludos
Amigos'. He is still quite popular in Holland, and he has his own comic
in Brazil.
Panchito is a Mexican bird, he joined Donald and Joe in the film 'The Three
Caballeros'.
They can both be found in Walt Kelly's version of The Three Caballeros, in
Disney Comics' comic WDC 282 + 283, or in Gladstone's WDC Digest 1.
> >- Christmas tales
> Interesting. I'm surprised these never showed up in the Christmas specials
> printed by Gladstone and Disney.
The quality of these stories is not quite.. ehm..
> Since no one else has the time, I volunteer to write the FAQ.
Great! David Gerstein posted a question list a few months ago; maybe
he (or I) can dig it up.
And have a look (at least) at the README files on "our" ftp site. A lot of
answers are already there (but not as structured as we would like...).
--Harry.
> Who is Grant?
Bob Grant drew a lot of newspaper strips (including Hiawatha, and the animal
gags David was talking about). I don't think he did anything in comic books.
> I'm not familiar with characters called Panchito or Joe Carioca.
Joe (Jose) Carioca is a Brazilian parrot, first seen in the film 'Saludos
Amigos'. He is still quite popular in Holland, and he has his own comic
in Brazil.
Panchito is a Mexican bird, he joined Donald and Joe in the film 'The Three
Caballeros'.
They can both be found in Walt Kelly's version of The Three Caballeros, in
Disney Comics' comic WDC 282 + 283, or in Gladstone's WDC Digest 1.
> >- Christmas tales
> Interesting. I'm surprised these never showed up in the Christmas specials
> printed by Gladstone and Disney.
The quality of these stories is not quite.. ehm..
> Since no one else has the time, I volunteer to write the FAQ.
Great! David Gerstein posted a question list a few months ago; maybe
he (or I) can dig it up.
And have a look (at least) at the README files on "our" ftp site. A lot of
answers are already there (but not as structured as we would like...).
--Harry.
Gilbert Roser
Two milestones (Disney-comics digest #300 and German MM #2000)
Message 145 -
1994-04-19 at 16:20:57
Harry Fluks wrote:
>Strange. Dutch DD Weekly started in 1952 and had its 2000th in early 1991.
>Did they skip some weeks in Germany?
Micky Maus started in September 1951 as an monthly title, was later published
biweekly and since '56 or '57 it has a weekly distribution.
>Yeah. By Mau Heymans. It's in that 2000th Dutch issue (91-06). Did they
>reprint the entire story, including the 1-page panels? (Total should be
>16 pages).
>Is there still an ad for FLUX soap in one of the panels? (Just curious 8-)
As I remember ('cause the book is at home) Ehapa has published the whole 16
pages. For the FLUX soap ad I have to read it again. I don't know because
there were so many ads.
>What makes you think it's German? Do they 'ueberhaupt' make any Disney
>stories in Germany nowadays?
I've got a couple of comics with an index beginning with G which stands for (as
long as I know) Germany. This special story was about a treasure hunt in which
the first German Micky Maus book was found. So I think the story was especially
written and drawn for this anniversary.
Maybe You know the "Aus Onkel Dagoberts Schatztruhe" comics of the mid '80s:
1. Der Regengott von Uxmal
2. Wei_es Gold vom Matterhorn
3. Der Ausflug nach Key West
4. Picasso-Raub in Barcelona
5. F_nfmal Grand Canyon und zur_ck
As long as I know these are German Disney stories and their ID-numbers started
with G.
Gilbert
>Strange. Dutch DD Weekly started in 1952 and had its 2000th in early 1991.
>Did they skip some weeks in Germany?
Micky Maus started in September 1951 as an monthly title, was later published
biweekly and since '56 or '57 it has a weekly distribution.
>Yeah. By Mau Heymans. It's in that 2000th Dutch issue (91-06). Did they
>reprint the entire story, including the 1-page panels? (Total should be
>16 pages).
>Is there still an ad for FLUX soap in one of the panels? (Just curious 8-)
As I remember ('cause the book is at home) Ehapa has published the whole 16
pages. For the FLUX soap ad I have to read it again. I don't know because
there were so many ads.
>What makes you think it's German? Do they 'ueberhaupt' make any Disney
>stories in Germany nowadays?
I've got a couple of comics with an index beginning with G which stands for (as
long as I know) Germany. This special story was about a treasure hunt in which
the first German Micky Maus book was found. So I think the story was especially
written and drawn for this anniversary.
Maybe You know the "Aus Onkel Dagoberts Schatztruhe" comics of the mid '80s:
1. Der Regengott von Uxmal
2. Wei_es Gold vom Matterhorn
3. Der Ausflug nach Key West
4. Picasso-Raub in Barcelona
5. F_nfmal Grand Canyon und zur_ck
As long as I know these are German Disney stories and their ID-numbers started
with G.
Gilbert
James Williams
Disney-comics digest #304.
Message 146 -
1994-04-19 at 16:22:39
>I hope to answer a lot of these questions exactly when I have finished
>the Disney comics database. From my mind, there are or have been at
>least the following Disney newspaper strips:
Harry, thanks for the reply.
>- Silly Symphonies, sunday. Featured a lot of different "sub-series", like
> Donald Duck (Taliaferro), Hiawatha (Grant), Panchito (Murry),
> Joe Carioca (Murry), Pluto, Bambi.
Who is Grant? I don't recognize that artists name. Likewise, I'm not
familiar with characters called Panchito or Joe Carioca. Who are they?
>- Christmas tales, sunday. Only in Chistmas time (November/December). All
> kinds of characters, like Dumbo, Peter Pan, Cinderella etc.
Interesting. I'm surprised these never showed up in the Christmas specials
printed by Gladstone and Disney.
=====
Since no one else has the time, I volunteer to write the FAQ. For now,
all I need is for each of you to post to the list which questions you
think should be contained in the FAQ.
James Williams
>the Disney comics database. From my mind, there are or have been at
>least the following Disney newspaper strips:
Harry, thanks for the reply.
>- Silly Symphonies, sunday. Featured a lot of different "sub-series", like
> Donald Duck (Taliaferro), Hiawatha (Grant), Panchito (Murry),
> Joe Carioca (Murry), Pluto, Bambi.
Who is Grant? I don't recognize that artists name. Likewise, I'm not
familiar with characters called Panchito or Joe Carioca. Who are they?
>- Christmas tales, sunday. Only in Chistmas time (November/December). All
> kinds of characters, like Dumbo, Peter Pan, Cinderella etc.
Interesting. I'm surprised these never showed up in the Christmas specials
printed by Gladstone and Disney.
=====
Since no one else has the time, I volunteer to write the FAQ. For now,
all I need is for each of you to post to the list which questions you
think should be contained in the FAQ.
James Williams
Fredrik Ekman
FAQ
Message 147 -
1994-04-19 at 18:51:52
> Since no one else has the time, I volunteer to write the FAQ. For now,
> all I need is for each of you to post to the list which questions you
> think should be contained in the FAQ.
Excellent! May I offer a suggestion:
Now, if I were to do this FAQ, I'd start by going through all the old
messages from the list. They can be found on the FTP site. This is
tedious work, but not only do they include lots of relevant info (if
you can find it among all the stuff) but they can also give an idea of
which questions ARE really frequently asked.
I won't mail my own suggestions before someone digs up David's own
message. I seem to remember that it was quite well formulated, although
there are no doubt questions that are not mentioned in it.
/F
> all I need is for each of you to post to the list which questions you
> think should be contained in the FAQ.
Excellent! May I offer a suggestion:
Now, if I were to do this FAQ, I'd start by going through all the old
messages from the list. They can be found on the FTP site. This is
tedious work, but not only do they include lots of relevant info (if
you can find it among all the stuff) but they can also give an idea of
which questions ARE really frequently asked.
I won't mail my own suggestions before someone digs up David's own
message. I seem to remember that it was quite well formulated, although
there are no doubt questions that are not mentioned in it.
/F
Theodore Celentino
No subject
Message 148 -
1994-04-19 at 23:33:49
Hi all! I'm a list newcomer and I have what may be a very simple or
simple-minded question. However, the answer would help me set up a
nifty introduction to a discussion of cross-cultural communication
problems.
Here goes:
Is there an easy way to get a simple list of our dear friend Mickey
Mouse's name in each country of the world?
Thanks
Ted
simple-minded question. However, the answer would help me set up a
nifty introduction to a discussion of cross-cultural communication
problems.
Here goes:
Is there an easy way to get a simple list of our dear friend Mickey
Mouse's name in each country of the world?
Thanks
Ted
Per Starback
Mickey Mouse's name
Message 149 -
1994-04-19 at 23:55:08
List newcomer Theodore (welcome!) asked
> Is there an easy way to get a simple list of our dear friend Mickey
> Mouse's name in each country of the world?
Well, not exactly every, but you will find quite a few names in the
file characters/interlingual in the ftp archive for this list.
His name is Mickey, more or less, in most countries, even though it's
spelt in some other ways. Notable exceptions are Italy (Topolino) and
Sweden (Musse Pigg).
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
> Is there an easy way to get a simple list of our dear friend Mickey
> Mouse's name in each country of the world?
Well, not exactly every, but you will find quite a few names in the
file characters/interlingual in the ftp archive for this list.
His name is Mickey, more or less, in most countries, even though it's
spelt in some other ways. Notable exceptions are Italy (Topolino) and
Sweden (Musse Pigg).
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
David A Gerstein
Disney-comics digest #305.
Message 150 -
1994-04-20 at 03:04:55
Dear Folks,
Lessee... (mumble, mumble)
Ducktales Magazine
==================
Per: "Harry also wrote that he corrected the info on the [Don
Rosa] story for DuckTales Magazine .... Was that code and issue of DTM
wrong?"
Harry: "The code was of a long 2-part story in the regular
comic 'Ducktales' from Disney Comics. That comic has full credits,
and does not mention Don Rosa. The 4-page story that WAS written by
Don has been published somewhere else, in a Ducktales MAGAZINE. It
must be a coincidence that the story titles are (almost) the same."
And it is. DUCKTALES MAGAZINE was a kids' activity magazine,
with a 4-page comic strip in every issue, that was offered at magazine
racks in the United States from 1987-1989. The magazine's features
were very like the middle section of the Italian TOPOLINO. Features
included "Magica De Spell's Magic Tricks," "Recipes by Mrs. Beakley,"
"Inventions from Gyro's Brainstorming Barn" and "Beagle Boys Belly
Laughs."
I believe I may have even SEEN the issue with "Back in Time
for a Dime!" but did not buy it. Since the magazine went off sale I
have never seen any back issues anywhere.
Apparently they made a few extra 4-page comics that didn't get
used when the magazine folded, because those ended up in Disney Comics
issues of UNCLE SCROOGE (i. e. "The Puzzle of the Lost Pyramid" in US
266, and "The Hidden Treasure of Quackistan" somewhere else). The
dead giveaway for spotting these stories is the lettering, which is
very wide -- looks like Daan Jippes' and probably is, given that he
was in the Disney Studio art dept. when those strips were prepared.
Gilbert on German stories
=========================
"[The German 2000th issue's] special story was about a
treasure hunt in which the first German Micky Maus issue was found.
So I think the story was especially written and drawn for this
anniversary. Maybe you know the "Aus Onkel Dagoberts Schatztruhe"
comics of the mid '80s... [list deleted] As long as I know these
are German Disney stories and their ID-numbers started with G."
Right you are! Those Schatztruhe stories, written (and
drawn??) by Adolf Kabatek, are pretty darn good, too -- their major
weakness, I think, is their length. They move too slowly.
Perhaps Kabatek also drew this new story. Kabatek has drawn
many puzzle pages for the German weekly in which Ducks and Mice appear
together, so it shouldn't be all _that_ hard to identify his Mickey.
Do the Ducks appear with Mickey in this special story? (Shut
your eyes, Don)
I MUST HAVE THIS GERMAN 2000TH ISSUE! Can someone help me get
it? I will trade Gladstones for it through the mail... Just write to
me, David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu
Panchito
========
Harry: "Panchito is a Mexican bird..."
Not just a random bird in fact. He's a charro rooster, "by
trade" as he occasionally reminds us in the film.
(We at disney-comics at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE have trouble
distinguishing chickens from generic birds... ;-)
Panchito later reappeared in "Blame it on the Samba," a short
cartoon first included in the compilation _Melody Time_, then released
on its own as part of the Donald series.
James Williams on the Xmas newspaper strip
==========================================
"I'm surprised these never showed up in the Christmas specials
printed by Gladstone and Disney."
But... but... Disney printed one of them in the Christmas
special WDC&S 580!!! Gottfredson's only attempt at the Three Pigs and
Li'l Bad Wolf... thank goodness.
(No, you DIDN'T hear me criticize a GOTTFREDSON story. Go
back to your ducks.)
Silly Symphonies
================
Harry mentioned the characters who'd been in this strip. I
think that I can list the characters/stories:
1. Bucky Bug (1932-34)
2. Benny Bird (1934) in "Birds of a Feather"
[for 1 week there were two MM half-pages, the bonus one
reprinted last year in WDC&S 581]
3. DD and Peter Pig (1934) in "The Wise Little Hen"
4. Max Hare and Toby Tortoise in "The Boarding School Mystery,
or Who Swiped the Croquet Funds?" (1934)
5. Peter and Polly Penguin in "Penguin Isle" (1934)
6. Ambrose the Robber Kitten (1934-35)
7. "Cookieland, a Romance of the Cake and Candy World!" (1935)
8. Elmer Elephant (1935)
9. Three Orphan Kittens (1935)
10. Three Little Pigs (1936) "Further Advs. Of..."
11. Donald Duck (1936-37)
12. Practical Pig (1937-38)
13. Timid Elmer (1938)
13. Mother Pluto (1938)
14. Pluto (1938-39)
15. The Ugly Duckling (1939)
16. Hiawatha (1939-42)
17. Jose Carioca (1942-44)
18. Panchito (1944-46)
I'm not sure if these are all in quite the right order, but I
think this is all of them.
The title "Silly Symphonies" on the first panel ended with
Hiawatha. The "Pinocchio" strip of '39-40 has a Silly Symphony title
on the original version (Disney Comics removed it when using the
story), but was not, I believe, actually part of this strip.
The earlier stories all appeared in early issues of WDC&S,
with the sole exception of "The Wise Little Hen" (which was printed
last year, anyway). "The Boarding School Mystery" is a real
classic... it's a REAL shame it has not been reprinted since 1941.
Many of the 1935-1939 stories appeared in Abbeville's
collection of Silly Symphony and Classic Tales Sundays, which came out
in 1980. This book was their own, original companion to their
translated Mondadori books, but unlike those, it used uncensored
original strips as source material.
It seems clear that Bucky Bug was originally intended as
continuing star of the strip, appearing in several different serials
one after the other like Mickey. Only one of those serials appears in
the Abbeville book.
David Gerstein
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Lessee... (mumble, mumble)
Ducktales Magazine
==================
Per: "Harry also wrote that he corrected the info on the [Don
Rosa] story for DuckTales Magazine .... Was that code and issue of DTM
wrong?"
Harry: "The code was of a long 2-part story in the regular
comic 'Ducktales' from Disney Comics. That comic has full credits,
and does not mention Don Rosa. The 4-page story that WAS written by
Don has been published somewhere else, in a Ducktales MAGAZINE. It
must be a coincidence that the story titles are (almost) the same."
And it is. DUCKTALES MAGAZINE was a kids' activity magazine,
with a 4-page comic strip in every issue, that was offered at magazine
racks in the United States from 1987-1989. The magazine's features
were very like the middle section of the Italian TOPOLINO. Features
included "Magica De Spell's Magic Tricks," "Recipes by Mrs. Beakley,"
"Inventions from Gyro's Brainstorming Barn" and "Beagle Boys Belly
Laughs."
I believe I may have even SEEN the issue with "Back in Time
for a Dime!" but did not buy it. Since the magazine went off sale I
have never seen any back issues anywhere.
Apparently they made a few extra 4-page comics that didn't get
used when the magazine folded, because those ended up in Disney Comics
issues of UNCLE SCROOGE (i. e. "The Puzzle of the Lost Pyramid" in US
266, and "The Hidden Treasure of Quackistan" somewhere else). The
dead giveaway for spotting these stories is the lettering, which is
very wide -- looks like Daan Jippes' and probably is, given that he
was in the Disney Studio art dept. when those strips were prepared.
Gilbert on German stories
=========================
"[The German 2000th issue's] special story was about a
treasure hunt in which the first German Micky Maus issue was found.
So I think the story was especially written and drawn for this
anniversary. Maybe you know the "Aus Onkel Dagoberts Schatztruhe"
comics of the mid '80s... [list deleted] As long as I know these
are German Disney stories and their ID-numbers started with G."
Right you are! Those Schatztruhe stories, written (and
drawn??) by Adolf Kabatek, are pretty darn good, too -- their major
weakness, I think, is their length. They move too slowly.
Perhaps Kabatek also drew this new story. Kabatek has drawn
many puzzle pages for the German weekly in which Ducks and Mice appear
together, so it shouldn't be all _that_ hard to identify his Mickey.
Do the Ducks appear with Mickey in this special story? (Shut
your eyes, Don)
I MUST HAVE THIS GERMAN 2000TH ISSUE! Can someone help me get
it? I will trade Gladstones for it through the mail... Just write to
me, David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu
Panchito
========
Harry: "Panchito is a Mexican bird..."
Not just a random bird in fact. He's a charro rooster, "by
trade" as he occasionally reminds us in the film.
(We at disney-comics at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE have trouble
distinguishing chickens from generic birds... ;-)
Panchito later reappeared in "Blame it on the Samba," a short
cartoon first included in the compilation _Melody Time_, then released
on its own as part of the Donald series.
James Williams on the Xmas newspaper strip
==========================================
"I'm surprised these never showed up in the Christmas specials
printed by Gladstone and Disney."
But... but... Disney printed one of them in the Christmas
special WDC&S 580!!! Gottfredson's only attempt at the Three Pigs and
Li'l Bad Wolf... thank goodness.
(No, you DIDN'T hear me criticize a GOTTFREDSON story. Go
back to your ducks.)
Silly Symphonies
================
Harry mentioned the characters who'd been in this strip. I
think that I can list the characters/stories:
1. Bucky Bug (1932-34)
2. Benny Bird (1934) in "Birds of a Feather"
[for 1 week there were two MM half-pages, the bonus one
reprinted last year in WDC&S 581]
3. DD and Peter Pig (1934) in "The Wise Little Hen"
4. Max Hare and Toby Tortoise in "The Boarding School Mystery,
or Who Swiped the Croquet Funds?" (1934)
5. Peter and Polly Penguin in "Penguin Isle" (1934)
6. Ambrose the Robber Kitten (1934-35)
7. "Cookieland, a Romance of the Cake and Candy World!" (1935)
8. Elmer Elephant (1935)
9. Three Orphan Kittens (1935)
10. Three Little Pigs (1936) "Further Advs. Of..."
11. Donald Duck (1936-37)
12. Practical Pig (1937-38)
13. Timid Elmer (1938)
13. Mother Pluto (1938)
14. Pluto (1938-39)
15. The Ugly Duckling (1939)
16. Hiawatha (1939-42)
17. Jose Carioca (1942-44)
18. Panchito (1944-46)
I'm not sure if these are all in quite the right order, but I
think this is all of them.
The title "Silly Symphonies" on the first panel ended with
Hiawatha. The "Pinocchio" strip of '39-40 has a Silly Symphony title
on the original version (Disney Comics removed it when using the
story), but was not, I believe, actually part of this strip.
The earlier stories all appeared in early issues of WDC&S,
with the sole exception of "The Wise Little Hen" (which was printed
last year, anyway). "The Boarding School Mystery" is a real
classic... it's a REAL shame it has not been reprinted since 1941.
Many of the 1935-1939 stories appeared in Abbeville's
collection of Silly Symphony and Classic Tales Sundays, which came out
in 1980. This book was their own, original companion to their
translated Mondadori books, but unlike those, it used uncensored
original strips as source material.
It seems clear that Bucky Bug was originally intended as
continuing star of the strip, appearing in several different serials
one after the other like Mickey. Only one of those serials appears in
the Abbeville book.
David Gerstein
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>