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At 19:29 27/06/96 +0100, you wrote:

>Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:04:54 +0200
>From: Marco Barlotti <(Email removed)>
>To: (Email removed)
>Subject: Brazil Disney Comics
>Message-Id: <(Email removed)>
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>ALIPIO: you write
>> I just received the following informations of ABRIL JOVEM:
>> " The story was writed...
>But: which story? Are you referring to B910348?

Marco: I think that Harry Fluks have already answer this question.
(see below).

>And you haven't answered me: what has Glittering Goldies' granddaughter to
>do with Jose' Carioca? (That character, known in Italy as Paperetta Ye'-Ye',
>was introduced by Romano Scarpa in December 1966, TL 577, and appears
>currently in many B-coded stories featuring Carioca. By the way, what's her
>name in Brazil? And why is she missing in Per's index?). Also: where do
>Jose' Carioca and his friends live? Duckburg? Brazil? Which town? And about
>characters: what's the name of the unlucky unlucky one so similar to Horace
>Horsecollar?
> Thank you,
> Marco
I could find GG's granddaugther on recents issues of Ze' Carioca. I
will do a search and as soon as I found her, I will answer your
question.(Hello, lads from Brazil, colud you help me?). I will look too for
the unlucky one similar to HH. And send a complete list of Carioca's friends.
Ze' Carioca lives in VILA XURUPITA, RIO DE JANEIRO, BRASIL. Any
person who leaves in Rio, is called *carioca*. I think Vila Xurupita is a
imaginary "Shantytown" (favela) of Rio.(BTW what is *bidonvilles*?)

>Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:04:37 +-200
>From: Harry Fluks <(Email removed)>
>Subject: Brazilian Disney Comics

>Thanks, Alipio, for all the information! Brazil is now a bit less
>a black spot in my Disney comics knowledge!
>
>Alipio said:
>> It was not a continuation of the Strobl'stories but a brazilian
>> project. The year of publication (here in Brazil) was 1992.
>
>And Marco asked:
>> But: which story?
>
>It was in fact a reply to my remark about that Brazilian story in the Dutch
>pocket book (yes, B 910348). I said:
>> Fethry asks Donald to come back to the newspaper,
>> so this is actually a follow-up to the "newspaper stories" by Strobl in
>> the 70s.
>
>What I meant was the *situation* where Scrooge runs a newspaper,
>and has Donald and Fethry as employees. This situation has its
>origin in the Strobl stories in the 70s. I think that France and Brazil
>made a lot of stories in this situation. And Donald must have left the
>newspaper shortly before the above mentioned story. Why else would
>Fethry ask Donald when he comes back?

Yes, that is the *situation*. And Donald frequently is fired by U$,
but soon comes back to work on the newspaper.

>BTW: I never knew Paperetta Ye-ye was Goldie's granddaughter!

(I will look in a few *Topolino* comics I have, who is Paperetta
Ye-ye. I have a sligh idea that I know her!)
>
>Marco also asked:
>> where do Jose' Carioca and his friends live?
>
>There are some very good Dutch stories from Joe Carioca, direct
>sequels to the newspaper strips (Straatman/Colomer Fonts). In that "world",
Joe lives in (the "bidonvilles" of) Rio de Janeiro.
>These Dutch stories are probably never published in Brazil, just like
>we have never seen a Brazilian Carioca story in Holland.
>
>--Harry.
>Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, Netherlands
>(Email removed)
>
Well, I have not received the Dc Digest V96 # 135. A racker
discovered my password and deleted it. Per, could you send me it again? Or
tell me how can I get it? Thank you. Alipio

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End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #137
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Hi everyone!

I finally got my copy of WDC&S #604 from Westfield (hey, with what they
charge for it, I need to economize when I can...), so I can finally throw my
own two cents about it in:
DONALD DUCK: William Van Horn seems to be getting more like Barks every
time, without losing his own very unique flavor. I don't know if he's
deliberately plotting like Barks now, but the story reads as if he did
exactly what the Duck Man mentioned...think of an interesting place for the
Ducks to go, come up with funny gags that could take place there, arrange
them with the best at the end, and then figure out a reason to get them
there. That cavern didn't really have that much to do with Donald's writing
career, but in the context it worked almost as well as Scrooge visiting
Atlantis to recover a coin he'd made rare by destroying all the others...
MICKEY MOUSE (1): Literally the Mouse's first appearance in print (and
once more providing the "Stories" the true title calls for), "Mouse Number
Thirteen" is a fascinating bit of history. I remember Don Rosa was singularly
underwhelmed by it, and certainly to a modern reader it seems strange (since
we all know by now it was actually Lillian Disney who named the Mouse that
Walt had wanted to call Mortimer--and where did Minnie come from, anyway?),
but in the context of the time...when Mickey *was* a mischievous prankster,
not the mature detective we know and love today...it's not at all bad,
especially for an 11-year-old. (Does anyone know if Bobette Bibo is still
alive today, and what's become of her?)
THE LI'L BAD WOLF: The intriguing thing about this story is that the two
younger pigs never appear in it...indeed, the Big Bad Wolf implies that, as
in the original folk tale, he ate them up after he blew down their houses.
(Then again, what *does* qualify as the original? The earliest version of the
story I've found seems to date to black slaves importing it from
Africa...Joel Chandler Harris had Uncle Remus tell it...and had *five* pigs.)
But, again, we all know that's not the case (indeed, it's been questioned
whether Zeke really *wants* to eat them when all is said and done), and it's
entirely in character for Zeke, especially when he can do so without overtly
lying, to give the impression his plans were more successful than they
actually were...
BANQUET BEHIND BARS: Great job in translation, Dwight, keeping Donald's
personality consistent (he's not exactly dishonest, but sometimes a bit on
the shady side). Too bad the wallet's owner didn't realize that. I rather
doubt Donald could be kept in jail for very long (since he didn't exactly
steal the wallet), but maybe that's just my legal training talking.
MICKEY MOUSE (2): There seems to be a fairy-tale theme running through
the issue, which makes this story singularly appropriate. My one complaint is
that, like most of the other Gottfredson stories of late, it's on its second
modern reprint. Aren't there still some 1940's stories that haven't been run?
(More Eega Beeva, please!)
NAMELESS (BUCKY) BUG: Another historically important story, and I
didn't realize till after the fact (though wasn't it mentioned here?) that we
never did learn who or what the mysterious stranger with the big eyes was.
Was that revealed in a future strip? Usually Floyd Gottfredson (who was
supervising, though not writing, all the strips at the time) was careful
about such things; it was he who, in his very first (partial) story, seems to
have wrapped up Walt's own plot about "The Fox." That itself was a
fascinating concept, very likely inspired by Zorro (whose name means exactly
that in Spanish!), whose stories I suspect Walt read years before he acquired
the TV rights in the '50's. (Too bad we can't have any Zorro stories from
Gladstone, but it's notable that the current holder, Topps Comics, still
draws the hero and his supporting cast to look like the Disney actors!)
UNCLE $CROOGE: Last but not least, our own Don Rosa in a truly
original story...well, original with him, since I'm one of those who still
remembers (though I'm deliberately *not* rereading until this one's
finished!) the original version with Lance Pertwillably in the late, lamented
RBCC. As always, it was freely adapted to fit the Duck cast, without just
substituting one character for another. (Otherwise Don would have had to come
up with more direct equivalents for Feather Fluff, Schuyler Roatch, and
Viktor D. Smyte. It might have been fun if Daisy Duck, Flintheart Glomgold,
and Emil Eagle had gone along, but it would have been a bit of a stretch. I'm
still waiting to see how Don wraps it up; obviously the way he ended the
original won't work in every regard...
Hope to see everyone at San Diego!

Rich Morrissey

Hi!

I just got Don latest story "The Tenth Avatar" (Thanks a lot, Trygve!).
I haven't yet read it completely, but it looks GREAT! This Rosa-story is
probably the most "Indiana Jones"-like of all. Snakes, tigers, Booby-
traps, temples, treasures, secret rooms and LOTS of action. It's all there.
The elephant is a great character and the cover looks beautifull!

Bye!

Arthur de Wolf -- Customer Support World Access Videotex NL
Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: (Email removed)
homepage: www.pi.net/~wolfman/disney (still under construction)

Don Rosa in Norway:

Don seems to be having a quite strenuous schedule while
in Norway, laid out for him by Norwegian Disney editor Svein-Erik
Soeland. He started out in Bergen where he was interviewed by TV2
(and in this country we have only two real channels, luckily)
in a somewhat bewildering "talk show" called "Ultra Violet" (?).
He did very well, according to persons I talked to. Then he went
to Oslo, to open a gallery and a separate Rosa exhibition, as
reported on below, and where he also will draw, both pictures
and attention, presumably, at Tusenfryd Amusement Park, after
which he was scheduled to visit both Trondheim and Bodoe(?).
Hard work!

About yesterday, Friday 28th: Don was the invited celebrity
opener of a "Comic Book Gallery" in a nice and centrally positioned
comic book/old book shop in Langes gate 7, owned and operated by
Jan P. Krogh, a true "Donaldist" (among 25 other guises and previous
professions, I understood -- Donald himself has a list of about
127 job experiences?). And the main theme during this first official
month in this gallery's life is a separate Don Rosa exhibition,
centred around his new "Ten avatars" story, which is out in Norway
[and where else?] this week. (And list people should start our usual
round of "literary criticism" of that story now; I shall contribute
later.) We saw the development of the story from initial idea and draft
(with may corrections) to the finished real art. -- There was a long
and well-written story about Krogh's shop and gallery in today's
"Aftenposten", by the way, also mentioning Don's visit. (And Krogh is
wonderful in his "Phatom" suit.)

There was a quite big crowd waiting for Don at 4:00 in the
afternoon, and he immediately started his admirably patient and
positive-mannered signing of comics and all other items. I left
at 4:20 (to visit a friend in hospital) and was amazed that
when I returned at 6:00 he was still at it, with the last round of
people. I was and am amazed at Don's patience, good spirits and
staying power during such events, and by the size and interestedness
of the crowd; as far as I understand this event was _not_ particularly
well advertised. I am sure many people will say "why didn't anybody
tell me!?" when they hear about this.

After all the signing and smallchatting there was a good
half hour for people to ask questions and for Don to answer & elaborate.
He does this convincingly, friendly and unassumingly, and with the
apparent experience of a TV celebrity. And after all this a few of
us went out with Don to for a nice and lengthy dinner -- hopefully
"to be paid for" by Soeland and the Norwegian Disney publishers.
Broader and more detailed aspects of work and life with the Ducks,
including the more Kafkaesque ones (aspects, not Ducks), were discussed.
This happened by the way in Don's hotel, which was surrounded
by an enormous amount of heavily armed and very alert police, which
is almost never seen in our innocent country. So either Don and/or
the Chinese president have attracted too many potential illwishers.

I think it is important to point out that in the midst of
all this Don comes across not as a "Don Rosa promoter" per se, but
rather as a genuine and humble artist and fan of the Barks and
"good Disney comics" tradition. He does these publicity rounds since
he is asked to do them, being staged for good reasons that include
business and market decisions, and since he is a nice and polite
person eager to help out. The broader aim is preservation of and
continuation of good work and good Duck and Disney stories, now and in
the future, and, as Mr. Rosa sees it, is not at all centred around Mr. Rosa!

Pointing this out, as seen from a reasonably objective
professorial bystander, appears important to me since such Rosa
events in Europe otherwise too easily and too unfairly could be
construed as "mere self-promotion" and an easy way for Rosa to make
more money, possibly at the expense of other artists and business
people -- and I understand (from other sources than Don) that there
are Forces Out There, somehow, who wish to portray Rosa in such a way.

Nils Lid Hjort

Arthur wrote:
> today the first [Dutch] album of the reprints of the Life
> of Scrooge came out

I think this is a very good album. The colours, though still from Egmont,
look much better on this paper than in the first publication in DD Extra.
They also went through the entire text and improved a lot of things!
They made all the names consistent with the Family Tree. (They even
state that a previous translation of a Barks story was in error!) Besides
that, also a lot of details in the dialogue have been improved.

I would have expected a re-inking of the cover, but the cover really is
a detail of Don's Gladstone cover. Even the D.U.C.K. is clearly visible.

This album is available in every supermarket and book shop in Holland.
I think this makes it the best available Rosa comic album to date!
(And also the least expensive!)

--Harry.