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Message 16 -
1995-09-02 at 19:48:51
Please remove me from your mailing list. Thank you.
L.Gori
Romano Scarpa
Message 17 -
1995-09-02 at 21:16:01
Hi!
Can anyone tell me about the appreciation in US of Romano Scarpa's classic
stories printed by Gladstone?
P.S.: I'd like to receive informations about classic comic strips
(syndicated) in the NET. Thanks!
Can anyone tell me about the appreciation in US of Romano Scarpa's classic
stories printed by Gladstone?
P.S.: I'd like to receive informations about classic comic strips
(syndicated) in the NET. Thanks!
Lauri Laakso - Platinum Software - Llaakso
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1995-09-03 at 10:54:24
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Even Flood
Unsubscriptions, SmartList, name change???
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1995-09-03 at 19:08:40
I always thought the main reason for all the
unsubcriptions at this time of the year is the
number of students leaving universities and colleges
and losing their mail account without leaving their lists,
thus leaving it to the postmaster to unsubscribe them.
Which they do by sending messages to the list
as the do not know better and finding out is too
cumbersome.
Automatic filtering would be a great help.
Name change might also be considered, but to what?
$crooge-comics would be a good name for the list, but
has disadvantages - he is only a part of the topics discussed
here. Gladstone-Comics has the same problem. Any name
with adresses publishers or characters would have that problem.
Maybe we could have a competition. Best suggestion for
title gets a free subscription:-)
Even
unsubcriptions at this time of the year is the
number of students leaving universities and colleges
and losing their mail account without leaving their lists,
thus leaving it to the postmaster to unsubscribe them.
Which they do by sending messages to the list
as the do not know better and finding out is too
cumbersome.
Automatic filtering would be a great help.
Name change might also be considered, but to what?
$crooge-comics would be a good name for the list, but
has disadvantages - he is only a part of the topics discussed
here. Gladstone-Comics has the same problem. Any name
with adresses publishers or characters would have that problem.
Maybe we could have a competition. Best suggestion for
title gets a free subscription:-)
Even
Dave Rawson
59 countries so far!
Message 20 -
1995-09-04 at 10:49:14
Thanks to the wolfman, Arthur_de_Wolf <wolfman at pi.net>, for the list of
countries where Disney character comics are available. This is quite a few
more than I realized. Any idea how many languages that would work out to?
(I'd guess, but I don't know my european laguage groups in some of the
countries.)
BTW, for those of you wanting to unsubscribe, the simple instructions are
given as the FIRST LINE OF EVERY MESSAGE YOU GET. But then, since you're
obviously not reading these messages, you won't read this either. So nyah,
nyah, nyah! :)
... Comics never were JUST for kids...
* Evaluation copy of Silver Xpress. Day # 31
--- via Silver Xpress V4.01 [NR]
countries where Disney character comics are available. This is quite a few
more than I realized. Any idea how many languages that would work out to?
(I'd guess, but I don't know my european laguage groups in some of the
countries.)
BTW, for those of you wanting to unsubscribe, the simple instructions are
given as the FIRST LINE OF EVERY MESSAGE YOU GET. But then, since you're
obviously not reading these messages, you won't read this either. So nyah,
nyah, nyah! :)
... Comics never were JUST for kids...
* Evaluation copy of Silver Xpress. Day # 31
--- via Silver Xpress V4.01 [NR]
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1995-09-04 at 12:00:26
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Lutz Koch
L&T of $McD - German Edition Vol. VI in stores
Message 22 -
1995-09-04 at 13:12:40
The final volume of Ehapa's German edition of Don Rosa's "The Life and Times of
Scrooge McDuck", containing chapters 11 and 12, is now available in German comic
stores and many general bookstores. Unlike the earlier chapters, these two had
not been previously published in the Micky Maus weekly.
COMIC SPEEDLINE, a bimonthly German magazine, commemorates the event in the
August/September issue with a 6-page article which shortly describes Don Rosa's
career since his first Duck story in 1987. One page - bearing the headline
"Stages of his Life" - is dedicated to $crooge himself, summarizing the various
periods of his life as described in the 12 chapters, and also mentions the
Barksian sources (first U.S. and first German printing) for many key events. The
final entry is "1947-67" (falsely called "the fourth quarter of his life" when
it's actually one fifth...), and to prove the validity of the year 1967 as the
time of $crooge's death, the article also contains Don Rosa's famous drawing of
Donald, Daisy and HDL standing at $crooge's grave ("1867-1967").
Also just published in Germany: The Directory of Carl Barks' Complete Comic
Works ("Carl Barks Werkverzeichnis der Comics"), by Johnny Grote (Ed.), 400 pg.,
b/w, DM 49,80 (Ehapa).
This book contains a chronological listing of all U.S. first printings (Four
Color, DD, U$, WDC, Specials), showing the cover of each comic book and the
first panel of each story, plus summaries of all stories, and also mentions all
U.S. and German reprints as well as all known modifications that have been made
to the stories on either their original or subsequent printings.
-----------------------------------
So much for the "newscast" part of this message. :)
DON:
Congratulations on chapters 11 & 12. They are fantastic. (Yeah, I know, I always
say I love your stuff, and you are already bored hearing me say it... <g>) No
spoilers here, as many on the list might not yet have seen these stories, but
you definitely hit the right notes. I'd been wondering for a long time how you
would portray the middle-aged $crooge who's already rich and still wants to get
richer, and I must say you did it the way I had hoped you would. I'm not
surprised that they didn't print these two in the MM weekly.
Next time I read this album I think I'll have Bernard Herrmann's "Citizen Kane"
score play in the background. That should be a nice touch... ;)
--Lutz
Scrooge McDuck", containing chapters 11 and 12, is now available in German comic
stores and many general bookstores. Unlike the earlier chapters, these two had
not been previously published in the Micky Maus weekly.
COMIC SPEEDLINE, a bimonthly German magazine, commemorates the event in the
August/September issue with a 6-page article which shortly describes Don Rosa's
career since his first Duck story in 1987. One page - bearing the headline
"Stages of his Life" - is dedicated to $crooge himself, summarizing the various
periods of his life as described in the 12 chapters, and also mentions the
Barksian sources (first U.S. and first German printing) for many key events. The
final entry is "1947-67" (falsely called "the fourth quarter of his life" when
it's actually one fifth...), and to prove the validity of the year 1967 as the
time of $crooge's death, the article also contains Don Rosa's famous drawing of
Donald, Daisy and HDL standing at $crooge's grave ("1867-1967").
Also just published in Germany: The Directory of Carl Barks' Complete Comic
Works ("Carl Barks Werkverzeichnis der Comics"), by Johnny Grote (Ed.), 400 pg.,
b/w, DM 49,80 (Ehapa).
This book contains a chronological listing of all U.S. first printings (Four
Color, DD, U$, WDC, Specials), showing the cover of each comic book and the
first panel of each story, plus summaries of all stories, and also mentions all
U.S. and German reprints as well as all known modifications that have been made
to the stories on either their original or subsequent printings.
-----------------------------------
So much for the "newscast" part of this message. :)
DON:
Congratulations on chapters 11 & 12. They are fantastic. (Yeah, I know, I always
say I love your stuff, and you are already bored hearing me say it... <g>) No
spoilers here, as many on the list might not yet have seen these stories, but
you definitely hit the right notes. I'd been wondering for a long time how you
would portray the middle-aged $crooge who's already rich and still wants to get
richer, and I must say you did it the way I had hoped you would. I'm not
surprised that they didn't print these two in the MM weekly.
Next time I read this album I think I'll have Bernard Herrmann's "Citizen Kane"
score play in the background. That should be a nice touch... ;)
--Lutz
Frank Stajano
Scarpa's "periods" and more
Message 23 -
1995-09-04 at 13:59:06
Hi all! Back from hols, busy trying to catch up with the past digests! :-)
Kathy, to Don, #759:
>"Cashflow" is the story in which you (I believe) created the
>frustrated inventor who struggles ever to create "odorless cabbage"
>and had created instead the weapons that enabled the Beagle Boys
>to have "cashflow", and he has been in more than one story.
I don't know about "cashflow" (I hope I'll read that story one day),
but the inventor who wants to make "fumeless cabbage" was created by
Carl Barks in a classical 1955 story, "Uncle Scrooge the Mysterious
Unfinished Invention" [originally in US#8, reprinted in US#111]. This
story contains one of my favorite panels: the doctor visits Scrooge
and notices that his skin is full of gold dust, so he says "I don't
understand how you got that way! Do you ROLL in money?" And Scrooge, a
bit uneasy, putting his clothes back on: "We won't discuss that!
(Coff! Coff!)". Brilliant!
Lutz (to me), #759:
Glad to see that you share my theory about "the Genesis effect" of
Don's stories! :-)
Don, to Kathy, #760:
>If you can wait, Gladstone will begin reprinting all of my
>stories in album form in about 1 1/2 years or so.
That sounds like a route I too could follow to catch up on your past
work, Don -- although I'm not sure I want to wait that long. By the
way, one question for you: which one do you personally consider "the
original edition" of a given story you write? The
Danish/German/whatever comic that FOR THE FIRST TIME publishes it, or
the American comic that first carries the story with the characters
speaking with the same English words as you originally wrote, with no
translation in between?
Harry, to me, #760:
(re: Romano Scarpa)
>I saw his work in a reprint of Topolino #500 (I think), one of the
>celebration stories. His Ducks were way too long, with too big behinds.
>Really awful!
If it was TL 500, you must be referring to "Paperino e
l'impareggiabile Rob", a story where Donald is overwhelmed with work
and gets a robot from Gyro to help him out. It is true that this was
a period in which Scarpa used to draw "tall" ducks, although I
strongly disagree with your "awful" -- I actually liked this
style. But it was, I agree, a peculiar period: his best was yet to
come. I call it the "Dirty, Modernizing" period.
Here is my personal breakdown of Scarpa's periods; of course, anything
involving aesthetic judgement is going to be highly personal, so your
mileage may vary and you may disagree with some or all of my
classification. Note that the boundaries between the periods are based
primarily on art, not scripts. Of course the transitions are never as
abrupt as the years seem to indicate -- there is substantial
overlap. The names identifying the periods are of my invention. For
the references I am indebted to Alberto Becattini's excellent
chronology of Scarpa's work; I have read all the stories I quote, of
course, but sometimes only in a reprint.
1953 - 1963 : Ancient.
His mice start out very Gottfredson-like; indeed, many readers thought
his stories were actually from Gottfredson himself. The stroke is
spiky but attractive. His ducks are peculiar, sort of squeezed. In
this period he writes some of his best plots, although he hasn't yet
attained his graphical apogee.
Sample stories:
Topolino e il mistero di Tapioco VI, TL 142-142 (1956)
Topolino e l'unghia di Kali`, TL 183-184 (1958)
Topolino e la dimensione Delta, TL 206-207 (1959)
1963 - 1966 : Dirty, Modernizing.
This is a transition phase. The characters are drawn very dynamically,
so much so that they sometimes look slightly out of proportion. They
seem to want to grow out of the simpler and more naive shapes they had
in the preceding period and the nervous stroke is part of the
attractiveness of this otherwise minor phase.
Sample stories:
Paperina e i gemelli veneziani, TL 424 (1964)
Zio Paperone e le uova di esportazione, AT 10/1965 (1965)
Paperino allievo scroccone, TL 548 (1966)
1967 - 1973 : Archetypal.
Graphically, this is Scarpa at his best. An uncluttered, neat, elegant
stroke with beautiful proportions. To me, very few Disney artists have
ever come close to this perfection. And it sure didn't hurt that the
great Giorgio Cavazzano, then at the start of his career and virtually
unknown, was inking his pencils.
Sample stories:
Topolino e il terribile Kala-Mit, TL 610-611 (1967)
Topolino e la bussola del Khan, TL 670 (1968)
Paperino e la triscaidecafobia, TL 718 (1969)
Paperinik torna a colpire, TL 788-789 (1971)
Pippo e i parastinchi di Olympia, CWD 45 (1972)
1974 - 1983 : Maturity.
A long period of consistently good art. The style and proportions are
those perfected in the Archetipal period, although there is that
little bit that is different. Hard to precisely define the boundaries
of this period.
Sample stories:
Topolino e la "Magnon 777", TL 1027-1028 (1975)
Zio Paperone e il casco d'oro, TL 1061-1062 (1976)
La storia di Marco Polo detta Il Milione, TL 1409-1412 (1982)
1984 - now : Modern.
Same proportions again but the stroke becomes heavier; the characters
are simpler, more rubber-like. In this phase many new young artists
start to take him as a model and there almost is an inflation of
would-be Scarpas (not as many as the would-be Cavazzanos though!)
Perhaps due to this, there is in some stories a certain feeling of
tiredness in the art, which however disappears in others, most notably
in those beautiful long stories where the Master writes his own
plot. In this period he also introduces the "strip stories", a tribute
to the Gottfredson days.
Sample stories:
Venezia e i tesori de' Paperoni, TL 1524-1525 (1985)
Le Paperolimpiadi, TL 1705-1712 (1988)
Topolino e la banda dello sternuto, TL 1800-1810 (1990)
It must be noted that the differences between Archetipal, Maturity and
Modern are in fact rather subtle when compared to the differences with
and between the previous periods. If one wanted to simplify, one could
identify only two periods, the "old" one with the best plots and the
"new" one with the best art, with the boundary somewhere around
1966-1967.
>Everything one doesn't know looks the same...
So true! The same happened to me with the D and H stories.
>If you had posted a message yourself to rec.arts.disney or so, one of us
>would have sent you a message about this list! We did that before,
Sad to think I missed that chance! :-(
Knuth, to me, #761:
("Mickey Mouse outwits the Phantom Blot")
>The USA version had even
>more of those devilish plans to kill MM and had quite big changes in the
>order in which those plans appeared. Of course, I realize the USA version is
>probably the more original. When I find that book again, I'll be back with
>some more specific questions...
Because it's so scary for a kid, with all those terrible killing
machines, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that this story has been
edited heavily in its various reprints. And I suspect that in many
cases the editors have decided not to reprint it at all. But it's a
wonderful story and any Gottfredson fan will rank it highly.
Of course, as you say, the original version is the USA one. It was a
series of daily strips running from 1939.05.20 to 1939.09.09. To check
the consistency of your edition, look out for the small numbers in the
panels: every strip (generally four panels wide) has a date, with the
year in the (c) message and month-date written by hand. The original
has 6 strips per week, so if you see anything that's missing and it
wasn't a Sunday, then, well, you've found some censored panels.
Gianfranco, quoted by Arthur, #769:
> Today I know "Topolino" is sold in Belgium, France, Germany, Luxembourg,
> Grait Britain (distributeed by A.I.E, an Italian agency); in Switzerland
This is what it says in the inside back cover, but in actual fact I
have _never_ seen a copy of Topolino on sale at any newsagent in the
U.K. I get my copy by subscription. Maybe Cambridge is outside the
distribution circuit? Maybe you can find Topolino in London? Hmmm...
By the way, does anybody else on this list live in the U.K.? If so,
where do you get your Disney comics from? The only two comics I can
find at the local newsagents are two childish things, mostly rubbish:
"Disney and friends" and another one I can't remember.
Frank (Filologo Disneyano)
Kathy, to Don, #759:
>"Cashflow" is the story in which you (I believe) created the
>frustrated inventor who struggles ever to create "odorless cabbage"
>and had created instead the weapons that enabled the Beagle Boys
>to have "cashflow", and he has been in more than one story.
I don't know about "cashflow" (I hope I'll read that story one day),
but the inventor who wants to make "fumeless cabbage" was created by
Carl Barks in a classical 1955 story, "Uncle Scrooge the Mysterious
Unfinished Invention" [originally in US#8, reprinted in US#111]. This
story contains one of my favorite panels: the doctor visits Scrooge
and notices that his skin is full of gold dust, so he says "I don't
understand how you got that way! Do you ROLL in money?" And Scrooge, a
bit uneasy, putting his clothes back on: "We won't discuss that!
(Coff! Coff!)". Brilliant!
Lutz (to me), #759:
Glad to see that you share my theory about "the Genesis effect" of
Don's stories! :-)
Don, to Kathy, #760:
>If you can wait, Gladstone will begin reprinting all of my
>stories in album form in about 1 1/2 years or so.
That sounds like a route I too could follow to catch up on your past
work, Don -- although I'm not sure I want to wait that long. By the
way, one question for you: which one do you personally consider "the
original edition" of a given story you write? The
Danish/German/whatever comic that FOR THE FIRST TIME publishes it, or
the American comic that first carries the story with the characters
speaking with the same English words as you originally wrote, with no
translation in between?
Harry, to me, #760:
(re: Romano Scarpa)
>I saw his work in a reprint of Topolino #500 (I think), one of the
>celebration stories. His Ducks were way too long, with too big behinds.
>Really awful!
If it was TL 500, you must be referring to "Paperino e
l'impareggiabile Rob", a story where Donald is overwhelmed with work
and gets a robot from Gyro to help him out. It is true that this was
a period in which Scarpa used to draw "tall" ducks, although I
strongly disagree with your "awful" -- I actually liked this
style. But it was, I agree, a peculiar period: his best was yet to
come. I call it the "Dirty, Modernizing" period.
Here is my personal breakdown of Scarpa's periods; of course, anything
involving aesthetic judgement is going to be highly personal, so your
mileage may vary and you may disagree with some or all of my
classification. Note that the boundaries between the periods are based
primarily on art, not scripts. Of course the transitions are never as
abrupt as the years seem to indicate -- there is substantial
overlap. The names identifying the periods are of my invention. For
the references I am indebted to Alberto Becattini's excellent
chronology of Scarpa's work; I have read all the stories I quote, of
course, but sometimes only in a reprint.
1953 - 1963 : Ancient.
His mice start out very Gottfredson-like; indeed, many readers thought
his stories were actually from Gottfredson himself. The stroke is
spiky but attractive. His ducks are peculiar, sort of squeezed. In
this period he writes some of his best plots, although he hasn't yet
attained his graphical apogee.
Sample stories:
Topolino e il mistero di Tapioco VI, TL 142-142 (1956)
Topolino e l'unghia di Kali`, TL 183-184 (1958)
Topolino e la dimensione Delta, TL 206-207 (1959)
1963 - 1966 : Dirty, Modernizing.
This is a transition phase. The characters are drawn very dynamically,
so much so that they sometimes look slightly out of proportion. They
seem to want to grow out of the simpler and more naive shapes they had
in the preceding period and the nervous stroke is part of the
attractiveness of this otherwise minor phase.
Sample stories:
Paperina e i gemelli veneziani, TL 424 (1964)
Zio Paperone e le uova di esportazione, AT 10/1965 (1965)
Paperino allievo scroccone, TL 548 (1966)
1967 - 1973 : Archetypal.
Graphically, this is Scarpa at his best. An uncluttered, neat, elegant
stroke with beautiful proportions. To me, very few Disney artists have
ever come close to this perfection. And it sure didn't hurt that the
great Giorgio Cavazzano, then at the start of his career and virtually
unknown, was inking his pencils.
Sample stories:
Topolino e il terribile Kala-Mit, TL 610-611 (1967)
Topolino e la bussola del Khan, TL 670 (1968)
Paperino e la triscaidecafobia, TL 718 (1969)
Paperinik torna a colpire, TL 788-789 (1971)
Pippo e i parastinchi di Olympia, CWD 45 (1972)
1974 - 1983 : Maturity.
A long period of consistently good art. The style and proportions are
those perfected in the Archetipal period, although there is that
little bit that is different. Hard to precisely define the boundaries
of this period.
Sample stories:
Topolino e la "Magnon 777", TL 1027-1028 (1975)
Zio Paperone e il casco d'oro, TL 1061-1062 (1976)
La storia di Marco Polo detta Il Milione, TL 1409-1412 (1982)
1984 - now : Modern.
Same proportions again but the stroke becomes heavier; the characters
are simpler, more rubber-like. In this phase many new young artists
start to take him as a model and there almost is an inflation of
would-be Scarpas (not as many as the would-be Cavazzanos though!)
Perhaps due to this, there is in some stories a certain feeling of
tiredness in the art, which however disappears in others, most notably
in those beautiful long stories where the Master writes his own
plot. In this period he also introduces the "strip stories", a tribute
to the Gottfredson days.
Sample stories:
Venezia e i tesori de' Paperoni, TL 1524-1525 (1985)
Le Paperolimpiadi, TL 1705-1712 (1988)
Topolino e la banda dello sternuto, TL 1800-1810 (1990)
It must be noted that the differences between Archetipal, Maturity and
Modern are in fact rather subtle when compared to the differences with
and between the previous periods. If one wanted to simplify, one could
identify only two periods, the "old" one with the best plots and the
"new" one with the best art, with the boundary somewhere around
1966-1967.
>Everything one doesn't know looks the same...
So true! The same happened to me with the D and H stories.
>If you had posted a message yourself to rec.arts.disney or so, one of us
>would have sent you a message about this list! We did that before,
Sad to think I missed that chance! :-(
Knuth, to me, #761:
("Mickey Mouse outwits the Phantom Blot")
>The USA version had even
>more of those devilish plans to kill MM and had quite big changes in the
>order in which those plans appeared. Of course, I realize the USA version is
>probably the more original. When I find that book again, I'll be back with
>some more specific questions...
Because it's so scary for a kid, with all those terrible killing
machines, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that this story has been
edited heavily in its various reprints. And I suspect that in many
cases the editors have decided not to reprint it at all. But it's a
wonderful story and any Gottfredson fan will rank it highly.
Of course, as you say, the original version is the USA one. It was a
series of daily strips running from 1939.05.20 to 1939.09.09. To check
the consistency of your edition, look out for the small numbers in the
panels: every strip (generally four panels wide) has a date, with the
year in the (c) message and month-date written by hand. The original
has 6 strips per week, so if you see anything that's missing and it
wasn't a Sunday, then, well, you've found some censored panels.
Gianfranco, quoted by Arthur, #769:
> Today I know "Topolino" is sold in Belgium, France, Germany, Luxembourg,
> Grait Britain (distributeed by A.I.E, an Italian agency); in Switzerland
This is what it says in the inside back cover, but in actual fact I
have _never_ seen a copy of Topolino on sale at any newsagent in the
U.K. I get my copy by subscription. Maybe Cambridge is outside the
distribution circuit? Maybe you can find Topolino in London? Hmmm...
By the way, does anybody else on this list live in the U.K.? If so,
where do you get your Disney comics from? The only two comics I can
find at the local newsagents are two childish things, mostly rubbish:
"Disney and friends" and another one I can't remember.
Frank (Filologo Disneyano)
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #774.
Message 24 -
1995-09-04 at 16:27:00
PER:
Well, that just about does it. Now we're getting Digests that are
MOSTLY "unsubscribe" messages or ENTIRELY "unsubscribe" messages!
I was thinking that it was time to wipe the slate clean and let
those of us who want to be here REsubscribe. But I gather there is a
constant inflow of people who have been misinformed as to what this forum is
all about, and who don't read very carefully to see the proper way to
"unsubscribe"... or they don't read it at all -- I don't know HOW they miss
your message at the beginning of EVERY Digest.
I think you need to put an ALL-CAPS notice at the each Digest's
opening, surrounded by stars or something, which says something to the effect:
*** N O T I C E ! ***
REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU MAY HAVE READ OR HEARD, THIS FORUM IS ONLY CONCERNED
WITH DISNEY *COMIC BOOKS*, NOT ANIMATED FILMS OR THEME PARKS OR ANYTHING
ELSE! IF YOU HAVE BEEN REFERRED HERE BY MISINFORMATION, DO *NOT* SEND AN
"UNSUBSCRIBE" MESSAGE AS A 'REPLY' TO THE DIGEST! ONLY SEND "UNSUBSCRIBE"
REQUESTS TO *THIS* ADDRESS: (etc.)"
Well, that just about does it. Now we're getting Digests that are
MOSTLY "unsubscribe" messages or ENTIRELY "unsubscribe" messages!
I was thinking that it was time to wipe the slate clean and let
those of us who want to be here REsubscribe. But I gather there is a
constant inflow of people who have been misinformed as to what this forum is
all about, and who don't read very carefully to see the proper way to
"unsubscribe"... or they don't read it at all -- I don't know HOW they miss
your message at the beginning of EVERY Digest.
I think you need to put an ALL-CAPS notice at the each Digest's
opening, surrounded by stars or something, which says something to the effect:
*** N O T I C E ! ***
REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU MAY HAVE READ OR HEARD, THIS FORUM IS ONLY CONCERNED
WITH DISNEY *COMIC BOOKS*, NOT ANIMATED FILMS OR THEME PARKS OR ANYTHING
ELSE! IF YOU HAVE BEEN REFERRED HERE BY MISINFORMATION, DO *NOT* SEND AN
"UNSUBSCRIBE" MESSAGE AS A 'REPLY' TO THE DIGEST! ONLY SEND "UNSUBSCRIBE"
REQUESTS TO *THIS* ADDRESS: (etc.)"
LAFFALOT
European Disney Comics
Message 25 -
1995-09-04 at 16:41:42
Hi, All!
I've been lurking here for almost a year now, and really enjoy the group.
I'd like to know if there's any way I can recieve some of the European
Disney comics I've read about in this newsgroup. I live in Atlanta, GA and
have been an avid Disney Comics collector for 22 years. I'm particularly
interested in getting ahold of Rosa stories that that haven't been published
in the USA for one reason or another. My most-wanted is his sequel to the
Peegwah story, which won't be published in the USA because Disney is scared
to death of Indian stories.
If anyone can help, please let me know.
Laffalot at aol.com
(Ken Gordon)
"No man is poor who can do what he likes to do, once in a while."
I've been lurking here for almost a year now, and really enjoy the group.
I'd like to know if there's any way I can recieve some of the European
Disney comics I've read about in this newsgroup. I live in Atlanta, GA and
have been an avid Disney Comics collector for 22 years. I'm particularly
interested in getting ahold of Rosa stories that that haven't been published
in the USA for one reason or another. My most-wanted is his sequel to the
Peegwah story, which won't be published in the USA because Disney is scared
to death of Indian stories.
If anyone can help, please let me know.
Laffalot at aol.com
(Ken Gordon)
"No man is poor who can do what he likes to do, once in a while."
Per Starback
Unsubscriptions, SmartList, name change???
Message 26 -
1995-09-04 at 17:38:53
Dave Rawson wrote:
> BTW, for those of you wanting to unsubscribe, the simple instructions are
> given as the FIRST LINE OF EVERY MESSAGE YOU GET. But then, since you're
> obviously not reading these messages, you won't read this either. So nyah,
> nyah, nyah! :)
Actually it's not. To subscribe to the mailing list just means that
you get all messages sent to the list. No additions. No
subtractions. No secret clues. No extra text. No subliminal
messages. Fnord. Not even any included collecting cards. That's a
"reflector subscription" subscription, and that is the normal thing to
have.
Then there's the daily digests for you those who can't handle lots of
mail messages because they have to pay per message or whatever.
Those people are not normal. Eh, let me rephrase that: That is not the
normal way of subscribing to this list. It seems like "digest people"
tend to forget that there is another way of subscription, but there
is.
As I have more control over the digests I've inserted a short note
"[Send unsubscription requests to <disney-comics-request at minsk.docs.uu.se>.]"
at the beginning of every digest, and that's what Dave referred to
(and later Don, in a message that came in when I was writing this mail).
Well, the situation is getting out of hand, and getting worse by the
minute. The Net gets larger and larger as we speak (or rather, as I
write), and the percentage of people who know what they're doing there
is decreasing at the same time. I understand that many of you get
irritated by all these administrative requests sent to the whole list,
or by private email to you who can do nothing about it.
But now there's light at the end of the tunnel. I have at last taken
steps to use smarter mailing list software (probably SmartList), which
will look at mail sent to the list and only allow it to go through if
it doesn't look like an adminstrative command. (Besides doing lots of
other things, like taking care of most correctly sent (un)subscription
requests which has become a rather time-consuming task by this time.)
I have to get some cooperation from the system administrator here, and
I'll have to test it and tweak it a little, but in due time ...
And another thing, that I'd appreciate input on:
It's evident that many people who subscribe to this mailing list think
it's something that it isn't. They are mostly interested in Disney
animation, or Disney whatever, and ignore the later part of the name.
Disappointed they notice that we only talk about some dull comics
here, and quickly want to unsubscribe. Even though it seems like the
name "disney-comics" is perfect to convey the notion that it's about
"Disney comics" I suspect it really isn't, and maybe we would benefit
from a new name without Disney in the name?
Actually I first started thinking about this some time ago when I read
a message on list-managers (which, as you might guess, is a mailing
list for list managers about general issues on list management) from a
person who administrated a mailing list on Barbie dolls and had to
change the name of the list to something without "barbie" in the name
as the producers of the dolls complained that they owned the name and
that people might think that they had anything to do with that list.
This is perhaps relevant for this list too. Some mails I get to the
administrative address seem to be guided by the misconception that
they are sending mail to the Disney company and that this is some
service provided by them. I'm not sure, but sometimes it has seemed
that way. It is inconvenient to them, and to some extent to me, and
also Disney themselves might think this is a sad state of the affairs
(if they know about this mailing list at all). Not that they have
complained, but sometimes it seems to me that it would be a good idea
to have a name like ducks-and-mice or something like that instead,
but I haven't convinced myself. What do you all think? (And what
might be a good name in that case?)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
> BTW, for those of you wanting to unsubscribe, the simple instructions are
> given as the FIRST LINE OF EVERY MESSAGE YOU GET. But then, since you're
> obviously not reading these messages, you won't read this either. So nyah,
> nyah, nyah! :)
Actually it's not. To subscribe to the mailing list just means that
you get all messages sent to the list. No additions. No
subtractions. No secret clues. No extra text. No subliminal
messages. Fnord. Not even any included collecting cards. That's a
"reflector subscription" subscription, and that is the normal thing to
have.
Then there's the daily digests for you those who can't handle lots of
mail messages because they have to pay per message or whatever.
Those people are not normal. Eh, let me rephrase that: That is not the
normal way of subscribing to this list. It seems like "digest people"
tend to forget that there is another way of subscription, but there
is.
As I have more control over the digests I've inserted a short note
"[Send unsubscription requests to <disney-comics-request at minsk.docs.uu.se>.]"
at the beginning of every digest, and that's what Dave referred to
(and later Don, in a message that came in when I was writing this mail).
Well, the situation is getting out of hand, and getting worse by the
minute. The Net gets larger and larger as we speak (or rather, as I
write), and the percentage of people who know what they're doing there
is decreasing at the same time. I understand that many of you get
irritated by all these administrative requests sent to the whole list,
or by private email to you who can do nothing about it.
But now there's light at the end of the tunnel. I have at last taken
steps to use smarter mailing list software (probably SmartList), which
will look at mail sent to the list and only allow it to go through if
it doesn't look like an adminstrative command. (Besides doing lots of
other things, like taking care of most correctly sent (un)subscription
requests which has become a rather time-consuming task by this time.)
I have to get some cooperation from the system administrator here, and
I'll have to test it and tweak it a little, but in due time ...
And another thing, that I'd appreciate input on:
It's evident that many people who subscribe to this mailing list think
it's something that it isn't. They are mostly interested in Disney
animation, or Disney whatever, and ignore the later part of the name.
Disappointed they notice that we only talk about some dull comics
here, and quickly want to unsubscribe. Even though it seems like the
name "disney-comics" is perfect to convey the notion that it's about
"Disney comics" I suspect it really isn't, and maybe we would benefit
from a new name without Disney in the name?
Actually I first started thinking about this some time ago when I read
a message on list-managers (which, as you might guess, is a mailing
list for list managers about general issues on list management) from a
person who administrated a mailing list on Barbie dolls and had to
change the name of the list to something without "barbie" in the name
as the producers of the dolls complained that they owned the name and
that people might think that they had anything to do with that list.
This is perhaps relevant for this list too. Some mails I get to the
administrative address seem to be guided by the misconception that
they are sending mail to the Disney company and that this is some
service provided by them. I'm not sure, but sometimes it has seemed
that way. It is inconvenient to them, and to some extent to me, and
also Disney themselves might think this is a sad state of the affairs
(if they know about this mailing list at all). Not that they have
complained, but sometimes it seems to me that it would be a good idea
to have a name like ducks-and-mice or something like that instead,
but I haven't convinced myself. What do you all think? (And what
might be a good name in that case?)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Jon Cato Lorentzen
Those unsubscribers...
Message 27 -
1995-09-04 at 17:42:08
Rosa says:
:"unsubscribe"... or they don't read it at all -- I don't know HOW they miss
:your message at the beginning of EVERY Digest.
: I think you need to put an ALL-CAPS notice at the each Digest's
:opening, surrounded by stars or something, which says something to the effect:
Some of the people on this list (perhaps most) do not receive the Digest,
but only the individual letters as they are sent, so they never read that
first line in the digest. Another thing is that many people will not bother
to read anything at all to get things done. They will subscribe to the list,
get a welcoming-message where it is made perfectly clear what they shold
do if they want to unsubscribe, but most people skip this, eager to read
the latest news about Lion King and The Little Mermaid. Imagine their
frustration when all the posts are about those funny animal comic books that
they have no interest in at all, so they quickly decide to leave this
forum, and send in their 'unsubscribe' messages.
The biggest problem with people jumping on and off this list, is probably
caused by having Disney in the title. No matter how much one stresses that it
concerns itself with comics, and comics only, people will still subscribe
just because it's got Disney in the title. I suggest we change the name to
barks-gottfredson-and-related-comics-forum at minsk.docs.uu.se
:)
-jonC
:"unsubscribe"... or they don't read it at all -- I don't know HOW they miss
:your message at the beginning of EVERY Digest.
: I think you need to put an ALL-CAPS notice at the each Digest's
:opening, surrounded by stars or something, which says something to the effect:
Some of the people on this list (perhaps most) do not receive the Digest,
but only the individual letters as they are sent, so they never read that
first line in the digest. Another thing is that many people will not bother
to read anything at all to get things done. They will subscribe to the list,
get a welcoming-message where it is made perfectly clear what they shold
do if they want to unsubscribe, but most people skip this, eager to read
the latest news about Lion King and The Little Mermaid. Imagine their
frustration when all the posts are about those funny animal comic books that
they have no interest in at all, so they quickly decide to leave this
forum, and send in their 'unsubscribe' messages.
The biggest problem with people jumping on and off this list, is probably
caused by having Disney in the title. No matter how much one stresses that it
concerns itself with comics, and comics only, people will still subscribe
just because it's got Disney in the title. I suggest we change the name to
barks-gottfredson-and-related-comics-forum at minsk.docs.uu.se
:)
-jonC
H.W. Fluks
Unsubscribers / Kali's Nail
Message 28 -
1995-09-04 at 17:45:44
[Send unsubscription requests to <disney-comics-request at minsk.docs.uu.se>,
do NOT just reply to this message.]
DON:
> who don't read very carefully to see the proper way to
> "unsubscribe"... or they don't read it at all -- I don't know HOW they miss
> your message at the beginning of EVERY Digest.
Mostly because they don't GET the digests! The "default" subscription is
by individual messages. And these messages don't contain that description
about how to unsubscribe, unless the sender puts it there himself - like
I did in this message.
PER:
Maybe it's better to send new people the digests, unless they explicitly
ask for individual messages. This would also solve the problem that people
send "unsubscribe"-messages to the sender of a message.
--x--
Hm.. let me end with a Disney-comics related issue:
From next week on, Dutch DD weekly prints Scarpa's "Kali's Nail"! I never
read that story before, not even when Gladstone reprinted it, so I'm very
curious.
--Harry.
do NOT just reply to this message.]
DON:
> who don't read very carefully to see the proper way to
> "unsubscribe"... or they don't read it at all -- I don't know HOW they miss
> your message at the beginning of EVERY Digest.
Mostly because they don't GET the digests! The "default" subscription is
by individual messages. And these messages don't contain that description
about how to unsubscribe, unless the sender puts it there himself - like
I did in this message.
PER:
Maybe it's better to send new people the digests, unless they explicitly
ask for individual messages. This would also solve the problem that people
send "unsubscribe"-messages to the sender of a message.
--x--
Hm.. let me end with a Disney-comics related issue:
From next week on, Dutch DD weekly prints Scarpa's "Kali's Nail"! I never
read that story before, not even when Gladstone reprinted it, so I'm very
curious.
--Harry.
H.W. Fluks
59 countries so far!
Message 29 -
1995-09-04 at 17:57:53
DAVE:
> Thanks to the wolfman, Arthur_de_Wolf <wolfman at pi.net>, for the list of
> countries where Disney character comics are available. This is quite a few
> more than I realized. Any idea how many languages that would work out to?
I guess most editions are in different languages. If a language is
spoken in more countries, they usually have the same comics
(like German editions in Germany, Austria, Switzerland).
From my mind, I can only think of the following overlapping languages
(* = only in the past):
English (British/American/Australian*)
Spanish (Columbian/European/Argentinan*)
Dutch (Netherlands/Flemish*)
Portuguese (European/Brazilian)
BTW: What about Canada? Is there a French-language Disney comic in Canada?
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Telecom (_) fluks at pcssdc.pttnwb.nl
Netherlands "Yeah.. I've _heard_ of coral barques"
> Thanks to the wolfman, Arthur_de_Wolf <wolfman at pi.net>, for the list of
> countries where Disney character comics are available. This is quite a few
> more than I realized. Any idea how many languages that would work out to?
I guess most editions are in different languages. If a language is
spoken in more countries, they usually have the same comics
(like German editions in Germany, Austria, Switzerland).
From my mind, I can only think of the following overlapping languages
(* = only in the past):
English (British/American/Australian*)
Spanish (Columbian/European/Argentinan*)
Dutch (Netherlands/Flemish*)
Portuguese (European/Brazilian)
BTW: What about Canada? Is there a French-language Disney comic in Canada?
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Telecom (_) fluks at pcssdc.pttnwb.nl
Netherlands "Yeah.. I've _heard_ of coral barques"
Fredrik Ekman
Unsubscriptions, SmartList, name change???
Message 30 -
1995-09-04 at 18:10:37
On Mon, 4 Sep 1995, Per Starback wrote:
> It's evident that many people who subscribe to this mailing list think
> it's something that it isn't. They are mostly interested in Disney
> animation, or Disney whatever, and ignore the later part of the name.
> Disappointed they notice that we only talk about some dull comics
> here, and quickly want to unsubscribe.
I have been considering this problem, too, and I think that a name change
should be a last resort. Perhaps a better method would be to handle
subscription requests in two steps. Step one: When someone sends a
request, he (she) gets in return a message explaining in very explicit
terms that this mailing list is NOT about Disney animation, Disney
general, et c, pointing those who are interested in that in the right
general direction and asking them to send ANOTHER command to the
SmartList server. This new command will effectively make them members of
the list. Would be worth a try, methinks...
/F
> It's evident that many people who subscribe to this mailing list think
> it's something that it isn't. They are mostly interested in Disney
> animation, or Disney whatever, and ignore the later part of the name.
> Disappointed they notice that we only talk about some dull comics
> here, and quickly want to unsubscribe.
I have been considering this problem, too, and I think that a name change
should be a last resort. Perhaps a better method would be to handle
subscription requests in two steps. Step one: When someone sends a
request, he (she) gets in return a message explaining in very explicit
terms that this mailing list is NOT about Disney animation, Disney
general, et c, pointing those who are interested in that in the right
general direction and asking them to send ANOTHER command to the
SmartList server. This new command will effectively make them members of
the list. Would be worth a try, methinks...
/F