Keskustelujen arkisto

> I have a couple of Brazilian and Portuguese Disney comics.

> 1. Published by Editora Morumbi
> Printed in Brazil
> Distributed in Portugal also!

I really don't know that company. Maybe those comics are only
printed here in Brazil and production is all exported (for Editora Abril
keeps local monopoly).

> 2. Published by Abril Jovem
> Printed in Portugal
> Distributed in Brazil also!

Abril Jovem publishes all(?) Brazilian Disney comics, but I
really don't know if they *print* them in Portugal also. Disney comics
sold here are all Abril Jovem, all printed and published in Brazil.

> They BOTH have this Hlittle box with a tree inside on the cover.

So it seems to be the very same publisher with two names.
Editora Morumbi really baffled me. Abril Jovem itself is part of a much
larger publishing empire.

> > And surely Angola and Mozambique.

> So you are sure that the Brazilian comics are also sold in Angola
> and Mozambique? What about other Portuguese talking 'countries'? Like:

have no info about other Portuguese-speaking countries. Let me
check out about it.

> And what about other South American countries that are not on
> my list. Like: PERU, BOLIVIA, URUGUAY, PARAGUAY, SURINAME, NICARAGUA,
> BELIZE or SALVADOR?

Can't help very much. I've been in Paraguay and Argentina but
havent't found any Disney comics.

HARRY:

> AR 152 is the 13-page DuckTales story "The Billion-Bean Stampede" by John
> Lustig and William Van Horn.

That's exactly it. Thanks, Harry! (by the way, the story is OK)

I'm a bit behind with my list reading, so I read Arthur's question
about a supposedly different mailing list on Disney comics only
recently. Actually "student" is an alias for "minsk" and
student.docs.uu.se will probably continue to be the correct
machine to send mail to students at docs.uu.se to even after the
physical computer "minsk" is gone, and that's why I gave the address
with "student" instead of "minsk" before. I changed that because
people got confused when I said that the list address was one thing
and they saw something else in their mails all the time.

So the address in that book isn't incorrect, just currently not my
preferred way to mention the address. The information on the list
though is totally wrong as already mentioned. I know the same
erroneous info is in a book called the Internet Yellow Pages as well.
I don't know who copied whom and where they got it from in the
beginning, but many subscription requests say that they want to
subscribe to the "comics and cartoon mailing list".

No wonder many people want to unsubscribe immediately, as they think
the list is something else than it is. (And unsubscriptions should
of course be sent to the administrative address of the list:
disney-comics-REQUEST at minsk.docs.uu.se.)

-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"

Hi everyone!

I've long been a silent reader of this list. The recent discussion and
attempts of trying to compile a list of all the countries in which editions
of any appears has been interesting. In Arthur's letter on 26th August
concerning the varities of Spanish I note that he didn't mention Catalan,
and I know wonder if there's ever been an edition in that language, or are
Castillian and Catalan too closely related to render such an edition
meaningless? (There certainly appear both Castillian and Catalan
translations when it comes to books; in my own speciality, Tolkien
bibliography, I've noted both Castillian and Catalan translation though the
former ones far outnumber the latter ones.)

Then there are languages spoken in Spain: Aragonese (another
dialect/language closely related to Castillian?) and Basque (not related to
*any* other language as far as I know).

Ah, well, maybe a few words about myself before I go back lurking in my lair
again... I'm 37 years of age, work at the University library in Uppsala,
Sweden, and have the entire CBL. I did try to start collecting Disney comics
when the original series of Gladstone titles appears but eventually gave up
somewhere during the Disney company "interregnum" due to lack of space,
time, and money (my Tolkien collecting had to take precedence), though I
will certainly be looking out for any collections of Don Rosa's comics when
they finally appear.

Ake (Bertenstam)

Ake.Bertenstam at ub.uu.se

ARTHUR:

> Abril Jovem - Brazil
> Editora Morumbi - Portugal

OK, that makes more sense, at least. :)

> Have you really never heard of Editora Morumbi?

Never, never. I must check it out. Maybe Morumbi is a branch of
Editora Abril (holding of Brazil's Abril Jovem).

> What does the last 'SACAVEM' mean? Is it a place in Brazil?

It's a place in Portugal. I suppose that comic is all edited in
Portugal, while Abril Jovem ones are distributed in Brazil only.

> Pato Donald #119: D6478 Donald o Gaminhoneiro
(...)

Brazilian _Pato Donald_ #119 has been published in mid-50's and
is very rare (and, of course, it wouldn't contain a D6478). That edition
is actually Portuguese.

[]s, Paulo Barreto

Two files Fredrik sent me are now available on the ftp server
ftp.update.uu.se in the directory /pub/comics/disney.

* van-horn.index with the WVH index is updated.

* captain-kentucky.gcd is a new file with the entry in the Grand
Comics Database for Don Rosa's Captain Kentucky.

If you don't have access to ftp there are several ftpmail servers by
which you can access ftp files with ordinary mail. For example there
is the address ftpmail at ftp.sunet.se by which you could access the new
Van Horn index by sending a mail containing the following that the
address:

open ftp.update.uu.se
cd pub/comics/disney
get van-horn.index

Try sending the command "help" to get information on how to use that
service. This is slower than using ftp yourself, and uses resources
on a computer that has nothing to do with this mailing list, so please
only use this if you can't ftp things directly yourself. (This is not
the only ftpmail server which allows you to get ftp files from any ftp
server by the way.)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"

> Talking about arranging panels on pages:
>
> In the mid-60s, a lot of comics (including Barks' and Murry's) only had
> 6 panels on a 4-row page: every third panel was page-wide. Apparently,
> the editor demanded this format, because different artists (and writers)
> adopted it. Was there ever any professor (or someone else) who explained
> WHY this format was used?

Without knowing any inside details on editorial decisions at the time, I
would guess that this was some editor's idea of making a page more
attractive. I've found in my own comics writing (for independent black
and whites) that the page-wide panel has its uses for scene-setting (i.e.,
establishing shots) or group scenes or lengthy dialogue, since a single
panel amounting to one-sixth of the page just isn't large enough for very
much art, and besides, a six-panel page, every page, can be pretty monotonous.
The page-wide panel breaks up the pattern and gives the eye something new
and interesting to look at. For Disney-type comics working with a standard
eight-panel grid, the same only more so. I'd guess the editor decided that
eight-panel pages were dull and dictated that they should be broken up.
That it would be so arbitrary: six panels per four-tier page, every third
panel spanning the page, whether it made sense for the story or not, is
surprising, but it supports my suspicion that after Western took over
comics publishing from Dell, the art directors took over as well. Western
tried a number of experiments with comic-book design (such as briefly
eliminating ruled panel borders) suggesting that people trained in
commercial art and book production but not familiar with (or at least not
stuck to) comic-book tradition were making the design decisions. Sometimes
it worked very well (Western had the most sophisticated covers of any
company at the time -- amazing what typesetting instead of hand-lettering
can do), and sometimes it didn't. This may have been one of the didn'ts.

For our overseas friends, I'll just mention that when we say "Western,"
we mean '60s comic books with the "Gold Key" imprint, published by
Western Publishing.

--Dwight Decker

Hi!

PAULO:
Okay! So let me try to put it all together now. A large publishing
empire that produces a lot of Spanish comics and uses a little box
with a tree inside on the cover, has a lot of smaller publishers
in Brazil itself, and other countries. (The ones from Colombia also
are from this company). 'Pato Donald' has two versions. One is published
by Abril Jovem in Brazil. And the other is published by Editora Morumbi
in Portugal. The Editora Morumbi-comic is not as long running as
the 'Pato Donald' from Abril Jovem. That's because you said that
Pato Donald #119 was published in the 50s in Brazil. My Portuguese
PD#119 is from 1985. That means that in the past, Portugal got
their 'Pato Donald'-comics from Brazil, but only recently (maybe
in 1980), they get 'Pato Donald'-comics from a publisher called
Editora Morumbi. Other comics, like 'Margarida', are Brazilian comics
from Abril Jovem, that are distributed in Portugal.

Am I right?

AKE:
> In Arthur's letter on 26th August concerning the varities of Spanish I
> note that he didn't mention Catalan.

You're right. Catalan Language is a language that originated in
Catalonia, a region in northeastern Spain. Catalan is spoken, in Spain,
in the provinces of Gerona, Lerida, Barcelona, Tarragona, Castellon,
Valencia, Alicante, and the Balearic Islands; in France, in nearly the
whole of the Pyrenees-Orientales; and in parts of Cuba and Argentina.

> There certainly appear both Castillian and Catalan translations when it
> comes to books

The Catalan language is a Romance language. For years some philologists
held that it was merely a dialectal offshoot of Provencal and that during
the Middle Ages it had raised itself for a time to the dignity of a
literary language.

> Then there are languages spoken in Spain: Aragonese
> (another dialect/language closely related to Castillian?)

I don't know. Aragon is an autonomous region and former kingdom in
northeastern Spain, bordering on the Pyrenees Mountains. It has a
population of (1986) 1,214,729.

Do you think that there are special Disney comics for a population
of 1,200,000? But then again, I'd never thought of Faeroesian and
Laplandish Disney comics!

> ... and Basque (not related to *any* other language as far as I know).

Although Basque is one of the oldest historically documented languages,
Basque literature is meager. The first Basque book on record was printed
in 1545.

Following the Spanish civil war (1936-39), the regime of Francisco Franco
in Spain suppressed the use of Basque. Many present-day Basques are
attempting to revive the language.

So I don't think there are any Basque Disney comics.

GIAFRANCO (in a letter to me!):
> I supppose the copies of Topolino you have were ppublished by the old
> publisher "Arnoldo Mondadori". Now Topolino is published by The Walt
> Disney Company Italy. So something is changed (maybe in worse, if
> possible... ask to Don which is the real face of the Walt
> Disney co.!...).

So, Don? Can you tell us which is the real face of the WD Company?

> Today I know "Topolino" is sold in Belgium, France, Germany, Luxembourg,
> Grait Britain (distributeed by A.I.E, an Italian agency); in Switzerland
> (distributed by Egmont)

Thank you for all of this (and more) information you sent me. I can put
it all in my list!

--Arthur.