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HENRI wrote:
>> Do you mean the Mickey story was by *Noel* Van Horn?

Trygve replied:
> The Scrooge story was by WILLIAM Van Horn (AR139).

The Finnish issue is different again. We had a Mickey
story instead of AR139. The Mickey story is not by Noel
Van Horn. In fact I don't know who the artist is. (It's
not Ferioli either.)

/Mikko

I have a couple copies of the album WD Comics 1st Appearances which I
picked up at a Walmart store. In each album came (are you ready
collectors??) a serially numbered "Collectors Sheet" featuring "The Legend
of Carl Barks." There's two pictures of Carl...one holding his Disney
Legends trophy and the other of him speaking at a podium while flanked by
Roy Disney and Michael Eisner.

On the reverse side of this four-color item is a list of Barks' most famous
characters and their first appearances. At the bottom of the card is a
color rendition of the line art from the Overstreet Price Guide #7 that
features from left to right G.Goldie, Blackjack, Hairy Hermit, Beagle Boys,
Magica de Spell, Scrooge standing on a bag of money in a defensive posture,
Porkman de Lardo, Flinheart, the Jr. Woodchuck Commander-in Chief, Gyro,
the Helper, Gladstone and Bombie. The card measures 8" x 8"

ALSO...this came packaged with a comic entitled "Donald & Scrooge #1"... lo
and behold, this is really a reprint of "The Money Pit" and "On Stolen
Time" but it utilizes the cover from Donald Duck Adventures #1 !!!

As for the carved Scrooge: I located this at The Animation Celection 1002
Prospect Street La Jolla, CA (that's the VERY upscale are in San Diego)
(619) 459-4278

HARRY FLUKS:

<<The bibliography [Barrier's "Carl Barks and the Art of the Comic Book"] has
a lot of comments on stories, by Barks himself and by Kim Weston. This makes
the bibliography also enjoyable to read.>>

It is indeed--though, as I mentioned, it's a bit irritating that Barrier
is such an adherent of Barks that he doesn't bother to mention anyone else
who worked on those stories for the most part, even if such information was
easily available.

DAVID GERSTEIN:

<<Upon getting the license originally, a lot of funny animal
fans behind the scenes at DC were excited to reprint some hardback books of
the earliest WB comics (from early 1940s) and of course, Barks' story, too.
But... the powers that ranked on top over there decreed that
NO old Looney Tunes-related comics from any period could be reprinted in any
form. >>

Actually, I suspect another reason is that they figured, since even their
old superhero material didn't sell well enough to continue (SUPERMAN ARCHIVES
and the like), the market wasn't there for LOONEY TUNES ARCHIVES. Still,
maybe wiser heads will prevail...that philosophy seems a lot like that of
Mort Weisinger in the early '60's, but it changed soon enough.

JOHN LUSTIG:

Sorry to lose you; I've really enjoyed your postings. I hope matters
improve for Laura.

DON MARKSTEIN:

<< Surely, the original Bambi story is in the public domain by now? The movie
came out 54 years ago, and while I can't find the original date of the book
offhand, it must be a good deal older. And the author has been dead 51 years,
so even if it's under a life-plus-fifty deal, it must have expired.>>

Not necessarily. The "life-plus-fifty deal" applies, at least in this
country, only to material published after 1978. Other than that it's a
straight 75 years (extended from the original maximum of 56 years, but now
there's pressure to raise it to 90!) for anything published before that
(including Salten's novel), as well as for anything copyrighted by a
corporation. (Hence Isaac Asimov copyrighted many of his last books under the
corporate name "Nightfall, Inc." He didn't know when he would die but
suspected it would be before 25 years had passed, so he gained some copyright
time for his family that way.)

<<Isn't the usual procedure to do comic book stories as if the movie ending
hadn't happened yet? Pinocchio appears as a puppet, Ariel as a mermaid, etc.
The precedent would seem to indicate a young Bambi.>>

It seems to depend on the movie. In those two cases you're right, though
I don't recall seing Pinocchio in very many comic book stories, the movie
adaptation(s) aside...supporting characters like Figaro and especially Jiminy
Cricket were used much more. On the other hand, other characters *do*
apparently have their movie experiences behind them: Dumbo has learned to
fly, Aladdin and Jasmine are engaged, Snow White is (usually) married to the
Prince and often visits the Seven Dwarfs, etc.

<< One thing I don't understand about that "no Dell Looney Tunes material"
edict from DC is, if they don't TELL the kids it's old, they won't KNOW it.
Promotional material could emphasize Barks, who as we all know is still
creating new material, without saying a word about when he did it. Even if
(as is not
always the case) they were to put the original copyright date on it -- hey,
anybody who looks that closely already knows it's old anyway. (I know, I know
--"But tell THEM that.")>>

Absolutely! Surely most kids suspect the classic Warner characters date
back many years even if they don't know it, and Warner doesn't seem to have
any trouble with it (indeed, the ANIMANIACS ostensibly date back that far
even though they actually don't). And since the characters weren't
specifically stopped or restarted like some of the "mainstream" DC super-
heroes like Superman and Wonder Woman, why would it matter? A lot of those
edicts get reversed, officially or unofficially, with every change of
management anyway.

<< Archie has licensed the Hanna-Barbera characters, but as far as I know,
those aren't mixed in with the MGM ones even if they are now owned by the
same company. The last comics company I know of to have licensed the MGMs is
Harvey, which WAS doing the Barks stories (tho in the form of translations
back into English of overseas reprints, thus losing his crisp, sparkling
dialog). Sid Jacobsen (sp?), late of Harvey, is packaging the H-B stuff for
Archie, so there's another tie-in, but I still don't think the MGMs are
licensed for American comics right now.>>

Interesting. So where does that leave Tom and Jerry, characters created
by Hanna-Barbera *for* MGM? (Probably the same place as Oswald the Rabbit,
not owned by Disney even though Walt himself created him...)

<<So, once again, how does one subscribe to the Ozzy Digest?>>

By e-mailing Dave Hardenbrook ((Email removed)) and asking to subscribe.

Catch you later!

Rich Morrissey

After a long delay, the Gladstone Website's "Lucky Sevens"
page has at last been updated.
You'll find lengthy synopses of the stories in DONALD DUCK
ADVENTURES 39, UNCLE SCROOGE ADVENTURES 39, DONALD DUCK AND MICKEY
MOUSE 6, WALT DISNEY GIANT 6, and DONALD DUCK 297. There are
photostats of the covers ready to look at now, and you'll also find
three "sneak previews" of stories in DDA 39, DDM 6, and WDG 6 (single
teaser pages from Barks, Verhagen, and Ferioli tales). My site has
actually mentioned page grabs as part of its contents for a while, but
now is the first time they've actually been there, and they will be a
regular feature from now on.
(The YEAR THAT WAS section of the Gladstone site is LONG
overdue for a tune-up... watch for a 1934 bio of the Big Bad Wolf
coming soon, with original illustrations never reprinted before! But
it will be a few weeks until I get a scanner set up back home.)

This follows on my previous letter marking my forthcoming
change of e-mail address and will be my final letter from this old
site. I fixed the Gladstone site so that its mail will reach me at my
new address, too:
(Email removed)
The Gladstone website is still at Williams, stored in
conjunction with some friends of mine there (although I continue to do
all the updating of it myself). For the foreseeable future it will be:
http://wso.williams.edu/~ktaylor/gerstein/gladstone

David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>

DON:
Having now read (and reread and reread) part 2 of OaFD, I have
more questions to ask. Mainly about the differences of the Finnish and
the English script. First, they think the solar generator is the Holy
Grail. It seems to me they invent the idea of Grail as they see it. Where
did they get the name for it? (is Grail ancient English or Welsh?) And
I could find no Monty Python quotes from the story (obviously, since I
didn't saw it in English). Could you provide us with a list of them. If
for no other reason, then to see whether the translator spotted them or not.

And you recently gave Jyrki a list of PP stories turned Duck. But
wasn't Incident at McDuck Tower a one, too?

>As for wandering druids, that would be a danger! But considering how seldom
>they would have been at Stonehenge, as well as the many centuries when they

Hmm... Well, you yourself mention that there were lotsa cows in
Stonehenge in the days of Arthur. I think you could've had Donald mention
something about materializing in a cow.

JOHN:
Sorry to see you go. And my best to Laura!

HARALD:
>There are those who read into the Arthurian legend the clash of
>Christianism (i.e. Guenevre [or whatever spelling you prefer]) overpowering

Wasn't the Holy Grail the bowl that contained the blood of the Christ?
(at least in some version)

--

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie

Hi!

I just got back from a comic convention in Haarlem, here in the
Netherlands. I bought loads of Disney comics. Very cheap. I bought a
large pile of old Gladstones for about 50 ($) cents a piece. The
pile (about 50 comics) even contained some old Gold Key comics! Cool he?

I talked to Mau and Bas Heymans for quite a while and was very
lucky to meet the new talented Sander Gulien.

Mau told me that Jippes is very busy drawing Junior Woodchucks-
stories (the ones Barks made only scripts of). He has been working on
one story for months now which is almost finished. Jippes has been
living in the States for years. Unfortunately he just seperated from
his wife after 16 years of marriage and is coming back to the Nether-
lands, where he will be drawing more JW-stories.
Mau Heymans wants to draw the JW-stories himself too! He
just finished one, which appeared in the latest Dutch Donald Duck
weekly! It looks nice! I had rather seen Jippes draw all those stories
but I'm glad at least SOMEONE is doing it! The story is JW21 "Music Hath
Charms" (now coded H9220).
I have compared the Heymans-version with the original Barks-script
and to my disappointment Heymans changed a LOT! Compared to Jippes,
who remained true to the script and made it look EXACTLY the same,
Mau drew the story more in his own way! Some panels were drawn from
a different angle and backgrounds were changed. Still it's nicely
done! Mau told me he enjoyed himself a lot making this story. He wants
to make more stories and maybe even redraw the ones someone else
(Tony Strobl?) drew!

Mau Heymans didn't know Gladstone was going to reprint the
"Hero 2000" story in Donald Duck #300. He was very pleased to hear that!

While Mau (and later Bas) was drawing a picture of Scrooge for
me, we were talking about various subjects. The Scrooge he was drawing for
me, was getting angrier every time I talked about Rosa! Everytime I
mentioned the name 'Rosa', Mau was drawing another dark cloud over
Scrooge's head or making more expression marks, making Scrooge look even
angrier! I noticed they still don't like Don. I still don't understand
their view of Rosa's artwork! They just don't like it <sigh>! They said
reprinting the "Life of Scrooge" parts in albums (which they're about to
do in Holland in July) was the biggest mistake they made for a while!
Mau still couldn't believe the editors made that decision!

There were some other Duck artists too. I can't remember their
names though. I only remember Michel Nadorp. Harry probably knows the
other names. Ofcourse Harry and I also met Frank Jonker, who writes
a lot of stories and provides Harry with lots of information on who
wrote and drew the published stories in Dutch Disney comics.

Then came Sander Gulien. This 21-years-old young man is a great
new talented artist who draws stories for 'De Geillustreerde Pers'
(Dutch Publisher). He has been making stories for six years now and only
recently his stories got remarkably well! His artwork looks just like
Jippes'. It's a treat to look at him drawing those ducks. He's so
incredibly fast! Even his Mickey's and Goofy's looked perfect! I bet
he'll draw lots of beautiful stories in the future. Heymans called him
the "new Jippes". He learnt a lot in the past six years. His ducks are
now getting more balanced and he's generating his own style. And ofcourse
... he made a nice drawing for me too! :-D

Bye!

Arthur de "Li'l bad" Wolf --- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: <(Email removed)>
homepage: http://www.pi.net/~wolfman/disney (still under construction)
"Beware of the wolf that walks like a man"
(quote from Barks' "Pawns of the Loup Garou")

BAMBI (Todd et. al.)
Sure the original books are in print!
Felix Salten (alias for Siegmund Salzmann, *1869 Budapest, +1945
Zuerich), by the way, was an Austrian journalist here in Vienna,
and had contact with all the great artists and writers, who lived here
at the turn of the century. If somebody needs to know more about him
- it's easy for me to come up with more information.
(Salten is rumored to have written the nowadays "classic"
pornographic novel "Josephine Mutzenbacher", which is very famous in
the German speaking area)

Another observation: in a humorous article I read recently, it was
stated, that in the movie Bambi endures a mutation (and I dont mean
that a lot of children think Bambi to be female):
It starts as a fawn and ends a stag - which, according to my sources means
it switsched deer races! I dont know the correct words (I looked them up
in the dictionary but couldnt decide which were right) but first it's
a baby from the small race were the males have short antlers, the
femal none, and the young are dotted - but grown up its part of the
bigger race, where females have antlers too and males have this real
big things with a dozen endings...
Somebody didnt pay attention when the made the movie - or the
decided a small fawn would be cuter and a big stag more impressive...

STEVEN
About the Vietnamese copy-comics: yep, I own a Vietnamese Lucky Luke
and wrote about that stuff in the list which leads me to the long
promised piece about...

MICKEY IN BURMA
Actually I dont know a great deal about this book as all the
writings, even numbers are in the Burmese alphabet. But I can
describe the content, which is more than curious.
It wouldn't be so strange, if not the FEEL while browsing the book is
the "right" feeling, I mean, the character look and act similar to
"normal" Disney-comics, even if the content is unthinakable:
The book is comic-book-sized, but bound like an album, it has a color
cover and roughly 50-60 b/w pages, it SEEMS to be part of an ongoing
series, judging from some details, like a double spread "foreword"
printed in blue - that features Mickey as a knight in armor, who just
has slaughtered a dragon... At the end there seems to be a kind of
letter page (with children photographs) and a "color-me" gag-picture.
But.
The cover shows Mickey, armed with two guns, parachuting into action
where Goofy in full military outfit allready fights some bad guys.
The story runs something like this: Mickey as a para-trooper is
patroling and refusing an offered cigarette when his group is attacked.
All die (a nice fox i shot clear between his eyes), M. fleees in a
boat.
Goofy on a military cruiser sees him and gives orders to sink his ship,
but rescues him from sharks (with a bazooka). M. then teams up with G.,
they both get away and run into some criminals (?) They agree to do a job
in the jungle and end up prisoners of Donald and a beatiful young woman
(sexy AND Disney-like), who are rebels of sorts. M. and G. join the
group (and fall in love with the girl). They help them with several
attacks, they rescue villagers and G. saves a child who carries a
hand-grenade. Goofy gets the girl in a long romantic scene, while
Mickey drowns his sorrow with rum. Next morning in a severe attack
the girl is wounded, but - bloody all over - rams the bad guys
kamikaze style. Goofy in his pain and anger slays the rest, then "our
heroes" decide what to do next - which leads to a cliff-hanger...

The truly strange thing is, that the character, though badly drawn,
seem to "live" - I really felt the story while "reading" - also all
the sourroundig characters look like Disney-animal-humans (dog-nose
etc.) Speech-balloons, text-pieces, sound-words, all look quite all
right, and the war-scenes are done, er, with style an excluding
unnecessary violence.
Well, Disney wont intervene, the comic stands alone as a seemingly good,
if not Disney at all, comic-story in a far away land.
It's just strange to know that someplace children grow up with Mickey
Mouse, Goofy and Donald - and they are nothing like the ones we know...

Harald

---Harald Havas (Email removed)

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