Greetings, folks!
After having returned from a three-week vacation in the US, I have
finally had time to read through all the digests. Not a lot for me
to comment on, but here are a few remarks anyway:
Mon, 26 June, Colette wrote:
> Perhaps there might be a strip for Pocahontas.
The current issue of Disney Adventures when I was over there
contained a Pocahontas comic. I dont know how often DA comes out,
but I suppose there's a risk it has been replaced by now. For those
who dont know about DA, its not really a comic book, but contains
some comics along with articles and other stuff. It can usually be
bought in just about any supermarket (at least in my experience).
I also have a very vague memory of seeing the first issue of a
Pocahontas comic book from Marvel, but my interest in the Marvel
Disneys does not go beyond mild curiosity, so I didn't buy it and
my memory is usually not to be trusted anyway. Does anyone know
anything about this title, or even if it exists?
I saw Pocahontas, by the way, and thought it pretty good. Without
the poor script of Lion King and most of the tacky romantic cliches
of Beauty and the Beast, but unfortunately also lacking most of the
speed and timing of Aladdin, it still has several scenes that will
without doubt become classic.
Mon, 3 Jul, Harry wrote, in reply to Paulo:
> > "Bingomania" (D 92172): Donald chases a big-prize lottery ticket.
>
> "Lot of happiness". Written and drawn by William Van Horn. 10 pages.
The title in your database, Harry, is my old re-translation from
Swedish. Since, I have been informed that the original is called
The Cluck of the Draw, although I have yet not had time to include
that (and a lot of other information) in my Van Horn index.
The story, although not one of Van Horn's best, is well worth
reading.
Fri, 7 Jul, Wilmer wrote:
> Also, there was some interesting discussion on this list a while back
> about a Disney comic book that is PUBLISHED in Egypt, and how strange
> it seems to those of us who are accustomed to the European and American
> stories, but I suppose that's another topic altogether.
Most of that discussion originated from me, I believe. I would just
like to make it clear that I never said that those comic books (for
there were several titles) were published in Egypt; only that they
were sold there. Since it is in Arabian, I suppose it could
theoretically originate from any of the Arab countries. It is worth
pointing out, however, that on my only other visit to an Arab
country (Tunisia) I did not find any Disney comics, and I suppose
Egypt is the most probable country of origin.
I seem to remember that most of those stories were either D- or S-
coded and horribly poorly re-formatted, re-inked and re-coloured to
be read right-to-left. Also, as we discussed last time, most hats
(including Scrooge's) had been removed, probably so that the
characters should run no risk of looking Jewish.
Disney characters generally seem very popular in Egypt and I
remember the first thing that met my eye when I got off the plane
when coming there was a sign with Donald Duck saying the cost of
renting a baggage cart.
Fri, 14 Jul, Per quoted:
> Subject: Architext would like to archive your mailing list
Other people who have replied to this have done so in the negative.
However, I would like to advise you to consider both what we may
gain and lose from this.
There has been talk about risk of increased public exposure. The
risk that noone will dare saying anything controversial anymore.
But please remember that our archives already are perfectly public.
Does anyone think that we should remove the archives? Or make them
available to list members only? The latter, although theoretically
possible, would be very difficult and in any event, Per does not
(and cannot) have any control whatsoever of who joins our group.
On the other hand, we may actually gain something. I dont know how
this Bullseye search engine will be constructed, but I suppose that
it will make it easier for us, too, to search for information in
our own archives. Per mentioned a possibility of searching our
archives in some distant future. Now we may have it tomorrow. This,
in my opinion, would be worth some small sacrifice. Add to this the
fact that Per, as list administrator, will abviously get some
personal benefits from Architext, something which I, at least,
would be more than glad to give him after all the work he has put
into this list.
Thus, in my opinion, we have more to gain than to lose from
accepting the Architext proposal. But there is yet one thing to
consider: Why would Architext do this for us?
Keep in mind that they are a commercial corporation. Their goal is
to make money. So far as I understand, they do this by offering a
limited service to everyone and an extended service (supposedly the
profiling mentioned in their message) to those who are willing to
pay. They will naturally want to have as many mailing lists as
possible archived in order to make their offer interesting. Now, do
we want to help them making money (by being able to claim that they
have n+1 mailing lists archived)? I say no, and for this reason
alone I vote for not letting them have our list.
/F
Author
Topic: 199507
(198 messages)
Fredrik Ekman
Pocahontas, Van Horn, Egypt and Architext
Message 181 -
1995-07-27 at 20:42:49
Knut Hunstad
Architext
Message 182 -
1995-07-28 at 12:19:52
>There has been talk about risk of increased public exposure. The
>risk that noone will dare saying anything controversial anymore.
>But please remember that our archives already are perfectly public.
That's exactly what I think we should keep in mind, especially when it comes
to discussing personal matters of people not present on the list, leaving a
unilateral view archived forever...
>Does anyone think that we should remove the archives?
No!
>Or make them
>available to list members only? The latter, although theoretically
>possible, would be very difficult and in any event, Per does not
>(and cannot) have any control whatsoever of who joins our group.
As you say, not a very realistic idea! But I think there is a great
difference from having an archive that will be found by especially
interested people and having one that's sent around to the whole word, where
they will see our messages simply because they made a search for "egypt",
"mariner" or "weasel". Also I'm afraid that you after such a search will end
up with that one message only, leaving you with a small fraction of an
ongoing discussion and thereby missing the context. If you access the
existing archives, you will more probably look through several messages from
the same time and get a more "full" understanding of the subject.
>Now, do
>we want to help them making money (by being able to claim that they
>have n+1 mailing lists archived)? I say no, and for this reason
>alone I vote for not letting them have our list.
Now that was a strange thought to me! If someone can make money by doing
something that only gains me, I don't really mind about that! But who cares
about the reason, the important thing is we agree on the answer!
So Per, have you decided yet? You are the only one who can decide this, you
know, and I don't really think anyone would blame you for saying yes! Maybe
some people will stop contributing (I won't stop!), maybe in another tone,
maybe it's no difference? But I _would_ like to know what you answer them!
Anyone really _wants_ to let them archive us?
P.S.: For those who know what I mean, I guess you can envy me: I'm going to
Sweden for a concert with Leningrad Cowboys tomorrow!
P.S.2: Just to have something more directly Disney-comics-related: The last
extra for Norwegian DD&Co. includes an old classic "U$'s money". He changes
all his money to bills and stores them in an old water tank. The strange
thing is that the BB don't have the usual numbering with only 1s, 7s and 6s.
There is 176-045 and even one 167-666! But I guess you all knew that and I'm
just showing who little _I_ know :-)
Have a nice weekend!
Knut Hunstad
>risk that noone will dare saying anything controversial anymore.
>But please remember that our archives already are perfectly public.
That's exactly what I think we should keep in mind, especially when it comes
to discussing personal matters of people not present on the list, leaving a
unilateral view archived forever...
>Does anyone think that we should remove the archives?
No!
>Or make them
>available to list members only? The latter, although theoretically
>possible, would be very difficult and in any event, Per does not
>(and cannot) have any control whatsoever of who joins our group.
As you say, not a very realistic idea! But I think there is a great
difference from having an archive that will be found by especially
interested people and having one that's sent around to the whole word, where
they will see our messages simply because they made a search for "egypt",
"mariner" or "weasel". Also I'm afraid that you after such a search will end
up with that one message only, leaving you with a small fraction of an
ongoing discussion and thereby missing the context. If you access the
existing archives, you will more probably look through several messages from
the same time and get a more "full" understanding of the subject.
>Now, do
>we want to help them making money (by being able to claim that they
>have n+1 mailing lists archived)? I say no, and for this reason
>alone I vote for not letting them have our list.
Now that was a strange thought to me! If someone can make money by doing
something that only gains me, I don't really mind about that! But who cares
about the reason, the important thing is we agree on the answer!
So Per, have you decided yet? You are the only one who can decide this, you
know, and I don't really think anyone would blame you for saying yes! Maybe
some people will stop contributing (I won't stop!), maybe in another tone,
maybe it's no difference? But I _would_ like to know what you answer them!
Anyone really _wants_ to let them archive us?
P.S.: For those who know what I mean, I guess you can envy me: I'm going to
Sweden for a concert with Leningrad Cowboys tomorrow!
P.S.2: Just to have something more directly Disney-comics-related: The last
extra for Norwegian DD&Co. includes an old classic "U$'s money". He changes
all his money to bills and stores them in an old water tank. The strange
thing is that the BB don't have the usual numbering with only 1s, 7s and 6s.
There is 176-045 and even one 167-666! But I guess you all knew that and I'm
just showing who little _I_ know :-)
Have a nice weekend!
Knut Hunstad
Brent R. Siewert
Disney-comics digest #736.
Message 183 -
1995-07-28 at 19:27:38
Perhaps some of the San Diego Comic Convention attendees this weekend will be
able to update us on Gladstone's plans, but the back page subscription ad in the
new Comic Buyers Guide (#1133?) is troublesome. It lists all the Gladstone
except WDC&S as being published in the "self-covered" format (i.e., 32 pages @
$1.50 each). Has anyone heard if this change has been adopted? The new Advance
Comics lists the Gladstones coming out in October in both the $1.50 and $1.95
formats. I'd think it would be too early for Gladstone to judge if the
self-covered formats sells better or as good as the regular format we are used
to, but I would be very discouraged if everything went self-covered. My
opinion is that the market will eventually reject the self-covered format, if
only because it looks so much different (duller and less eye-catching) than
everything else currently available. I'll reserve judgment on the prestige
format WDC&S until I see the content, but my vote would be for the more
conventional $1.95 format for the majority of the line.
Jumping out of lurking mode for a brief instant,
Brent
able to update us on Gladstone's plans, but the back page subscription ad in the
new Comic Buyers Guide (#1133?) is troublesome. It lists all the Gladstone
except WDC&S as being published in the "self-covered" format (i.e., 32 pages @
$1.50 each). Has anyone heard if this change has been adopted? The new Advance
Comics lists the Gladstones coming out in October in both the $1.50 and $1.95
formats. I'd think it would be too early for Gladstone to judge if the
self-covered formats sells better or as good as the regular format we are used
to, but I would be very discouraged if everything went self-covered. My
opinion is that the market will eventually reject the self-covered format, if
only because it looks so much different (duller and less eye-catching) than
everything else currently available. I'll reserve judgment on the prestige
format WDC&S until I see the content, but my vote would be for the more
conventional $1.95 format for the majority of the line.
Jumping out of lurking mode for a brief instant,
Brent
Felix
Subscription
Message 184 -
1995-07-28 at 21:59:57
SUB disney-comics FELIX TAM
Torsten Wesley Adair
Question for the database
Message 185 -
1995-07-29 at 08:25:11
Hi, everyone, I'm back in Nebraska, avoiding the tourists of Washington,
DC, and catching up on my email from last January (no `net access in DC,
yet).
While reading about the database format, and the various Van Horn
"experts", I wondered about the "new" Junior Woodchucks stories being
redrawn by Van Horn (or someone else). Originally, the early HDL,JW
stories published in the early 1970s were written and plotted by Carl
Barks, and inked by someone else. Although not drawn by Barks, the
pictures were well drawn. Now, the Powers That Be (Gladstone? Egmont?)
are having the CB HDLs redrawn by Van Horn or someone, and printing them.
I've seen two or three so far.
The questions are:
Do these stories have new story codes? If they do, then no
problem, just add them to the database. If they don't, is there a
capacity to note a redrawn story? Does the database note all the issues
that a story appeared in, or is it just a listing of stories? Does the
index note edited stories, such as the linguistic changes of Lil Hiawatha?
Just wondering.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (virtually) Omaha, NE, USA
(actually) Washington, DC, USA
DC, and catching up on my email from last January (no `net access in DC,
yet).
While reading about the database format, and the various Van Horn
"experts", I wondered about the "new" Junior Woodchucks stories being
redrawn by Van Horn (or someone else). Originally, the early HDL,JW
stories published in the early 1970s were written and plotted by Carl
Barks, and inked by someone else. Although not drawn by Barks, the
pictures were well drawn. Now, the Powers That Be (Gladstone? Egmont?)
are having the CB HDLs redrawn by Van Horn or someone, and printing them.
I've seen two or three so far.
The questions are:
Do these stories have new story codes? If they do, then no
problem, just add them to the database. If they don't, is there a
capacity to note a redrawn story? Does the database note all the issues
that a story appeared in, or is it just a listing of stories? Does the
index note edited stories, such as the linguistic changes of Lil Hiawatha?
Just wondering.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu (virtually) Omaha, NE, USA
(actually) Washington, DC, USA
Torsten Wesley Adair
Inevitable pun (off topic)
Message 186 -
1995-07-29 at 09:57:40
On Mon, 13 Feb 1995, Wilmer Rivers wrote:
> Harry Fluks writes about the Dutch translation of Uncle Scrooge 291:
> > I guess they thought the dutch readers wouldn't know Sousa.
> --------------------
(Gleaned from my days as a cub scout)
(Sung to the music "Stars and Stripes Forever" by John Phillip Sousa)
Be kind to your web footed friends
For a duck may be somebody's mother.
Be kind to your friends in the swamp
Where the weather is very, very damp. ...
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
> Harry Fluks writes about the Dutch translation of Uncle Scrooge 291:
> > I guess they thought the dutch readers wouldn't know Sousa.
> --------------------
(Gleaned from my days as a cub scout)
(Sung to the music "Stars and Stripes Forever" by John Phillip Sousa)
Be kind to your web footed friends
For a duck may be somebody's mother.
Be kind to your friends in the swamp
Where the weather is very, very damp. ...
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
Gregory Charles Rivers
Pocahontas, Van Horn, Egypt and Architext
Message 187 -
1995-07-29 at 13:48:56
At 07:42 PM 27/07/95, Fredrik Ekman wrote:
>I also have a very vague memory of seeing the first issue of a
>Pocahontas comic book from Marvel, but my interest in the Marvel
>Disneys does not go beyond mild curiosity, so I didn't buy it and
>my memory is usually not to be trusted anyway. Does anyone know
>anything about this title, or even if it exists?
Marvel does have a Pocahontas series but not for long. In an issue of
Aladdin I purchased recently, Marvel explained that many of their Disney
comics will be combined into a single new series. I guess they're not very
excited about their sales figures.
Gregory
Gregory Charles Rivers
G&B Computers Limited, Hong Kong
email <gregoryr at hk.super.net>
Ph: (852) 26658199 * Fax: (852) 26614679
>I also have a very vague memory of seeing the first issue of a
>Pocahontas comic book from Marvel, but my interest in the Marvel
>Disneys does not go beyond mild curiosity, so I didn't buy it and
>my memory is usually not to be trusted anyway. Does anyone know
>anything about this title, or even if it exists?
Marvel does have a Pocahontas series but not for long. In an issue of
Aladdin I purchased recently, Marvel explained that many of their Disney
comics will be combined into a single new series. I guess they're not very
excited about their sales figures.
Gregory
Gregory Charles Rivers
G&B Computers Limited, Hong Kong
email <gregoryr at hk.super.net>
Ph: (852) 26658199 * Fax: (852) 26614679
Gregory Charles Rivers
Pocahontas, Van Horn, Egypt and Architext
Message 188 -
1995-07-29 at 17:42:31
At 07:42 PM 27/07/95, Fredrik Ekman wrote:
>I also have a very vague memory of seeing the first issue of a
>Pocahontas comic book from Marvel, but my interest in the Marvel
>Disneys does not go beyond mild curiosity, so I didn't buy it and
>my memory is usually not to be trusted anyway. Does anyone know
>anything about this title, or even if it exists?
Marvel does have a Pocahontas series but not for long. In an issue of
Aladdin I purchased recently, Marvel explained that many of their Disney
comics will be combined into a single new series. I guess they're not very
excited about their sales figures.
Gregory
Gregory Charles Rivers
G&B Computers Limited, Hong Kong
email <gregoryr at hk.super.net>
Ph: (852) 26658199 * Fax: (852) 26614679
>I also have a very vague memory of seeing the first issue of a
>Pocahontas comic book from Marvel, but my interest in the Marvel
>Disneys does not go beyond mild curiosity, so I didn't buy it and
>my memory is usually not to be trusted anyway. Does anyone know
>anything about this title, or even if it exists?
Marvel does have a Pocahontas series but not for long. In an issue of
Aladdin I purchased recently, Marvel explained that many of their Disney
comics will be combined into a single new series. I guess they're not very
excited about their sales figures.
Gregory
Gregory Charles Rivers
G&B Computers Limited, Hong Kong
email <gregoryr at hk.super.net>
Ph: (852) 26658199 * Fax: (852) 26614679
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Unsubscribing
Message 189 -
1995-07-29 at 18:00:33
BILLY, alias Striker261:
> How in the world do I unsubcribe my self I'm going to go crazy on
> this idiot mailing list!
> Striker261
Just send your question to "disney-comics-request at minsk.docs.uu.se".
That's the adress for unsubscription, subscription, adress-changes,
etc. etc.
Greetings,
--- "Idiot" Daniel
> How in the world do I unsubcribe my self I'm going to go crazy on
> this idiot mailing list!
> Striker261
Just send your question to "disney-comics-request at minsk.docs.uu.se".
That's the adress for unsubscription, subscription, adress-changes,
etc. etc.
Greetings,
--- "Idiot" Daniel
Gianfranco Goria - Anonima Fumetti - Italian Cartoonists Society
No subject
Message 190 -
1995-07-29 at 20:53:53
Hi Per: please change my address from goria at inrete.alpcom.it to
fumetti at alpcom.it
Thanks!
Gianfranco Goria, cartoonist and comics divulger: goria at inrete.alpcom.it
president of Anonima Fumetti - Italian cartoonists society
http://www.alpcom.it/fumetti/
fumetti at alpcom.it
Thanks!
Gianfranco Goria, cartoonist and comics divulger: goria at inrete.alpcom.it
president of Anonima Fumetti - Italian cartoonists society
http://www.alpcom.it/fumetti/
Striker261
No Subject
Message 191 -
1995-07-30 at 03:14:01
How in the world do I unsubcribe my self I'm going to go crazy on this idiot
mailing list!
Striker261
mailing list!
Striker261
Cdoberman
Dragon's Den
Message 192 -
1995-07-30 at 21:47:28
I did not like Pat Block's and Ron Fernandez's "The Secret of the Dragon's
Den" in DDA #34. I was not disappointed because I believe their work is held
back consistently by the same problems. While I do not care personally for
Block's art because of cluttered layouts, poor perspective and his heavy
outlines, the real flaws were in Fernandez's story. Some examples:
The splash panel sets up a lemon motif that runs throughout the story, but it
isn't clear that HDL develop a distaste for lemons due to the work. They
seem upset at the work, not the lemons, so later when they are disgusted at
the thought of drinking lemonade (7 entire pages later) I did not understand
what the problem was. The lemon motif itself is odd as lemons tend to show
up from nowhere and have nothing in common with the arctic-sea themes of the
rest of the story.
Often, there are odd jumps in time between panels which make it hard for me
to follow events: p. 5, panels 4 & 5; p. 13, panel 4; p. 20, panel 7
("Faster with those buckets your lordship); p. 23, panel 2;
Ron has a TENDENCY to OVERUSE bold LETTERING in his STORY! And EXCLAMATION
marks!!
The story is full of illogical events:
Why has the museum kept its artifacts frozen in ice? Why has Donald put on
a suit of armour to fight the fire (p. 3, final panel)?
I won't even discuss the frozen in ice = suspended animation premise
(although it's ridiculous, it is imaginative).
The Colonel is scheming something on p. 6, but his logic is beyond me.
The thought of Donald with any savings at all (p. 7) is inconsistent with his
established character.
Cap'n Andy's remark about an admiral on board (p. 8) is surprising -- the
reader is left to assume that because Donald is wearing a hat, he now
considers himself an Admiral; while everyone sarcastically refers to him as
an Admiral, nowhere does Donald display the characteristics of an admiral
with delusions of grandeur.
While Cap'n Andy has mentioned that the ship is full of his "supplies"
(whatever they might be) nowhere do the ducks notice that the boat is loaded
with ingredients for lemonade until the ship has sunk "in LEMONADE no less!"
(??)
On p. 10 someone says, "Maybe we should follow Rupert," which I assume is the
Colonel's plan for finding the riches hidden on the island, which I assume he
already knew about.
If the knights were frozen during the earthquake (p. 16), why do they all
look like they're having a nice time when the ducks find them? Cobblepot
shows up (p. 17), but how in the world did he get to them? Did he follow
them? We are to assume he steals all the money on the island.
The gag on the first 4 panels of page 21 is very vague, and I still don't get
it.
Is the knight in panel 8 of pg. 21 Sir Kerwick? later we learn no, but when
I first saw him, I wondered.
Pg. 21, last panel -- the "earlier ride" line is again vague.
Pg. 22, 1st panel: "This sure seems familiar." -- are we to assume that it's
the same island as before and, if so, how does all of Duckburg (previous
page) get there from the Duckburg harbor?
Page 23, the whole thing about water running uphill and such is never
satisfactorily explained.
On p. 26, the coins at the bottom of the well look gold (colorist's choice),
so I didn't realize they were probably dimes. Why didn't Sykes just say
dimes?
Pg. 26: "Our world has been found." What does that mean? Are they going to
take over the island park? Then why do they catch a train to nowhere on p.
27? And why was there fortune so small now?
And why does Mr. Hooty Owl have lipstick on his cheek in the final frame??
Stuff I liked: Huey's reference that the compass is pointing straight up (p.
9); The name of the owl: Mr. Hooty Owl (the biggest laugh of the story for
me); "There's an awful lot of ocean on the lower deck!" (p. 10); "She's not
very good at hiding," p. 25; The MM movies downtown.
I know, the easiest thing in the world is to be a critic, but when I pay for
a comic, and when other writers are producing such quality, I don't expect to
have so many questions -- and these are just a few of my hang ups with
Dragon's Den. Some folks may have answers to my questions , and with a
little creativity I can answer some of them too. My problem is that I had to
ask in the first place. I have wanted to run this same sort of analysis on
Bock's and Fernandez's earlier stories (especially Mystery at Widow's Gap" --
the worste I've read), but didn't feel it worth the time; but I hear so many
praises for this team that I want to voice my opinion that I think they have
a long way to go before I enjoy their work -- although, I hope that with a
little more care, their stories will become fluid, sensible and enjoyable.
Not usually so cynical,
Wes Andersen
cc. Gladstone Comics
Den" in DDA #34. I was not disappointed because I believe their work is held
back consistently by the same problems. While I do not care personally for
Block's art because of cluttered layouts, poor perspective and his heavy
outlines, the real flaws were in Fernandez's story. Some examples:
The splash panel sets up a lemon motif that runs throughout the story, but it
isn't clear that HDL develop a distaste for lemons due to the work. They
seem upset at the work, not the lemons, so later when they are disgusted at
the thought of drinking lemonade (7 entire pages later) I did not understand
what the problem was. The lemon motif itself is odd as lemons tend to show
up from nowhere and have nothing in common with the arctic-sea themes of the
rest of the story.
Often, there are odd jumps in time between panels which make it hard for me
to follow events: p. 5, panels 4 & 5; p. 13, panel 4; p. 20, panel 7
("Faster with those buckets your lordship); p. 23, panel 2;
Ron has a TENDENCY to OVERUSE bold LETTERING in his STORY! And EXCLAMATION
marks!!
The story is full of illogical events:
Why has the museum kept its artifacts frozen in ice? Why has Donald put on
a suit of armour to fight the fire (p. 3, final panel)?
I won't even discuss the frozen in ice = suspended animation premise
(although it's ridiculous, it is imaginative).
The Colonel is scheming something on p. 6, but his logic is beyond me.
The thought of Donald with any savings at all (p. 7) is inconsistent with his
established character.
Cap'n Andy's remark about an admiral on board (p. 8) is surprising -- the
reader is left to assume that because Donald is wearing a hat, he now
considers himself an Admiral; while everyone sarcastically refers to him as
an Admiral, nowhere does Donald display the characteristics of an admiral
with delusions of grandeur.
While Cap'n Andy has mentioned that the ship is full of his "supplies"
(whatever they might be) nowhere do the ducks notice that the boat is loaded
with ingredients for lemonade until the ship has sunk "in LEMONADE no less!"
(??)
On p. 10 someone says, "Maybe we should follow Rupert," which I assume is the
Colonel's plan for finding the riches hidden on the island, which I assume he
already knew about.
If the knights were frozen during the earthquake (p. 16), why do they all
look like they're having a nice time when the ducks find them? Cobblepot
shows up (p. 17), but how in the world did he get to them? Did he follow
them? We are to assume he steals all the money on the island.
The gag on the first 4 panels of page 21 is very vague, and I still don't get
it.
Is the knight in panel 8 of pg. 21 Sir Kerwick? later we learn no, but when
I first saw him, I wondered.
Pg. 21, last panel -- the "earlier ride" line is again vague.
Pg. 22, 1st panel: "This sure seems familiar." -- are we to assume that it's
the same island as before and, if so, how does all of Duckburg (previous
page) get there from the Duckburg harbor?
Page 23, the whole thing about water running uphill and such is never
satisfactorily explained.
On p. 26, the coins at the bottom of the well look gold (colorist's choice),
so I didn't realize they were probably dimes. Why didn't Sykes just say
dimes?
Pg. 26: "Our world has been found." What does that mean? Are they going to
take over the island park? Then why do they catch a train to nowhere on p.
27? And why was there fortune so small now?
And why does Mr. Hooty Owl have lipstick on his cheek in the final frame??
Stuff I liked: Huey's reference that the compass is pointing straight up (p.
9); The name of the owl: Mr. Hooty Owl (the biggest laugh of the story for
me); "There's an awful lot of ocean on the lower deck!" (p. 10); "She's not
very good at hiding," p. 25; The MM movies downtown.
I know, the easiest thing in the world is to be a critic, but when I pay for
a comic, and when other writers are producing such quality, I don't expect to
have so many questions -- and these are just a few of my hang ups with
Dragon's Den. Some folks may have answers to my questions , and with a
little creativity I can answer some of them too. My problem is that I had to
ask in the first place. I have wanted to run this same sort of analysis on
Bock's and Fernandez's earlier stories (especially Mystery at Widow's Gap" --
the worste I've read), but didn't feel it worth the time; but I hear so many
praises for this team that I want to voice my opinion that I think they have
a long way to go before I enjoy their work -- although, I hope that with a
little more care, their stories will become fluid, sensible and enjoyable.
Not usually so cynical,
Wes Andersen
cc. Gladstone Comics
Torsten Wesley Adair
Disney-comics digest #608.
Message 193 -
1995-07-31 at 06:05:25
On Monday, 13 Mar 1995, it was written:
(Okay, so I don't read my email very often.)
D. Gerstein
> I hope your recent posting was a joke! Does anyone actually like
> seeing serialized stories presented in BIMONTHLY chapters? Or stories
> that weren't meant to be serials presented in serial form?
...
> MORE LENTILS!
> Speaking of serials... has anyone picked up USA 33 yet? I'd like
I tend to ignore the serials in Gladstone. 1) I don't think the stories
generate enough excitement for me to wait for the next issue. 2) I am
used to reading Gladstones where not only is the story complete in the
issue, but sometimes more than one complete story are in each issue.
Are there any American Disney stories which were written as cliffhangers?
I remember some Gold Key Mickey & Goofy stories which spanned two issues.
I wonder why Gladstone/Egmont/Whomever doesn't publish a continuing Mickey
Mouse "soap opera", similar in construction (but not content) to what DC
and Marvel Comics are publishing.
I just remembered the early Gladstone Mickeys which adapted the
Gottfredson strips to comic books. If memory serves, that title didn't do
too well.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
(Okay, so I don't read my email very often.)
D. Gerstein
> I hope your recent posting was a joke! Does anyone actually like
> seeing serialized stories presented in BIMONTHLY chapters? Or stories
> that weren't meant to be serials presented in serial form?
...
> MORE LENTILS!
> Speaking of serials... has anyone picked up USA 33 yet? I'd like
I tend to ignore the serials in Gladstone. 1) I don't think the stories
generate enough excitement for me to wait for the next issue. 2) I am
used to reading Gladstones where not only is the story complete in the
issue, but sometimes more than one complete story are in each issue.
Are there any American Disney stories which were written as cliffhangers?
I remember some Gold Key Mickey & Goofy stories which spanned two issues.
I wonder why Gladstone/Egmont/Whomever doesn't publish a continuing Mickey
Mouse "soap opera", similar in construction (but not content) to what DC
and Marvel Comics are publishing.
I just remembered the early Gladstone Mickeys which adapted the
Gottfredson strips to comic books. If memory serves, that title didn't do
too well.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
Torsten Wesley Adair
News about newsprint
Message 194 -
1995-07-31 at 06:45:55
On Tuesday, 4 April 1995, Daniel Shane wrote:
> The issue of paper avilability is indeed critical. Some have concluded that
> in 10 years nobody will be able afford the stuff, and we'll all get our news
> and reading matter electronically. I don't know how close to the truth that
> is, but we'll all be paying a LOT more for anything on paper.
A few bits of information:
1) In Washington, DC, recyclers are paying such good prices for
newsprint that thieves are driving around town stealing newspapers set out
for the licensed recycler.
2) Hemp (from marijuana) can be grown in greater quantities than
trees, faster than trees, and it produces a stronger fiber.
Unfortunately, here in the USA, hemp has a bad reputation, even though the
Declaration of Independence is printed on hemp paper. Perhaps Holland
will corner the market?
3) I predict that eventually, natural resources will become so
scarce, and thus valuable, that landfills will be mined and recycled.
(Nothing decays in a landfill. Newspapers from the 1950s have been found
in near-mint condition.)
4) One reason for the scarcity of golden age comics is that many
were recycled during the scrap drives of World War Two.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
> The issue of paper avilability is indeed critical. Some have concluded that
> in 10 years nobody will be able afford the stuff, and we'll all get our news
> and reading matter electronically. I don't know how close to the truth that
> is, but we'll all be paying a LOT more for anything on paper.
A few bits of information:
1) In Washington, DC, recyclers are paying such good prices for
newsprint that thieves are driving around town stealing newspapers set out
for the licensed recycler.
2) Hemp (from marijuana) can be grown in greater quantities than
trees, faster than trees, and it produces a stronger fiber.
Unfortunately, here in the USA, hemp has a bad reputation, even though the
Declaration of Independence is printed on hemp paper. Perhaps Holland
will corner the market?
3) I predict that eventually, natural resources will become so
scarce, and thus valuable, that landfills will be mined and recycled.
(Nothing decays in a landfill. Newspapers from the 1950s have been found
in near-mint condition.)
4) One reason for the scarcity of golden age comics is that many
were recycled during the scrap drives of World War Two.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
Torsten Wesley Adair
Rosa Index & genealogy questions
Message 195 -
1995-07-31 at 08:15:18
Well, I'm now somewhere in the June letters....
There was a question about the Dutch publisher redrawing Don's Family Tree
(I was fortunate enough to be in Germany last summer when it was published
as part of the 60th birthday celebration). Sidestepping that discussion,
I wonder if there is a listing for Don Rosa's work outside of the normal
comic book stories and covers.
I suppose there should be one, since there is the family tree in at least
two different versions (and probably more, considering the problem of
Grandma Duck), and the future release of a Rosa litho(?)graph.
Also, is there an index for non-Disney stories done by Rosa?
And while we are on the subject of genes... Last March, a friend returned
from Iceland with three Disney comics (one of which had the first part of
the "Universal Solvent" story). I wonder, since the Icelanders use the
father's first name as part of the child's last name, do the Ducks use the
same method? If so, what is Donald's last name? (According to the German
family tree, his father is unknown. What that makes Donald, I don't want
to know.) Do the Iceland Disneys sidestep this by not using last names?
(BTW, I can't read Icelandic, but I could figure out the story from the
pictures, so Don is doing something right.)
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
There was a question about the Dutch publisher redrawing Don's Family Tree
(I was fortunate enough to be in Germany last summer when it was published
as part of the 60th birthday celebration). Sidestepping that discussion,
I wonder if there is a listing for Don Rosa's work outside of the normal
comic book stories and covers.
I suppose there should be one, since there is the family tree in at least
two different versions (and probably more, considering the problem of
Grandma Duck), and the future release of a Rosa litho(?)graph.
Also, is there an index for non-Disney stories done by Rosa?
And while we are on the subject of genes... Last March, a friend returned
from Iceland with three Disney comics (one of which had the first part of
the "Universal Solvent" story). I wonder, since the Icelanders use the
father's first name as part of the child's last name, do the Ducks use the
same method? If so, what is Donald's last name? (According to the German
family tree, his father is unknown. What that makes Donald, I don't want
to know.) Do the Iceland Disneys sidestep this by not using last names?
(BTW, I can't read Icelandic, but I could figure out the story from the
pictures, so Don is doing something right.)
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA