hi.
Is it true that there were two Lion King comic books released last
year? If so, who made them?
Thanks,
Patti
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"Women and cats will do as they please and men and
dogs should relax and get used to the idea." -- RA Heinlein
Patti pargue01 at fiu.edu
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Author
Topic: 199509
(268 messages)
Just Me!
The Lion King Comic ?
Message 211 -
1995-09-25 at 03:33:57
JALustig
Story List
Message 212 -
1995-09-25 at 06:24:15
Harry:
Thanks for your interest in my stories. I could sent you a list of my
stories now, but I'm missing a few story codes. I expect to have that
information later this week--maybe even tomorrow. I'm having someone at
Egmont track down this and some related info I need. I'd rather send you it
all at once. As a result I don't know if I'll be able to post it before your
vacation.
BTW, I hope you're going some place fun.
Best Wishes,
John
Thanks for your interest in my stories. I could sent you a list of my
stories now, but I'm missing a few story codes. I expect to have that
information later this week--maybe even tomorrow. I'm having someone at
Egmont track down this and some related info I need. I'd rather send you it
all at once. As a result I don't know if I'll be able to post it before your
vacation.
BTW, I hope you're going some place fun.
Best Wishes,
John
Gaiist
Disney-comics digest #794.
Message 213 -
1995-09-25 at 08:29:23
>I don't understand this. Why is it important that Americans >make the new
>stories? Is that better for the quality of a story? If so, why?
>--Harry.
>....translators can make a story just as entertaining as the original.
>I enjoy good foreign stories as much as good American >stories. But
national
>pride does kick in a little when I read an original American >story.
>-- Wes
Wes is toooooo kind. The European stories are all pretty lame compared to
even the most mediocre material produced by the American Disney writers and
artists--including that originally published by Dell and the recent
Gladstone material by Rosa, Van Horn, and Block/Fernandez. Europeans tend to
manufacture padded stories with predictable plots, unsatisfying
characterization, and very little humor. But then, what can you expect?
Disney himself was a uniquely American phenomenon.
---Robert
>stories? Is that better for the quality of a story? If so, why?
>--Harry.
>....translators can make a story just as entertaining as the original.
>I enjoy good foreign stories as much as good American >stories. But
national
>pride does kick in a little when I read an original American >story.
>-- Wes
Wes is toooooo kind. The European stories are all pretty lame compared to
even the most mediocre material produced by the American Disney writers and
artists--including that originally published by Dell and the recent
Gladstone material by Rosa, Van Horn, and Block/Fernandez. Europeans tend to
manufacture padded stories with predictable plots, unsatisfying
characterization, and very little humor. But then, what can you expect?
Disney himself was a uniquely American phenomenon.
---Robert
Geir J. Netland
Knyt en Knut..
Message 214 -
1995-09-25 at 12:36:46
> > No I wonder if there have been other Rosa-covers
> >published only in Norway?
>
> Ah, well, see, I only subscribe to norwegian DD&Co., so I can tell you which
> stories have Rosa covers, but I don't know if they've been published
All the the norvegian Rosa covers have been published in the U.S.
exept: the "from Duckburc to Lillehammer" and the "treasure of Croesus"
cover. I think that DD&co #42 (the "extra-issue") whith "the lost
charts of Colombus" story will have a Rosa cover. I THINK this cover
is drawn for the norvegian issue.
Perhaps Don or Erik Hoerte can give an answer.
>
> I reread "RtX" and "SotS" yesterday. Is there any D.U.C.K in the "SotS" or
> hadn't he started with that yet?
>
There is D.U.C.K at the last page, but as far as I know, only
in the Swedish version.
---------------
Geir J. Netland
---------------
-IRA FUROR BREVIS EST,
-HUMANUM ERRARE EST.
----------------------
> >published only in Norway?
>
> Ah, well, see, I only subscribe to norwegian DD&Co., so I can tell you which
> stories have Rosa covers, but I don't know if they've been published
All the the norvegian Rosa covers have been published in the U.S.
exept: the "from Duckburc to Lillehammer" and the "treasure of Croesus"
cover. I think that DD&co #42 (the "extra-issue") whith "the lost
charts of Colombus" story will have a Rosa cover. I THINK this cover
is drawn for the norvegian issue.
Perhaps Don or Erik Hoerte can give an answer.
>
> I reread "RtX" and "SotS" yesterday. Is there any D.U.C.K in the "SotS" or
> hadn't he started with that yet?
>
There is D.U.C.K at the last page, but as far as I know, only
in the Swedish version.
---------------
Geir J. Netland
---------------
-IRA FUROR BREVIS EST,
-HUMANUM ERRARE EST.
----------------------
Jon Cato Lorentzen
Norwegian Covers
Message 215 -
1995-09-25 at 14:36:13
GEIR:
: All the the norvegian Rosa covers have been published in the U.S.
: exept: the "from Duckburc to Lillehammer" and the "treasure of Croesus"
: cover.
The first and second part of Life of Scrooge also came in a special issue
with a cover not reprinted in the U.S.
-jonC
: All the the norvegian Rosa covers have been published in the U.S.
: exept: the "from Duckburc to Lillehammer" and the "treasure of Croesus"
: cover.
The first and second part of Life of Scrooge also came in a special issue
with a cover not reprinted in the U.S.
-jonC
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #795.
Message 216 -
1995-09-25 at 14:53:00
KNUT:
Well, you're right -- $crooge tossing a tip (even if it was a penny)
to a doorman, or to tip ANYBODY, would be out of character, eh? I think I
was probably searching for an opening panel gag, and sorta showing how
$crooge or Donald probably don't really ever notice that little "helper"
like he's just omnipresent clutter in Gyro's shack. I feel like Gyro is so
used to him that he's only vaguely aware he (the Helper) is around. Of
course, the nephews are aware of everything at all times.
Never seen CITIZEN KANE? I'm one of those who thinks it's the
greatest film ever made, and by a wide margin. I've used it or quotes from
it in at least 5 or 6 stories, and have it ever-on-my-mind while doing any
$crooge tale. I don't doubt that my love for CK has some basis in my love of
$crooge. I personally see $crooge's philosophy of life very close to Kane's,
even though Kane is a guy who never worked for his money, but inherited it
all. But CK is all about a man searching for meaning and happiness in his
life based on the money he had and what he could buy and what people would
think of him, only to learn as he died that he lost all chance of happiness
the moment he became super-wealthy. I see this as pretty much the message of
the final page of "Only a Poor Old Man", though I see $crooge's few joys
coming not from his money but from his memories, something Kane did not
have. But Kane lost all chance of ever enjoying something like his old
"Rosebud" same as $crooge lost all chance of ever enjoying an ice cream soda
like Donald can. CITIZEN KANE is the classic story of how money and greed
lead to empty lives.
What was the episode of "Columbo" that had something to do with CK?
DAVID:
Yes, "The Incredible Shrinking Tightwad" is the story where the
Ducks are cleaning out an old closet in the Money Bin, and I show lots of
useless items left over from old Barks (and a few Rosa) stories.
No, you know I never talk about anything I do unless I'm
specifically asked by someone. That's why I'm so quiet when on convention
panels, and why I decline invitations to give lectures to groups while I'm
in Europe. I never feel comfortable deciding what people want to know about
something I'm doing... but if I'm asked a question, I'll yammer away far too
long. So, I'll never talk about my current projects unless asked to.
So, you're asking? For one thing, of course, I'm VERY slow since I'm
doing the whole job from idea to finished art, and I'm slow anyway, so I
don't DO that many stories. The last one I finished was the adventure
involving the historically accurate "King Arthur" that we discussed MANY
months ago. Now I'm doing a tale called something like "The Ten Avatars" or
"Treasure of the Ten Avatars" which involves $crooge on a search for the
lost city of Shambala, the capital of ancient India that turned back the
conquest-march of Alexander the Great in 326 BC. Lots of authentic Hindu
mythology and so forth. And I hadn't mentioned this yet either, but I've
been given permission to do this as a 28 page one-part story; now I think I
can do one or two of these a year again, and not be limited to the 24-page
3-parters that were causing me a bit of grief. Anyway, don't ask me if this
India story is any good -- I muck about with them for so long that I never
like any of them while I'm doing 'em. You'll need to decide if it sux eggs
or not when you see it someday.
Well, you're right -- $crooge tossing a tip (even if it was a penny)
to a doorman, or to tip ANYBODY, would be out of character, eh? I think I
was probably searching for an opening panel gag, and sorta showing how
$crooge or Donald probably don't really ever notice that little "helper"
like he's just omnipresent clutter in Gyro's shack. I feel like Gyro is so
used to him that he's only vaguely aware he (the Helper) is around. Of
course, the nephews are aware of everything at all times.
Never seen CITIZEN KANE? I'm one of those who thinks it's the
greatest film ever made, and by a wide margin. I've used it or quotes from
it in at least 5 or 6 stories, and have it ever-on-my-mind while doing any
$crooge tale. I don't doubt that my love for CK has some basis in my love of
$crooge. I personally see $crooge's philosophy of life very close to Kane's,
even though Kane is a guy who never worked for his money, but inherited it
all. But CK is all about a man searching for meaning and happiness in his
life based on the money he had and what he could buy and what people would
think of him, only to learn as he died that he lost all chance of happiness
the moment he became super-wealthy. I see this as pretty much the message of
the final page of "Only a Poor Old Man", though I see $crooge's few joys
coming not from his money but from his memories, something Kane did not
have. But Kane lost all chance of ever enjoying something like his old
"Rosebud" same as $crooge lost all chance of ever enjoying an ice cream soda
like Donald can. CITIZEN KANE is the classic story of how money and greed
lead to empty lives.
What was the episode of "Columbo" that had something to do with CK?
DAVID:
Yes, "The Incredible Shrinking Tightwad" is the story where the
Ducks are cleaning out an old closet in the Money Bin, and I show lots of
useless items left over from old Barks (and a few Rosa) stories.
No, you know I never talk about anything I do unless I'm
specifically asked by someone. That's why I'm so quiet when on convention
panels, and why I decline invitations to give lectures to groups while I'm
in Europe. I never feel comfortable deciding what people want to know about
something I'm doing... but if I'm asked a question, I'll yammer away far too
long. So, I'll never talk about my current projects unless asked to.
So, you're asking? For one thing, of course, I'm VERY slow since I'm
doing the whole job from idea to finished art, and I'm slow anyway, so I
don't DO that many stories. The last one I finished was the adventure
involving the historically accurate "King Arthur" that we discussed MANY
months ago. Now I'm doing a tale called something like "The Ten Avatars" or
"Treasure of the Ten Avatars" which involves $crooge on a search for the
lost city of Shambala, the capital of ancient India that turned back the
conquest-march of Alexander the Great in 326 BC. Lots of authentic Hindu
mythology and so forth. And I hadn't mentioned this yet either, but I've
been given permission to do this as a 28 page one-part story; now I think I
can do one or two of these a year again, and not be limited to the 24-page
3-parters that were causing me a bit of grief. Anyway, don't ask me if this
India story is any good -- I muck about with them for so long that I never
like any of them while I'm doing 'em. You'll need to decide if it sux eggs
or not when you see it someday.
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Don and Robert
Message 217 -
1995-09-25 at 15:28:23
DON:
> Yes, it was based on the cover for my "Last Sled to Dawson" story on
> UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES #5 from 1988, and the reason I was anxious
> to try the cover again was the fact that even back then it hadn't
> come close to the way I'd intended (notice, for one thing, that
> there was no Northern Lights in the first version, though it had
> been on my artwork).
So, you mean that the editor cut away the background of that cover?
Does the original cover still exist?
ROBERT:
> Wes is toooooo kind. The European stories are all pretty lame
> compared to even the most mediocre material produced by the
> American Disney writers and artists--including that originally
> published by Dell and the recent Gladstone material by Rosa, Van
> Horn, and Block/Fernandez. Europeans tend to manufacture padded
> stories with predictable plots, unsatisfying characterization, and
> very little humor. But then, what can you expect? Disney himself
> was a uniquely American phenomenon.
Well, I agree that it's very hard to compete for Europe when the
U.S.A. has artists like Carl Barks and Don Rosa. ;-)
I think that with "European stories" you are referring to the Egmont
stories. In Holland we're overloaded now with these stories in the
Dutch weekly. IMHO the stories from Egmont certainly look like mass-
production. It's not that the art is bad or something (in fact it's
good), but the stories seem to show a certain *routine* instead of
showing a *heart* in them.
I'm glad that we still have some artists with an unique style here in
Holland, like Jippes (although he doesn't live here) and Maurits
Heymans. We also have the scripter Jan Kruse. Unfortunately the Dutch
weekly doesn't publish much stories of them now.
Greetings,
--- Daniel
> Yes, it was based on the cover for my "Last Sled to Dawson" story on
> UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES #5 from 1988, and the reason I was anxious
> to try the cover again was the fact that even back then it hadn't
> come close to the way I'd intended (notice, for one thing, that
> there was no Northern Lights in the first version, though it had
> been on my artwork).
So, you mean that the editor cut away the background of that cover?
Does the original cover still exist?
ROBERT:
> Wes is toooooo kind. The European stories are all pretty lame
> compared to even the most mediocre material produced by the
> American Disney writers and artists--including that originally
> published by Dell and the recent Gladstone material by Rosa, Van
> Horn, and Block/Fernandez. Europeans tend to manufacture padded
> stories with predictable plots, unsatisfying characterization, and
> very little humor. But then, what can you expect? Disney himself
> was a uniquely American phenomenon.
Well, I agree that it's very hard to compete for Europe when the
U.S.A. has artists like Carl Barks and Don Rosa. ;-)
I think that with "European stories" you are referring to the Egmont
stories. In Holland we're overloaded now with these stories in the
Dutch weekly. IMHO the stories from Egmont certainly look like mass-
production. It's not that the art is bad or something (in fact it's
good), but the stories seem to show a certain *routine* instead of
showing a *heart* in them.
I'm glad that we still have some artists with an unique style here in
Holland, like Jippes (although he doesn't live here) and Maurits
Heymans. We also have the scripter Jan Kruse. Unfortunately the Dutch
weekly doesn't publish much stories of them now.
Greetings,
--- Daniel
Knut Hunstad
U$ tipping, Citizen Kane ++
Message 218 -
1995-09-25 at 16:26:43
Hi!
From Don:
>KNUT:
> Well, you're right -- $crooge tossing a tip (even if it was a penny)
>to a doorman, or to tip ANYBODY, would be out of character, eh? I think I
>was probably searching for an opening panel gag, and sorta showing how
>$crooge or Donald probably don't really ever notice that little "helper"
>like he's just omnipresent clutter in Gyro's shack. I feel like Gyro is so
>used to him that he's only vaguely aware he (the Helper) is around. Of
>course, the nephews are aware of everything at all times.
Well, I liked the gag itself, U$ suddenly talking to Little Helper and sort
of wondering what he really is.
> Never seen CITIZEN KANE? I'm one of those who thinks it's the
>greatest film ever made, and by a wide margin.
Doesn't really surprise me, as you can imagine :-) Didn't know it had such
resemblance to U$ before. I'll check the video-store within the next few days...
> What was the episode of "Columbo" that had something to do with CK?
I saw this a long time ago, before I even knew the meaning of "Rosebud". But
it just stuck into my head, this word. Well, the plot is like this: a guy
(A) has been killed by another guys (B) two Dobermans (or where they
Rottweilers?). A was alone in Bs house while B was at his doctor. The clue
was the Dobermans where trained to attack anyone who said the word:
"Rosebud". So B made a phonecall while at his doctor and asked A what was
written on this sleigh on his wall (claiming a bet was going on). Get the
point? B has an alibi, the dogs are normally not aggressive at all etc.
Can't remember seeing this trick ever used anywhere else in a crime story.
Perhaps an idea for a Mickey story??? BTW, Colombo found of it, of course...
>months ago. Now I'm doing a tale called something like "The Ten Avatars" or
I had never heard the word "Avatar" before you last mentioned this story on
the list. The next day I read an article about 3D interactive communication
over internet. You can create a 3D-figure to represent yourself, so that
others "chatting" with you see you as that figure on their own computer.
This representation is called an "Avatar"! So the word might suddenly have
become commonplace (at least among techno-freaks) before your story comes out...
Knut
From Don:
>KNUT:
> Well, you're right -- $crooge tossing a tip (even if it was a penny)
>to a doorman, or to tip ANYBODY, would be out of character, eh? I think I
>was probably searching for an opening panel gag, and sorta showing how
>$crooge or Donald probably don't really ever notice that little "helper"
>like he's just omnipresent clutter in Gyro's shack. I feel like Gyro is so
>used to him that he's only vaguely aware he (the Helper) is around. Of
>course, the nephews are aware of everything at all times.
Well, I liked the gag itself, U$ suddenly talking to Little Helper and sort
of wondering what he really is.
> Never seen CITIZEN KANE? I'm one of those who thinks it's the
>greatest film ever made, and by a wide margin.
Doesn't really surprise me, as you can imagine :-) Didn't know it had such
resemblance to U$ before. I'll check the video-store within the next few days...
> What was the episode of "Columbo" that had something to do with CK?
I saw this a long time ago, before I even knew the meaning of "Rosebud". But
it just stuck into my head, this word. Well, the plot is like this: a guy
(A) has been killed by another guys (B) two Dobermans (or where they
Rottweilers?). A was alone in Bs house while B was at his doctor. The clue
was the Dobermans where trained to attack anyone who said the word:
"Rosebud". So B made a phonecall while at his doctor and asked A what was
written on this sleigh on his wall (claiming a bet was going on). Get the
point? B has an alibi, the dogs are normally not aggressive at all etc.
Can't remember seeing this trick ever used anywhere else in a crime story.
Perhaps an idea for a Mickey story??? BTW, Colombo found of it, of course...
>months ago. Now I'm doing a tale called something like "The Ten Avatars" or
I had never heard the word "Avatar" before you last mentioned this story on
the list. The next day I read an article about 3D interactive communication
over internet. You can create a 3D-figure to represent yourself, so that
others "chatting" with you see you as that figure on their own computer.
This representation is called an "Avatar"! So the word might suddenly have
become commonplace (at least among techno-freaks) before your story comes out...
Knut
Knut Hunstad
U$ tipping, Citizen Kane ++
Message 219 -
1995-09-25 at 16:42:27
Hi!
This message reached my mailbox in 2 parts when I first sent it: 1 with only
myself as receiver (with most of the message) and another with the list as
receiver and only the "Hi!" in the message. So I try to resend it. Sorry
about the mess...
From Don:
>KNUT:
> Well, you're right -- $crooge tossing a tip (even if it was a penny)
>to a doorman, or to tip ANYBODY, would be out of character, eh? I think I
>was probably searching for an opening panel gag, and sorta showing how
>$crooge or Donald probably don't really ever notice that little "helper"
>like he's just omnipresent clutter in Gyro's shack. I feel like Gyro is so
>used to him that he's only vaguely aware he (the Helper) is around. Of
>course, the nephews are aware of everything at all times.
Well, I liked the gag itself, U$ suddenly talking to Little Helper and sort
of wondering what he really is.
> Never seen CITIZEN KANE? I'm one of those who thinks it's the
>greatest film ever made, and by a wide margin.
Doesn't really surprise me, as you can imagine :-) Didn't know it had such
resemblance to U$ before. I'll check the video-store within the next few days...
> What was the episode of "Columbo" that had something to do with CK?
I saw this a long time ago, before I even knew the meaning of "Rosebud". But
it just stuck into my head, this word. Well, the plot is like this: a guy
(A) has been killed by another guys (B) two Dobermans (or where they
Rottweilers?). A was alone in Bs house while B was at his doctor. The clue
was the Dobermans where trained to attack anyone who said the word:
"Rosebud". So B made a phonecall while at his doctor and asked A what was
written on this sleigh on his wall (claiming a bet was going on). Get the
point? B has an alibi, the dogs are normally not aggressive at all etc.
Can't remember seeing this trick ever used anywhere else in a crime story.
Perhaps an idea for a Mickey story??? BTW, Colombo found of it, of course...
>months ago. Now I'm doing a tale called something like "The Ten Avatars" or
I had never heard the word "Avatar" before you last mentioned this story on
the list. The next day I read an article about 3D interactive communication
over internet. You can create a 3D-figure to represent yourself, so that
others "chatting" with you see you as that figure on their own computer.
This representation is called an "Avatar"! So the word might suddenly have
become commonplace (at least among techno-freaks) before your story comes out...
Knut
This message reached my mailbox in 2 parts when I first sent it: 1 with only
myself as receiver (with most of the message) and another with the list as
receiver and only the "Hi!" in the message. So I try to resend it. Sorry
about the mess...
From Don:
>KNUT:
> Well, you're right -- $crooge tossing a tip (even if it was a penny)
>to a doorman, or to tip ANYBODY, would be out of character, eh? I think I
>was probably searching for an opening panel gag, and sorta showing how
>$crooge or Donald probably don't really ever notice that little "helper"
>like he's just omnipresent clutter in Gyro's shack. I feel like Gyro is so
>used to him that he's only vaguely aware he (the Helper) is around. Of
>course, the nephews are aware of everything at all times.
Well, I liked the gag itself, U$ suddenly talking to Little Helper and sort
of wondering what he really is.
> Never seen CITIZEN KANE? I'm one of those who thinks it's the
>greatest film ever made, and by a wide margin.
Doesn't really surprise me, as you can imagine :-) Didn't know it had such
resemblance to U$ before. I'll check the video-store within the next few days...
> What was the episode of "Columbo" that had something to do with CK?
I saw this a long time ago, before I even knew the meaning of "Rosebud". But
it just stuck into my head, this word. Well, the plot is like this: a guy
(A) has been killed by another guys (B) two Dobermans (or where they
Rottweilers?). A was alone in Bs house while B was at his doctor. The clue
was the Dobermans where trained to attack anyone who said the word:
"Rosebud". So B made a phonecall while at his doctor and asked A what was
written on this sleigh on his wall (claiming a bet was going on). Get the
point? B has an alibi, the dogs are normally not aggressive at all etc.
Can't remember seeing this trick ever used anywhere else in a crime story.
Perhaps an idea for a Mickey story??? BTW, Colombo found of it, of course...
>months ago. Now I'm doing a tale called something like "The Ten Avatars" or
I had never heard the word "Avatar" before you last mentioned this story on
the list. The next day I read an article about 3D interactive communication
over internet. You can create a 3D-figure to represent yourself, so that
others "chatting" with you see you as that figure on their own computer.
This representation is called an "Avatar"! So the word might suddenly have
become commonplace (at least among techno-freaks) before your story comes out...
Knut
Fumetti
Don and Robert
Message 220 -
1995-09-25 at 17:23:03
>ROBERT:
>> Wes is toooooo kind. The European stories are all pretty lame
>> compared to even the most mediocre material produced by the
>> American Disney writers and artists--including that originally
>> published by Dell and the recent Gladstone material by Rosa, Van
>> Horn, and Block/Fernandez. Europeans tend to manufacture padded
>> stories with predictable plots, unsatisfying characterization, and
>> very little humor. But then, what can you expect? Disney himself
>> was a uniquely American phenomenon.
Mh. Surely Disney was a phenomenon, but of what kind? May be he even did not
like very much Comics...
"Europeans" what does it mean? Did you read stories by Scarpa, Cavazzano, De
Vita, Rota? Are talking just about European *Disney* comics? What about Hugo
Pratt, Franquin, Goscinny etc... ? Even in the USA there is a big lot of
difference between Disney comics, Calvin & Hobbes, Will Eisner...
So. It seems we are starting a flame war...
Gianfranco Goria, cartoonist and comics divulger: goria at inrete.alpcom.it
president of Anonima Fumetti - Italian cartoonists society: fumetti at alpcom.it
http://www.alpcom.it/fumetti/
>> Wes is toooooo kind. The European stories are all pretty lame
>> compared to even the most mediocre material produced by the
>> American Disney writers and artists--including that originally
>> published by Dell and the recent Gladstone material by Rosa, Van
>> Horn, and Block/Fernandez. Europeans tend to manufacture padded
>> stories with predictable plots, unsatisfying characterization, and
>> very little humor. But then, what can you expect? Disney himself
>> was a uniquely American phenomenon.
Mh. Surely Disney was a phenomenon, but of what kind? May be he even did not
like very much Comics...
"Europeans" what does it mean? Did you read stories by Scarpa, Cavazzano, De
Vita, Rota? Are talking just about European *Disney* comics? What about Hugo
Pratt, Franquin, Goscinny etc... ? Even in the USA there is a big lot of
difference between Disney comics, Calvin & Hobbes, Will Eisner...
So. It seems we are starting a flame war...
Gianfranco Goria, cartoonist and comics divulger: goria at inrete.alpcom.it
president of Anonima Fumetti - Italian cartoonists society: fumetti at alpcom.it
http://www.alpcom.it/fumetti/
H.W. Fluks
Halloween (digest #793)
Message 221 -
1995-09-25 at 18:46:45
Mike:
> it's nice to see SOME
> interest among American comic creators in working with them. I think it
> can affect the story though - since Halloween, as far as I know, is ONLY
> an American holiday, I doubt if any European stories would use it.
That's a good point. The few Halloween stories Barks made were changed into
"Carnival" stories in Holland. Except "Trick or Treat", which had an
explanation on the letters page of the comic: "Every year they have a
celebration in Duckburg and in whole America...". "Trick or Treat" was
first published in Holland in February/March, so for some years I thought
Halloween was an American alternative for our Easter feasts or so.
--Harry.
> it's nice to see SOME
> interest among American comic creators in working with them. I think it
> can affect the story though - since Halloween, as far as I know, is ONLY
> an American holiday, I doubt if any European stories would use it.
That's a good point. The few Halloween stories Barks made were changed into
"Carnival" stories in Holland. Except "Trick or Treat", which had an
explanation on the letters page of the comic: "Every year they have a
celebration in Duckburg and in whole America...". "Trick or Treat" was
first published in Holland in February/March, so for some years I thought
Halloween was an American alternative for our Easter feasts or so.
--Harry.
H.W. Fluks
Santa's stormy visit
Message 222 -
1995-09-25 at 18:50:48
DANIEL/DAVID:
Recently, I got xerox copies of the original giveaway comic containing
Barks' "Santa's Stormy Visit". I compared the xeroxes with the version
published in Gladstone's CBL in Color album, and they were EXACTLY the same.
So there seems no need to look for a German edition of this story.
DAVID: to which version did you compare this German version? Did the
Black-and-white CBL print a version differing from the CBL in color?
--Harry.
Recently, I got xerox copies of the original giveaway comic containing
Barks' "Santa's Stormy Visit". I compared the xeroxes with the version
published in Gladstone's CBL in Color album, and they were EXACTLY the same.
So there seems no need to look for a German edition of this story.
DAVID: to which version did you compare this German version? Did the
Black-and-white CBL print a version differing from the CBL in color?
--Harry.
H.W. Fluks
Uncles and Jippes (digest #794)
Message 223 -
1995-09-25 at 19:17:11
Jakob So/derbaum is talking in riddles:
> HARRY W. FLUKS (Tag en flukt pa den! ;-) ):
Nej, jag forstaa det inte. Or so. (My Swedish is probably worse
than Dwight's Dutch... 8-)
> No, to be serious; who *is* "uncle Aaldrik", BTW.?
Aaldrik is the name of my father. My point was, that Ludwig
Von Drake can't possibly be HDL's father, because they call
him "uncle".
> Don't know. But they also call Scrooge "Uncle". And he ain't
> *their* uncle for sure!
But there is no usual name for "grandmother's brother". At least
not in English or Dutch. Maybe in Swedish? "farmorbror" or so?
> Well, HDL call Scrooge "Uncle", and it's also unusual to call
> their grandma's brother that, don't you think?
No, that's VERY usual. All distant relatives are "uncles" and
"aunts".
About re-inked Junior Woodchucks-scripts:
> Stefan Dios (our Duck- and
> Mice-magazine translator) wrote about it in NAFS(k)uriren Nr.24.
Thanks for the translation. But his article didn't contain anything we did
not already know.
Quoting Stefan Dio"s:
> I'm not able to describe exactly how it all
> happened, but what's going on is that the Dutchman Daan Jippes is
> re-drawing all of those old stories after Barks' original
> sketches. Because of the 'H' (as in Holland) in the story-code I
> suppose that it's the Dutch Disney-publisher Oberon that is the
> source to the project...
Oberon (now called GP) ran out of reprintable Barks-stories. They wanted
to reprint the JW stories, but they did not like the artwork. At the same
time, Jippes offered to do something for them, so he could make some
extra money. So Thom Roep xeroxed the pencil pages from the Carl Barks
Library, and mailed them to Jippes. Jippes had the freedom to choose the
stories he liked first.
> So now he has studied the original Barks-sketches slavily and
> inked those old Junior Woodchucks-stories *exactly* in Barks own
> style. He even changed back all the things that Western-
> publishing changed in Barks' sketches!
He didn't have to "change back" anything, because he worked from
the original scripts. He just ignored the fat black lines from the editor.
(Back to Jakob:)
> And I can also tell you, Daniel, that Jippes IS to re-ink every
> single one of those Junior Woodchucks-stories!
Now where did you get that information? The last thing I heard (from GP)
is that Jippes STOPPED drawing them, but that Thom Roep is continuously
pushing him to go on.
--Harry.
> HARRY W. FLUKS (Tag en flukt pa den! ;-) ):
Nej, jag forstaa det inte. Or so. (My Swedish is probably worse
than Dwight's Dutch... 8-)
> No, to be serious; who *is* "uncle Aaldrik", BTW.?
Aaldrik is the name of my father. My point was, that Ludwig
Von Drake can't possibly be HDL's father, because they call
him "uncle".
> Don't know. But they also call Scrooge "Uncle". And he ain't
> *their* uncle for sure!
But there is no usual name for "grandmother's brother". At least
not in English or Dutch. Maybe in Swedish? "farmorbror" or so?
> Well, HDL call Scrooge "Uncle", and it's also unusual to call
> their grandma's brother that, don't you think?
No, that's VERY usual. All distant relatives are "uncles" and
"aunts".
About re-inked Junior Woodchucks-scripts:
> Stefan Dios (our Duck- and
> Mice-magazine translator) wrote about it in NAFS(k)uriren Nr.24.
Thanks for the translation. But his article didn't contain anything we did
not already know.
Quoting Stefan Dio"s:
> I'm not able to describe exactly how it all
> happened, but what's going on is that the Dutchman Daan Jippes is
> re-drawing all of those old stories after Barks' original
> sketches. Because of the 'H' (as in Holland) in the story-code I
> suppose that it's the Dutch Disney-publisher Oberon that is the
> source to the project...
Oberon (now called GP) ran out of reprintable Barks-stories. They wanted
to reprint the JW stories, but they did not like the artwork. At the same
time, Jippes offered to do something for them, so he could make some
extra money. So Thom Roep xeroxed the pencil pages from the Carl Barks
Library, and mailed them to Jippes. Jippes had the freedom to choose the
stories he liked first.
> So now he has studied the original Barks-sketches slavily and
> inked those old Junior Woodchucks-stories *exactly* in Barks own
> style. He even changed back all the things that Western-
> publishing changed in Barks' sketches!
He didn't have to "change back" anything, because he worked from
the original scripts. He just ignored the fat black lines from the editor.
(Back to Jakob:)
> And I can also tell you, Daniel, that Jippes IS to re-ink every
> single one of those Junior Woodchucks-stories!
Now where did you get that information? The last thing I heard (from GP)
is that Jippes STOPPED drawing them, but that Thom Roep is continuously
pushing him to go on.
--Harry.
H.W. Fluks
Rawson/Gori/Gilbert/Decker/Lustig indexes
Message 224 -
1995-09-25 at 19:29:06
Thanks, Dave, and Gianfranco, for you story lists! In my previous mail
about this, I forgot to mention Janet Gilbert. Janet, you are of course
invited too, to give a list of stories by you and Michael!
(Who else did I forget?
DWIGHT: didn't you write stories for the foreign market in the 80s?)
Story codes would be nice, but if they are missing, I can always make some
up. I did that with not-yet-publshed Don Rosa stories. That way, we
DO have a complete list of stories.
Dave:
> [NOTE: "Ducks" means Scrooge, Donald & the Nephews together.]
But isn't one of them the title character?
John:
> As a result I don't know if I'll be able to post it before your
> vacation.
And I'm not sure if I have the time to handle all this information before
my vacation! Last friday, Lars Olsson gave me a very big Swedish index,
which means quite a bit of work to include it in the database!
But I'm trying...
> BTW, I hope you're going some place fun.
I hope so too! Thanks. (BTW: I'm going to Turkey.)
--Harry.
about this, I forgot to mention Janet Gilbert. Janet, you are of course
invited too, to give a list of stories by you and Michael!
(Who else did I forget?
DWIGHT: didn't you write stories for the foreign market in the 80s?)
Story codes would be nice, but if they are missing, I can always make some
up. I did that with not-yet-publshed Don Rosa stories. That way, we
DO have a complete list of stories.
Dave:
> [NOTE: "Ducks" means Scrooge, Donald & the Nephews together.]
But isn't one of them the title character?
John:
> As a result I don't know if I'll be able to post it before your
> vacation.
And I'm not sure if I have the time to handle all this information before
my vacation! Last friday, Lars Olsson gave me a very big Swedish index,
which means quite a bit of work to include it in the database!
But I'm trying...
> BTW, I hope you're going some place fun.
I hope so too! Thanks. (BTW: I'm going to Turkey.)
--Harry.
Wilmer Rivers
Alexander, avatars, and rosebuds
Message 225 -
1995-09-25 at 22:20:20
Don Rosa writes:
> Now I'm doing a tale called something like "The Ten Avatars" or
> "Treasure of the Ten Avatars" which involves $crooge on a search for
> the lost city of Shambala, the capital of ancient India that turned
> back the conquest-march of Alexander the Great in 326 BC. Lots of
> authentic Hindu mythology and so forth.
The classic story of modern-day (well, 19th century) fortune hunters
on the trail of Alexander the Great in India is of course Rudyard
Kipling's "The Man Who Would Be King". A rip-roaring yarn, full of
adventure in the Himalayas and of treasure at least rivaling even
Scrooge's. Will your story make lots of references to that one, just
as "Return to Xanadu" made references not only to Barks' story but also
to Samuel Coleridge's poem and to James Hilton's "Lost Horizon" (especi-
ally to the movie version)? Of course, it would be hard to envision
our heroes in a movie of "The Duck Who Would Be King" - Scrooge as Sean
Connery, OK, but Donald as Michael Caine? I think not.
Knut.Hunstad at veg.sintef.no writes:
> I had never heard the word "Avatar" before you last mentioned this
> story on the list.
While on the subject of "avatars", that word actually is in common use
in American comics. A classic hero in DC comics, along with Superman,
Wonder Woman, Batman, etc., is Doctor Fate. For a long time he has been
the "avatar" of the Lords of Order, supernatural beings who abhor dis-
order and who would therefore never get personally involved in so messy
a state of affairs as human life but who nevertheless require an agent
here on earth through whom they can act in their eternal battles with
the Lords of Chaos. They therefore use Doctor Fate as their "avatar"
in this earthly realm of unpleasantly high entropy. Incidentally, in
the last 2 or 3 runs of this comic book, the authors have mixed in (or
perhaps more accurately, mixed up) some Eastern religious concepts,
especially Hindu, about the function of an "avatar" of the gods.
Finally, while we're reviewing our vocabulary, 2 recent threads on this
news group tie together. The 2 threads are the definition of "deflower-
ing" and the meaning of "Rosebud" in "Citizen Kane". What ties them
together is a famous 16th century poem by Andrew Marvell [presumably no
relation either to Marvel Comics or to DC Comics' Captain Marvel].
The poem begins "Gather ye rosebuds while ye may," and it's an admoni-
tion to enjoy life, especially carnal pleasures, while you have the
chance. (Charles Foster Kane's failure was that he spent his whole
life "gathering" things and not stopping to smell the roses.) The title
of the Marvell poem is "To the Virgins, to Make the Most of Time," and
it has a lot to do with "deflowering". It should also be noted that it
is rumored that the sled in the movie was named Rosebud on account of
something having to do both with carnal pleasures and with Marian
Davies, the girlfriend of William Randolph Hearst (the real-life figure
on whom the fictional character of Kane was based), but I'm not about
to go into the sordid details here! We now return you to your regularly
scheduled Duck discussions.
Wilmer Rivers
> Now I'm doing a tale called something like "The Ten Avatars" or
> "Treasure of the Ten Avatars" which involves $crooge on a search for
> the lost city of Shambala, the capital of ancient India that turned
> back the conquest-march of Alexander the Great in 326 BC. Lots of
> authentic Hindu mythology and so forth.
The classic story of modern-day (well, 19th century) fortune hunters
on the trail of Alexander the Great in India is of course Rudyard
Kipling's "The Man Who Would Be King". A rip-roaring yarn, full of
adventure in the Himalayas and of treasure at least rivaling even
Scrooge's. Will your story make lots of references to that one, just
as "Return to Xanadu" made references not only to Barks' story but also
to Samuel Coleridge's poem and to James Hilton's "Lost Horizon" (especi-
ally to the movie version)? Of course, it would be hard to envision
our heroes in a movie of "The Duck Who Would Be King" - Scrooge as Sean
Connery, OK, but Donald as Michael Caine? I think not.
Knut.Hunstad at veg.sintef.no writes:
> I had never heard the word "Avatar" before you last mentioned this
> story on the list.
While on the subject of "avatars", that word actually is in common use
in American comics. A classic hero in DC comics, along with Superman,
Wonder Woman, Batman, etc., is Doctor Fate. For a long time he has been
the "avatar" of the Lords of Order, supernatural beings who abhor dis-
order and who would therefore never get personally involved in so messy
a state of affairs as human life but who nevertheless require an agent
here on earth through whom they can act in their eternal battles with
the Lords of Chaos. They therefore use Doctor Fate as their "avatar"
in this earthly realm of unpleasantly high entropy. Incidentally, in
the last 2 or 3 runs of this comic book, the authors have mixed in (or
perhaps more accurately, mixed up) some Eastern religious concepts,
especially Hindu, about the function of an "avatar" of the gods.
Finally, while we're reviewing our vocabulary, 2 recent threads on this
news group tie together. The 2 threads are the definition of "deflower-
ing" and the meaning of "Rosebud" in "Citizen Kane". What ties them
together is a famous 16th century poem by Andrew Marvell [presumably no
relation either to Marvel Comics or to DC Comics' Captain Marvel].
The poem begins "Gather ye rosebuds while ye may," and it's an admoni-
tion to enjoy life, especially carnal pleasures, while you have the
chance. (Charles Foster Kane's failure was that he spent his whole
life "gathering" things and not stopping to smell the roses.) The title
of the Marvell poem is "To the Virgins, to Make the Most of Time," and
it has a lot to do with "deflowering". It should also be noted that it
is rumored that the sled in the movie was named Rosebud on account of
something having to do both with carnal pleasures and with Marian
Davies, the girlfriend of William Randolph Hearst (the real-life figure
on whom the fictional character of Kane was based), but I'm not about
to go into the sordid details here! We now return you to your regularly
scheduled Duck discussions.
Wilmer Rivers