>From: clawton at TFS.COM (Chris Lawton)
>DON ROSA:
> I now leave for a 4 day funnybook convention in Oakland, CA. I
> won't be back until Monday if people ask me any questions and I don't
> reply.
>
>Hope you see this in time. Is this the Oakland Convention Center? I work
>about a 5 minute walk away! I'd love to come by and say "Hi"!
It's a bit late now, but according to a CBG ad, Don was at "Bobby the
`K's` Comic Depot" in Fremont from 4-7 PM on April 21. The ad also
says that he'll be at Wonder Con April 22-23.
Author
Topic: 199404
(249 messages)
Mark Semich
Disney-comics digest #306.
Message 181 -
1994-04-22 at 14:57:30
Trygve J Helseth
FAQ's, Lurkers, and unsubscribers
Message 182 -
1994-04-22 at 17:11:49
Hello All:
When James volunteered to write a FAQ file, I began to think a bit about
questions asked here and this mail list in general. I am a relative
newcomer as I've only subscribed to this list since December 1993.
I first heard of this list back in August 1992 when I read a message
from Per in a cross-posted by Eric Walker in the Disney conference on
the RIME network. It was what I had been looking for and I was ready to
sign up immediately; one hitch--I didn't have Internet access.
Since joining the list, I've seen numerous references to the lurkers
as to why they don't participate. Of the approximately 100 subscribers,
it seems like no more than a dozen regularly post messages.
When I first joined I was overwhelmed by the depth of knowledge that the
regular participants displayed on Disney comics. I was reluctant to
post messages as I felt I had nothing to add to the topic at hand.
After a while, though, I decided that if I wasn't going to participate I
would rather not be here. So I started posting messages even if my
facts were shaky. I know now that I will never achieve the depth of
knowledge that the regulars have on the subject, but yet I want to ba an
active participant in the list.
Now I would bet that the other lurkers out there have at least as much
and, no doubt, more to contribute than I do, but for one reason or
another choose not to participate. Some just don't have the time, and
others may not care to post messages. I'll bet, though, that there are
others who would like to participate but feel intimidated by the
experts. I would guess that eventually they just give up and ultimately
join the ranks of the unsubscribed.
When I first started posting messages, I noticed that some regulars were
rather quick to jump on me when I said something in error. These same
folks would basically ignore anything else I had to say. So if you
want a response, just bait your message with a few boo boo's. (Bad
breath is better than no breath...)
Well, I've rambled on a bit, and I'm not sure where I'm going with this
post. I just think that this list is hard for that average Joe Lurker
to break into; maybe we need a "novice" message area--I know I could
use it!
Tryg Internet tryg.helseth at tstation.mn.org
or trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu
* QMPro 1.51 * "Bother" said Pooh, and deleted the entire message base..
When James volunteered to write a FAQ file, I began to think a bit about
questions asked here and this mail list in general. I am a relative
newcomer as I've only subscribed to this list since December 1993.
I first heard of this list back in August 1992 when I read a message
from Per in a cross-posted by Eric Walker in the Disney conference on
the RIME network. It was what I had been looking for and I was ready to
sign up immediately; one hitch--I didn't have Internet access.
Since joining the list, I've seen numerous references to the lurkers
as to why they don't participate. Of the approximately 100 subscribers,
it seems like no more than a dozen regularly post messages.
When I first joined I was overwhelmed by the depth of knowledge that the
regular participants displayed on Disney comics. I was reluctant to
post messages as I felt I had nothing to add to the topic at hand.
After a while, though, I decided that if I wasn't going to participate I
would rather not be here. So I started posting messages even if my
facts were shaky. I know now that I will never achieve the depth of
knowledge that the regulars have on the subject, but yet I want to ba an
active participant in the list.
Now I would bet that the other lurkers out there have at least as much
and, no doubt, more to contribute than I do, but for one reason or
another choose not to participate. Some just don't have the time, and
others may not care to post messages. I'll bet, though, that there are
others who would like to participate but feel intimidated by the
experts. I would guess that eventually they just give up and ultimately
join the ranks of the unsubscribed.
When I first started posting messages, I noticed that some regulars were
rather quick to jump on me when I said something in error. These same
folks would basically ignore anything else I had to say. So if you
want a response, just bait your message with a few boo boo's. (Bad
breath is better than no breath...)
Well, I've rambled on a bit, and I'm not sure where I'm going with this
post. I just think that this list is hard for that average Joe Lurker
to break into; maybe we need a "novice" message area--I know I could
use it!
Tryg Internet tryg.helseth at tstation.mn.org
or trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu
* QMPro 1.51 * "Bother" said Pooh, and deleted the entire message base..
H.J.Bjornhaug
FAQ's, Lurkers, and unsubscribers
Message 183 -
1994-04-22 at 17:40:55
Tryg writes:
Since joining the list, I've seen numerous references to the lurkers
as to why they don't participate. Of the approximately 100 subscribers,
it seems like no more than a dozen regularly post messages.
When I first joined I was overwhelmed by the depth of knowledge that the
regular participants displayed on Disney comics. I was reluctant to
post messages as I felt I had nothing to add to the topic at hand.
After a while, though, I decided that if I wasn't going to participate I
would rather not be here. So I started posting messages even if my
facts were shaky. I know now that I will never achieve the depth of
knowledge that the regulars have on the subject, but yet I want to ba an
active participant in the list.
Now I would bet that the other lurkers out there have at least as much
and, no doubt, more to contribute than I do, but for one reason or
another choose not to participate. Some just don't have the time, and
others may not care to post messages. I'll bet, though, that there are
others who would like to participate but feel intimidated by the
experts. I would guess that eventually they just give up and ultimately
join the ranks of the unsubscribed.
I've been lurking here since last summer, and this is my first posting.
I'm not at all intimitated by any of our experts, and I see no reason
to unsubscribe just because I don't contribute. Like Tryg did at first,
I haven't contributed because I haven't had anything relevant to add,
especially when I have to add it in English, and my sources (read:
Disney comics) are not located where my computer access is.
But I'll be back.
--- Helge J. Bjornhaug (slash that o, please) H.J.Bjornhaug at admin.uio.no
Universitatis Osloensis
Since joining the list, I've seen numerous references to the lurkers
as to why they don't participate. Of the approximately 100 subscribers,
it seems like no more than a dozen regularly post messages.
When I first joined I was overwhelmed by the depth of knowledge that the
regular participants displayed on Disney comics. I was reluctant to
post messages as I felt I had nothing to add to the topic at hand.
After a while, though, I decided that if I wasn't going to participate I
would rather not be here. So I started posting messages even if my
facts were shaky. I know now that I will never achieve the depth of
knowledge that the regulars have on the subject, but yet I want to ba an
active participant in the list.
Now I would bet that the other lurkers out there have at least as much
and, no doubt, more to contribute than I do, but for one reason or
another choose not to participate. Some just don't have the time, and
others may not care to post messages. I'll bet, though, that there are
others who would like to participate but feel intimidated by the
experts. I would guess that eventually they just give up and ultimately
join the ranks of the unsubscribed.
I've been lurking here since last summer, and this is my first posting.
I'm not at all intimitated by any of our experts, and I see no reason
to unsubscribe just because I don't contribute. Like Tryg did at first,
I haven't contributed because I haven't had anything relevant to add,
especially when I have to add it in English, and my sources (read:
Disney comics) are not located where my computer access is.
But I'll be back.
--- Helge J. Bjornhaug (slash that o, please) H.J.Bjornhaug at admin.uio.no
Universitatis Osloensis
David A Gerstein
German MM search over
Message 184 -
1994-04-22 at 17:51:55
Dear Folks,
A few days ago I asked if German fans could find me a copy of
German MM #2000 and trade it with me.
I have now arranged such a trade with list member Boris
Wagner, so no one else need try to find a copy. (However, if Gilbert
has also bought one, he can e-mail me and I'll still trade something
for it, because I told him I'd do that.)
Auf Wiedersehen!
David Gerstein
<David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu>
A few days ago I asked if German fans could find me a copy of
German MM #2000 and trade it with me.
I have now arranged such a trade with list member Boris
Wagner, so no one else need try to find a copy. (However, if Gilbert
has also bought one, he can e-mail me and I'll still trade something
for it, because I told him I'd do that.)
Auf Wiedersehen!
David Gerstein
<David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu>
Adair_t
FAQ's, Lurkers, and unsubscribers
Message 185 -
1994-04-23 at 01:03:36
\When I first joined I was overwhelmed by the depth of knowledge that the
\regular participants displayed on Disney comics. I was reluctant to
\post messages as I felt I had nothing to add to the topic at hand.
\After a while, though, I decided that if I wasn't going to participate I
\would rather not be here. So I started posting messages even if my
\facts were shaky. I know now that I will never achieve the depth of
\knowledge that the regulars have on the subject, but yet I want to ba an
\active participant in the list.
I joined this list because I am interested in all aspects of comicbooks and
comicstrips. I'll be the first to admit that I know very little about Disney
Comics, but if one asks questions and listens, one can learn quite a lot.
\Now I would bet that the other lurkers out there have at least as much
\and, no doubt, more to contribute than I do, but for one reason or
\another choose not to participate. Some just don't have the time, and
\others may not care to post messages. I'll bet, though, that there are
\others who would like to participate but feel intimidated by the
\experts. I would guess that eventually they just give up and ultimately
\join the ranks of the unsubscribed.
Some might just be bored about the content of this group. I've subscribed to
many newsgroups, read them, then decided they weren't what I expected them to
be. I am never intimidated by the experts, or else I wouldn't ask questions.
The First Rule of Meeting Famous People is to realize that they are human
beings too, and that most celebrities like to meet people. Just treat them
with respect.
\When I first started posting messages, I noticed that some regulars were
\rather quick to jump on me when I said something in error. These same
\folks would basically ignore anything else I had to say. So if you
\want a response, just bait your message with a few boo boo's. (Bad
\breath is better than no breath...)
That's why this groups has such a high quality. I know that no matter how
esoteric or stupid my question is (e.g. Scrooge's Net Worth), I'll get at least
one answer, and a usually accurate one at that. It still boggles my mind how
much people know about Disney comics.
\Well, I've rambled on a bit, and I'm not sure where I'm going with this
\post. I just think that this list is hard for that average Joe Lurker
\to break into; maybe we need a "novice" message area--I know I could
\use it!
Every organization needs to seduce, er, RECRUIT new members, or else it tends
to collapse upon itself. Thankfully, with new students joining the Internet
each year, we shouldn't have that problem.
Torsten Adair adair_t at kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Wellington, New Zealand
\regular participants displayed on Disney comics. I was reluctant to
\post messages as I felt I had nothing to add to the topic at hand.
\After a while, though, I decided that if I wasn't going to participate I
\would rather not be here. So I started posting messages even if my
\facts were shaky. I know now that I will never achieve the depth of
\knowledge that the regulars have on the subject, but yet I want to ba an
\active participant in the list.
I joined this list because I am interested in all aspects of comicbooks and
comicstrips. I'll be the first to admit that I know very little about Disney
Comics, but if one asks questions and listens, one can learn quite a lot.
\Now I would bet that the other lurkers out there have at least as much
\and, no doubt, more to contribute than I do, but for one reason or
\another choose not to participate. Some just don't have the time, and
\others may not care to post messages. I'll bet, though, that there are
\others who would like to participate but feel intimidated by the
\experts. I would guess that eventually they just give up and ultimately
\join the ranks of the unsubscribed.
Some might just be bored about the content of this group. I've subscribed to
many newsgroups, read them, then decided they weren't what I expected them to
be. I am never intimidated by the experts, or else I wouldn't ask questions.
The First Rule of Meeting Famous People is to realize that they are human
beings too, and that most celebrities like to meet people. Just treat them
with respect.
\When I first started posting messages, I noticed that some regulars were
\rather quick to jump on me when I said something in error. These same
\folks would basically ignore anything else I had to say. So if you
\want a response, just bait your message with a few boo boo's. (Bad
\breath is better than no breath...)
That's why this groups has such a high quality. I know that no matter how
esoteric or stupid my question is (e.g. Scrooge's Net Worth), I'll get at least
one answer, and a usually accurate one at that. It still boggles my mind how
much people know about Disney comics.
\Well, I've rambled on a bit, and I'm not sure where I'm going with this
\post. I just think that this list is hard for that average Joe Lurker
\to break into; maybe we need a "novice" message area--I know I could
\use it!
Every organization needs to seduce, er, RECRUIT new members, or else it tends
to collapse upon itself. Thankfully, with new students joining the Internet
each year, we shouldn't have that problem.
Torsten Adair adair_t at kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Wellington, New Zealand
Adair_t
FAQ question suggestions
Message 186 -
1994-04-23 at 01:46:28
While most of the FAQ can be taken from the digests, I'd like to make some
suggestions on FAQ topics.
Section A: Creator biographies. Include the major names, list their main
areas of creativity, and notable "freelancing" (such as Barks' Mickey Mouse
story). Include information about studios as well, including the Disney Studio
stories. It may be best to give each creator a section, and repeat questions.
(Who is...? What did they do? What are they doing now? What are some good
examples of their talent?)
Section B: Publishers and licensees. Include any publisher which has ever
printed an approved Disney comic. A geographical list (duplicated to FTP) of
current licensees would be nice.
Section B.1 Egmont
Section B.2 Gladstone
Section B.3 _________ (German licensee?)
Section C: Where can I find information about....? Describes information in
the FTP files, as well as notable reference books. Perhaps online
sources as well?
Section D: Questions about Uncle Scrooge.
(Net worth, lucky dime, money bin)
Section E: Questions about Mickey Mouse
(why is Donald Duck more popular, which is better...pre or post
lobotomy, where does he live)
Section F: Questions about Duck characters.
(what is Gyro, duck genealogy, JWW info)
Section G: Questions about other classic Disney characters (Scamp, Goofy, Li'l
Hiawatha, Pooh, Li'l Bad Wolf, Brer Rabbit)
Section H: Questions about Disney feature animation characters (Snow White,
Bambi, Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast)
Section I: Disney and controversy. Include censored stories.
Section J: Information about Disney comicstrips.
Section K: General information (abbreviations, information about disney-comics)
Section L: Questions about stories
Section L.1 Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck
Section L.2 Popular Duck stories
Section L.3 Mickey Mouse and the Phantom Blot
Section L.4 Crossover stories (Mickey Mouse/Uncle Scrooge,
Thumper/Seven Dwarfs)
Section L.5 Miscelaneous
Section M: Other information (under construction)
circulation figures, odd topics of discussion, anything which doesn't
fit into any of the other sections, but doesn't quite deserve a section
of its own.
Well gang, that's half of the alphabet. I hope this helps whoever is creating
the FAQ. I'll be more than happy to play the part of "stupid user" once the
preliminary release is finished.
(The easiet way to edit the FAQ is to transfer the FTP files to disk, run it
through a word processor, cut and paste, run the spell check, then send it back
to your account.)
Torsten Adair adair_t at kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Wellington, New Zealand
suggestions on FAQ topics.
Section A: Creator biographies. Include the major names, list their main
areas of creativity, and notable "freelancing" (such as Barks' Mickey Mouse
story). Include information about studios as well, including the Disney Studio
stories. It may be best to give each creator a section, and repeat questions.
(Who is...? What did they do? What are they doing now? What are some good
examples of their talent?)
Section B: Publishers and licensees. Include any publisher which has ever
printed an approved Disney comic. A geographical list (duplicated to FTP) of
current licensees would be nice.
Section B.1 Egmont
Section B.2 Gladstone
Section B.3 _________ (German licensee?)
Section C: Where can I find information about....? Describes information in
the FTP files, as well as notable reference books. Perhaps online
sources as well?
Section D: Questions about Uncle Scrooge.
(Net worth, lucky dime, money bin)
Section E: Questions about Mickey Mouse
(why is Donald Duck more popular, which is better...pre or post
lobotomy, where does he live)
Section F: Questions about Duck characters.
(what is Gyro, duck genealogy, JWW info)
Section G: Questions about other classic Disney characters (Scamp, Goofy, Li'l
Hiawatha, Pooh, Li'l Bad Wolf, Brer Rabbit)
Section H: Questions about Disney feature animation characters (Snow White,
Bambi, Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast)
Section I: Disney and controversy. Include censored stories.
Section J: Information about Disney comicstrips.
Section K: General information (abbreviations, information about disney-comics)
Section L: Questions about stories
Section L.1 Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck
Section L.2 Popular Duck stories
Section L.3 Mickey Mouse and the Phantom Blot
Section L.4 Crossover stories (Mickey Mouse/Uncle Scrooge,
Thumper/Seven Dwarfs)
Section L.5 Miscelaneous
Section M: Other information (under construction)
circulation figures, odd topics of discussion, anything which doesn't
fit into any of the other sections, but doesn't quite deserve a section
of its own.
Well gang, that's half of the alphabet. I hope this helps whoever is creating
the FAQ. I'll be more than happy to play the part of "stupid user" once the
preliminary release is finished.
(The easiet way to edit the FAQ is to transfer the FTP files to disk, run it
through a word processor, cut and paste, run the spell check, then send it back
to your account.)
Torsten Adair adair_t at kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Wellington, New Zealand
Rivera, Miguel
New e-mail account
Message 187 -
1994-04-23 at 03:30:38
Hi,
Would you please send the digest to my new email account. My old
email account was rivera_miguel at jpmorgan.com. My new account is
Rivera,Miguel at jpmorgan.com
Thanks,
Mike
Would you please send the digest to my new email account. My old
email account was rivera_miguel at jpmorgan.com. My new account is
Rivera,Miguel at jpmorgan.com
Thanks,
Mike
TRYG HELSETH
FAQ's, Lurkers, and unsub
Message 188 -
1994-04-23 at 06:32:16
Helge J. Bjornhaug (slash that o, please) Writes:
HB>I've been lurking here since last summer, and this is my first
HB>posting. I'm not at all intimitated by any of our experts, and I see
HB>no reason to unsubscribe just because I don't contribute. Like Tryg
HB>did at first, I haven't contributed because I haven't had anything
HB>relevant to add, especially when I have to add it in English, and my
HB>sources (read: Disney comics) are not located where my computer
HB>access is.
Helge, I guessed that having the added burden of translating to English
would deter many people from posting. Translating to another language
would certainly limit the posting I do. I find it ironic that this list
is in English since it seems that for most of the participants, English
is a second (or third) language.
HB>But I'll be back.
Great!
Torsten Adair writes:
TA>I joined this list because I am interested in all aspects of
TA>comicbooks and comicstrips. I'll be the first to admit that I know
TA>very little about Disney Comics, but if one asks questions and
TA>listens, one can learn quite a lot.
I won't argue with that--I certainly have learned quite a bit from just
reading the messages.
TA>Some might just be bored about the content of this group. I've
TA>subscribed to many newsgroups, read them, then decided they weren't
TA>what I expected them to be.
That is true. I've done the same with various news groups / conferences.
Some are of no interest, others are far too busy and the volume of
messages makes them too difficult to follow. Still, I believe there are
people who drop out for other reasons beyond lack of interest.
TA>I am never intimidated by the experts, or else I wouldn't ask
TA>questions.
I guess I am, but I'm foolish enough to ask anyway... :)
TA>The First Rule of Meeting Famous People is to realize that they are
TA>human beings too, and that most celebrities like to meet people.
TA>Just treat them with respect.
George Bernard Shaw had a list of Laws including one that warned you to
never meet an author in person as the only thing tolerable about them is
their writings. As I see it, the problem is that we build up images
of what celebrities are like which have little basis in fact. Of course
the celebrities could never meet the expectations we set for them. (Nor
should they.)
TA>esoteric or stupid my question is (e.g. Scrooge's Net Worth), I'll
TA>get at least one answer, and a usually accurate one at that. It
TA>still boggles my mind how much people know about Disney comics.
Agreed.
TA>Every organization needs to seduce, er, RECRUIT new members, or else
TA>it tends to collapse upon itself. Thankfully, with new students
TA>joining the Internet each year, we shouldn't have that problem.
Certainly there will always be attrition in any group and new recruits
are always needed. The problem I've seen with many organizations is
that while newcomers are greeted with warm welcomes, they are soon
ignored and the other members return to the comfort of their familiar
friends. I think this is the crucial point of recruitment--beyond
getting someone to join, you have to expend some effort to bring them
into the group if you expect to keep them around for a while.
Tryg
Internet tryg.helseth at tstation.mn.org
or trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu
* QMPro 1.51 * Maybe I'm happy; maybe I'm sad; maybe I'm a little mad!
HB>I've been lurking here since last summer, and this is my first
HB>posting. I'm not at all intimitated by any of our experts, and I see
HB>no reason to unsubscribe just because I don't contribute. Like Tryg
HB>did at first, I haven't contributed because I haven't had anything
HB>relevant to add, especially when I have to add it in English, and my
HB>sources (read: Disney comics) are not located where my computer
HB>access is.
Helge, I guessed that having the added burden of translating to English
would deter many people from posting. Translating to another language
would certainly limit the posting I do. I find it ironic that this list
is in English since it seems that for most of the participants, English
is a second (or third) language.
HB>But I'll be back.
Great!
Torsten Adair writes:
TA>I joined this list because I am interested in all aspects of
TA>comicbooks and comicstrips. I'll be the first to admit that I know
TA>very little about Disney Comics, but if one asks questions and
TA>listens, one can learn quite a lot.
I won't argue with that--I certainly have learned quite a bit from just
reading the messages.
TA>Some might just be bored about the content of this group. I've
TA>subscribed to many newsgroups, read them, then decided they weren't
TA>what I expected them to be.
That is true. I've done the same with various news groups / conferences.
Some are of no interest, others are far too busy and the volume of
messages makes them too difficult to follow. Still, I believe there are
people who drop out for other reasons beyond lack of interest.
TA>I am never intimidated by the experts, or else I wouldn't ask
TA>questions.
I guess I am, but I'm foolish enough to ask anyway... :)
TA>The First Rule of Meeting Famous People is to realize that they are
TA>human beings too, and that most celebrities like to meet people.
TA>Just treat them with respect.
George Bernard Shaw had a list of Laws including one that warned you to
never meet an author in person as the only thing tolerable about them is
their writings. As I see it, the problem is that we build up images
of what celebrities are like which have little basis in fact. Of course
the celebrities could never meet the expectations we set for them. (Nor
should they.)
TA>esoteric or stupid my question is (e.g. Scrooge's Net Worth), I'll
TA>get at least one answer, and a usually accurate one at that. It
TA>still boggles my mind how much people know about Disney comics.
Agreed.
TA>Every organization needs to seduce, er, RECRUIT new members, or else
TA>it tends to collapse upon itself. Thankfully, with new students
TA>joining the Internet each year, we shouldn't have that problem.
Certainly there will always be attrition in any group and new recruits
are always needed. The problem I've seen with many organizations is
that while newcomers are greeted with warm welcomes, they are soon
ignored and the other members return to the comfort of their familiar
friends. I think this is the crucial point of recruitment--beyond
getting someone to join, you have to expend some effort to bring them
into the group if you expect to keep them around for a while.
Tryg
Internet tryg.helseth at tstation.mn.org
or trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu
* QMPro 1.51 * Maybe I'm happy; maybe I'm sad; maybe I'm a little mad!
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #307.
Message 189 -
1994-04-25 at 16:19:04
DAVID:
No... if Disney nixes Lo$ #11, or any other part of any other
chapter, that's life. Why should I help them spoil my work!? Besides, if
they won't allow the scene of the destruction of the native village,
they might as well skip that whole chapter as the rest of it would be
meaningless. I base that plot on the idea that $crooge made his money
"square" in all but that ONE instance... and he learns a lesson.
MARK:
Yes, I saw your letter in the comics that gives away the ending
of "GotLL", but that's not YOUR fault. The knuckleknobs at Gladstone
didn't have to print it or at least that part of it. It's THEIR fault.
What happens in "The Duck Who Never Was"? (Not "The Duck THAT
Never Was", as in their mention.) Just what you'd expect if you ever saw
"It's a Wonderful Life", which is what the story is self-admittedly
based on. The alternate title was "It's a Wonderful Duck" or something.
Every single thing about Duckburg is screwed up and the lives of ALL the
Duckburg characters are ruined... EXCEPT ONE. Can you guess WHO?
PER:
Yes, I'll be at the cons in Europe I mentioned.
I might swear off American cons like in Oakland, however. It's
VERY insulting, both for me and for the Ducks, when I am virtually
ignored by all the attendees since the teaching of all the modern
"collectors" magazines and attitudes is that they should SHUN these
characters. I end up sitting in the "poverty row" section with the
unknown wannabe's and sign comics for women who have no idea who I am
and have never till that moment touched a Disney comic book. And since
attending conventions for me is strictly LOST time (and money), I don't
need the aggravation! The other guests all benefit from promoting
themselves or their work for royalties, or they enjoy being part of
grandiose publisher booths, wined and dined and touted by their
publishers, and generally part of the whole super-profitable American
comic scene that I am completely and irrevocably shut out of. It's just
too depressing, so I think I'll just stay home from now on and pretend
none of that stuff is going on.
No... if Disney nixes Lo$ #11, or any other part of any other
chapter, that's life. Why should I help them spoil my work!? Besides, if
they won't allow the scene of the destruction of the native village,
they might as well skip that whole chapter as the rest of it would be
meaningless. I base that plot on the idea that $crooge made his money
"square" in all but that ONE instance... and he learns a lesson.
MARK:
Yes, I saw your letter in the comics that gives away the ending
of "GotLL", but that's not YOUR fault. The knuckleknobs at Gladstone
didn't have to print it or at least that part of it. It's THEIR fault.
What happens in "The Duck Who Never Was"? (Not "The Duck THAT
Never Was", as in their mention.) Just what you'd expect if you ever saw
"It's a Wonderful Life", which is what the story is self-admittedly
based on. The alternate title was "It's a Wonderful Duck" or something.
Every single thing about Duckburg is screwed up and the lives of ALL the
Duckburg characters are ruined... EXCEPT ONE. Can you guess WHO?
PER:
Yes, I'll be at the cons in Europe I mentioned.
I might swear off American cons like in Oakland, however. It's
VERY insulting, both for me and for the Ducks, when I am virtually
ignored by all the attendees since the teaching of all the modern
"collectors" magazines and attitudes is that they should SHUN these
characters. I end up sitting in the "poverty row" section with the
unknown wannabe's and sign comics for women who have no idea who I am
and have never till that moment touched a Disney comic book. And since
attending conventions for me is strictly LOST time (and money), I don't
need the aggravation! The other guests all benefit from promoting
themselves or their work for royalties, or they enjoy being part of
grandiose publisher booths, wined and dined and touted by their
publishers, and generally part of the whole super-profitable American
comic scene that I am completely and irrevocably shut out of. It's just
too depressing, so I think I'll just stay home from now on and pretend
none of that stuff is going on.
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #308.
Message 190 -
1994-04-25 at 16:35:50
DAVID:
Since you were trying to correct Mark S.'s comment about what
"tGotLL" concerns, I'll correct you in turn:
"The Guardians of the Lost Library" (for all you who have
already had this part of the story spoiled for you) concerns the origin
and history of the group mentioned in the title who are, in a certain
sense explained in the story, the predecessors of the Junior Woodchucks
of the World. And the story explains the origin of a PORTION of the
Woodchuck Manual -- not every word that's in it, but just, perhaps, its
framework. The Junior Woodchucks AND their Manual would probably have
existed with or without the Guardians of the Lost Library... (but not
nearly as well).
Since you were trying to correct Mark S.'s comment about what
"tGotLL" concerns, I'll correct you in turn:
"The Guardians of the Lost Library" (for all you who have
already had this part of the story spoiled for you) concerns the origin
and history of the group mentioned in the title who are, in a certain
sense explained in the story, the predecessors of the Junior Woodchucks
of the World. And the story explains the origin of a PORTION of the
Woodchuck Manual -- not every word that's in it, but just, perhaps, its
framework. The Junior Woodchucks AND their Manual would probably have
existed with or without the Guardians of the Lost Library... (but not
nearly as well).
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #309.
Message 191 -
1994-04-25 at 16:45:16
Since I'm the only "author" on here, is it being implied here
that I do not conduct myself in a proper manner?
I'll jump down the throat of anybody who says I've ever jumped
down anybody's throat! Oops...
My comments are seen in a different light by some people because
they are somehow intimidated by my presence for no good reason? I can't
help that. It's not fair to anyone to say they can't be an equal part
of the group and speak their mind as much as everyone else.
Shall I un-subscribe and reappear under an assumed name?
that I do not conduct myself in a proper manner?
I'll jump down the throat of anybody who says I've ever jumped
down anybody's throat! Oops...
My comments are seen in a different light by some people because
they are somehow intimidated by my presence for no good reason? I can't
help that. It's not fair to anyone to say they can't be an equal part
of the group and speak their mind as much as everyone else.
Shall I un-subscribe and reappear under an assumed name?
Mattias Hallin
Disney-comics digest #309.
Message 192 -
1994-04-25 at 16:57:23
DON:
Ought you to "unsubscribe and reappear under a taken name", you ask
rhetorically ('though I have to confess I can't recall what posting might have
provoked you) -- and the obvious answer to your question is: NO!!! This is so
for (at least) two reasons:
a) you're in the right, and both SHOULD, MUST and, I sincerely hope, DO have
equal rights with the rest of us here to speak your mind freely
b) unless you also assumed a taken personality I don't think you could hide
yourself under an alias for more'n a few lines -- you DO have a rather distinct
style, and besides who could know what you know and think what you think and
say so, and not be you?
...so I'm afraid that horse won't even trot.
But anyway, as far as MY opinion is concerned, you just as any of us must be
free to say what you like to whom you like about what you like -- or dislike!
Welcome back, by-the-by, and a pity to hear you didn't particularly enjoy
yourself.
Mattias
Ought you to "unsubscribe and reappear under a taken name", you ask
rhetorically ('though I have to confess I can't recall what posting might have
provoked you) -- and the obvious answer to your question is: NO!!! This is so
for (at least) two reasons:
a) you're in the right, and both SHOULD, MUST and, I sincerely hope, DO have
equal rights with the rest of us here to speak your mind freely
b) unless you also assumed a taken personality I don't think you could hide
yourself under an alias for more'n a few lines -- you DO have a rather distinct
style, and besides who could know what you know and think what you think and
say so, and not be you?
...so I'm afraid that horse won't even trot.
But anyway, as far as MY opinion is concerned, you just as any of us must be
free to say what you like to whom you like about what you like -- or dislike!
Welcome back, by-the-by, and a pity to hear you didn't particularly enjoy
yourself.
Mattias
David A Gerstein
Rec.arts.comics Poll Results
Message 193 -
1994-04-25 at 22:19:57
Dear Folks,
About two months ago the digest contained my review of the
current MM Sunday strip. Now rec.arts.comics recently had a poll of
strips, rated 1-10, out of ALL known currently-syndicated strips. (10
was the best.)
At the end of the result announcement, they named the Ten
Worst Strips among those that more than ten people had voted on.
Among those came, unsurprisingly:
Vote (Mean) Standard
Count Average Deviation
----------------------------------------------
13 2.00+-1.87 0.92 Mickey Mouse
And among those that fewer than ten had voted on:
1 1.00 0.00 Donald Duck
If it's any consolation, Aladdin (which apparently is now a
daily strip!) did far worse than MM... although slightly better
than DD.
Considering how bad the MM newspaper strip was when I saw it,
I don't even think I want to SEE what has been done to our favorite
Ducks.... although I think one clue is the Sunday strips that they
reprint on the backs of Donald Duck Orange Juice cartons.
Ah, my Computer Science instructor just walked by this
terminal. He looked at what I was typing and agreed with me on the
low standard of the current MM strip (which he got, in some obscure
paper, when staying in LA last year). "It's aimed at four-year-olds,"
was his comment.
I bet poor Floyd is turning over in his grave. Disney sure
knows how to sell something short.
David Gerstein
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
About two months ago the digest contained my review of the
current MM Sunday strip. Now rec.arts.comics recently had a poll of
strips, rated 1-10, out of ALL known currently-syndicated strips. (10
was the best.)
At the end of the result announcement, they named the Ten
Worst Strips among those that more than ten people had voted on.
Among those came, unsurprisingly:
Vote (Mean) Standard
Count Average Deviation
----------------------------------------------
13 2.00+-1.87 0.92 Mickey Mouse
And among those that fewer than ten had voted on:
1 1.00 0.00 Donald Duck
If it's any consolation, Aladdin (which apparently is now a
daily strip!) did far worse than MM... although slightly better
than DD.
Considering how bad the MM newspaper strip was when I saw it,
I don't even think I want to SEE what has been done to our favorite
Ducks.... although I think one clue is the Sunday strips that they
reprint on the backs of Donald Duck Orange Juice cartons.
Ah, my Computer Science instructor just walked by this
terminal. He looked at what I was typing and agreed with me on the
low standard of the current MM strip (which he got, in some obscure
paper, when staying in LA last year). "It's aimed at four-year-olds,"
was his comment.
I bet poor Floyd is turning over in his grave. Disney sure
knows how to sell something short.
David Gerstein
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
The Elmos Of Madison County
His Majesty McDuck available
Message 194 -
1994-04-25 at 22:31:06
I have an extra copy of Don Rosa's "His Majesty McDuck" (Gladstone,
U$ #260-something, 1989) which I'm willing to give to anyone for the
cost of postage. It's in VF-NM physically, but the white areas on the cover
show some discoloration and the paper is starting to age.
E-mail me if you're interested.
For the list, I have a Louisville newspaper article on Don from early April
which I'll type in as soon as I remember to bring it into work.
greg
--
"I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh,
there was a happy time when I believed in liberals."
--G.K. Chesterton
elmo (morrow at physics.rice.edu,morrow at fnal.fnal.gov)
U$ #260-something, 1989) which I'm willing to give to anyone for the
cost of postage. It's in VF-NM physically, but the white areas on the cover
show some discoloration and the paper is starting to age.
E-mail me if you're interested.
For the list, I have a Louisville newspaper article on Don from early April
which I'll type in as soon as I remember to bring it into work.
greg
--
"I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh,
there was a happy time when I believed in liberals."
--G.K. Chesterton
elmo (morrow at physics.rice.edu,morrow at fnal.fnal.gov)
Dwight Decker
Desperately seeking Fabio
Message 195 -
1994-04-25 at 23:24:21
I seem to have lost Fabio's e-mail address,
right when I need some help with an Italian
Disney story I'm transalting. (And to add
to the irony, the word I need to know the
meaning of isn't even Italian, but an
English word the Italians have picked up
and given some kind of new spin to). Could
Fabio please get in touch with me...?
Arrigato!
(Wait...wrong language!
Dwight Decker
"Just a Mickey Mouse translator"
right when I need some help with an Italian
Disney story I'm transalting. (And to add
to the irony, the word I need to know the
meaning of isn't even Italian, but an
English word the Italians have picked up
and given some kind of new spin to). Could
Fabio please get in touch with me...?
Arrigato!
(Wait...wrong language!
Dwight Decker
"Just a Mickey Mouse translator"