DANIEL: I'm way behind on keepping up with the digests, so please bear
with me if someone else has already mentioned this. Re your list of
"firsts", you mentioned:
>Here is my list with first appearances of Barks-characters. It's also
>in digest #756, but it's less complete there.
>Scrooge's money-swimming US 386a "Only a Poor Old Man"
There is a "money-swim" in the "Money Allergy" story in WDCS 124.
In panels 3 & 4 on page 3, U$ swims in the stuff using two slightly
different lines from the FC 386 script:
"I love to dive around in it like a porpoise! And bore through it
like a gopher!"
I could swear I've seen part of this in another pre-FC 386 story,
but can't find it right off. I'll post it if I do.
Author
Topic: 199509
(268 messages)
Bob Wright
Disney-comics digest #782.
Message 166 -
1995-09-19 at 03:16:12
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #789.
Message 167 -
1995-09-19 at 07:52:00
DANIEL vE.:
I don't letter my stories because that's not something that
interests me. I used to letter all my own "amateur" comics, but rather than
teach myself more uniform lettering and spending all that time lettering the
stuff, I'd rather leave that to the experts and be about doing new stories.
Besides, when the country's top letterer (Todd Klein) is asking Gladstone
for the privilege of lettering my stories, that sure is no impetus for me to
try to learn to do it myself!
FRANK:
I make marginal notes on my art when something must be colored a
special color for the sake of the story. Beyond that, I sometimes put
PLEADING marginal notes asking that some dramatic lighting be employed --
but those notes are always ignored because (as I've said) the Egmont
color-computer-technicians just aren't getting paid to do that sort of
artistry -- in fact, I'm sure they are told NOT to spend extra time doing
that sort of busywork. That's the main reason I put so much awful
cross-hatching and shading on my art -- if I don't try to add the lighting
that the colorist won't, it won't get lighted properly.
Note that when I did "Hearts of the Yukon" directly for Gladstone,
in the burning ballroom scene, I put in NO shading (crosshatching) since I
knew Sue Daigle-Leach would do it up right. If that had been a story for
Egmont, I would have COVERED those Ducks with crosshatching! We'll see how
Egmont colors those scenes next year whenever they reprint it.
I don't letter my stories because that's not something that
interests me. I used to letter all my own "amateur" comics, but rather than
teach myself more uniform lettering and spending all that time lettering the
stuff, I'd rather leave that to the experts and be about doing new stories.
Besides, when the country's top letterer (Todd Klein) is asking Gladstone
for the privilege of lettering my stories, that sure is no impetus for me to
try to learn to do it myself!
FRANK:
I make marginal notes on my art when something must be colored a
special color for the sake of the story. Beyond that, I sometimes put
PLEADING marginal notes asking that some dramatic lighting be employed --
but those notes are always ignored because (as I've said) the Egmont
color-computer-technicians just aren't getting paid to do that sort of
artistry -- in fact, I'm sure they are told NOT to spend extra time doing
that sort of busywork. That's the main reason I put so much awful
cross-hatching and shading on my art -- if I don't try to add the lighting
that the colorist won't, it won't get lighted properly.
Note that when I did "Hearts of the Yukon" directly for Gladstone,
in the burning ballroom scene, I put in NO shading (crosshatching) since I
knew Sue Daigle-Leach would do it up right. If that had been a story for
Egmont, I would have COVERED those Ducks with crosshatching! We'll see how
Egmont colors those scenes next year whenever they reprint it.
H.W. Fluks
Jippes inks Khaos story?
Message 168 -
1995-09-19 at 10:41:49
ARTHUR:
> In USA#35 I found a reprint of the Dutch H87068 "The Temple Treasure
> of Khaos". When I was reading the first couple of pages of
> "The Temple Treasure of Khaos", I thought the art looked bad.
> I was amazed to see, that the story was inked by Daan Jippes.
Do you mean Gladstone credits JIPPES for the INKING of the story?
Who on earth gave them that idea??
--Harry.
> In USA#35 I found a reprint of the Dutch H87068 "The Temple Treasure
> of Khaos". When I was reading the first couple of pages of
> "The Temple Treasure of Khaos", I thought the art looked bad.
> I was amazed to see, that the story was inked by Daan Jippes.
Do you mean Gladstone credits JIPPES for the INKING of the story?
Who on earth gave them that idea??
--Harry.
Mismith
Subscribe
Message 169 -
1995-09-19 at 10:56:28
I would like to subcribe.
Georges Helm
Intro - Darkest Africa - The Cube
Message 170 -
1995-09-19 at 12:05:15
Hi everybody,
INTRO:
Please let me introduce myself shortly. I am 40 and living in Luxembourg.
Somewhere in 1980 I found some German second hand comics with Barks stories
in them, and all of a sudden I remembered the ..good.. stories I read as a
youth.
From then on, I didn't stop trying to get all of the Barks stories
available, in German first, in French, Dutch and finally the CBL.
Some days ago I found the disney-comics-digest and I am glad I found it.
DARKEST AFRICA:
Arthur:
You mentioned the JdM edition of DA. In 1990 I got a color xerox from the
editors of JdM of their Darkest Africa which has been published in the fifties.
Is this the edition you have? Or is it a newer reprint?
THE CUBE:
Only one Barks story (FC 1184/3) has been translated in Luxembourgish, it
has been published some years ago in a Luxembourgish youth magazine called
Zack. Gyro Gearloose has been given the Luxembourgish name of Daniel
Liichtbl?ck. They didn't ask for help! No alliteration in the name! And a
miserable translation the whole story long.
Georges (georges.helm at comnet.eo.lu, geohelm at pt.lu)
INTRO:
Please let me introduce myself shortly. I am 40 and living in Luxembourg.
Somewhere in 1980 I found some German second hand comics with Barks stories
in them, and all of a sudden I remembered the ..good.. stories I read as a
youth.
From then on, I didn't stop trying to get all of the Barks stories
available, in German first, in French, Dutch and finally the CBL.
Some days ago I found the disney-comics-digest and I am glad I found it.
DARKEST AFRICA:
Arthur:
You mentioned the JdM edition of DA. In 1990 I got a color xerox from the
editors of JdM of their Darkest Africa which has been published in the fifties.
Is this the edition you have? Or is it a newer reprint?
THE CUBE:
Only one Barks story (FC 1184/3) has been translated in Luxembourgish, it
has been published some years ago in a Luxembourgish youth magazine called
Zack. Gyro Gearloose has been given the Luxembourgish name of Daniel
Liichtbl?ck. They didn't ask for help! No alliteration in the name! And a
miserable translation the whole story long.
Georges (georges.helm at comnet.eo.lu, geohelm at pt.lu)
Greg Kay
Restoring the Barks Giveaways
Message 171 -
1995-09-19 at 16:21:25
Hi Everyone,
Although David has pretty much covered the Giveaway restoration
situation, I would like to add my 2 cents worth concerning restoring
the Barks giveaways. Using modern technology --- a fast PC with lots of memory
and a high resolution scanner --- it would be fairly easy to scan an
original giveaway into high resolution files and then very easily
remove the color. Any paint program can easily remove color pixels.
In theory, you should finish up with at least something as good as
a high quality black and white XEROX. Now, given that Gladstone use
'Computer Aided Coloring' processes, it would seem that this sort
of computer aided restoration would be an easy extension of what they
already do.
To pursue this any further, we really could do with some comments from
Gladstone (or whoever knows) about their computer aided coloring process.
Greg Kay.
Although David has pretty much covered the Giveaway restoration
situation, I would like to add my 2 cents worth concerning restoring
the Barks giveaways. Using modern technology --- a fast PC with lots of memory
and a high resolution scanner --- it would be fairly easy to scan an
original giveaway into high resolution files and then very easily
remove the color. Any paint program can easily remove color pixels.
In theory, you should finish up with at least something as good as
a high quality black and white XEROX. Now, given that Gladstone use
'Computer Aided Coloring' processes, it would seem that this sort
of computer aided restoration would be an easy extension of what they
already do.
To pursue this any further, we really could do with some comments from
Gladstone (or whoever knows) about their computer aided coloring process.
Greg Kay.
H.W. Fluks
Italians
Message 172 -
1995-09-19 at 17:08:05
FRANK:
> how do people in Europe normally get
> these [Gladstone] comics? Your local shop imports them?
Yes, the bigger comic shops have a stock of Gladstone comics. The smaller
ones will be happy to order a comic or album for you from Gladstone.
At least, that's the Dutch situation.
> You go to the U.S. from time to time?
Well, I also did that. But in fact, in the U.S., Gladstone or Disney comics
are HARDER to find than in Europe! (And more expensive, if you want back
issues.)
> Your advice on reading more Danish and Dutch stuff is very
> sound-- however my ignorance prevents me from going for the
> originals. Any suggestions for reasonable translations?
The British Mickey comic printed some of the newer Rota stories. David
Gerstein made an index of the issues he has. This index is in our
Database (available on ftp or WWW), or you could ask David or me about it.
Also, for the *good* Dutch and Danish stuff, try Gladstone comics. They
reprinted the best stories (and sometimes also others...).
If you want a list of stories by Rota or Ferioli (or whoever), with all
known reprints: look in the Disney comics Database, or ask me.
--x--
On some completely different subject:
I re-read Romano Scarpa's "Tapiocus" story, last week.
One funny thing: Pete wears two shoes, but when he is in his underwear,
he appears to still have his wooden leg! Scarpa has read his Gottfredson
very thorougly!
--Harry.
> how do people in Europe normally get
> these [Gladstone] comics? Your local shop imports them?
Yes, the bigger comic shops have a stock of Gladstone comics. The smaller
ones will be happy to order a comic or album for you from Gladstone.
At least, that's the Dutch situation.
> You go to the U.S. from time to time?
Well, I also did that. But in fact, in the U.S., Gladstone or Disney comics
are HARDER to find than in Europe! (And more expensive, if you want back
issues.)
> Your advice on reading more Danish and Dutch stuff is very
> sound-- however my ignorance prevents me from going for the
> originals. Any suggestions for reasonable translations?
The British Mickey comic printed some of the newer Rota stories. David
Gerstein made an index of the issues he has. This index is in our
Database (available on ftp or WWW), or you could ask David or me about it.
Also, for the *good* Dutch and Danish stuff, try Gladstone comics. They
reprinted the best stories (and sometimes also others...).
If you want a list of stories by Rota or Ferioli (or whoever), with all
known reprints: look in the Disney comics Database, or ask me.
--x--
On some completely different subject:
I re-read Romano Scarpa's "Tapiocus" story, last week.
One funny thing: Pete wears two shoes, but when he is in his underwear,
he appears to still have his wooden leg! Scarpa has read his Gottfredson
very thorougly!
--Harry.
H.W. Fluks
Money swimming
Message 173 -
1995-09-19 at 17:23:50
BOB:
> There is a "money-swim" in the "Money Allergy" story in WDCS 124.
> I could swear I've seen part of this in another pre-FC 386 story,
> but can't find it right off.
I think you mean the story in WDC 126, "A Financial Fable", where Scrooge
keeps his money in a big barn, until a hurricane spreads it all over
the world (or Duckburg, at least).
Both stories are about a year ahead of FC 386.
--Harry.
> There is a "money-swim" in the "Money Allergy" story in WDCS 124.
> I could swear I've seen part of this in another pre-FC 386 story,
> but can't find it right off.
I think you mean the story in WDC 126, "A Financial Fable", where Scrooge
keeps his money in a big barn, until a hurricane spreads it all over
the world (or Duckburg, at least).
Both stories are about a year ahead of FC 386.
--Harry.
Arthur De Wolf
Yum! Yum!
Message 174 -
1995-09-19 at 20:38:52
Hi!
DAVID:
> The French version of "Darkest Africa" is quite old and,
> although it is the original one, it is so badly reproduced that it's
> basically unusable for any modern reprint.
Do you mean the version I have in the "Le Journal de Mickey Geant"?
Or is the version you mentioned used in several French Disney comics?
It must be that way, because my LJdMG is from 1985.
So this version appeared in 1985, and also contained the politically
incorrect images of natives. Also the panel that was taken away in
the redrawn version, containing two natives saying: "Ya! And if you no
tell us by moonrise, we eatum! Yum! Yum!". Isn't that version
of the story forbidden? How can it be then, that they reprinted it in
France in 1985?
-- Arthur.
DAVID:
> The French version of "Darkest Africa" is quite old and,
> although it is the original one, it is so badly reproduced that it's
> basically unusable for any modern reprint.
Do you mean the version I have in the "Le Journal de Mickey Geant"?
Or is the version you mentioned used in several French Disney comics?
It must be that way, because my LJdMG is from 1985.
So this version appeared in 1985, and also contained the politically
incorrect images of natives. Also the panel that was taken away in
the redrawn version, containing two natives saying: "Ya! And if you no
tell us by moonrise, we eatum! Yum! Yum!". Isn't that version
of the story forbidden? How can it be then, that they reprinted it in
France in 1985?
-- Arthur.
Arthur De Wolf
Jippes?
Message 175 -
1995-09-19 at 20:43:22
Hi!
HARRY:
> Do you mean Gladstone credits JIPPES for the INKING of the story?
> Who on earth gave them that idea??
Yes! It says:
- The Issue's Credits:
-
- UNCLE SCROOGE in "The Treasure Temple of Khaos," written by Jan Kruse,
- translated and rescripted by Dwight Decker, penciled by Ben Verhagen,
- inked by Daan Jippes, colored by Scott Rockwell.
So you say that the story was NOT inked by Jippes. I already thought
so, but while Jippes was in the credits, I believed it. But as I
said some days ago:
ME:
> When I was reading the first couple of pages of
> "The Temple Treasure of Khaos", I thought the art looked bad.
> I was amazed to see, that the story was inked by Daan Jippes. I guess
> it's the way Ben Verhagen penciled it.
Are you saying that Ben Verhagen also inked it?
-- Arthur.
HARRY:
> Do you mean Gladstone credits JIPPES for the INKING of the story?
> Who on earth gave them that idea??
Yes! It says:
- The Issue's Credits:
-
- UNCLE SCROOGE in "The Treasure Temple of Khaos," written by Jan Kruse,
- translated and rescripted by Dwight Decker, penciled by Ben Verhagen,
- inked by Daan Jippes, colored by Scott Rockwell.
So you say that the story was NOT inked by Jippes. I already thought
so, but while Jippes was in the credits, I believed it. But as I
said some days ago:
ME:
> When I was reading the first couple of pages of
> "The Temple Treasure of Khaos", I thought the art looked bad.
> I was amazed to see, that the story was inked by Daan Jippes. I guess
> it's the way Ben Verhagen penciled it.
Are you saying that Ben Verhagen also inked it?
-- Arthur.
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Frank, Harry, Bob and Georges
Message 176 -
1995-09-19 at 21:12:54
FRANK:
> Well done for your list! Very nice thing to do. I suggest that, if
> you can, you also put the date (at least the year) next to the issue
> number, to make consultation easier.
Thanks for the nice words! Yes, I also think that it's a good idea to
put at least a year next to the number of the issue in such lists.
HARRY:
Some time ago you posted a message in which you said you were adding
the cover-dates to the lists of comics in the database. Does this
mean that these dates are also put next to every story *in* such a
comic? So that, if you make a Barks-adaption of the database, you'll
also get the publishing dates of the Barks-stories? I think that
would be very nice.
BOB:
>> Here is my list with first appearances of Barks-characters.
>> Scrooge's money-swimming US 386a "Only a Poor Old Man"
> There is a "money-swim" in the "Money Allergy" story in WDCS 124.
You're right! Thanks for correcting me. I will now notice WDC 124 as
the first story in which Scrooge swam in his money. Or are there
still older stories in which he did so?
(There is at least one older story in which Scrooge takes a *bath* in
his money (Voodoo Hoodoo), but that doesn't count IMHO. It's the
*swimming* that became such a typical habit for Scrooge.)
GEORGES:
Welcome! It's very nice to see there's also a member here from
Luxembourg. Which comic-books do you read in Luxembourg? Are they
mainly from France or are they mainly from Germany?
You said you also have Dutch Disney comics? Are they also available
in Luxembourg? Sorry for my lack of knowlegde, but which language do
you speak in Luxembourg? Is it mainly France or mainly German? Or is
Luxemburgian a language of its own?
Just curious...
Greetings,
--- Daniel
> Well done for your list! Very nice thing to do. I suggest that, if
> you can, you also put the date (at least the year) next to the issue
> number, to make consultation easier.
Thanks for the nice words! Yes, I also think that it's a good idea to
put at least a year next to the number of the issue in such lists.
HARRY:
Some time ago you posted a message in which you said you were adding
the cover-dates to the lists of comics in the database. Does this
mean that these dates are also put next to every story *in* such a
comic? So that, if you make a Barks-adaption of the database, you'll
also get the publishing dates of the Barks-stories? I think that
would be very nice.
BOB:
>> Here is my list with first appearances of Barks-characters.
>> Scrooge's money-swimming US 386a "Only a Poor Old Man"
> There is a "money-swim" in the "Money Allergy" story in WDCS 124.
You're right! Thanks for correcting me. I will now notice WDC 124 as
the first story in which Scrooge swam in his money. Or are there
still older stories in which he did so?
(There is at least one older story in which Scrooge takes a *bath* in
his money (Voodoo Hoodoo), but that doesn't count IMHO. It's the
*swimming* that became such a typical habit for Scrooge.)
GEORGES:
Welcome! It's very nice to see there's also a member here from
Luxembourg. Which comic-books do you read in Luxembourg? Are they
mainly from France or are they mainly from Germany?
You said you also have Dutch Disney comics? Are they also available
in Luxembourg? Sorry for my lack of knowlegde, but which language do
you speak in Luxembourg? Is it mainly France or mainly German? Or is
Luxemburgian a language of its own?
Just curious...
Greetings,
--- Daniel
David A Gerstein
Disney-comics digest #790.
Message 177 -
1995-09-20 at 02:50:38
GREG:
Gladstone is VERY new to doing production work of ANY kind
with computers. Until last year they still had to utilize a
complicated, expensive process to reproduce color covers in
advertisements (which is why, for over a year, the uniform ad for the
CBLIC line showed CBLWDC 2 every month).
When they "went computerized" last year, they only had a few
fonts for their system (I am led to believe), which is why all their
advertising used nothing but Helvetica font for so many months.
Now, of course, they're well used to things, have dozens of
fonts, and have tons of ads in the comics which picture the various
covers (which are just scanned-in, now, hardly costing anyone a dime).
But I don't know, and I don't believe Gladstone knows, how to
remove all colors but black from a scan. If someone can send me a
private E-Mail discussing how this is done (with Adobe Photoshop, or
some such Macintosh program), step by step, it would be extremely
useful for some projects which are ABOUT to go into production.
David Gerstein
<96dag at williams.edu>
(who knows a lot about a certain mailing list, but is always
learning new things about computers in general)
"When the [newsgroup] finds out, they'll call me Caveman Duck!"
Gladstone is VERY new to doing production work of ANY kind
with computers. Until last year they still had to utilize a
complicated, expensive process to reproduce color covers in
advertisements (which is why, for over a year, the uniform ad for the
CBLIC line showed CBLWDC 2 every month).
When they "went computerized" last year, they only had a few
fonts for their system (I am led to believe), which is why all their
advertising used nothing but Helvetica font for so many months.
Now, of course, they're well used to things, have dozens of
fonts, and have tons of ads in the comics which picture the various
covers (which are just scanned-in, now, hardly costing anyone a dime).
But I don't know, and I don't believe Gladstone knows, how to
remove all colors but black from a scan. If someone can send me a
private E-Mail discussing how this is done (with Adobe Photoshop, or
some such Macintosh program), step by step, it would be extremely
useful for some projects which are ABOUT to go into production.
David Gerstein
<96dag at williams.edu>
(who knows a lot about a certain mailing list, but is always
learning new things about computers in general)
"When the [newsgroup] finds out, they'll call me Caveman Duck!"
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #790.
Message 178 -
1995-09-20 at 03:58:00
GREG K.:
You say a color page can be scanned and then the color removed by
computer. I'm certain that's true. Then you'd print out the b&w art? Would
the line work be perfectly smooth and with 100% fidelity to the original?
Maybe it would, I dunno.
But what about this "scanner"? How does that work? Can you simply
gently lay an open comic book down on it and get a PERFECT copy with the
colors clearly defined (then to be removed) and the black lines crisp and
sharp? You realize that this "scanner" can't be something that you feed a
page into or something which exerts ANY pressure whatsoever on the original,
and the original can be the size of a two-page spread of a comic book? You
do understand that the entire problem in not being able to print perfect
reprints of these old giveaway comics is the need to find a way to do it
that does not risk the slightest damage to the original comic. These things
are valued in the thousands of dollars, and are usually owned by the sorts
of people who believe that the slightest new "stress mark at a staple" or
such will harm the investment potential by specific dollar amounts that are
of more interest to them than anyone seeing a reprint of the thing. (Hey,
for that matter, not letting anyone even THINK of trying to make a copy of
it will certainly make it even more valuable, therefore another reason not
to allow it, other than the possibility of ever-so-slight damage.)
You say a color page can be scanned and then the color removed by
computer. I'm certain that's true. Then you'd print out the b&w art? Would
the line work be perfectly smooth and with 100% fidelity to the original?
Maybe it would, I dunno.
But what about this "scanner"? How does that work? Can you simply
gently lay an open comic book down on it and get a PERFECT copy with the
colors clearly defined (then to be removed) and the black lines crisp and
sharp? You realize that this "scanner" can't be something that you feed a
page into or something which exerts ANY pressure whatsoever on the original,
and the original can be the size of a two-page spread of a comic book? You
do understand that the entire problem in not being able to print perfect
reprints of these old giveaway comics is the need to find a way to do it
that does not risk the slightest damage to the original comic. These things
are valued in the thousands of dollars, and are usually owned by the sorts
of people who believe that the slightest new "stress mark at a staple" or
such will harm the investment potential by specific dollar amounts that are
of more interest to them than anyone seeing a reprint of the thing. (Hey,
for that matter, not letting anyone even THINK of trying to make a copy of
it will certainly make it even more valuable, therefore another reason not
to allow it, other than the possibility of ever-so-slight damage.)
Cdoberman
Jippes inks Khaos story?
Message 179 -
1995-09-20 at 06:20:31
Harry:
"Do you mean Gladstone credits JIPPES for the INKING of the story?
Who on earth gave them that idea??"
I don't know where they got the information, but Gladstone lists the creative
team as: Written by Jan Kruse, translated and rescripted by Dwight Decker,
penciled by Ben Verhagen, inked by Daan Jippes.
They go on to announce that USA #36 will feature this same team's story "The
Diamond of Duncan McDuck."
-- Wes
"But, Mickey! It's SUICIDE! We'll be KILLED! How'll we ever land without
wheels?" -- Captain Doberman
"Do you mean Gladstone credits JIPPES for the INKING of the story?
Who on earth gave them that idea??"
I don't know where they got the information, but Gladstone lists the creative
team as: Written by Jan Kruse, translated and rescripted by Dwight Decker,
penciled by Ben Verhagen, inked by Daan Jippes.
They go on to announce that USA #36 will feature this same team's story "The
Diamond of Duncan McDuck."
-- Wes
"But, Mickey! It's SUICIDE! We'll be KILLED! How'll we ever land without
wheels?" -- Captain Doberman
Georges Helm
Disney comics in Luxembourg
Message 180 -
1995-09-20 at 09:37:52
ARTHUR:
In Luxembourg, ALL German and French Disney comics are available in the
whole country.
Some Italian (Topolino f.i.) and during summer holidays the Dutch DD are
available in Luxembourg city.
Luxembourgish is a language of its own.
ALL:
I am on the lookout for Mickey Mouse stories I read in the sixties
in German with a villain called "Schnauz". They were rather long stories
published as 'to-be-followed'. Any help as to the author is welcome.
Georges
In Luxembourg, ALL German and French Disney comics are available in the
whole country.
Some Italian (Topolino f.i.) and during summer holidays the Dutch DD are
available in Luxembourg city.
Luxembourgish is a language of its own.
ALL:
I am on the lookout for Mickey Mouse stories I read in the sixties
in German with a villain called "Schnauz". They were rather long stories
published as 'to-be-followed'. Any help as to the author is welcome.
Georges