>* Treasure of Marco Polo: Dialogue censored. One panel changed,
>Harry knows which one.
DANIEL: Can you find out what panel was changed and What the replacement
dialogue is? Thanks.
{ Bob Wright }
{ archimedes at delphi.com }
Author
Topic: 199507
(198 messages)
Bob Wright
Disney-comics digest #720.
Message 121 -
1995-07-16 at 05:45:40
Mark Mayerson
Barks Library again
Message 122 -
1995-07-16 at 16:41:19
I found the latest flyer from Bear Mountain Enterprises. They have
Volumes 1, 2, and 3 of the Carl Barks library, used but in good condition,
for U.S. $75 each or all three for U.S. $215.
They've also got a variety of Barks lithos, serigraphs, calendars,
wristwatches and other stuff.
Bear Mountain Enterprises
Box 616 Victoria VA
23974 USA
Phone (804) 696-2925
Fax (804) 696 1675
___________________________________________________________________
Mark Mayerson Catapult Productions
Internet: mayerson at sidefx.com Toronto, Ontario, Canada
(416) 504-9876
Volumes 1, 2, and 3 of the Carl Barks library, used but in good condition,
for U.S. $75 each or all three for U.S. $215.
They've also got a variety of Barks lithos, serigraphs, calendars,
wristwatches and other stuff.
Bear Mountain Enterprises
Box 616 Victoria VA
23974 USA
Phone (804) 696-2925
Fax (804) 696 1675
___________________________________________________________________
Mark Mayerson Catapult Productions
Internet: mayerson at sidefx.com Toronto, Ontario, Canada
(416) 504-9876
Mike Pohjola
Disney-comics digest #723.
Message 123 -
1995-07-16 at 19:58:13
MIKKO:
>Ahh, I really loved the story. As my local comic-book retailer said
Where did you buy the book? Good Fellows? What was the price?
PER:
I kinda liked the idea of having this little list here with some
fifty persons (is that even near?) reading it and even less writing to it.
That, in a way, gave me the idea that I'm someone special getting a chance
to discuss the thing I discuss here with Disney comics fans and makers
from all over the world. I mean, in Saturday's digest, there was even
opinions coming from Australia. Exactly from the other side of the world!
Now making this that open and subscribing Bullseye, it would make this, in
my humble opinion, a bit too public. Couldn't we simply send a FAQ or an
index there? And, there's a lot of stuff discussed here (including these
messages about whether to allow Bullseye or not) that people not personally
subscribing wouldn't give a dime for. Although I would hope fandom of Disney
comics to reach as many people as possible, my vote is a slight no. Maybe
I'm just being selfish, I don't know...
DON:
> The Finnish issues are billing "ODaDaD" as "fresh" Rosa art? They
>have no way of knowing I did that story 4 years ago.
No. I did though. And if I, a simple amateur, can know such thing,
then how come editors do not? And they should know they hardly ever get any
_fresh_ stuff from Denmark, anyway. I think I'll send the editor a letter
telling him this. What is your next story to be published by Egmont and how
old is that?
> I don't have a copy of a Euro printing of that tale where I sit now,
>so I'm not sure what I may have drawn wrong about Magica's chest.
I deleted that dirty joke (Was it that dirty? Was it meant to be a
joke?) about the shape of the lady ducks.. The treasure-chest is what I
meant! The big wooden box where she kept the candle.
I'm probably proving myself to be a total jerk and an idiot incompetent
even to understand something like that, but by "chest" I meant the big wooden
box where she kept her thing. There, I ridiculed myself, didn't I?
> Neither am I sure what you mean about the candle. I seem to recall
>that I had the candle burning down a set distance page by page, regardless
>of the amount of time that was supposed to be passing -- I was using the
>candle more as a visual gimmick than a real measurement of time passed. But
Oh, that explains it. I just thought it should be in the half way
when half of the time had passed. But in that way it wouldn't have looked
as nice as it did now.
> I always pictured $crooge, no matter how young, as having white
>hair. I see ALL male Ducks as having white hair.
Really? I always thought this was pretty strange, before I saw
your stories and got the impression that it was a mere coincidence and almost
all the other Ducks had their hair as yellow, brown or black. Most of the
female Ducks (not counting Daisy and Grandma) have colored hair, but there
are people like Gladstone, Fethry, the founder of Duckburg and the strong
log-cousin who are male and have colored hair. That's pretty nit-picking,
so I won't continue. But the coloring looked nicer anyway than if it would've
been white.
It has actually always bothered me that all the ducks looked so
similar. Without the clothing and the hair they would almost all look the
same. It is very nice to see the nice work you have done with especially
the eyes and the bills of the ducks. But most of the male McDucks look
exactly like Scrooge or Donald. Now when looking at the big family-tree,
is father of Grandma Duck related to Ludwig Von Drake?
> Are you asking me for advice on how to do a comic script? You'd be
>better off checking with someone who knows how to deal with lots of editors
>and has made a study of how professionals do this sort of thing. I'm not a
Well, I make study of how professionals do this sort of thing. YOU
for example are in my point of view (in most people's, I believe) a
professional. And I deeply thank you for the advice you gave me. And
engouragement. If they ever ask me how I got into making comics, I'm gonna
mention your name.
>mind... and you don't need to be able to draw to do that much.
D-oh! I have already made four versions of the same half-page
trying to make a big chase where a detective, a copper and a police-man
run after BB whom of one is dressed as a fransiscane monk, one is wearing
an armor and a one is fihting on a horse with a fat guy. In the back-ground
an alien is chased by reporters, trying to make that look as chaotic and
farcial as possible.
>You KNOW you can do better than that stuff, right? Go ahead then!
Thanks! If they ever publish my stories, I'll send you a copy!
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
>Ahh, I really loved the story. As my local comic-book retailer said
Where did you buy the book? Good Fellows? What was the price?
PER:
I kinda liked the idea of having this little list here with some
fifty persons (is that even near?) reading it and even less writing to it.
That, in a way, gave me the idea that I'm someone special getting a chance
to discuss the thing I discuss here with Disney comics fans and makers
from all over the world. I mean, in Saturday's digest, there was even
opinions coming from Australia. Exactly from the other side of the world!
Now making this that open and subscribing Bullseye, it would make this, in
my humble opinion, a bit too public. Couldn't we simply send a FAQ or an
index there? And, there's a lot of stuff discussed here (including these
messages about whether to allow Bullseye or not) that people not personally
subscribing wouldn't give a dime for. Although I would hope fandom of Disney
comics to reach as many people as possible, my vote is a slight no. Maybe
I'm just being selfish, I don't know...
DON:
> The Finnish issues are billing "ODaDaD" as "fresh" Rosa art? They
>have no way of knowing I did that story 4 years ago.
No. I did though. And if I, a simple amateur, can know such thing,
then how come editors do not? And they should know they hardly ever get any
_fresh_ stuff from Denmark, anyway. I think I'll send the editor a letter
telling him this. What is your next story to be published by Egmont and how
old is that?
> I don't have a copy of a Euro printing of that tale where I sit now,
>so I'm not sure what I may have drawn wrong about Magica's chest.
I deleted that dirty joke (Was it that dirty? Was it meant to be a
joke?) about the shape of the lady ducks.. The treasure-chest is what I
meant! The big wooden box where she kept the candle.
I'm probably proving myself to be a total jerk and an idiot incompetent
even to understand something like that, but by "chest" I meant the big wooden
box where she kept her thing. There, I ridiculed myself, didn't I?
> Neither am I sure what you mean about the candle. I seem to recall
>that I had the candle burning down a set distance page by page, regardless
>of the amount of time that was supposed to be passing -- I was using the
>candle more as a visual gimmick than a real measurement of time passed. But
Oh, that explains it. I just thought it should be in the half way
when half of the time had passed. But in that way it wouldn't have looked
as nice as it did now.
> I always pictured $crooge, no matter how young, as having white
>hair. I see ALL male Ducks as having white hair.
Really? I always thought this was pretty strange, before I saw
your stories and got the impression that it was a mere coincidence and almost
all the other Ducks had their hair as yellow, brown or black. Most of the
female Ducks (not counting Daisy and Grandma) have colored hair, but there
are people like Gladstone, Fethry, the founder of Duckburg and the strong
log-cousin who are male and have colored hair. That's pretty nit-picking,
so I won't continue. But the coloring looked nicer anyway than if it would've
been white.
It has actually always bothered me that all the ducks looked so
similar. Without the clothing and the hair they would almost all look the
same. It is very nice to see the nice work you have done with especially
the eyes and the bills of the ducks. But most of the male McDucks look
exactly like Scrooge or Donald. Now when looking at the big family-tree,
is father of Grandma Duck related to Ludwig Von Drake?
> Are you asking me for advice on how to do a comic script? You'd be
>better off checking with someone who knows how to deal with lots of editors
>and has made a study of how professionals do this sort of thing. I'm not a
Well, I make study of how professionals do this sort of thing. YOU
for example are in my point of view (in most people's, I believe) a
professional. And I deeply thank you for the advice you gave me. And
engouragement. If they ever ask me how I got into making comics, I'm gonna
mention your name.
>mind... and you don't need to be able to draw to do that much.
D-oh! I have already made four versions of the same half-page
trying to make a big chase where a detective, a copper and a police-man
run after BB whom of one is dressed as a fransiscane monk, one is wearing
an armor and a one is fihting on a horse with a fat guy. In the back-ground
an alien is chased by reporters, trying to make that look as chaotic and
farcial as possible.
>You KNOW you can do better than that stuff, right? Go ahead then!
Thanks! If they ever publish my stories, I'll send you a copy!
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Mike Pohjola
Disney-comics digest #724.
Message 124 -
1995-07-16 at 23:19:59
DAN:
>I'm pleased that you agree with me, but the example you're using
>doesn't make that clear. I don't know what reason the girl had to put
Hmm.. You're right, sorry. And the whole idea of giving such an
example instead of just a simple one was pretty bad. It's just that for
some reason I've been feeling like talking (writing) a lot lately. The
length of my own messages surprises me sometimes!
>Yeah, I agree that Barks gave them some kind of personality. But I
>think some recent (Danish) stories make them too "stereotypical" (is
>that the right word?). Now you have a hungry one, a smart one, etc. I
>don't think they're very "human" that way.
In my story they are still _the_ original Beagleboys, but in the
first panel one is eating, one is reading a newspaper and one is lifting
weights. They are in a kitchen of a small two room apartment. (in was
always pretty stupid to me that poor people as they are supposed to be
would live in an idyllic country-side villa) And they do things in a different
way, but that doesn't affect the story itself.
> I agree with the above , I'd rather see one good collective
>personality than three cliches . Three cliches might be good enough for
>Ducktales but not in any of the 'serious' disney comics . On the other
>hand , if you have three GOOD characters , then that's excellent !
Good point, thank you. I just thought somebody once stated here
that "Hungry", "Strong" and "Boss" were the 'canon' alignments. So I
used them. It's no big problem changing them though. So you think that
I still _could_ give them personalities if I just did it good. I had this
same problem when I thought about making a Mickey Mouse story. But it was
even worse with him, because he is the "Mister Average" of Disney universe.
He has a girl-friend and a good job. He had no 'bad' personal traits such
as temperament or lazyness or bad luck or jealousy or some others that make
Donald Duck so enjoyable as a character. He is simply the peaceful, but not
too peaceful, generally quite curious guy with some great stories written
for him. If Mickey was a really smart-aleck little person as he looks like,
then he and Goofy would make a great couple. What was I talking about? Oh
right, the Beagle personalities... I think I have something in mind. Thanks.
DON:
I just got my hands on an old issue of a Finnish Disney comics where
the family-tree made by Carl Barks for you was published. You made a change
to your family-tree! Gus Goose was originally Donald's cousin, NOT second
cousin! And Grandma Duck had two daughters in that version. Btw, has Barks
ever made any mentions about existance of Matilda McDuck? Did you create her?
If, then why?
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
>I'm pleased that you agree with me, but the example you're using
>doesn't make that clear. I don't know what reason the girl had to put
Hmm.. You're right, sorry. And the whole idea of giving such an
example instead of just a simple one was pretty bad. It's just that for
some reason I've been feeling like talking (writing) a lot lately. The
length of my own messages surprises me sometimes!
>Yeah, I agree that Barks gave them some kind of personality. But I
>think some recent (Danish) stories make them too "stereotypical" (is
>that the right word?). Now you have a hungry one, a smart one, etc. I
>don't think they're very "human" that way.
In my story they are still _the_ original Beagleboys, but in the
first panel one is eating, one is reading a newspaper and one is lifting
weights. They are in a kitchen of a small two room apartment. (in was
always pretty stupid to me that poor people as they are supposed to be
would live in an idyllic country-side villa) And they do things in a different
way, but that doesn't affect the story itself.
> I agree with the above , I'd rather see one good collective
>personality than three cliches . Three cliches might be good enough for
>Ducktales but not in any of the 'serious' disney comics . On the other
>hand , if you have three GOOD characters , then that's excellent !
Good point, thank you. I just thought somebody once stated here
that "Hungry", "Strong" and "Boss" were the 'canon' alignments. So I
used them. It's no big problem changing them though. So you think that
I still _could_ give them personalities if I just did it good. I had this
same problem when I thought about making a Mickey Mouse story. But it was
even worse with him, because he is the "Mister Average" of Disney universe.
He has a girl-friend and a good job. He had no 'bad' personal traits such
as temperament or lazyness or bad luck or jealousy or some others that make
Donald Duck so enjoyable as a character. He is simply the peaceful, but not
too peaceful, generally quite curious guy with some great stories written
for him. If Mickey was a really smart-aleck little person as he looks like,
then he and Goofy would make a great couple. What was I talking about? Oh
right, the Beagle personalities... I think I have something in mind. Thanks.
DON:
I just got my hands on an old issue of a Finnish Disney comics where
the family-tree made by Carl Barks for you was published. You made a change
to your family-tree! Gus Goose was originally Donald's cousin, NOT second
cousin! And Grandma Duck had two daughters in that version. Btw, has Barks
ever made any mentions about existance of Matilda McDuck? Did you create her?
If, then why?
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Mike Pohjola
Disney-comics digest #724.
Message 125 -
1995-07-16 at 23:44:26
I just can't stop writing...
DON:
I re-read some of this weeks digests and noticed what you said
about that cover of the Finnish hardcover book (could you tell me the
name of the book in order for me to more easily refer to it in the
future). Anyway, you said you had the Ducks find Kalevala, "Aku Ankka ja
kumppanit Vuosikerta 1953" and some other one. You should make sure it
also contains "Seitseman veljesta"" (seitsemaen veljestae) and "Ta"a"ll"
Pohjanta"hden alla" (taeaellae Pohjantaehden alla). There a" or ae is
A with two dots. I'm sure the editor would (will) agree with me.
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
DON:
I re-read some of this weeks digests and noticed what you said
about that cover of the Finnish hardcover book (could you tell me the
name of the book in order for me to more easily refer to it in the
future). Anyway, you said you had the Ducks find Kalevala, "Aku Ankka ja
kumppanit Vuosikerta 1953" and some other one. You should make sure it
also contains "Seitseman veljesta"" (seitsemaen veljestae) and "Ta"a"ll"
Pohjanta"hden alla" (taeaellae Pohjantaehden alla). There a" or ae is
A with two dots. I'm sure the editor would (will) agree with me.
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Larry Gerstein
Beakfuls of news!
Message 126 -
1995-07-17 at 00:57:16
First up, THIS IS NOT LARRY -- IT'S DAVID! As usual I'm using my
family E-Mail address over the summer, which is registered under my dad's
name, and now I see Dad listed as the "author" of my letters when they
appear in the Digest. I know why this is, but I guess Per can't change it.
There's no justice...
PER AND OTHERS:
THE SAN DIEGO CONVENTION PANEL
"Disney Comics: What's All The Quacking About?" will be on FRIDAY,
JULY 28, AT 4:30 PM. As a moderator, I want and need to be completely
neutral in the relationships between Disney licensees, so representatives
from Gladstone, Egmont, and Grandey's Carl Barks Studio (if he accepts my
invitation) will all be there. The roster as of now is Pat Block, John
Clark, Byron Erickson, John Lustig, Don Markstein, Pat McGreal, Dave
Rawson, and Don Rosa. Dwight Decker and Bill Grandey both have yet to
confirm. Pat and I will be showing around some of our upcoming stories, so
maybe other attendees reading this would like to bring theirs as well.
ALL further comments about my Convention panel should go to my
personal address, not to the list (I have my Dad bring home messages sent
to me, but I can't have him print out the often-lengthy Digests).
DON:
I had no idea that there was supposed to be a setting sun in your
cover to WALT DISNEY GIANT #1!! I thought the only special effect was
supposed to be the Northern Lights!! Well, in that case, the newsprint
cover really ruined things. I seem to be the sole person who thought that
even given that newsprint cover, it still looked good...
EVERYONE:
I'll gather up some of the recent comments about newsprint covers
and send them off to John at Gladstone soon. Remember, the future of these
covers relies on what sells, regardless of what we think. But I have a
hunch our thoughts can't be far from the thoughts of most readers...
BEAGLE BOYS' PERSONALITIES:
According to Egmont, the three leading BBs have personalities.
176-167 is the leader of the trio.
176-761 is the greedy one who likes prunes the most.
176-671 is the dumb one.
But I consider these personalities a little too cliched, so when I
use them, I also change them a little. 176-167, for me, is more
tough-minded than the others, a bit short-fused, and also conscious of his
image as the leader, so is particularly sore with himself when he blows a
plan. 761 is not only greedy, but a gourmet, believing strongly that
there's an art to eating well. 176-671 is not just dumb, but gullible;
he's also eccentric and devoted to his eccentricities. I remember a story
where the trio were disguised as artists ("Perilous Portrait," in one of
the older Gladstones) and 176-671 was determined to get his painting
finished, because he really wanted to LIVE his role. He has a funny kind
of pride.
But -- importantly -- these three Beagles STILL look identical to
each other! I don't like the way some creators, like Vic Lockman and (of
course) DuckTales' development team make them look different from one
another or give them nicknames. But then, this is just my own view.
In two of my upcoming stories, "Rolling in Dough" and "A Fouled-Up
Fairy Tale", you'll get to see my versions of the Beagle Boys.
FATTER WDC&S STARTING WITH #601
will be a 68-page album in comic-book size. If it doesn't sell
this way at $6, it will probably go to a normal 68-page comic at $4 before
they decide to go back to the current format. Gladstone REALLY wants to
make this comic the way readers want it, so in the new extra "half" of the
comic we'll be seeing -- besides the Rosa serial -- wolf and bug stories,
including the Li'l Wolf I translated from Dutch recently!
Rosa stories are being used there for economic reasons, because
they know it will help a more expensive WDC&S sell well. I can't argue
with that at all. Of course, only two Rosa stories can be presented
annually as WDC&S serials, so the rest of them will go into USA, US, and
DDA. And, to quote John, "I'll only use the Rosas in WDC&S that work well
in serial form -- for example, "The Universal Solvent" will be presented
elsewhere, in one part."
So that's settled. Looks like WDC&S is going to really be great
again. I'm basically counting the days until it comes out.
CENSORED BARKS STORIES (Attn. DANIEL)
In "A Cold Bargain," the Brutopian Consul's cheekbones were removed.
In "Treasure of Marco Polo," the art change was that when Prince
Char Ming attacks a rebel guard in one panel, he grabs him by the neck with
his hands in the CBL version, but chokes him with a wire in the original.
(Despite how different these acts sound, the change was accomplished very
neatly by simply obliterating the wire from the art.)
No one mentioned "Luck of the North," in which an Eskimo's dialogue
is changed in three panels to become slightly more grammatical (words have
been reordered in the sentence). This may not be the case in CBL set II,
but it is the case in CBLDD in Color album.
Stories censored in comics, but not in albums or CBL:
OS 29: "The Hard Loser" ("Queer" changed to "Weird")
OS 159: "Adventure Down Under" (dialogue and faces of natives altered)
OS 26x: "Land of the Totem Poles" (lots of dialogue altered)
US 29: "Island in the Sky" ("Apache" --> "Alien", "Mohawk" -->
"Savage", "American" --> "ancient", "Columbus" --> "Explorer", other Indian
references left as they were)
MOC 41: "Race to the South Seas" (The word "Massa" deleted)
WDC 159: "Wispy Willie" (title added to book)
WDC 17x: "The Olympic Hopeful" (extensive changes in WDC 575 version)
WDC 196: "Smoke Writer in the Sky" ("Chinaman" reference changed)
THAT'S NEWS
for now, gang. I'll be back hopefully before the San Diego Con,
gerstein at math.ucsb.edu
family E-Mail address over the summer, which is registered under my dad's
name, and now I see Dad listed as the "author" of my letters when they
appear in the Digest. I know why this is, but I guess Per can't change it.
There's no justice...
PER AND OTHERS:
THE SAN DIEGO CONVENTION PANEL
"Disney Comics: What's All The Quacking About?" will be on FRIDAY,
JULY 28, AT 4:30 PM. As a moderator, I want and need to be completely
neutral in the relationships between Disney licensees, so representatives
from Gladstone, Egmont, and Grandey's Carl Barks Studio (if he accepts my
invitation) will all be there. The roster as of now is Pat Block, John
Clark, Byron Erickson, John Lustig, Don Markstein, Pat McGreal, Dave
Rawson, and Don Rosa. Dwight Decker and Bill Grandey both have yet to
confirm. Pat and I will be showing around some of our upcoming stories, so
maybe other attendees reading this would like to bring theirs as well.
ALL further comments about my Convention panel should go to my
personal address, not to the list (I have my Dad bring home messages sent
to me, but I can't have him print out the often-lengthy Digests).
DON:
I had no idea that there was supposed to be a setting sun in your
cover to WALT DISNEY GIANT #1!! I thought the only special effect was
supposed to be the Northern Lights!! Well, in that case, the newsprint
cover really ruined things. I seem to be the sole person who thought that
even given that newsprint cover, it still looked good...
EVERYONE:
I'll gather up some of the recent comments about newsprint covers
and send them off to John at Gladstone soon. Remember, the future of these
covers relies on what sells, regardless of what we think. But I have a
hunch our thoughts can't be far from the thoughts of most readers...
BEAGLE BOYS' PERSONALITIES:
According to Egmont, the three leading BBs have personalities.
176-167 is the leader of the trio.
176-761 is the greedy one who likes prunes the most.
176-671 is the dumb one.
But I consider these personalities a little too cliched, so when I
use them, I also change them a little. 176-167, for me, is more
tough-minded than the others, a bit short-fused, and also conscious of his
image as the leader, so is particularly sore with himself when he blows a
plan. 761 is not only greedy, but a gourmet, believing strongly that
there's an art to eating well. 176-671 is not just dumb, but gullible;
he's also eccentric and devoted to his eccentricities. I remember a story
where the trio were disguised as artists ("Perilous Portrait," in one of
the older Gladstones) and 176-671 was determined to get his painting
finished, because he really wanted to LIVE his role. He has a funny kind
of pride.
But -- importantly -- these three Beagles STILL look identical to
each other! I don't like the way some creators, like Vic Lockman and (of
course) DuckTales' development team make them look different from one
another or give them nicknames. But then, this is just my own view.
In two of my upcoming stories, "Rolling in Dough" and "A Fouled-Up
Fairy Tale", you'll get to see my versions of the Beagle Boys.
FATTER WDC&S STARTING WITH #601
will be a 68-page album in comic-book size. If it doesn't sell
this way at $6, it will probably go to a normal 68-page comic at $4 before
they decide to go back to the current format. Gladstone REALLY wants to
make this comic the way readers want it, so in the new extra "half" of the
comic we'll be seeing -- besides the Rosa serial -- wolf and bug stories,
including the Li'l Wolf I translated from Dutch recently!
Rosa stories are being used there for economic reasons, because
they know it will help a more expensive WDC&S sell well. I can't argue
with that at all. Of course, only two Rosa stories can be presented
annually as WDC&S serials, so the rest of them will go into USA, US, and
DDA. And, to quote John, "I'll only use the Rosas in WDC&S that work well
in serial form -- for example, "The Universal Solvent" will be presented
elsewhere, in one part."
So that's settled. Looks like WDC&S is going to really be great
again. I'm basically counting the days until it comes out.
CENSORED BARKS STORIES (Attn. DANIEL)
In "A Cold Bargain," the Brutopian Consul's cheekbones were removed.
In "Treasure of Marco Polo," the art change was that when Prince
Char Ming attacks a rebel guard in one panel, he grabs him by the neck with
his hands in the CBL version, but chokes him with a wire in the original.
(Despite how different these acts sound, the change was accomplished very
neatly by simply obliterating the wire from the art.)
No one mentioned "Luck of the North," in which an Eskimo's dialogue
is changed in three panels to become slightly more grammatical (words have
been reordered in the sentence). This may not be the case in CBL set II,
but it is the case in CBLDD in Color album.
Stories censored in comics, but not in albums or CBL:
OS 29: "The Hard Loser" ("Queer" changed to "Weird")
OS 159: "Adventure Down Under" (dialogue and faces of natives altered)
OS 26x: "Land of the Totem Poles" (lots of dialogue altered)
US 29: "Island in the Sky" ("Apache" --> "Alien", "Mohawk" -->
"Savage", "American" --> "ancient", "Columbus" --> "Explorer", other Indian
references left as they were)
MOC 41: "Race to the South Seas" (The word "Massa" deleted)
WDC 159: "Wispy Willie" (title added to book)
WDC 17x: "The Olympic Hopeful" (extensive changes in WDC 575 version)
WDC 196: "Smoke Writer in the Sky" ("Chinaman" reference changed)
THAT'S NEWS
for now, gang. I'll be back hopefully before the San Diego Con,
gerstein at math.ucsb.edu
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Marco Polo / Mike
Message 127 -
1995-07-17 at 02:23:35
BOB:
>> Treasure of Marco Polo: Dialogue censored. One panel changed,
>> Harry knows which one.
> Can you find out what panel was changed and What the replacement
> dialogue is? Thanks.
David already told exactly in "Beakful of news" what art is changed.
It is the second panel of page 16.
I don't know about the original dialogue, but there's one reference
in an article in that same set of the CBL:
Part of the article:
Barks' primary emotion was indignation at the political chaos
that could burden a country with "sixty rulers in six months".
A note under the article:
This line is from the original dialoque of p. 591, panel 4, as
printed by Western Publishing in 1966 and 1976. In accordance
with the current wishes of The Walt Disney Company, some dialogue
in the present edition has been revised to eliminate references to
rebellion and civil war.
We're talking about a line of the fourth panel of page 23. This note
seems to be the only reference to censoring in the CBL.
Reading "Marco Polo" makes me ask how that story even got published
back in 1966 and 1976. This story is like watching news about war on
televsion... how did this story got past Western's desk?
MIKE:
> It's just that for some reason I've been feeling like talking
> (writing) a lot lately. The length of my own messages surprises me
> sometimes!
Well, I really like your long writings. BTW. Is your Beagle Boys
story longer than 4 pages? Does Egmont also publish longer stories of
them? The Beagle Boys stories from Egmont published here in Holland
are (almost?) always 4-page stories. Will Uncle Scrooge also be in
your story?
--- Daniel
>> Treasure of Marco Polo: Dialogue censored. One panel changed,
>> Harry knows which one.
> Can you find out what panel was changed and What the replacement
> dialogue is? Thanks.
David already told exactly in "Beakful of news" what art is changed.
It is the second panel of page 16.
I don't know about the original dialogue, but there's one reference
in an article in that same set of the CBL:
Part of the article:
Barks' primary emotion was indignation at the political chaos
that could burden a country with "sixty rulers in six months".
A note under the article:
This line is from the original dialoque of p. 591, panel 4, as
printed by Western Publishing in 1966 and 1976. In accordance
with the current wishes of The Walt Disney Company, some dialogue
in the present edition has been revised to eliminate references to
rebellion and civil war.
We're talking about a line of the fourth panel of page 23. This note
seems to be the only reference to censoring in the CBL.
Reading "Marco Polo" makes me ask how that story even got published
back in 1966 and 1976. This story is like watching news about war on
televsion... how did this story got past Western's desk?
MIKE:
> It's just that for some reason I've been feeling like talking
> (writing) a lot lately. The length of my own messages surprises me
> sometimes!
Well, I really like your long writings. BTW. Is your Beagle Boys
story longer than 4 pages? Does Egmont also publish longer stories of
them? The Beagle Boys stories from Egmont published here in Holland
are (almost?) always 4-page stories. Will Uncle Scrooge also be in
your story?
--- Daniel
Larry Gerstein
Disney-comics digest #725.
Message 128 -
1995-07-17 at 04:27:50
MIKE:
[Mickey Mouse] "is the "Mister Average" of Disney universe . . . he
had no 'bad' personal traits such as temperament or lazyness or bad luck .
. ."
Eh? In my stories, Mickey holds no steady job (such as one at Zoom
Transport), and Minnie is frequently after him to get one -- only his love
of excitement makes most jobs seem boring to him. Mickey is jealous when
Montmorency Rodent starts dropping names and trying to outdo him at things.
Mickey's love of excitement tends to overwhelm his common sense, so while
he's smart, that doesn't prevent him taking silly risks (as Minnie's only
too glad to point out). And Mickey's consistently a smart-aleck, although
that doesn't extend to being constantly sarcastic or anything.
No need to work with the Mickey of the 1950s, Mike! You can have a
high time writing Mickey ten-pagers with the colorful Mickey of 1941. (You
can read my article "Why Real Mice Aren't Perfect" on the WWW-page for more
of my jabber about my favorite rodent. I will note that Egmont has not
actually published the article yet, thus officially endorsing it -- but
they have taken six stories from me so far in which Mickey acts this way.)
What's more, any writer who so wishes can request MM to be drawn in his old
red shorts now, too! (I do!)
Best,
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
"Have a chestnut, boys! . . . OW!"
gerstein at math.ucsb.edu
[Mickey Mouse] "is the "Mister Average" of Disney universe . . . he
had no 'bad' personal traits such as temperament or lazyness or bad luck .
. ."
Eh? In my stories, Mickey holds no steady job (such as one at Zoom
Transport), and Minnie is frequently after him to get one -- only his love
of excitement makes most jobs seem boring to him. Mickey is jealous when
Montmorency Rodent starts dropping names and trying to outdo him at things.
Mickey's love of excitement tends to overwhelm his common sense, so while
he's smart, that doesn't prevent him taking silly risks (as Minnie's only
too glad to point out). And Mickey's consistently a smart-aleck, although
that doesn't extend to being constantly sarcastic or anything.
No need to work with the Mickey of the 1950s, Mike! You can have a
high time writing Mickey ten-pagers with the colorful Mickey of 1941. (You
can read my article "Why Real Mice Aren't Perfect" on the WWW-page for more
of my jabber about my favorite rodent. I will note that Egmont has not
actually published the article yet, thus officially endorsing it -- but
they have taken six stories from me so far in which Mickey acts this way.)
What's more, any writer who so wishes can request MM to be drawn in his old
red shorts now, too! (I do!)
Best,
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
"Have a chestnut, boys! . . . OW!"
gerstein at math.ucsb.edu
Dan Shane
Don Rosa offline
Message 129 -
1995-07-17 at 04:55:00
I just wanted to let everyone know that Don is offline for a few days while
we try to get his modem functioning again.
we try to get his modem functioning again.
Sharon L Branvold
Disney Giant
Message 130 -
1995-07-17 at 05:42:54
Hello,
First introductions, I am a comic dealer from North Dakota.
I have been reading and collecting Disney and particularly Ducks for over
30 years. I started collecting with U.Scrooge, and haven't stopped.
I have read everything From the CBL, the censored stuff, the Xeroxed
copies of giveaways, and the new changed stories. I really enjoyed the
Don Rosa work from the beginning, and have also enjoyed Pat Block's
limited work. I have met Barks, Rosa, and Block; all very nice people.
Re: The Disney Giant; the story was great, the cover stood out from all
the others on my comic racks. People picked it up because it looked
different! I picked it up to READ, not gaze all day at the cover!
If Gladstone prints Rosa's work on any material, I will buy it and be
glad they are doing so. The alternative is (shudder) no one printing
Disney's!
Bark's recent attempt (I use the term loosely) at doing a U.Scrooge story
tells me he either ran out of ideas, or William Shakespeare ghosted all
his other stories! He was definitely the KING at one time, no more.
Let's hope Don Rosa and Pat Block continue to produce the fine work they
have done so far.
If anyone is looking for back-issues, e-mail me and I'll see what I can do.
See You in San Diego!-----Barry------
First introductions, I am a comic dealer from North Dakota.
I have been reading and collecting Disney and particularly Ducks for over
30 years. I started collecting with U.Scrooge, and haven't stopped.
I have read everything From the CBL, the censored stuff, the Xeroxed
copies of giveaways, and the new changed stories. I really enjoyed the
Don Rosa work from the beginning, and have also enjoyed Pat Block's
limited work. I have met Barks, Rosa, and Block; all very nice people.
Re: The Disney Giant; the story was great, the cover stood out from all
the others on my comic racks. People picked it up because it looked
different! I picked it up to READ, not gaze all day at the cover!
If Gladstone prints Rosa's work on any material, I will buy it and be
glad they are doing so. The alternative is (shudder) no one printing
Disney's!
Bark's recent attempt (I use the term loosely) at doing a U.Scrooge story
tells me he either ran out of ideas, or William Shakespeare ghosted all
his other stories! He was definitely the KING at one time, no more.
Let's hope Don Rosa and Pat Block continue to produce the fine work they
have done so far.
If anyone is looking for back-issues, e-mail me and I'll see what I can do.
See You in San Diego!-----Barry------
Martin Lampen
$crooge Figures
Message 131 -
1995-07-17 at 13:00:43
WES:
Bully of (I think) Germany) do a range of $crooge figures, although for
some reason they are reluctant to give him his glasses. Last week I
bought a $crooge keyring (a small Bully figure on a chain) at my local
post office for 1.50 (British pounds); it was the last one, but if they get
any more in, I'll put one in the post for you. Also, I was in the Disney
shop in London two weeks ago and I asked them if they had any
Uncle $crooge merchandise - the girl gave me a funny look and told
me that "$crooge isn't a Disney character." I sighed, shrugged and
left.
Martin
Bully of (I think) Germany) do a range of $crooge figures, although for
some reason they are reluctant to give him his glasses. Last week I
bought a $crooge keyring (a small Bully figure on a chain) at my local
post office for 1.50 (British pounds); it was the last one, but if they get
any more in, I'll put one in the post for you. Also, I was in the Disney
shop in London two weeks ago and I asked them if they had any
Uncle $crooge merchandise - the girl gave me a funny look and told
me that "$crooge isn't a Disney character." I sighed, shrugged and
left.
Martin
Andrew Krieg 5-5379
Walt Disney Giant
Message 132 -
1995-07-17 at 16:54:36
Is Walt Disney Giant the new name for Uncle Walt's Collectory?
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Knut Hunstad
Architext wants to archive this mailing list
Message 133 -
1995-07-17 at 17:38:44
Hi,
I would also prefer not to have the list included in Architext's archive.
But can we really stop it? If someone wants to, I don't think it would be
illegal to copy all the articles and publish them somewhere. Aren't they
already defined as published as soon as we send them to the list? Or are
they private since the list access is controlled by Per?
I guess you have 3 options, Per:
1. Let them add us to their archives. In case you do that, you should inform
the list, of course. My guess is it will take away some of the personal tone
in this forum.
2. Don't let them add us to their archives (ie. refuse to subscribe
Architext). That way we can still _hope_ (if that's what we want) noone
will publish the messages anywhere.
3. Call for a vote of all the list members. You can have mine right away: NO.
BTW, the Norwegian National Library already archives _all_ news groups
available in Norway, for future research purposes! This is not quite the
same, though, since most news groups _are_ public information (anyone can
read them), without doubt and since the archives are not available to anyone
(I think).
Knut Hunstad
SINTEF Highway Engineering
Trondheim, Norway
"Don't torture yourself, darling! That's _my_ job!"
I would also prefer not to have the list included in Architext's archive.
But can we really stop it? If someone wants to, I don't think it would be
illegal to copy all the articles and publish them somewhere. Aren't they
already defined as published as soon as we send them to the list? Or are
they private since the list access is controlled by Per?
I guess you have 3 options, Per:
1. Let them add us to their archives. In case you do that, you should inform
the list, of course. My guess is it will take away some of the personal tone
in this forum.
2. Don't let them add us to their archives (ie. refuse to subscribe
Architext). That way we can still _hope_ (if that's what we want) noone
will publish the messages anywhere.
3. Call for a vote of all the list members. You can have mine right away: NO.
BTW, the Norwegian National Library already archives _all_ news groups
available in Norway, for future research purposes! This is not quite the
same, though, since most news groups _are_ public information (anyone can
read them), without doubt and since the archives are not available to anyone
(I think).
Knut Hunstad
SINTEF Highway Engineering
Trondheim, Norway
"Don't torture yourself, darling! That's _my_ job!"
Lucky Charms
Your mail
Message 134 -
1995-07-17 at 21:02:23
I personally liked the movie "Pocahontas." However I do not agree with
the movie's religious beliefs. I have my own beliefs. However, thank you
for letting me know if it bothered you. I do not like offending people.
Thanks.
xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxooxoxoxoxoxoxoxx
California State University, Hayward
ACCOUNTING
ccardoza at s1.csuhayward.edu Colette Cardoza
SMOOCHES SMOOCHES
xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox
the movie's religious beliefs. I have my own beliefs. However, thank you
for letting me know if it bothered you. I do not like offending people.
Thanks.
xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxooxoxoxoxoxoxoxx
California State University, Hayward
ACCOUNTING
ccardoza at s1.csuhayward.edu Colette Cardoza
SMOOCHES SMOOCHES
xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox
Mike Pohjola
Disney-comics digest #725.
Message 135 -
1995-07-18 at 00:13:03
LARRY:
> First up, THIS IS NOT LARRY -- IT'S DAVID! As usual I'm using my
hehee... DAVID:
> According to Egmont, the three leading BBs have personalities.
Thank you for the information you gave me. Are the personalities used
by you also used by some others (as in 'Perilous Portrait')? I, at least, would
like to use them, because it is often quite irritating when there are many
different personalities for one character and they are all used by one artist
only.
> 176-167 is the leader of the trio.
Is that really his only 'canon' personality? Not the smart one? Not
the angry one? Not the unquestionable authority and the spiritual leader of
the Beagle Boys?
> 176-761 is the greedy one who likes prunes the most.
The other ones like the prunes too, then? Doesn't he ever get fat by
eating them? Is he greedy towards food only? When he is hungry, and he sees
a shop selling bananas ten feet away and a shop selling prunes a thousand
feet away, which one would he steal from?
> 176-671 is the dumb one.
Not the strong one as well? But the "devoted to his eccentricities"
stuff sounds like you could make a lot of fun with it.
>But -- importantly -- these three Beagles STILL look identical to each other!
So I couldn't e.g. make 167 (the boss) have glasses on when he's
reading or somebody shaving just before the action starts etc.?
> In two of my upcoming stories, "Rolling in Dough" and "A Fouled-Up
>Fairy Tale", you'll get to see my versions of the Beagle Boys.
Will they be out from Egmont? And if, then when?
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
> First up, THIS IS NOT LARRY -- IT'S DAVID! As usual I'm using my
hehee... DAVID:
> According to Egmont, the three leading BBs have personalities.
Thank you for the information you gave me. Are the personalities used
by you also used by some others (as in 'Perilous Portrait')? I, at least, would
like to use them, because it is often quite irritating when there are many
different personalities for one character and they are all used by one artist
only.
> 176-167 is the leader of the trio.
Is that really his only 'canon' personality? Not the smart one? Not
the angry one? Not the unquestionable authority and the spiritual leader of
the Beagle Boys?
> 176-761 is the greedy one who likes prunes the most.
The other ones like the prunes too, then? Doesn't he ever get fat by
eating them? Is he greedy towards food only? When he is hungry, and he sees
a shop selling bananas ten feet away and a shop selling prunes a thousand
feet away, which one would he steal from?
> 176-671 is the dumb one.
Not the strong one as well? But the "devoted to his eccentricities"
stuff sounds like you could make a lot of fun with it.
>But -- importantly -- these three Beagles STILL look identical to each other!
So I couldn't e.g. make 167 (the boss) have glasses on when he's
reading or somebody shaving just before the action starts etc.?
> In two of my upcoming stories, "Rolling in Dough" and "A Fouled-Up
>Fairy Tale", you'll get to see my versions of the Beagle Boys.
Will they be out from Egmont? And if, then when?
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie