Keskustelujen arkisto

Finally, I was able to get the new files from ftp.lysator.liu.se.
Here are some remarks for David:

Thank you for the updates in the "oils" file!

In the file 'peter-pig' you write:

# Peter is not to be confused with Percy Pigg, a friend of Mickey (...)
# Percy's wife Patricia Pigg had a starring role in one early cartoon,
# "Mickey's Follies" (1929), as well as appearing in various gag strips
# and "Love Trouble."

# Percy and Patricia Pigg are the only Mickey Mouse characters to be
# enjoying married life.

How about Captain and mrs. Churchmouse?

--Harry.

On Tue, 19 Apr 1994, James Williams wrote:

> >- Silly Symphonies, sunday. Featured a lot of different "sub-series", like
> > Donald Duck (Taliaferro), Hiawatha (Grant), Panchito (Murry),
> > Joe Carioca (Murry), Pluto, Bambi.
>
> Who is Grant? I don't recognize that artists name. Likewise, I'm not
> familiar with characters called Panchito or Joe Carioca. Who are they?

Panchito and Jose Carioca is the supporting cast of Donald duck's various
adventures in south america. A rooster and a parrot from The Three
Caballeros (1945) and Saludos Amigos (1943), both Donald Duck features.

As for the FAQ, what about these:

Who's that Carl Barks dude you're always talking about? Didn't Walt Disney
draw all those comics? Who's Don Rosa? Al Taliaferro? William van Horn?
Daniel Atterbom? Egmont? Paul Murry?

All these funny numbers in these comics, what do they mean?

Hey! I found a D.U.C.K Don signature! is there more? I couldn't find more
in any comics i looked in! Where are they? I can't find it in Tailspin?

...

Some ideas, perhaps?

Steamboat Willie

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Internet: hellman at proxxi.uf.se, DuckNet: hellman at 313:100/13.0

Don wanted some reactions, and having just read the two first parts of the
three parted chapter 11, I have some comments. But first:

MAJOR LO$ SPOILER WARNING !

Ok, Don.

First of all I must say that the references to Barks stories are very well
done. In the hands of a less capable writer/artist, this chapter could soon
become a dry collection of Barks Facts, but you manage to keep a small
story flowing inbetween all the references.

This chapter is very different from the others, mainly because the story
suffers much under the weight of the Barks references. Most of the other
chapters have had a great story with a lot of Barks facts thrown into the
storyline. This chapter has mainly been a load of Barks facts with a small
story connecting the various facts. Under the weight of all the references,
the storyline seems supressed. However, I haven't read part 3 of the chapter
yet, so my views may still change. There are some very impressive scenes
in the story, and as I mentioned above, you manage to avoid the story
being *JUST* facts, but keep them connected and flowing.

Scrooges rage and his imperialistic actions in the jungle are handled
very well. Scrooge is almost unrecognisable as he performs this evil deed,
with his blackened face and furious eyebrows. I can't see any reason why
Disney would want to ban this. What they'll probably see a problem with
is the gun pointing at Scrooge on page 3 (Gasp! THREE guns pointing at
Scrooge at the same time!). The Titanic drawing was awesome, and really
grabbed me by surprise, but all those people jumping into the ocean is
probably too much for the tender people at Disney. I mean, thats a mighty
long fall.

The coloring in the Norwegian version was overall good, except for one
major error. A small map is shown after Scrooge leaves Africa, showing
Scrooge traveling through Egypt and towards a train track. The colouring
here is all screwed up, with the oceans and some of Africa green, and
all of Europe blue. It took a long time before I managed to make any sense
of that map.

One question for Don: The medicine man (Hoku Poku is his name in Norwegian)
signs the contract with an X, but then he reads Scrooges name from the
contract. I thought X was signed by people unable to read or write. Or
has the medicine man learned to read, but not to write ?

Jon C. Lorentzen

Dunno -- but Ah'd say, Ah mean, AH'D say that one of our MAJOR FAQ's would bi
this'un:

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Hmmm...?

Mattias

TO DON:

you said:
And I thank the other nice person who suggested I could
collect
a royalty off my text pieces. But again... Gladstone would
avoid this by
not using my text pieces any longer. The thing you nice folks
don't seem
to grasp is that neither Gladstone nor Egmont are TRYING to
find a
system by which they would HAVE to pay me more money! No
publisher WANTS
to pay royalties -- but they find they MUST in order to get the
work
they want. Gladstone and Egmont MUST pay royalties to Disney to
use my
work (or any Disney stuff)... but they do not need to pay ME,
so they'd
be foolish to figure out a way to compel themselves to do so.

Actually, they would probably be better off letting you write a
forward to a collected Lo$ AND paying you additional royalties
for it for:
a) the publicity...they could put you on "Good Morning
America", etc...signings, the works...Marvel never HAD to pay
Lee to write forwards to the collections, but the publicity
value was enormous.
b) world-wide good will. It's about time that Disney Corp.
realized that old Walt is dead, dead, dead & they should hitch
their future on some warm bodies. A global personality cult
centered itself on CB without Disney's participation. Imagine
how their books would sell if they threw some of that enormous
PR machine on active artists....
c) future developments. I am assuming that they at least
realize the new life you and William Van Horn have breathed
into their characters. European stuff is nice, but you guys are
responsible for jump-started a dead vehicle in America.

Well, I've said my piece.

Probably you're right, they just don't give a tinker's damn
about their own stuff.

PS-- regarding your comments on the mouse -- Dan O'Neill knew
what MM was all about twenty years ago. THAT mouse had
character!
Ron

Theodore> Is there an easy way to get a simple list of our dear friend Mickey
Theodore> Mouse's name in each country of the world?

Bror> No, there's not (not that I know of). You can try looking trough this
Bror> lists ftp-site.
Bror> I'm doing some sort of translation-index and have these names:

You're not the only one! Over a year ago Andreas Gammel (hi!)
suggested that we should try to get names of Disney characters in as
many different languages as possible and now Fredrik maintains such a
list, available at the ftp archive as characters/interlingual. Maybe
that was before you joined the list?

The main input to the first version of that list came from my own such
collection, for which I had used several sources, among them some
files I got from you. I advise you to get the interlingual file and
compare with your own stuff!

It's sort of fun to collect all those names I guess, but most of the
time it really doesn't matter much to me what Chief O'Hara is called
in Latin... There is at least one practical use of that list near at
hand though, namely to aid members of this very list who have read
Disney comics mostly in other languages than English so they will be
able to understand and participate in the English language discussion
on those characters on this list.

I will (Real Soon Now) send out special lists translating between one
particular language and English to all list subscribers who have
addresses that seems to indicate a non-English-speaking origin.

By the way, there is a new version of that file as of today, as well
as of the Van Horn index van-horn.index. Thanks to Fredrik, Mikko
who sent Fredrik info on Van Horn publications in Finnish, and Gilbert
who sent Fredrik some info for the interlingual list.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"

Dear Folks,

A few things to comment on today.

Air Pirates Funnies
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Ron Evry: "Dan O'Neill knew what MM was all about twenty
years ago. THAT mouse had character!"
This is a reference to a series of underground comics, only 2
of which were published, titled _Air Pirates Funnies._ These
contained pornographic adventures of Mickey Mouse, Bucky Bug, and
"Dirty Duck" (a parody of George Herriman's "Gooseberry Sprigg"
character in _Krazy Kat_). I consider those comics a good parody of
society as symbolized by Disney, but I *DON'T* appreciate what they
did to Floyd Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse.
Disney sued Air Pirates Inc. for plagiarism -- I think that
they were justified, honestly. They settled for rights to the two
comics rather than an enormous fine.

Bror Hellman imitating a newbie
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referred to one "Daniel Atterbom" amid a list of Disney comic
writers/artists. Er... you mean Daniel Branca, right?
Then: "I found a D.U.C.K Don signature! Are there more?
I can't find it in Tailspin?" Maybe not ;-), but you're closer than
you ever dreamed, because Don wrote 2 episodes of Talespin for
Disney-TV in 1989.

Mark Mayerson caught my mistake
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Mark: "David, I don't think that Panchito was in Blame it on
the Samba. That's Donald, Jose Carioca and the Aracuan Bird."
Good call! I mixed them up! Remember the Aracuan Bird's
call... "Adapapapapapapapapapapapapapadiya!"
Anyone know if the Aracuan appeared in either Jose's or
Panchito's Sunday strips?

Jon Cato Lorentzen on LO$ 11
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"Scrooge's rage and his imperialistic actions in the jungle
are handled very well. Scrooge is almost unrecognisable as he
performs this evil deed, with his blackened face and furious eyebrows.
I can't see any reason why Disney would want to ban this."
Simple... merely because it is a DEPICTION OF the oppression
of natives in Africa, no matter whether the oppressor is shown as good
or evil. Besides, I'm sure DISNEY will say it is out of character for
Scrooge, although we know that's not true at that point in his life.
I already fear that Disney and Gladstone will come to
tremendous loggerheads on this one. Don, if Gladstone was denied
permission to print the story, would you, for example, do ANOTHER
chapter 11 just so Gladstone could print a LO$ that made sense? I
don't know how committed you are to what Gladstone does.

Mattias referred to
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"Paul Murry's daily Mickey Mouse strip" as it appeared in WDC&S.
Well, I know that Murry did some of the pencilling on "The House of
Mystery" which ran in WDC&S 72-74. He of course did a lot of work on
the long "gag" period from 1944-45. Unfortunately, I just don't have
enough of the issues from the 1940s period (about 35%) to tell you
which ones contain Murry's work. Worse, the gags (presented as
half-pagers) have all had dates removed, so the reader must go by the
mere inking style alone. It's tough, because Murry was trying very
hard to imitate FG at the time.

Harry on Patricia Pigg
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In my characters/peter-pig file, I wrote that "Percy and
Patricia Pigg are the only Mickey Mouse characters to be enjoying
married life."
Harry: "How about Captain and Mrs. Churchmouse?"
Er -- uh -- I meant to say that. ;-)
Now that I think about it, Mickey left Spooks in the jungle at
the end of "In Search of Jungle Treasure," so perhaps our pongid pal
found himself a better half since then, too.
Interesting update -- although Percy and Patricia are
definitively shown as married in several stories, Patricia's last name
is always spelt Pigg, while Percy's remains Pig. In the
characters/peter-pig file, I accidentally said that their last names
were BOTH Pigg -- maybe that can be fixed? Patricia kept her last
name when married.

Oink!

David Gerstein
<David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu>