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DANIEL 2:
>Of course I can send you xeroxes of Marco Polo (of the CBL), but
>please don't wait for it. I already promised Jakob Soderbaum and
>Danny Coenen some xeroxes/comics, but I still haven't got the time.

Yeah, and that would probably be too much trouble for you. Is the
year-old Hollandise (sp?) issue still out? In some second-hand shops perhaps?

>Do you have all Barks other Disney-stories? Jakob said that the CBL
>is being reprinted, maybe that sounds interesting to you? It might be
>very expensive, but to me it was worth every cent.

No, I don't have all the other Barks stories. And yes, the reprinting
of CBL does sound _very_ interesting to me, but the problem is that I do not
have that many cents :) I don't know if a person can become rich by making
comics, but I intend to try by currently writing a long BB adventure, which
I hope will give me some money if I'll ever get it to the Geillusteerde Pres
(somebody said they're looking for scripts to non-disney stories). Does
anybody know about the probability of them liking my work? The story which
with I'm working right now is kinda big farce with everybody chasing each
other. I'm writing it in English, because my Flamish is poor. Non-excistent
in fact.

>What could have been more logical for the story itself is that the
>albatross could indeed have carried along only a microphone, thus
>skipping the whole button-parts.

Yup. But then Barks couldn't have made that many pages with Beagleboys
who were in a major role in the story. Or should've been.

>Well, I think it's a nice illustration for the theme of the story.
>The "horse stuff" was something that *didn't* bother me.

I just thought it was like enhancing this story with some niceties
from old Scrooge adventures.

>Yeah, I also thought of that! You're right. But the whole Troje-thing
>is also a very unique way to re-use it, so this didn't bother me too
>much.

True. It was more like the BB were using the lion as a "Trojan horse"
so to say.

> Is there an old Barks story in which the Beagle Boys are fond of prunes?
> (Sorry, but I can't remember it now.) It sounds very familiar to me.

More than one, I'm sure, but the first one was the one with big
human-like robots terrorizing Duckburg.

>Is that so? I didn't notice the ship having those not used abilities
>while reading the story. If that's right, this is another fact that
>should have ommitted from the story.

While HDL were in the tailor's, Scrooge introduced those abilities
to Donald.

>Barks made it himself too easy in constructing the basic story-line,
>while making it himself too hard by filling in all those odd details.

Right. Nothing (except treasure-finding) really happened before the
final page where the BB re-appeared.

--

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie

Can anyone shed some light on the re-inking of the Carl Barks Library
versions of "Darkest Africa" and "Race to the South Seas". According
to the credits in LICD 14, both stories were recreated by "Daan Jippes
and a team of other Dutch artists". However, it seems to me that
"Race to the South Seas" is a somewhat better recreation --- in quite
a few of the panels in "Darkest Africa" Donald does not quite look
like a Barks Donald.

Does anyone know the history of the recreations?

Thanks.

Greg Kay.

Greg Kay:

You asked about why there's such a difference in quality between the
re-inking of the two stories in one of the Barks color albums. I've been told
Daan Jippes did all of one of those two stories--"Race to the South Seas" I
assume--and started the other. For some reason Jippes wasn't able to complete
the other story and it had to be turned over to one or more artists.

Jippes is a wonderful artist in his own right. In addition, when it comes to
creating something in a Barksian style, Jippes is probably the best there is.
Still, having to redraw something in someone else's style--and do an exact
recreation of an original--has got to be a laborious process. In any event,
I've heard that the reason Yippes bailed out on the second story is that the
project was starting to wear him out. If that's true then I can't say I blame
him.

--John Lustig

DAVID:
> a Vic Lockman 17-page story, "Beagle Bug-Off" [involves Gyro's]
> "thinking cap" (a huge hat that looks like a chimney, with
> sleepy crows inside it who need to be awake for the hat to work).

I remember that thinking cap from a few stories from the Gold Key (or
Whitman) period. They must have been by Lockman as well.
BTW: I can't believe Gladstone is filling *17* pages with Lockman stuff
while there are so many good stories waiting to be (re)printed...

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DANIEL (about the "Treasure of Marco Polo"):
> Well, I have the CBL-version here. There is some censoring in the
> dialogue, but that's all.

There is also one panel where a killing device is removed (David showed me
this). You have the German version: compare them!

----
MIKE AND DANIEL ("Horsing around")
> Mike: And what the hell did they need to change that button to a
> Mike: microphone if the albatross had a one too?

The button contained the microphone and a short-range transmitter.
The albatross contained a receiver and a recorder. If the microphone
would have been in the albatross, the quality of the reception would
have been too poor. If the transmitter would have sent the messages
to a receiver miles away (so no need of an albatross), the rest of
the world could have listened too, and some other criminals could have
made their own plans and spoil the BB's plans.

Of course, Barks suggests in his story that the albatross is listening
to the conversations. But he could have had just the command to stay in
the neighborhood (to receive the messages from the button). That's what
I think should have been explained in the story.

> [HDL in the tailor's shop]
> Yeah, this part bothered me a lot! Why didn't Barks just skip this
> whole part?

He needed the prune part to "prepare" the ending of the story.

> Is there an old Barks story in which the Beagle Boys are
> fond of prunes?

I think the "Giant Robber" story (which Mike also mentioned) is the
_only_ Barks story where one BB likes prunes. But there are also some Rosa
stories referring to that, of course...

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DANIEL (about Disney stories set in Egypt):
> I don't know if this story is mentioned already, but you also have a
> (long) Dutch Verhagen-story taking place in Egypt.

I didn't mention this one because it hasn't been published in the USA yet.
Dwight Decker translated and scripted it. I think it is to be published
somewhere in 1996. Dutch title: "DD en de tempelschatten van Gaos".

--Harry.

GREG and JOHN:

A while ago, we discussed on this list all the Barks stories that were not the
original, because they were censored or (partly) redrawn. It is quite a long
list, actually. I once asked Daniel van Eijmeren to make a file of this
list, that can serve as a FAQ, but he didn't get to it (yet?).
(Well, Daniel? 8-)

"Race to the South Seas" was entirely redrawn by Jippes. A few pages
(probably 1-5 and 10) of "Darkest Africa" were done by Jippes, the rest
was redrawn by Dutchman Dick Vlottes. Vlottes never drew any ducks before
or after that, fortunately.

Also, most of the panels of "Atom Bomb" are in fact redrawings by Jippes.
Jippes redrew other giveaway stories, but better proofs of those were found
later. The only other important re-inked story in the CBLibrary is "Santa's
Stormy Visit", done by someone at Egmont.

John Lustig said:
> I've heard that the reason Yippes bailed out on the second story is that the
> project was starting to wear him out. If that's true then I can't say I blame
> him.

Also, Jippes moved to the States at that time, to work for Disney animation.
He may have started the re-inking in about 1978. The story was first published
in Holland in 1982.

BTW, John: what happened to your "DucksEtc." mailbox? I liked that name...

--Harry.

|^^^^^^^^^^
| Now for _Tio Patinhas_ #359, June '95: does somebody know these
| stories?
|
| "Sistema de defesa computadorizado" (I 1867): Donald makes out an
| "infallible" defense system for the money bin. Good old
| traditional Italian style shows DD in an unusual hi-tech genius
| role (he even beats Gyro in this story!). The computer design must
| improve, I guess.
^^^^^^^^^^
I think I recognize this. It has been in the Jumboboger. DD keeps the
password to himself, BB guesses it and get into the moneybin, DD remembers
that he has to change the password, and BB get caught inside the bin. Right?

I like that story.

I didn't recognize any of the other stories.

Greetings,
Jacob
--
A Faroese student - at home.
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"We need a plan to diverge from", Fesser

> DANIEL (about Disney stories set in Egypt):
> > I don't know if this story is mentioned already, but you also have a
> > (long) Dutch Verhagen-story taking place in Egypt.
>
> I didn't mention this one because it hasn't been published in the USA yet.
> Dwight Decker translated and scripted it. I think it is to be published
> somewhere in 1996. Dutch title: "DD en de tempelschatten van Gaos".
>
> --Harry.

Actually, that story is on the schedule for September 1995 in the next
issue of Uncle Scrooge Adventures (I forget the number). Gladstone's title
is "The Treasure Temple of Khaos." That's the one where I renamed an
Egyptian camel driver to "Kheno ben Rhosa," which is thoroughly bogus
mock-Egyptian but I've already mentioned it to the target of the in-joke
and he was amused. I'm waiting with bated breath to see if Gladstone left
it in.

--Dwight Decker

Hi all!

For those who are interested, here's my list of changes in the Carl
Barks Library. Additions are very welcome, although not very much fun
to hear... :-(

* Land beneath the ground: Changes due to restoration in
CBL. Original panel without added caption is printed
apart from the story.

For those who don't know: A lot of pages were cut before the
was printed for the first time. The CBL succeeded in getting some
of them back, but they had to add a caption to a panel to fill in
the "new" art.

* Island in the Sky: Censored dialogue? The original dialogue
about Columbus is not changed. (David mentioned something about
this loooong ago.)

* How green was my lettuce: Silhouette of Scrooge is
*deleted*. Balloons are added, changed and deleted to fill
in the original art. The "original" pasted art is also shown
in CBL. I think the CBL did the restoration very good.

For those who don't know: Before first publication, two pages
were cut from the story. The CBL got 1 3/4 of the art back, but
they had to change some art of the printed "original" version to
fill it in again.

* Santa's Stormy Visit: Redrawn.

* Donald Tells About Kites: At least some art restored or redrawn.

* Too Many Pets: Restored, you can see the thick black lines.

* <steamboat-race> (USGTD 1): Logo "Uncle Scrooge" added
on first page in CBL.

* A Cold Bargain: CBL has changed heads of Brutopians? I
heard there was something censored.

* Peaceful hills: Original art in CBL?

* Balloonatics (WDC): In CBL page 7 is the only one to be
restored, or are there more?

* Treasure of Marco Polo: Dialogue censored. One panel changed,
Harry knows which one.

* The Golden River: Page deleted by Barks is added in the
story in CBL, the panel he draw to replace the page is
shown somewhere else. No art itself is changed.

* Trick or Treat: In page one a caption is shortened due
to restoration of the original art. (A lot of pages were cut
before the first publication).

* <lost dollar-bill> (WDC 63): The "rings" shown above the
heads of the ducks (last panel) are deleted in CBL. They
were added by the editor before first publication. Did
the CBL have an evidence for that?

* Captain Blights Mystery Ship: Uncensored in CBL?

* Medaling Around (WDC): Splash-panel is bigger in height.

* Voodoo Hoodoo: Faces of natives changed. Zombie's nose is
changed and his ring is gone. It's possible that the dialogue
referring to the ring (quiz-master) is changed. (In the Dutch
version something about the ring is said.)

* Bongo on the Congo: Panels 7.7, 8.1, 8.2 and 8.3 are censored.
Hair of natives is changed and/or removed. The bones through
their "noses" are gone.

* Darkest Africa: Redrawn. Natives changed, a panel removed.

* Atom Bomb: Last panel is censored, bottles instead of a cash and
combs instead of money. The art is redrawn, but it's pasted in
the original lay-out of the story.

* DD and the Boys (WH 845): Restored, see those thick lines.

* Race to the South seas: Redrawn. You can see the Dutch name
"Kwaak" on the boat in one panel.

This is my list of changes I've noticed, either by myself or by
comments of someone. I don't know if it's complete. Maybe we can make
a definitive list together?

I still wonder why "Darkest Africa", "Race to the South Seas" and
"Donald Duck's Atom Bomb" use the original balloons, but not the
original art. The balloons don't look that bad. But it is clear that
the CBL preferred clear lines above original vague lines. :-(

Greetings,

--- Daniel