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Greg Kay
I just received CBL in Color 41 and it looks to me that page 3
of the "Fraidy Falcon" story has been redrawn. Can anyone confirm
this? Does anyone know why the redrawing had to be done?

Thanks.

Greg Kay.
Daniel Van Eijmeren
GREG KAY:

> I just received CBL in Color 41 and it looks to me that page 3
> of the "Fraidy Falcon" story has been redrawn. Can anyone confirm
> this?

Well, I have looked in the original CBL and I can confirm it. But I
think it's not redrawn, but "restored" (only parts of the art
redrawn). It's done in a very bad way IHMO. There are more stories
like that in the CBL. :-(

So, this will be another story which must be noted in the list of CBL-
changes somewhere on that ftp-something thing.

> Does anyone know why the redrawing had to be done?

Well, I think that they couldn't get better xeroxes or photostats of
the original story.

It's all sad, but true...

--- Daniel
Mike Pohjola
ALL:
Sorry everybody for that first letter I wrote yesterday. When first
writing it I set the address as Don Rosa, thinking the message would contain
only matters not of any interest to the rest of the list but then noticed
it wasn't so and added the list to the address, but forgot to change the
contents and I hadn't slept in days and... Sorry, anyway.

PER and DANIEL:
>Also, why instruct them to write "REQUEST <enter> DIGEST <enter> or
>some such gibberish? It won't make me any happier. Just tell people
>who might be interested in the list that there's a discussion list on
>Disney comics and that they can join it by sending a request to
>disney-comics-request at minsk.docs.uu.se. Simple as that.

Hmm... But the fact is that hardly a handful of Disney fans know
about Internet and of those even less can use it or know it's terms. And
the term "discussion list" would not be too clear to the majority of the
readers and disney-comics-request would get a whole bunch of fan-letters
from people who have used all their money to get an e-mail access for
having an intellectual and interesting to both sides conversation with
Don Rosa on-line. (I know I would..:-)

--

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Hi all!

What follows here is another Dutch-English translation of lists
which Harry once made. If you see a mistake or something missing,
please let me know.

And then two questions: In which story did Miss Quackfaster appear for
the first time? And in which story the "pig-villian"?

Greetings,

--- Daniel

======================================================================

FIRST APPEARANCES
-----------------

In this paragraph the stories are listed in which Barks introduced
characters of his own.

Neighbour Jones WDC 34 <good deeds>
Gladstone Gander WDC 88 <bets>
Junior Woodchucks WDC 125 <frostbite pass>
Beagle Boys WDC 134 <automatic cannon>
Money bin WDC 135 <new money bin>
Gyro Gearloose WDC 140 <gladstone's dime>
April, May and June WDC 149 <flipism>
Official Woodchuck hound WDC 213 <spring house cleaning>
Scrooge McDuck OS 178a "Christmas on Bear Mountain"
Scrooge's "worry room" US 5a <secret of atlantis>
Junior Woodchucks guide book US 5a <secret of atlantis>
Gyro's little helper US 15g <cat-language>
Flintheart Glomgold US 15a "The Second Richest Duck"
Magica the Spell US 36a "The Midas Touch"
Scrooge's first dime OS 495b "watertank money-bin"

In US 6a <valley of trala-la> the Junior Woodchuck's guide book is
first called by name. The first appearance of April, May and June was
without their names mentioned.

RECYCLED STORIES
----------------

A number of stories of the late '50s are adaptations of older
stories. In this paragraph these stories are listed together with
their originals.

story: original:

WDC 186 <taxi's on ice> WDC 45 "Rival Boatmen"
WDC 190 <submacycle> WDC 54 <ice-skating>
WDC 197 <border patrolman> WDC 94 <sausage-smuggling>
WDC 212 <race around the world> WDC 93 <race to mars>
WDC 215 <echo-land for sale> WDC 105 <echo-business>
WDC 217 <theater: apple> WDC 128 <theater: dragon>
WDC 219 <taming a coyote> WDC 59 <taming a horse>
WDC 224 <beachcombers' picnic> WDC 117 <hunting daisies>
WDC 228 <watchful parents club> WDC 58 <grand canyon>
WDC 229 "The Good Deeds" WDC 34 <good deeds>
WDC 231 "The Wax Museum" WDC 89 <nightwatchman>
WDC 235 "Want to Buy an Island?" WDC 81 <lost turk gold mine>
WDC 236 "Froggy Farmer" WDC 77 <giant bugs>
WDC 243 "Turkey Trouble" WDC 143 <gems>
WDC 248 "Terrible Tourist" u-WDC 64 <christmas violence>
DD 54 "Forbidden Valley" MOC 20 "Darkest Africa"
US 20a "City of Golden Roofs" OS 263a "Land of the Totem Poles"
US 6b <old man fox> OG 35b <digging in the garden>
US 30b "Yoicks, the Fox" WDC 98 <fox hunting>
US 34b "Chugwagon Derby" OS 29b "The Hard Loser"

======================================================================
Cdoberman
In a message dated 95-08-14 15:46:22 EDT, mikep at freenet.hut.fi (Mike Pohjola)
writes:

>hardly a handful of Disney fans know
>about Internet and of those even less can use it or know it's terms. And
>the term "discussion list" would not be too clear to the majority of the
>readers and disney-comics-request would get a whole bunch of fan-letters
>from people who have used all their money to get an e-mail access for
>having an intellectual and interesting to both sides conversation with
>Don Rosa on-line. (I know I would..:-)

Mike: Per is right. What I did was write a letter to Gladstone's U$ comic
and included my e-mail address. I let those who wrote me know about the
newsgroup, and quite a few of them are now on the list, probably pretty bored
by this conversation. It worked well. Many of them sent me messages of
praise for Don, which he asked that I forward on to him, and I suspect they
got a SURPRISE letter from Don. What your doing is not that big a deal.
Just 1) put your own address on it, or 2) do as Per suggests, or 3) if Don
says go ahead and give his address, then do that, and HE can refer them to
the group. My suggestions are in the above order as I would recommend them.

Wes
Arthur_de_Wolf
DON:
> Gladstone's license for the Disney stuff covers all of North
> America, Australia, New Zealand and other areas of the South Pacific.

AHA, so that's it. Thanx for the explanation. Greg said, that a couple
of years ago, they DID have Australian Disney comics:

GREG:
> There were comics published here a number of years ago by a company
> called W.G. Publications.

Thank U 4 the explanation 2.

> If you would like to e-mail me your postal address I'm sure I could
> send you a copy for your collection. We may even be able to do a swap.

That would be GREAT. You should have seen my letter on your private
e-mail address by now. Just tell me what you want from me!

--Arthur.
Peter Connee
Is it possible to get this maillist in Digest-version.
Peter Connee
Serief?rlaget Egmont Privat: Box 1552
205 08 MALM? 221 01 LUND
Tel: 0708-400 399, Fax: 0708-400 398 Tel 046-29 32 00
Internet: connee at algonet.se
Peter Connee
I am looking for birthdays for the Disney characters. Anyone to help me?

Peter Connee
Serief?rlaget Egmont Privat: Box 1552
205 08 MALM? 221 01 LUND
Tel: 0708-400 399, Fax: 0708-400 398 Tel 046-29 32 00
Internet: connee at algonet.se
Gilbert Roser
PER:
>
> If it was a recent translation of WDC 55 you read, maybe the reason
> the German translation said uncle was because the translator (is it
> still Erika Fuchs?) gleaned at Don's tree.

Dr. Erika Fuchs has retired some years ago. She was the regular
translator for German publishing of Disney stories, especially Barks'
duck stories for which she gained much fame by the German fans.
But for the German publishing of the Carl Barks Library in color she was
asked to retranslate the stories which were translated by others or
translate the stories which were never published before in Germany.
Because of her accept the CBL in German will be a Dr. Erika Fuchs CBL.

-- Gilbert
Augie De Blieck Jr.
Quite honestly, I didn't enjoy this issue too terribly much.

First of all, Monarch of Medioka is finally concluded. Now I guess I can
pull out the last year's worth of issues and read the whole shebang.
Hopefully, I'll like it.

Wm. Van Horn's "The Yawn Patrol" was nothing too special. For one he's
already done a sleeping story back in the Disney days, which I thought
was great. It had some inventive panel layouts and was a generally good
story. This one falls flat. The drawings of $crooge are generally
(there's that word again) awful. The opening splash, for instance, is
horrible.

Oh, well. I can't wait for #600!

-Augie
P.S. At least it had a letters column!
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Per Starback
New list-member Peter Connee wrote:
> I am looking for birthdays for the Disney characters. Anyone to help me?

Well, do you mean inside the frame or outside the frame? (And from
what sources?) I don't think there's any internal evidence of what
the birthdays are for *any* characters in Barks's stories for
example.

> Peter Connee
> Serieforlaget Egmont

Welcome again! What do you do there?

-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Cdoberman
In a message dated 95-08-15 12:31:09 EDT, adebliec at future.internexus.net
(Augie De Blieck Jr.) writes:

> Monarch of Medioka is finally concluded. Now I guess I can
>pull out the last year's worth of issues and read the whole shebang.
>Hopefully, I'll like it.

Augie:

I couldn't agree more. In fact, I did try to read the whole thing, but I
fell asleep. I can't believe they spent an entire year giving us this story.
Yes, it's good; but a whole year? I'd much rather have smaller art, then
to spend a year getting this one story.
Deckerd
> Dr. Erika Fuchs has retired some years ago. She was the regular
> translator for German publishing of Disney stories, especially Barks'
> duck stories for which she gained much fame by the German fans.
> But for the German publishing of the Carl Barks Library in color she was
> asked to retranslate the stories which were translated by others or
> translate the stories which were never published before in Germany.
> Because of her accept the CBL in German will be a Dr. Erika Fuchs CBL.
>
> -- Gilbert

Yeah, for German Duck fans, Dr. Erika Fuchs's translations are kind of
the King James Version of Barks stories. She was a teacher, I believe,
who took her pedagogical training seriously, and felt the language
used in comics should be educational as well as entertaining. It's
hard to convey the flavor of her translations in English, but they were
literate, and often used proverbs and literary allusions. Not quite the
slangy, colloquial style Barks wrote, but effective in its own way. For
German fans who grew up on her versions of Barks's stories, they're just
as "official" as the originals. Thus the demand for her work in the
German edition of the CBL.

I read in a European fanzine that Barks visited Dr. Fuchs when he was
over there last year. She isn't a whole lot younger than he is (late
80s, I think). He took her flowers and the account almost made it sound
like a young man shyly calling on a young lady.

When I went through Hamburg last year, I picked up a special 60th
Birthday of Donald Duck album. Besides reprinting Don Rosa's Duck
version of It's a Wonderful Life, the book printed a Barks story that
had never been printed in Germany before (the "Milkman" story that
Western rejected) with a brand new Erika Fuchs translation. That she
had done the translation seemed to be considered one of the selling
points, just under the fact that it was a Barks story never before
seen in that part of the world.

Translators are usually anonymous drudges. At best, a good translator
is completely invisible: if he's doing his job well, you shouldn't
even be aware he's there. At worst, a bad translator can kill a story.
It's nice to see a good translator getting the acclaim she deserves!

--Dwight Decker
>
Amber Dalling
I am interested in being on the mailing list for disney comics and
cartoons. Here is my E-mail address:

assume at ix.netcom.com
Danny Coenen
DON:
What I meant with Scrooge getting rich so *QUICKLY* (within two years
he already had one million Dollars) was *AFTER* those 20 years of
struggle, I didn`t mean the hole time.

ARTHUR:
At least I never saw any Disney comics the times I`ve been to Kenya.
(The last time was just two weeks ago). But would you give away money
for comic books if you only earned about 80$ a month??? But I`ll
have a look at it when I go there next time. (Scrooge speaking
Swahili- interesting idea!)

PER:
That translation of "Donald learns the Ropes" is from 1959, so Erika
Fuchs had no chance to look into Don`s work. And I don`t think
that she does so even today when she translates the last few unpublished
stories for the German Barks Library, as she is *ONLY* responsible for
Barks stories and not for others.

Danny Coenen
f.coenen at kfa-juelich.de
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