ART:
Your comic shop in Breda is only slightly worse than mine in Amsterdam.
In Amsterdam, they say that "Rosa's stories are very good. I can't tell
them apart from Barks!"
> Look, I'm almost sure that Sweden, USA and Holland
> are not the only countries who can make Disney stories.
There are no original Disney comic stories produced in Sweden. The only
countries we (I) know of that produce or produced their own stories are:
USA, Denmark, Netherlands, Italy, France, Brazil, Germany (only very few)
and _maybe_ Egypt. Other countries may produce their own _covers_, but
no original stories. (See the ftp file "story-codes" for more details.)
DON:
> It took a while, but I can finally recognize "Carl
> Barks" and "Don Rosa" in Greek. ("Don Rosa" comes out looking like "Ntov
> Pooa"!)
Apparently, they don't have an equivalent of the 'd' in modern Greek, so
they approximate it with "nt". Like in Ntonalt Ntak.
The second 'o' in "Pooa" should in fact be a sigma, a circle with a small
line to the right, something like
_
O
When transcribed to latin letters, your name in Greek would be "Nton Rosa".
FRANK:
I said:
>> Romano Scarpa was very good in the 50s, and then he started
>> drawing VERY ugly Ducks in the 60s!
> WHAT? Well that must be a matter of personal preferences...
I saw his work in a reprint of Topolino #500 (I think), one of the
celebration stories. His Ducks were way too long, with too big behinds.
Really awful!
> I agree with your "isolated worlds" perspective, though I wouldn't
> lump the Italian world together with the French and Brazilian
Everything one doesn't know looks the same...
You said to Don:
> I wouldn't say you are my
> preferred artist, yet, but this may come later... :-)
In general, I'm quite neutral about Don's art. It does not look that bad
anymore (I still don't like the art in "Cash Flow", for instance). But
now that he works for Egmont, the art sometimes is superb. I especially
like the way Don draws the nephews. As far as art is concerned, "Return to
Xanadu" is still my Rosa favourite!
> If I had known that the list existed in 1992 I would have subscribed
> right away! The only thing I did was checking the *disney* newsgroups,
> but I quickly discovered that none of the traffic was about
> comics.
If you had posted a message yourself to rec.arts.disney or so, one of us
would have sent you a message about this list! We did that before, and
that's how we got, for instance, David Gerstein and Dwight Decker here.
JAMES SMITH III:
Welcome.
Do you still like prunes? 8-)
DWIGHT:
> Are Volumes IV through VI of the German Life
> of Scrooge album-series out by this time...?
Volumes IV and V are out. I don't know when number VI (with the
last chapters of Life of Scrooge) is scheduled.
--Harry.
Author
Topic: 199508
(229 messages)
H.W. Fluks
Last week's digest #758.
Message 121 -
1995-08-21 at 14:11:57
Fredrik Ekman
Last week's digest #758.
Message 122 -
1995-08-21 at 15:49:16
On Mon, 21 Aug 1995, H.W. Fluks wrote:
> The only countries we (I) know of that produce or produced their own
> stories are: USA, Denmark, Netherlands, Italy, France, Brazil, Germany
> (only very few) and _maybe_ Egypt.
None of the Arab Disney comics I have contain any evidence of stories
other than tose we know of from abovementioned countries. There seems to
be some locally produced covers.
/F
> The only countries we (I) know of that produce or produced their own
> stories are: USA, Denmark, Netherlands, Italy, France, Brazil, Germany
> (only very few) and _maybe_ Egypt.
None of the Arab Disney comics I have contain any evidence of stories
other than tose we know of from abovementioned countries. There seems to
be some locally produced covers.
/F
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Marco Polo, the original dialogue
Message 123 -
1995-08-21 at 16:22:53
Hi all! (Especially BOB)
I've compared my original issue Uncle Scrooge 64 with the CBL-version
and here are the original dialogues of what's changed in the CBL:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
("3.1" means: page 3, panel 1.)
3.1 "Unsteadystan is reeking with civil wars! Guerillas (...)"
3.7 "(...) Whan Beeg Rhat is the rebel brigand who is trying to be
dictator of Unsteadystan!"
4.1 "I crawled in to hide from the rebels."
4.2 "No, the rebels had (...)"
4.7 "I paid the Unsteadystan premier a million (...)"
6.6 "Somebody's always shooting at somebody in Unsteadystan,
Mr. McDuck!"
7.1 "(...) There's a *battle* going on between two rival rebel
bands."
9.3 "Whan Beeg Rhat, si! (...)"
9.4 "Rebel Debbil, you're (...)"
9.5 "(...) these watches from the workers' paradise!"
10.4 "Beeg Rhat will come out of his jungle hide-out (...)" [In the
CBL this ballon is shortened a bit, you can see a bit of it's
original silhoutte in the black on the left.]
10.5 "No, *power*! Every thug in Unsteadystan wants to be *ruler*!
None can succeed (...)"
10.6 "(...) Only he can unite the people and make them peaceful!"
10.7 "(...) and all these would-be rulers would erase him on sight
if (...)"
11.2 "(...) At least the in-and-out rulers haven't (...)"
15.5 "Hail to Wahn Beeg Rhat, dictator of (...)"
16.2 [Strangle-string removed.]
20.6 "(...) sneaked back to reunite Unsteadystan, *prince*? (...)"
23.4 - "(...) We've had sixty rulers in sixty months!"
- "All phonies! The true ruler will appear (...)"
23.7 "(...) Don't let him spoil my *revolution*!"
24.2 - "And keep these silly revolutions (...)"
- "(...) think it will be nice for Unsteadystan to have a
*king* again (...)"
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I've compared my original issue Uncle Scrooge 64 with the CBL-version
and here are the original dialogues of what's changed in the CBL:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
("3.1" means: page 3, panel 1.)
3.1 "Unsteadystan is reeking with civil wars! Guerillas (...)"
3.7 "(...) Whan Beeg Rhat is the rebel brigand who is trying to be
dictator of Unsteadystan!"
4.1 "I crawled in to hide from the rebels."
4.2 "No, the rebels had (...)"
4.7 "I paid the Unsteadystan premier a million (...)"
6.6 "Somebody's always shooting at somebody in Unsteadystan,
Mr. McDuck!"
7.1 "(...) There's a *battle* going on between two rival rebel
bands."
9.3 "Whan Beeg Rhat, si! (...)"
9.4 "Rebel Debbil, you're (...)"
9.5 "(...) these watches from the workers' paradise!"
10.4 "Beeg Rhat will come out of his jungle hide-out (...)" [In the
CBL this ballon is shortened a bit, you can see a bit of it's
original silhoutte in the black on the left.]
10.5 "No, *power*! Every thug in Unsteadystan wants to be *ruler*!
None can succeed (...)"
10.6 "(...) Only he can unite the people and make them peaceful!"
10.7 "(...) and all these would-be rulers would erase him on sight
if (...)"
11.2 "(...) At least the in-and-out rulers haven't (...)"
15.5 "Hail to Wahn Beeg Rhat, dictator of (...)"
16.2 [Strangle-string removed.]
20.6 "(...) sneaked back to reunite Unsteadystan, *prince*? (...)"
23.4 - "(...) We've had sixty rulers in sixty months!"
- "All phonies! The true ruler will appear (...)"
23.7 "(...) Don't let him spoil my *revolution*!"
24.2 - "And keep these silly revolutions (...)"
- "(...) think it will be nice for Unsteadystan to have a
*king* again (...)"
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lutz Koch
Disney-comics digest #755.
Message 124 -
1995-08-21 at 17:45:59
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 20:54:42 +0200
To: Lutz Koch <73247.1103 at compuserve.com>
From: Knut Hunstad <Knut.Hunstad at veg.sintef.no>
Subject: Re: Disney-comics digest #755.
Hi,
Lutz quoted:
>"Many readers would be disappointed if they could take a look at the American
>original: Carl Barks without the verbal wit of Dr. Erika Fuchs - unthinkable!"
I can understand the statement. My first Disney comics were german (I lived
in Munich from 70-73) and after that norwegian (after 1973). I always
thought the german stories were "better" somehow. In retrospective I realize
it's the translation. Beeing used to the correct language of the german and
norwegian translations, I got quite a shock first time I read an original DD
story! I really didn't like it! I still haven't read much of DD in original
language, but knowadays I am more able to appreciate the style of Barks' use
of the language. So I would say the first part of the quoted statement above
is true, but the second part is rather neglecting Barks' qualities as a writer!
>This is a mean and tasteless statement.
I wouldn't say mean, just not very well formulated.
> But what can you expect from a company
>that fills its most popular publication, the MM weekly, with editorial trash of
>the worst kind (like encouraging kids to play filthy tricks on their classmates
>etc.).
That is a problem in Norway, too! The weekly DD&Co. has published so many
pranks which I never would have _dreamt_ of doing when I was a kid (and I
wasn't _that_ nice a kid)! Only
thing that keeps wondering me, is why there hasn't been a giant uproar about
this from parents and teachers (as many of these pranks are to be done to
parents/teachers)?
>Subject: Frank Stajano's Introduc(k)tion
Welcome, Frank!
>"the special stories". Among the most prized comics I had at the time
>were also some Gottfredson reprints (that was the "Il Topolino d'oro"
>("The Golden Mickey Mouse") series), including the Dr. Einmug "Island in
>the Sky" one and "Mickey Mouse Outwits the Phantom Blot". In all fairness
I always loved that first Phantom Blot story! Just yesterday I spent over 1
hour looking for a comic book I bought some years ago in the USA with that
story, very differently edited than the version I have in my "I, Goofy"-book
(yeah, I know, seems strange, but after all, Goofy is _very_ typical in
those few panels he appears in in that story...). And I didn't find it (but
I'm not giving up, it's _got_ to be somewhere)! The USA version had even
more of those devilish plans to kill MM and had quite big changes in the
order in which those plans appeared. Of course, I realize the USA version is
probably the more original. When I find that book again, I'll be back with
some more specific questions...
>subscription to Topolino. A couple of years later this was stopped, on
>the grounds that I was a grown-up and I was not supposed to have that
>childish passion for comics, and all that sort of rubbish (sounds
>familiar to you? I hope not...). But the worst was yet to come: when, a
Tell me about it! When I was around 13 or so, the only recurring thing on my
wish list for xmas and birthdays was the giant Disney-books ("I, Goofy", "I,
Scrooge" etc.). But my mother refused to buy them because I was getting "too
grown up for those stories". Ahh, the ignorance of the "Cultural elite"! I
don't think she ever has realized what kind of value my bookshelf
represents, and I don't think I'll ever tell her...
BTW, I know now that those giant books really are of very poor quality
regarding coloring, reformatting and general respect for the material. But
the _selection_ of stories was excellent!
Knut Hunstad
Trondheim, Norway
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 20:54:42 +0200
To: Lutz Koch <73247.1103 at compuserve.com>
From: Knut Hunstad <Knut.Hunstad at veg.sintef.no>
Subject: Re: Disney-comics digest #755.
Hi,
Lutz quoted:
>"Many readers would be disappointed if they could take a look at the American
>original: Carl Barks without the verbal wit of Dr. Erika Fuchs - unthinkable!"
I can understand the statement. My first Disney comics were german (I lived
in Munich from 70-73) and after that norwegian (after 1973). I always
thought the german stories were "better" somehow. In retrospective I realize
it's the translation. Beeing used to the correct language of the german and
norwegian translations, I got quite a shock first time I read an original DD
story! I really didn't like it! I still haven't read much of DD in original
language, but knowadays I am more able to appreciate the style of Barks' use
of the language. So I would say the first part of the quoted statement above
is true, but the second part is rather neglecting Barks' qualities as a writer!
>This is a mean and tasteless statement.
I wouldn't say mean, just not very well formulated.
> But what can you expect from a company
>that fills its most popular publication, the MM weekly, with editorial trash of
>the worst kind (like encouraging kids to play filthy tricks on their classmates
>etc.).
That is a problem in Norway, too! The weekly DD&Co. has published so many
pranks which I never would have _dreamt_ of doing when I was a kid (and I
wasn't _that_ nice a kid)! Only
thing that keeps wondering me, is why there hasn't been a giant uproar about
this from parents and teachers (as many of these pranks are to be done to
parents/teachers)?
>Subject: Frank Stajano's Introduc(k)tion
Welcome, Frank!
>"the special stories". Among the most prized comics I had at the time
>were also some Gottfredson reprints (that was the "Il Topolino d'oro"
>("The Golden Mickey Mouse") series), including the Dr. Einmug "Island in
>the Sky" one and "Mickey Mouse Outwits the Phantom Blot". In all fairness
I always loved that first Phantom Blot story! Just yesterday I spent over 1
hour looking for a comic book I bought some years ago in the USA with that
story, very differently edited than the version I have in my "I, Goofy"-book
(yeah, I know, seems strange, but after all, Goofy is _very_ typical in
those few panels he appears in in that story...). And I didn't find it (but
I'm not giving up, it's _got_ to be somewhere)! The USA version had even
more of those devilish plans to kill MM and had quite big changes in the
order in which those plans appeared. Of course, I realize the USA version is
probably the more original. When I find that book again, I'll be back with
some more specific questions...
>subscription to Topolino. A couple of years later this was stopped, on
>the grounds that I was a grown-up and I was not supposed to have that
>childish passion for comics, and all that sort of rubbish (sounds
>familiar to you? I hope not...). But the worst was yet to come: when, a
Tell me about it! When I was around 13 or so, the only recurring thing on my
wish list for xmas and birthdays was the giant Disney-books ("I, Goofy", "I,
Scrooge" etc.). But my mother refused to buy them because I was getting "too
grown up for those stories". Ahh, the ignorance of the "Cultural elite"! I
don't think she ever has realized what kind of value my bookshelf
represents, and I don't think I'll ever tell her...
BTW, I know now that those giant books really are of very poor quality
regarding coloring, reformatting and general respect for the material. But
the _selection_ of stories was excellent!
Knut Hunstad
Trondheim, Norway
Tina.Alwayn
Denace the menace comics
Message 125 -
1995-08-21 at 20:54:25
Hi, I was wondering if Denace the menace comics are being published in
the US. If yes where could I get them ? The only place I have found a
strip is in the local news papers. -tina
the US. If yes where could I get them ? The only place I have found a
strip is in the local news papers. -tina
Deckerd
Denace the menace comics
Message 126 -
1995-08-21 at 21:03:01
Tina asked about Dennis the Menace comics, and Mr. Decker was
Dwight-on-the-spot with an answer...
> Unless, I'm sadly misinformed, I don't think there have been any
> Dennis the Menace comic books published in the US for at least 30
> years. In a way, it's a pity, as I remember some Dennis the Menace
> comics that had Dennis and his family going on vacation to various
> exotic places (like Hawaii, I think), and the stories and back-up
> features included fairly solid information about those places.
> Anyway, I remember them fondly as great stuff for a little kid like I
> was then. And I seem to recall, too, that the Dennis comics were
> published by an unusual company (was it Fawcett, as the last
> remaining comic book in the line?) I also remember that the comics
> were a bit unusual in that the word balloon lettering used both upper
> and lower case letters, instead of just all caps. But like I said, I
> don't think any Dennis comic books have been published in about
> 30 years. The newspaper comic panel/strip is about all there is,
> though there might be paperback book collections of it. I saw
> an article a few years ago about the creator, Hank Ketchum; he
> was living in France, but was moving back to the US partly because
> he didn't want to be too out of touch with daily life there. Otherwise
> it wouldn't be too long before he showed Dennis's father coming home
> from work riding a bicycle, wearing a beret, and carrying a long loaf of
> bread under his arm. (Actually, Dennis the Menace was already showing
> signs of severe datedness and out-of-touchness, if only for the references
> to Dennis's hero "Cowboy Bob" long after such cowboy kiddie heroes died
> out here.)
> So...I'm sorry, but I can't help you with the Dennis the Menace comics.
> What about Disney comics, though? We've got a few of those, and a heaping
> helping of Carl Barks and Don Rosa stories can get you through those long
> dark nights of the soul when you can't find any stories about Dennis,
> Margaret, and Mr. Wilson.
>
> --Dwight Decker
>
Dwight-on-the-spot with an answer...
> Unless, I'm sadly misinformed, I don't think there have been any
> Dennis the Menace comic books published in the US for at least 30
> years. In a way, it's a pity, as I remember some Dennis the Menace
> comics that had Dennis and his family going on vacation to various
> exotic places (like Hawaii, I think), and the stories and back-up
> features included fairly solid information about those places.
> Anyway, I remember them fondly as great stuff for a little kid like I
> was then. And I seem to recall, too, that the Dennis comics were
> published by an unusual company (was it Fawcett, as the last
> remaining comic book in the line?) I also remember that the comics
> were a bit unusual in that the word balloon lettering used both upper
> and lower case letters, instead of just all caps. But like I said, I
> don't think any Dennis comic books have been published in about
> 30 years. The newspaper comic panel/strip is about all there is,
> though there might be paperback book collections of it. I saw
> an article a few years ago about the creator, Hank Ketchum; he
> was living in France, but was moving back to the US partly because
> he didn't want to be too out of touch with daily life there. Otherwise
> it wouldn't be too long before he showed Dennis's father coming home
> from work riding a bicycle, wearing a beret, and carrying a long loaf of
> bread under his arm. (Actually, Dennis the Menace was already showing
> signs of severe datedness and out-of-touchness, if only for the references
> to Dennis's hero "Cowboy Bob" long after such cowboy kiddie heroes died
> out here.)
> So...I'm sorry, but I can't help you with the Dennis the Menace comics.
> What about Disney comics, though? We've got a few of those, and a heaping
> helping of Carl Barks and Don Rosa stories can get you through those long
> dark nights of the soul when you can't find any stories about Dennis,
> Margaret, and Mr. Wilson.
>
> --Dwight Decker
>
Deckerd
Denace the menace comics
Message 127 -
1995-08-21 at 23:45:18
> Marvel definitely published some Dennis the Menace comics in the '70's or
> '80's. They didn't last too long, like every non-superhero comic Marvel
> has taken a stab at. I'm pretty sure that they were produced by
> Ketcham's studio.
Oh golly. Dennis the Marvel Menace must have gone right past me at
the time. I don't remember those at all! Well, I guess that's the
beauty of an ML: umpteen heads are better than one, and what my
burned-out brain cells fail to remember, somebody else will be sure
to point out.
I do recall seeing an issue of "Beano," the British comic weekly,
sometime in the mid'70s, which featured a strip called "Dennis the
Menace," but a decidedly non-Ketcham local original character.
But who needs Dennis the Menace comics when you've got Disney comics
by Carl Barks and Don Rosa to read?! (Note subtle attempt to get
thread back on-topic.)
--Dwight Decker
> '80's. They didn't last too long, like every non-superhero comic Marvel
> has taken a stab at. I'm pretty sure that they were produced by
> Ketcham's studio.
Oh golly. Dennis the Marvel Menace must have gone right past me at
the time. I don't remember those at all! Well, I guess that's the
beauty of an ML: umpteen heads are better than one, and what my
burned-out brain cells fail to remember, somebody else will be sure
to point out.
I do recall seeing an issue of "Beano," the British comic weekly,
sometime in the mid'70s, which featured a strip called "Dennis the
Menace," but a decidedly non-Ketcham local original character.
But who needs Dennis the Menace comics when you've got Disney comics
by Carl Barks and Don Rosa to read?! (Note subtle attempt to get
thread back on-topic.)
--Dwight Decker
Deckerd
Dennis in Hawaii
Message 128 -
1995-08-22 at 00:12:44
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> Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the Dennis the Menace comic books
> disappeared when the TV show went away. You're right about
> there being a factual-based book set in Hawaii - I remember
> Dennis's visit to Pearl Harbor vividly. (Hank Ketchum often
> made references to his own days in the Navy, via Henry.)
> Another comic that took its cast to far-away settings was
> Little Lulu. I remember her trips to Alaska and Australia,
> at least.
>
> Wilmer Rivers
I also seem to remember a Dennis comic that took the Mitchell
family to Los Angeles, with some gee-whiz facts about LA and
Hollywood. What made those vacation comics great was that they
came out about the time my family was going somewhere (like to a
family reunion at my grandparents' house far far away), and they
seemed to just be a part of the whole vacation/traveling/summertime
experience. Ah, the childhood memories just thinking about them
conjures up!
The themed Dell Disney giants kind of worked the same way. There
would be Christmas specials around Christmas time, vacation specials
around the time school let out -- they got kind of wrapped up into
the whole experience of that particular season. Even
the pain of having to go back to school was eased (well, a little) by
getting a copy of HUEY, DEWEY & LOUIE BACK TO SCHOOL. Still, I
remember the Disney comics were somewhat in a world apart. Dennis
the Menace going to Hawaii was more "real" than, say, Huey, Dewey,
and Louie going to Hawaii. The Disney talking animal comics were
a bit more obviously fantasy than Dennis the Menace or Little Archie.
Maybe my memories are a little skewed by the fact that while I always
bought Disney comics of my own as a kid, it always seemed to be my
cousins who had Dennis the Menace or the neighborhood kids who had
Little Archie comics, so they had an element of exotic glamor for me
that the more familiar Disneys didn't.
But what the heck -- I liked them all and I still do! I just wish
kids today had 'em all around, too! (Well, kids in other countries
still do. On my last trip to Europe, I brought back several seasonal
themed Disney story collections from Holland and Denmark. Lucky
Eurokids!)
--Dwight Decker
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> Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the Dennis the Menace comic books
> disappeared when the TV show went away. You're right about
> there being a factual-based book set in Hawaii - I remember
> Dennis's visit to Pearl Harbor vividly. (Hank Ketchum often
> made references to his own days in the Navy, via Henry.)
> Another comic that took its cast to far-away settings was
> Little Lulu. I remember her trips to Alaska and Australia,
> at least.
>
> Wilmer Rivers
I also seem to remember a Dennis comic that took the Mitchell
family to Los Angeles, with some gee-whiz facts about LA and
Hollywood. What made those vacation comics great was that they
came out about the time my family was going somewhere (like to a
family reunion at my grandparents' house far far away), and they
seemed to just be a part of the whole vacation/traveling/summertime
experience. Ah, the childhood memories just thinking about them
conjures up!
The themed Dell Disney giants kind of worked the same way. There
would be Christmas specials around Christmas time, vacation specials
around the time school let out -- they got kind of wrapped up into
the whole experience of that particular season. Even
the pain of having to go back to school was eased (well, a little) by
getting a copy of HUEY, DEWEY & LOUIE BACK TO SCHOOL. Still, I
remember the Disney comics were somewhat in a world apart. Dennis
the Menace going to Hawaii was more "real" than, say, Huey, Dewey,
and Louie going to Hawaii. The Disney talking animal comics were
a bit more obviously fantasy than Dennis the Menace or Little Archie.
Maybe my memories are a little skewed by the fact that while I always
bought Disney comics of my own as a kid, it always seemed to be my
cousins who had Dennis the Menace or the neighborhood kids who had
Little Archie comics, so they had an element of exotic glamor for me
that the more familiar Disneys didn't.
But what the heck -- I liked them all and I still do! I just wish
kids today had 'em all around, too! (Well, kids in other countries
still do. On my last trip to Europe, I brought back several seasonal
themed Disney story collections from Holland and Denmark. Lucky
Eurokids!)
--Dwight Decker
Cdoberman
Disney-comics digest #755.
Message 129 -
1995-08-22 at 01:24:20
Lutz Koch writes:
>The weekly DD&Co. has published so many
>pranks which I never would have _dreamt_ of doing when I was a kid (and I
>wasn't _that_ nice a kid)!
I would love to know what kinds of pranks are being published specifically.
Not having been that nice a kid, myself, I'd love to see how they rate
compared to what my friends and I used to do.
Wes
>The weekly DD&Co. has published so many
>pranks which I never would have _dreamt_ of doing when I was a kid (and I
>wasn't _that_ nice a kid)!
I would love to know what kinds of pranks are being published specifically.
Not having been that nice a kid, myself, I'd love to see how they rate
compared to what my friends and I used to do.
Wes
Arthur_de_Wolf
Disney STORIES producing countries!
Message 130 -
1995-08-22 at 01:51:21
Hi!
DON about 'conversation':
> I can assure you that not one single thing he said is true [...]
Thank you for your comments. Now I'm SURE that he is wrong. I can't
wait to tell him. ;-)
HARRY:
> In Amsterdam, they say that "Rosa's stories are very good. I can't tell
> them apart from Barks!"
It's terrible. And those people, who actually make a living of selling
comics, are supposed to know a lot about them. What's the world coming
to?
> The only countries we (I) know of that produce or produced their own
> stories are: USA, Denmark, Netherlands, Italy, France, Brazil, Germany
> (only very few) and _maybe_ Egypt.
Only those? That's not much.
What about Argentina? In Uncle Scrooge Adventures #34 Alberto Beccatini
writes:
Quote: "... a weekly comics magazine bearing his name (El Pato Donald)
stated publication in Buenos Aires, Argentina. An artist named Luis
Destuet drew original stories of the Duck from 1945 until the early 1960s.
[...] More than ten years passed before other Argentinean artists devoted
themselves to drawing Disney comics. In 1975, the Jaime Diaz Studio
stated producing...", Unquote.
Or do the artists of the Jaime Diaz Studio produce stories for OTHER
companies? Because, later in the text:
Quote: "He [Daniel Brance, -Art] settled in Barcelona, the seat of the
most illustration/comics studios and publishers in Spain. After drawing
a comic album for Editorial Bruguera, in 1977 he started working for a
studio called Bardon Art, which, among other things, produced Disney
strips for Egmont...", Unquote.
Are Argentina and Spain ALSO countries that produce their own
Disney STORIES?
--Arthur.
DON about 'conversation':
> I can assure you that not one single thing he said is true [...]
Thank you for your comments. Now I'm SURE that he is wrong. I can't
wait to tell him. ;-)
HARRY:
> In Amsterdam, they say that "Rosa's stories are very good. I can't tell
> them apart from Barks!"
It's terrible. And those people, who actually make a living of selling
comics, are supposed to know a lot about them. What's the world coming
to?
> The only countries we (I) know of that produce or produced their own
> stories are: USA, Denmark, Netherlands, Italy, France, Brazil, Germany
> (only very few) and _maybe_ Egypt.
Only those? That's not much.
What about Argentina? In Uncle Scrooge Adventures #34 Alberto Beccatini
writes:
Quote: "... a weekly comics magazine bearing his name (El Pato Donald)
stated publication in Buenos Aires, Argentina. An artist named Luis
Destuet drew original stories of the Duck from 1945 until the early 1960s.
[...] More than ten years passed before other Argentinean artists devoted
themselves to drawing Disney comics. In 1975, the Jaime Diaz Studio
stated producing...", Unquote.
Or do the artists of the Jaime Diaz Studio produce stories for OTHER
companies? Because, later in the text:
Quote: "He [Daniel Brance, -Art] settled in Barcelona, the seat of the
most illustration/comics studios and publishers in Spain. After drawing
a comic album for Editorial Bruguera, in 1977 he started working for a
studio called Bardon Art, which, among other things, produced Disney
strips for Egmont...", Unquote.
Are Argentina and Spain ALSO countries that produce their own
Disney STORIES?
--Arthur.
Arthur_de_Wolf
Disney COMICS producing countries!
Message 131 -
1995-08-22 at 02:56:35
Hi!
So now I know what countries produce their own Disney _stories_!
But what about the countries that make their own Disney _comics_?
Here's a list of the countries I know of: (which is OFCOURSE not nearly
complete. Can someone make this list MORE complete?)
- Argantina (El Pato Donald/...)
- Australia (Unknown [not anymore]/...)
- Belgium (Mickey Magazine/...)
- Brazil (Ze Carioca/Pato Donald/...)
- Bulgaria (???)
- China (Mickey Mouse [in Chinese writing]/...)
- Denmark (Anders And & Co/...)
- Egypt (Mickey [in Egyptian writing]/...)
- Finland (???)
- France (Le Journal de Mickey/Picsou/...)
- Germany (Micky Maus/Donald Duck Sonderheft/...)
- Great Brittain(Mickey and Friends/...)
- Greece (Komix/Miky/...)
- Holland (Donald Duck Weekblad/...)
- Hungaria (???)
- Iceland (???)
- Indonesia (Donal Bebek/...)
- Italy (Topolino/...)
- Malaysia (Donald Duck Adventures [Malaysian Edition]/...)
- Mexico (Pato Donald/Daisy/...)
- Norway (Donald Duck & Co/Onkel Skrue/...)
- Poland (???)
- Portugal (Pato Donald/Margarita/...)
- Russia (Mukku Mayc/...)
- Spain (Pato Donald/Mickey/...)
- Sweden (Kalle Anka & Co/...)
- Turkey (Dunyasi/...)
- USA (Uncle Scrooge/Walt Disney's Comics and Stories/...)
--Arthur.
So now I know what countries produce their own Disney _stories_!
But what about the countries that make their own Disney _comics_?
Here's a list of the countries I know of: (which is OFCOURSE not nearly
complete. Can someone make this list MORE complete?)
- Argantina (El Pato Donald/...)
- Australia (Unknown [not anymore]/...)
- Belgium (Mickey Magazine/...)
- Brazil (Ze Carioca/Pato Donald/...)
- Bulgaria (???)
- China (Mickey Mouse [in Chinese writing]/...)
- Denmark (Anders And & Co/...)
- Egypt (Mickey [in Egyptian writing]/...)
- Finland (???)
- France (Le Journal de Mickey/Picsou/...)
- Germany (Micky Maus/Donald Duck Sonderheft/...)
- Great Brittain(Mickey and Friends/...)
- Greece (Komix/Miky/...)
- Holland (Donald Duck Weekblad/...)
- Hungaria (???)
- Iceland (???)
- Indonesia (Donal Bebek/...)
- Italy (Topolino/...)
- Malaysia (Donald Duck Adventures [Malaysian Edition]/...)
- Mexico (Pato Donald/Daisy/...)
- Norway (Donald Duck & Co/Onkel Skrue/...)
- Poland (???)
- Portugal (Pato Donald/Margarita/...)
- Russia (Mukku Mayc/...)
- Spain (Pato Donald/Mickey/...)
- Sweden (Kalle Anka & Co/...)
- Turkey (Dunyasi/...)
- USA (Uncle Scrooge/Walt Disney's Comics and Stories/...)
--Arthur.
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #761.
Message 132 -
1995-08-22 at 08:35:00
ARTHUR AND HARRY (and others):
Those were great lists of which countries produce new Disney stories
and which countries publish Disney comics. But the important thing to
remember, especially when you have people like Arthur's "expert" friend
popping off about which few countries are "allowed" to produce Disney
stories, is this: ALL of those countries/companies where Disney comics are
published have the full rights to produce their own Disney comics stories
(as long as they meet the guidelines). But most publishers choose to simply
reprint the fine work already prepared by OTHER companies since it costs
NOTHING but the price of a photostat! As we say so often, there are no
ROYALTIES paid by the licensed publisher to the producers of those stories,
so it's very cheap to use that ready-to-go work. But it's NOT that they
aren't allowed to do new stories anytime they wish. An important
differentiation, I think.
And what's all this business about Dennis the Menace? What's that
got to do with the price of tomatoes?>
Those were great lists of which countries produce new Disney stories
and which countries publish Disney comics. But the important thing to
remember, especially when you have people like Arthur's "expert" friend
popping off about which few countries are "allowed" to produce Disney
stories, is this: ALL of those countries/companies where Disney comics are
published have the full rights to produce their own Disney comics stories
(as long as they meet the guidelines). But most publishers choose to simply
reprint the fine work already prepared by OTHER companies since it costs
NOTHING but the price of a photostat! As we say so often, there are no
ROYALTIES paid by the licensed publisher to the producers of those stories,
so it's very cheap to use that ready-to-go work. But it's NOT that they
aren't allowed to do new stories anytime they wish. An important
differentiation, I think.
And what's all this business about Dennis the Menace? What's that
got to do with the price of tomatoes?>
H.W. Fluks
Germany, Finland, Iceland and Argentina
Message 133 -
1995-08-22 at 18:58:19
KNUT (about the Phantom Blot story):
> in my "I, Goofy"-book
> (yeah, I know, seems strange, but after all, Goofy is _very_ typical in
> those few panels he appears in in that story...).
Want something strange? Try the German "I, Uncle Scrooge" (Ich, Onkel
Dagobert) books! In one of them, "Donald Duck finds Pirate Gold" is
reprinted! And they even printed a few panels upside down, to make it
worse...
ART:
> Here's a list of the countries I know of:
> - Finland (???)
Aku Ankka. Our Finnish members can tell you the details.
> - Iceland (???)
Andres O"nd. We used to have an Icelandic member. What happened to Sigurdur?
And you can also add the Faeroer to your country list.
> What about Argentina? In Uncle Scrooge Adventures #34 Alberto Beccatini
> writes: "... a weekly comics magazine bearing his name (El Pato Donald)
> stated publication in Buenos Aires, Argentina. An artist named Luis
> Destuet drew original stories of the Duck from 1945 until the early 1960s."
I did not know that! Why did noone tell me before? 8-)
Original Argentinan stories from as early as 1945?
> [...] More than ten years passed before other Argentinean artists devoted
> themselves to drawing Disney comics. In 1975, the Jaime Diaz Studio
> stated producing..."
Yes, these studios and a lot of southern European studios work(ed) for
the USA, Denmark, Holland and Germany.
--Harry.
> in my "I, Goofy"-book
> (yeah, I know, seems strange, but after all, Goofy is _very_ typical in
> those few panels he appears in in that story...).
Want something strange? Try the German "I, Uncle Scrooge" (Ich, Onkel
Dagobert) books! In one of them, "Donald Duck finds Pirate Gold" is
reprinted! And they even printed a few panels upside down, to make it
worse...
ART:
> Here's a list of the countries I know of:
> - Finland (???)
Aku Ankka. Our Finnish members can tell you the details.
> - Iceland (???)
Andres O"nd. We used to have an Icelandic member. What happened to Sigurdur?
And you can also add the Faeroer to your country list.
> What about Argentina? In Uncle Scrooge Adventures #34 Alberto Beccatini
> writes: "... a weekly comics magazine bearing his name (El Pato Donald)
> stated publication in Buenos Aires, Argentina. An artist named Luis
> Destuet drew original stories of the Duck from 1945 until the early 1960s."
I did not know that! Why did noone tell me before? 8-)
Original Argentinan stories from as early as 1945?
> [...] More than ten years passed before other Argentinean artists devoted
> themselves to drawing Disney comics. In 1975, the Jaime Diaz Studio
> stated producing..."
Yes, these studios and a lot of southern European studios work(ed) for
the USA, Denmark, Holland and Germany.
--Harry.
Deckerd
Germany, Finland, Iceland and Argentina
Message 134 -
1995-08-22 at 20:00:49
> > - Iceland (???)
> Andres O"nd. We used to have an Icelandic member. What happened to Sigurdur?
>
> And you can also add the Faeroer to your country list.
>
> --Harry.
What th-?! Are there really Faeroese-language Disney comics being
published? With a population in the 50,000 range, it's hard to
imagine the circulation of a comic book for children being large
enough to be profitable. I know there are ways to produce comics
for small countries fairly cheaply, such as combining the print
run with that for one or more other languages and just changing the
black plate with the lettering at appropriate intervals. But still,
the Faeroes just seem a little _too_ small for even that.
However, Mr. Decker is an ignorant man. As I have proven many times
on this ML, I know somewhat less than everything. Could you tell me
more about Faeroese Disney comics?
There was a Faeroese guy on the ML at least as of a few months ago,
though I believe he was a student in Denmark at the time. I was in
touch with him briefly in connection with a story I was trying to
write, set in the Faeroes circa 987 AD, and I was hoping he could
help me get the background reasonably correct. But, I was a little
slow writing the story and we lost touch...(sigh).
--Dwight Decker
> Andres O"nd. We used to have an Icelandic member. What happened to Sigurdur?
>
> And you can also add the Faeroer to your country list.
>
> --Harry.
What th-?! Are there really Faeroese-language Disney comics being
published? With a population in the 50,000 range, it's hard to
imagine the circulation of a comic book for children being large
enough to be profitable. I know there are ways to produce comics
for small countries fairly cheaply, such as combining the print
run with that for one or more other languages and just changing the
black plate with the lettering at appropriate intervals. But still,
the Faeroes just seem a little _too_ small for even that.
However, Mr. Decker is an ignorant man. As I have proven many times
on this ML, I know somewhat less than everything. Could you tell me
more about Faeroese Disney comics?
There was a Faeroese guy on the ML at least as of a few months ago,
though I believe he was a student in Denmark at the time. I was in
touch with him briefly in connection with a story I was trying to
write, set in the Faeroes circa 987 AD, and I was hoping he could
help me get the background reasonably correct. But, I was a little
slow writing the story and we lost touch...(sigh).
--Dwight Decker
Arthur_de_Wolf
The Faeroe Islands?
Message 135 -
1995-08-23 at 06:29:01
Hi!
HARRY:
> And you can also add the Faeroer to your country list.
The Faeroe Islands? (Danish Faeroerne or F{roerne). Isn't that an island
group, which is an integral part of Denmark in the North Atlantic Ocean,
about midway between the Shetland Islands and Iceland, formed by a sub-
marine eruption of basalt during the Tertiary period, in which a "coal
formation" of fireclay, sandstone, shale and brown coal makes up the
secondary stratum which was afterwards topped by dolerite?
Sure! I know of those islands! But ... why do they have their own
Disney-comics if it's a part of Denmark? I know that the inhabitants are
of Scandinavian descent and still speak a modified form of the old Norse
called Faeroese! But I it's only an area of 1399 sq km (540 sq mi) with
a population (1989 estimate) of 47,800. Are you SURE of these faeroesian
Disney-Comics?
Thanx for the info on Iceland and Finland. I can add THAT to my list now!
--Arthur.
HARRY:
> And you can also add the Faeroer to your country list.
The Faeroe Islands? (Danish Faeroerne or F{roerne). Isn't that an island
group, which is an integral part of Denmark in the North Atlantic Ocean,
about midway between the Shetland Islands and Iceland, formed by a sub-
marine eruption of basalt during the Tertiary period, in which a "coal
formation" of fireclay, sandstone, shale and brown coal makes up the
secondary stratum which was afterwards topped by dolerite?
Sure! I know of those islands! But ... why do they have their own
Disney-comics if it's a part of Denmark? I know that the inhabitants are
of Scandinavian descent and still speak a modified form of the old Norse
called Faeroese! But I it's only an area of 1399 sq km (540 sq mi) with
a population (1989 estimate) of 47,800. Are you SURE of these faeroesian
Disney-Comics?
Thanx for the info on Iceland and Finland. I can add THAT to my list now!
--Arthur.